| Unit193 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ Derpy. | 00:18 |
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| SkippersBoss | ow | 00:25 |
| Unit193 | zsync buggled up earlier today, tried again now and it was still buggled. | 00:28 |
| SkippersBoss | euh empty | 00:29 |
| SkippersBoss | i can't see a current folder | 00:35 |
| === Soupermanito is now known as GridCube | ||
| bluesabre | pnarciso, knome, mr_pouit: indicator-messages looks pretty hopeless to be honest. I'm going to hack on it this week, but I don't expect to get anywhere. | 01:32 |
| micahg | bluesabre: the expectation is that we won't ship with it, anything else is a bonus :) | 01:32 |
| bluesabre | Good. I'm meeting expectations then! ;) | 01:33 |
| knome | micahg, looks like dropping gimp dropped the image size to 735 on amd, and 709 on i386 | 12:21 |
| knome | micahg, dropping gnumeric would be over 10MB (gnumeric 2.5MB + gnumeric-common 4MB + gnumeric-doc 5MB) | 12:32 |
| micahg | knome: that's it :( | 12:56 |
| micahg | well, the korean fonts are about 5MB also | 12:57 |
| knome | if we dropped those and gnumeric, that would be 15MB+ more. | 13:02 |
| knome | that would mean i386 fits on a CD already | 13:03 |
| knome | let's do that. | 13:04 |
| knome | or do you think we shouldn't? | 13:04 |
| knome | would you rather drop one more language than gnumeric? | 13:05 |
| knome | korean fonts, xhosa, one western language and try to drop rest from smaller things? | 13:08 |
| knome | (like a few games) | 13:12 |
| micahg | do we think a spreadsheet is no longer needed in a default install? | 13:17 |
| knome | i don't think it is; does windows have onw? | 13:18 |
| knome | one too | 13:18 |
| micahg | idk | 13:18 |
| knome | or is it always a test version | 13:18 |
| knome | what do you think of the last idea? | 13:18 |
| knome | 16:08 knome: korean fonts, xhosa, one western language and try to drop rest from smaller things? | 13:18 |
| knome | at least we wouldn't drop any functionality | 13:18 |
| elfy | from an outside user point of view - I'd say it would be better to lose some languages and games than 'useful' things | 13:19 |
| ablomen | knome, sort of, windows 8 offers you to install a version of microsoft works with adds if you try to open one | 13:20 |
| knome | if you are korean, korean fonts are useful :] | 13:20 |
| ablomen | *ads | 13:20 |
| knome | ablomen, aha, ok.. :P | 13:20 |
| bluesabre | Does ubiquity install your language pack if not installed when you select it? | 13:20 |
| elfy | knome: well yea ... | 13:20 |
| micahg | western language I'm ok dropping | 13:20 |
| knome | micahg, xhosa isn't a "big" language either | 13:20 |
| knome | if we think it's better to drop western languages, i'm ok with dropping two of them too, but that would leave us with english and one, and that's a bit awkward imo | 13:21 |
| * micahg wishes xubuntu had a lighter help browser | 13:23 | |
| knome | heh | 13:24 |
| knome | is there lighter ones for docbook :P | 13:24 |
| Sysi | how useful is gnumeric? | 13:28 |
| knome | very, if you need spreadsheet editing | 13:28 |
| knome | otoh, i think many that need, will want LO anyway | 13:29 |
| micahg | also, keep in mind we can install stuff not in the live env, so the question is, what needs to be in the live env | 13:29 |
| knome | micahg, well, gnumeric isn't needed in the live environment, if that gives us more space | 13:29 |
| elfy | I was not aware of that - learn something new everyday | 13:30 |
| micahg | the catch is we have to remove whatever isn't in the live env from xubuntu-desktop | 13:30 |
| knome | aha | 13:30 |
| knome | so people need to install those apps manually, if they want to use them? | 13:30 |
| micahg | oh, hrm, maybe I'm imagining things | 13:31 |
| knome | hehe | 13:32 |
| * knome pats micahg on the head | 13:32 | |
| knome | micahg, btw, will you be at UDS? | 13:32 |
| micahg | yes | 13:33 |
| knome | awesome! :) | 13:33 |
| * micahg thinks xchat should go | 13:33 | |
| knome | how much? | 13:33 |
| knome | is the fish.. | 13:33 |
| micahg | ~2.5MB | 13:34 |
| knome | have we agreed on some stuff already | 13:34 |
| knome | one western language goes? | 13:34 |
| knome | which one is the least spoken? | 13:34 |
| ochosi | hm, isn't xchat useful for ppl who want support from the live-system? | 13:35 |
| knome | ochosi, no, they can use webirc | 13:35 |
| ochosi | iirc the link in ubiquity opens xchat with the #xubuntu chan | 13:35 |
| knome | ochosi, no, it's webirc | 13:35 |
| micahg | pidgin has irc support | 13:35 |
| smartboyhw | ochosi: We use webchat.freenode.net then | 13:35 |
| ochosi | ok ok, then do away with it already :) | 13:35 |
| elfy | I tend to fire up pidgin in the live env | 13:35 |
| knome | ochosi, ;] | 13:35 |
| knome | i can live without xchat. | 13:36 |
| * elfy makes notes of what he needs to install post install :p | 13:36 | |
| bluesabre | I used xchat, then I found that pidgin does IRC better | 13:36 |
| * smartboyhw can't live without xchat: No cloak on webchat | 13:36 | |
| Sysi | statistically twitter client should be more used than irc one.. and there's pidgin anyway | 13:37 |
| micahg | hrm, do we need usb-creator-gtk?, it's pulling in udisks | 13:37 |
| Sysi | thunar or some part of xfce isn't using udisks? | 13:38 |
| micahg | udsisk2 | 13:38 |
| micahg | *udisks2 | 13:38 |
| knome | how many people are creating an usb disk from the live cd? | 13:39 |
| * micahg would think not many | 13:40 | |
| knome | me too | 13:40 |
| * elfy wouldn't either | 13:40 | |
| knome | how much? | 13:40 |
| * smartboyhw uses Unetbootin to load the ISO into the USB | 13:41 | |
| elfy | from a livecd? | 13:41 |
| smartboyhw | No, from an ISO, but then if I do that I will just copy the contents lol | 13:41 |
| micahg | knome: I think at least 1MB | 13:41 |
| knome | micahg, well...:) | 13:41 |
| bluesabre | I've done it once, but only because usb-creator-gtk is currently broken in Q | 13:42 |
| ochosi | maybe i missed an important point, but why are we so very much oversized anyway? | 13:42 |
| micahg | python2/3, gtk2/3 | 13:42 |
| ochosi | why do we need python2? | 13:42 |
| ochosi | pidgin? | 13:42 |
| ochosi | or something else? | 13:43 |
| micahg | most of the archive still needs it :) | 13:43 |
| bluesabre | I can upgrade catfish whenever needed | 13:43 |
| micahg | blueman, gdb | 13:43 |
| ochosi | meh | 13:44 |
| ochosi | so what needs python3 then? | 13:44 |
| knome | lol | 13:44 |
| micahg | apport and some other core infrastructure | 13:44 |
| bluesabre | probably usc | 13:44 |
| ochosi | oh man | 13:44 |
| ochosi | we're lucky this isn't the LTS | 13:45 |
| micahg | knome: ok, how about dropping usb-creator-gtk, gnumeric, and making the 2 western languages and the korean fonts i386 only? | 13:49 |
| knome | micahg, are you sure we'll fit, or is that an estimate? | 13:49 |
| micahg | that's an estimate | 13:49 |
| knome | gnumeric will definitely get us below 700 in i386 | 13:50 |
| micahg | you want usb creator i386 only as well? | 13:50 |
| knome | i suppose we can drop it completely | 13:51 |
| knome | let's have some playing space | 13:51 |
| knome | but i'd still make 1 western lanugage and xhosa i386 only | 13:51 |
| micahg | ok | 13:51 |
| knome | and for that, you'll have my ack :) | 13:52 |
| micahg | which one, fr, es, pt? | 13:53 |
| * knome refers to wikipedia | 13:53 | |
| knome | pt 208 million native | 13:53 |
| knome | fr 115 million | 13:54 |
| knome | sp 400 million | 13:54 |
| knome | fr it is then | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | Bye france:) | 13:54 |
| micahg | hrm, fonts-nanum would be funny as it's in -desktop, so amd64 would install a different set of pacakges than i386 | 13:54 |
| knome | heh | 13:55 |
| knome | is that the korean fonts package, or just one of them? | 13:55 |
| micahg | that's the korean fonts package | 13:55 |
| knome | what if we just drop them altogether then? | 13:55 |
| micahg | we could, idk what impact that would have on those users though | 13:56 |
| knome | they would need to simply install that package? | 13:57 |
| knome | :) | 13:57 |
| micahg | well, maybe let's see where we're at tomorrow with these changes? | 14:00 |
| micahg | before dropping the korean fonts | 14:00 |
| knome | can you list one more time what the current proposal is? | 14:00 |
| micahg | 2 languages i386 only, drop gnumeric (until space appears), drop usb-creator-gtk (permanent) | 14:01 |
| knome | and languages are xh and fr | 14:01 |
| micahg | yes | 14:01 |
| knome | ok, let's do that | 14:01 |
| micahg | ok, uploading new meta | 14:02 |
| knome | thanks again | 14:02 |
| knome | should we ask for a respin+ | 14:02 |
| knome | +=? | 14:02 |
| micahg | oh, let me add back the indicator stuff that's already in th archive | 14:03 |
| knome | sure | 14:03 |
| elfy | quick put everything back | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | !? | 14:15 |
| bluesabre | lol elfy | 14:19 |
| elfy | :) | 14:20 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 14:20 |
| ochosi | maybe we should consider pragha as music player for xubuntu since it already uses greybird for the screenshots :p | 16:13 |
| ochosi | http://pragha.wikispaces.com/Screenshots | 16:14 |
| Sysi | (that player is *awful* in my opinion) | 16:14 |
| ochosi | heh | 16:14 |
| knome | hah, where's greybird? :P | 16:15 |
| ochosi | i assume you didn't like exaile much either, hm? | 16:15 |
| knome | right, gtk3 | 16:15 |
| ochosi | knome: http://pragha.wikispaces.com/file/view/pragha-greybird.png/359212265/800x483/pragha-greybird.png | 16:15 |
| Sysi | I hardly remember exaile | 16:23 |
| micahg | knome: did we want to drop xchat also? | 16:25 |
| knome | i lost my backlog | 16:27 |
| knome | but let's see what we get with the other changes first | 16:27 |
| pnarciso | I see that i386 iso is much smaller now | 16:39 |
| pnarciso | 709mb | 16:40 |
| pnarciso | x64 is 735mb | 16:41 |
| knome | yes | 16:49 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| bluesabre | mr_pouit, micahg: For the debian control file, if there are no Recommenends, do you remove that line, or leave it blank after the ":"? | 18:21 |
| bluesabre | *Recommends | 18:21 |
| micahg | bluesabre: remove | 18:24 |
| bluesabre | thanks micahg | 18:24 |
| micahg | sure | 18:24 |
| micahg | knome: don't forget that the documentation needs to be updated for all the default changes we've made | 18:26 |
| knome | micahg, i won't | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | yay, someone replied on -doc! | 23:41 |
| pleia2 | rocket2dmn is great, we used to both be in the pennsylvania loco, I didn't know he was still around doing doc stuff | 23:42 |
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