[00:18] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ Derpy. [00:25] ow [00:28] zsync buggled up earlier today, tried again now and it was still buggled. [00:29] euh empty [00:35] i can't see a current folder === Soupermanito is now known as GridCube [01:32] pnarciso, knome, mr_pouit: indicator-messages looks pretty hopeless to be honest. I'm going to hack on it this week, but I don't expect to get anywhere. [01:32] bluesabre: the expectation is that we won't ship with it, anything else is a bonus :) [01:33] Good. I'm meeting expectations then! ;) [12:21] micahg, looks like dropping gimp dropped the image size to 735 on amd, and 709 on i386 [12:32] micahg, dropping gnumeric would be over 10MB (gnumeric 2.5MB + gnumeric-common 4MB + gnumeric-doc 5MB) [12:56] knome: that's it :( [12:57] well, the korean fonts are about 5MB also [13:02] if we dropped those and gnumeric, that would be 15MB+ more. [13:03] that would mean i386 fits on a CD already [13:04] let's do that. [13:04] or do you think we shouldn't? [13:05] would you rather drop one more language than gnumeric? [13:08] korean fonts, xhosa, one western language and try to drop rest from smaller things? [13:12] (like a few games) [13:17] do we think a spreadsheet is no longer needed in a default install? [13:18] i don't think it is; does windows have onw? [13:18] one too [13:18] idk [13:18] or is it always a test version [13:18] what do you think of the last idea? [13:18] 16:08 knome: korean fonts, xhosa, one western language and try to drop rest from smaller things? [13:18] at least we wouldn't drop any functionality [13:19] from an outside user point of view - I'd say it would be better to lose some languages and games than 'useful' things [13:20] knome, sort of, windows 8 offers you to install a version of microsoft works with adds if you try to open one [13:20] if you are korean, korean fonts are useful :] [13:20] *ads [13:20] ablomen, aha, ok.. :P [13:20] Does ubiquity install your language pack if not installed when you select it? [13:20] knome: well yea ... [13:20] western language I'm ok dropping [13:20] micahg, xhosa isn't a "big" language either [13:21] if we think it's better to drop western languages, i'm ok with dropping two of them too, but that would leave us with english and one, and that's a bit awkward imo [13:23] * micahg wishes xubuntu had a lighter help browser [13:24] heh [13:24] is there lighter ones for docbook :P [13:28] how useful is gnumeric? [13:28] very, if you need spreadsheet editing [13:29] otoh, i think many that need, will want LO anyway [13:29] also, keep in mind we can install stuff not in the live env, so the question is, what needs to be in the live env [13:29] micahg, well, gnumeric isn't needed in the live environment, if that gives us more space [13:30] I was not aware of that - learn something new everyday [13:30] the catch is we have to remove whatever isn't in the live env from xubuntu-desktop [13:30] aha [13:30] so people need to install those apps manually, if they want to use them? [13:31] oh, hrm, maybe I'm imagining things [13:32] hehe [13:32] * knome pats micahg on the head [13:32] micahg, btw, will you be at UDS? [13:33] yes [13:33] awesome! :) [13:33] * micahg thinks xchat should go [13:33] how much? [13:33] is the fish.. [13:34] ~2.5MB [13:34] have we agreed on some stuff already [13:34] one western language goes? [13:34] which one is the least spoken? [13:35] hm, isn't xchat useful for ppl who want support from the live-system? [13:35] ochosi, no, they can use webirc [13:35] iirc the link in ubiquity opens xchat with the #xubuntu chan [13:35] ochosi, no, it's webirc [13:35] pidgin has irc support [13:35] ochosi: We use webchat.freenode.net then [13:35] ok ok, then do away with it already :) [13:35] I tend to fire up pidgin in the live env [13:35] ochosi, ;] [13:36] i can live without xchat. [13:36] * elfy makes notes of what he needs to install post install :p [13:36] I used xchat, then I found that pidgin does IRC better [13:36] * smartboyhw can't live without xchat: No cloak on webchat [13:37] statistically twitter client should be more used than irc one.. and there's pidgin anyway [13:37] hrm, do we need usb-creator-gtk?, it's pulling in udisks [13:38] thunar or some part of xfce isn't using udisks? [13:38] udsisk2 [13:38] *udisks2 [13:39] how many people are creating an usb disk from the live cd? [13:40] * micahg would think not many [13:40] me too [13:40] * elfy wouldn't either [13:40] how much? [13:41] * smartboyhw uses Unetbootin to load the ISO into the USB [13:41] from a livecd? [13:41] No, from an ISO, but then if I do that I will just copy the contents lol [13:41] knome: I think at least 1MB [13:41] micahg, well...:) [13:42] I've done it once, but only because usb-creator-gtk is currently broken in Q [13:42] maybe i missed an important point, but why are we so very much oversized anyway? [13:42] python2/3, gtk2/3 [13:42] why do we need python2? [13:42] pidgin? [13:43] or something else? [13:43] most of the archive still needs it :) [13:43] I can upgrade catfish whenever needed [13:43] blueman, gdb [13:44] meh [13:44] so what needs python3 then? [13:44] lol [13:44] apport and some other core infrastructure [13:44] probably usc [13:44] oh man [13:45] we're lucky this isn't the LTS [13:49] knome: ok, how about dropping usb-creator-gtk, gnumeric, and making the 2 western languages and the korean fonts i386 only? [13:49] micahg, are you sure we'll fit, or is that an estimate? [13:49] that's an estimate [13:50] gnumeric will definitely get us below 700 in i386 [13:50] you want usb creator i386 only as well? [13:51] i suppose we can drop it completely [13:51] let's have some playing space [13:51] but i'd still make 1 western lanugage and xhosa i386 only [13:51] ok [13:52] and for that, you'll have my ack :) [13:53] which one, fr, es, pt? [13:53] * knome refers to wikipedia [13:53] pt 208 million native [13:54] fr 115 million [13:54] sp 400 million [13:54] fr it is then [13:54] Bye france:) [13:54] hrm, fonts-nanum would be funny as it's in -desktop, so amd64 would install a different set of pacakges than i386 [13:55] heh [13:55] is that the korean fonts package, or just one of them? [13:55] that's the korean fonts package [13:55] what if we just drop them altogether then? [13:56] we could, idk what impact that would have on those users though [13:57] they would need to simply install that package? [13:57] :) [14:00] well, maybe let's see where we're at tomorrow with these changes? [14:00] before dropping the korean fonts [14:00] can you list one more time what the current proposal is? [14:01] 2 languages i386 only, drop gnumeric (until space appears), drop usb-creator-gtk (permanent) [14:01] and languages are xh and fr [14:01] yes [14:01] ok, let's do that [14:02] ok, uploading new meta [14:02] thanks again [14:02] should we ask for a respin+ [14:02] +=? [14:03] oh, let me add back the indicator stuff that's already in th archive [14:03] sure [14:14] quick put everything back [14:15] !? [14:19] lol elfy [14:20] :) [14:20] lol [16:13] maybe we should consider pragha as music player for xubuntu since it already uses greybird for the screenshots :p [16:14] http://pragha.wikispaces.com/Screenshots [16:14] (that player is *awful* in my opinion) [16:14] heh [16:15] hah, where's greybird? :P [16:15] i assume you didn't like exaile much either, hm? [16:15] right, gtk3 [16:15] knome: http://pragha.wikispaces.com/file/view/pragha-greybird.png/359212265/800x483/pragha-greybird.png [16:23] I hardly remember exaile [16:25] knome: did we want to drop xchat also? [16:27] i lost my backlog [16:27] but let's see what we get with the other changes first [16:39] I see that i386 iso is much smaller now [16:40] 709mb [16:41] x64 is 735mb [16:49] yes === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:21] mr_pouit, micahg: For the debian control file, if there are no Recommenends, do you remove that line, or leave it blank after the ":"? [18:21] *Recommends [18:24] bluesabre: remove [18:24] thanks micahg [18:24] sure [18:26] knome: don't forget that the documentation needs to be updated for all the default changes we've made [19:02] micahg, i won't [23:41] yay, someone replied on -doc! [23:42] rocket2dmn is great, we used to both be in the pennsylvania loco, I didn't know he was still around doing doc stuff