=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [05:29] this channel has seriously been quiet for almost 10 hours now? or did you all kick me or something [05:35] * micahg waves to nixternal === fuchs is now known as Guest22658 [08:24] so no way to upgrade kde-full with kdeplasma-addons [08:24] why would that have an influence on meta-packages? [08:24] Mamarok: what's the issue? [08:25] oh, still some missing packages in 4.9.1 apparently [08:25] kdeplasma-addons : Depends: plasma-widgets-addons (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [08:25] Depends: plasma-runners-addons (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [08:25] Depends: plasma-widget-lancelot (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [08:25] Depends: plasma-wallpapers-addons (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [08:25] Depends: plasma-containments-addons (>= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [08:26] aye, haven't been built/published/sync'd to your mirror yet I presume [08:26] I use the main server [08:26] then most likely the former 2 [08:27] hm, so building/publishing 4.9.1 takes over 24 hours [08:28] plasma-widgets-addons | 4:4.9.0-0ubuntu2 | quantal/universe | amd64, armel, armhf, powerpc [08:28] plasma-widgets-addons | 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1 | quantal/universe | i386 [08:28] ^ I guess you have amd64 :) [08:29] oh my [08:29] amd64 failed [08:29] trololol : libmarble-dev : Depends: libmarblewidget14 (= 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installe [08:30] I wonder why 64bit stills looks like a stepchild, while most people nowadays have 64bit systems [08:31] most likely because amd64 queues were longer [08:31] no, you don't get it: apparently i386 is default and everything else seems secondary [08:32] when 64bit should be default by now [08:33] I don't know if the CDs shipped to local teams are now 64bit, but back when I was head of the Swiss Team we mostly got i386 [08:33] which was in no relation to what people demanded [08:33] ah that way [08:33] yes [08:33] I agree :) [08:34] which is stupid [08:34] Mamarok: amd64 build ongoing for kdeplasma-addons [08:34] should be done soonish [08:34] OK [08:34] one always works, while the other doesn't on some systems [08:35] well ... I'm aware of only a couple of devices which can't handle x86_64 [08:35] xnox: that is just not true [08:35] that was so 5 years ago, but not now anymore [08:36] there are still 32 bit machines being sold. [08:37] xnox: sure, but how many of them do support the 64 bit instruction set? Don't most Intel CPU's support the 64 bit instruction set? [08:37] ( not sure about AMD ) [08:38] xnox: just because there are some still sold means that it should still considered to be default [08:38] I haven't had a 32bit system in over 5 years [08:39] there are still people that like i386 with PAE as it uses a bit less memory [08:40] yofel: how does one use kbatch? [08:41] dunno, what's that? [08:41] I installed kubuntu on a friends machine this weekend, tried 64 bit first and was surprised to find the machine didn't support it [08:41] apachelogger mentioned it ... not sure how to use it ... might have to read the code [08:41] yofel: lp:~apachelogger/kubuntu-dev-tools/kbatch [08:42] * yofel has i386 running on his work notebook - but wubi's to blame for that [08:42] tehehe, backportpackage downloading o-i at 110 Mbps [08:44] *yawn* [08:44] be happy instead of bored! :P [08:44] yofel: it's just these visa forms are so boring to fill :P [08:45] oh, ok [09:11] I'll upload kde-l10n 4.9.1 [09:13] shadeslayer: lol, the first thing one ought to do is look at the code [09:13] :) [09:13] apachelogger: I used backportpackage instead, worked like a charm, no idea if it'll build though :P [09:14] * shadeslayer will throw it up in ninjas and fix up as problems come up [09:15] yeah [09:15] I am pretty sure I talked about kbatch WRT packages not uploaded [09:16] yofel uploaded all of them, so doesn't matter now ;) [09:23] 4.9.1 uploading for precise into ninjas [09:27] so. much. lp. mail [09:28] at least you don't get translation import mails anymore ;) [09:28] aye [10:22] great, ants on my keyboard [10:27] http://alan927.jalbum.net/Skins/ExhibitPlus/Folder/slides/Ants%20with%20an%20Appetite.jpg === TheDrums is now known as Guest38162 [11:30] how odd [11:31] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/3779072 < doesn't show any logs [11:31] I'm not sure if it's even building [11:31] hm ... seems it is [11:31] https://launchpad.net/builders/charichuelo [12:55] Heyas all [13:13] ji2u [13:15] It looks as if KDE 4.9.1 is almost ready. Want me to draft an announcement for the kubuntu/news site, but not check the publish box? [13:30] mparillo: go for it [13:31] but that's KDE SC 4.9.1, now you're into marketing you need to use the correct terms :) [13:31] (and KDE SC shouldn't be used on much user facing stuff, it's ugly) [13:34] Will do. I think it is proper to use the 'official' terminology whenever possible, even if it is a mouthful. [13:35] BTW, I think https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/ may have an expired certificate. [13:35] wasn't it officially named 'KDE Workspaces, Applications, whatever else 4.9.1' now? [13:39] yofel_: My sugested compromise is to use KDE SC 4.9.1 in the link but KDE Plasma Workspaces, Applications and Platform 4.9.1 in the title. It should be in the draft I will post, but not publish, shortly. [13:39] yeah, that sounds about right [13:40] Done: News KDE Plasma Workspaces, Applications and Platform 4.9.1 has been created. === skaet_ is now known as skaet [14:16] the upgrade to 4.9.1 seems to gone well , so far [14:16] to have [16:13] Riddell++ [16:13] * xnox achievement unlocked - "Great commit!" [16:15] o_O [16:41] think he's referring to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/5654 [16:44] LUKS support \o/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:03] I still need to get a FFe on that ubiquity change [19:03] and testers needed [19:03] but maybe we can drop the alternate now [19:05] wasn't keeping the alternate mostly about offline-upgrades? [19:24] yofel: I've mostly heard it being about partitioning options [19:25] that too, but I vaguely remember rbelem saying something about that during the UDS discussion [19:26] you know there's a whole thread about dropping alternate cd [19:26] kuforums? [19:26] *cd's on ubuntu devel [19:26] oh [19:27] * yofel realizes he hasn't read ubuntu-devel the last 3 weeks [19:27] shadeslayer, I sure hope not , the alternate install has always been a saviour for mu y older pcs [19:28] I think that's pretty much concluded, they dropped alternates for beta [19:29] I didn't follow it all the way through, that thread is gianormus ....47 emails [19:29] * yofel just wanted to ask for a tl;dr version... [19:30] hah :P [19:30] Riddell, bummer:( [19:30] BluesKaj: why? [19:31] it's still a bit more reliable on some hardware as it doesn't require KMS (and not all people know what nomodeset means) [19:31] yofel: try reading the one about the app developer upload process [19:31] shadeslayer: weekend - maybe [19:31] the alternate install was reliable when the regular livecd wouldn't install [19:31] yofel: FWIW nomodeset will now screw with drivers [19:32] as in...? [19:32] ( from what I have been told ) [19:32] I don't mind as long as it works [19:33] yofel: apparently drivers are expected to be used only with modesetting [19:33] without it, undefined behavior [19:33] and the problem with that is? [19:34] passing nomodeset as an argument will lead to X being all weird [19:35] or video drivers working improperly [19:35] as long as "X being all weird" means "fall back to VESA" I'm fine with that [19:36] There was some user-focused discussion on the Proposal to drop Ubuntu alternate CDs for 12.10 at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2049021 [19:36] dunno about it falling back to VESA since I have to manually specify fbdev in xorg.conf [19:44] darkwing, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, jussi01-nom, ScottK: nudge, meeting vote please, not much of a meeting without a council http://www.doodle.com/ep9bqbapvfh4r9aw [19:48] Riddell: done [20:35] oh, kdegames moved to git - yet another tar count explosion [21:36] Riddell: Done (and done correctly if the poll is in UTC). [22:21] weird backtrace du jour: http://paste.kde.org/547340/ [22:22] that function only returns a QString. must be threading issues *sigh*