[00:05] <silverarrow> bkm, I haven`t tried chromium
[00:06] <silverarrow> I`m on the ppc iso where Firefox is default browser
[00:06] <bkm> interesting!
[00:07] <silverarrow> bkm, does the flash bundle alternative work fine with chromium
[00:07] <bkm> no
[00:07] <bkm> not for me
[00:07] <silverarrow> pepper api or something like that
[00:07] <silverarrow> I hope they keep working on that
[00:07] <silverarrow> it is too new to run smooth on all setups I suppose
[00:08] <bkm> haven't figured out how to make it work, so i'm not one to ask. everything seems to blow up (or consume all of the limited resources) as far as i can tell
[00:09] <silverarrow> I keep getting conflicting info about the papi, they have already abandoned it, or they are still working on it
[00:09] <silverarrow> bkm, what kind of computer do you have?
[00:10] <bkm> 900 mhz; 512 ram pc
[00:10] <silverarrow> which is not too bad
[00:11] <silverarrow> however flash is the most difficult thing on low specs
[00:11] <bkm> seems to be
[00:11] <silverarrow> trick is to find workarounds
[00:11] <silverarrow> and run one application at a time when streaming any video
[00:12] <silverarrow> have you found anything that works?
[00:12] <bkm> i followed a hack of placing the adobe version in place of the whatever version, and that hack worked for a long time
[00:13] <bkm> now it does not seem to. something has changed
[00:13] <silverarrow> if it streamed smoothly it should though
[00:14] <silverarrow> adobe hardly streams smooth with less than 1.5GHz
[00:14] <silverarrow> it does depend a bit upon the cpu though
[00:14] <bkm> a weird problem is that worldcat.org tries to tell me what libraries hold a certain book, but with chromium, the libraries never show up. i'm not sure why
[00:15] <bkm> later chrome versions work as does firefox
[00:15] <bkm> i'm not sure what is happening on that website
[00:17] <silverarrow> anything I can test+
[00:18] <silverarrow> ?
[00:18] <silverarrow> I`m not registered thre
[02:08] <silverarrow> hi
[02:08] <silverarrow> I am troubleshooting totem and mplayer plugins
[03:03] <kanliot> sup
[03:17] <Orrin_Fox> hey there
[03:17] <tony_> hello
[03:19] <bioterror> morning
[03:20] <Orrin_Fox> I was wondering if i could have some advice on how well lubuntu would work on my desktop, I love ubuntu but.. well it doesnt work well on my desktop
[03:21] <tony_> what's wrong with ubuntu?
[03:22] <Orrin_Fox> Ubuntu standard appears to lag upon entering the desktop (KDE)
[03:22] <Orrin_Fox> I tried Gnome, almost similar
[03:23] <Orrin_Fox> I happened to hear around the corner that lubuntu could handle the lighter-capable computers
[03:24] <tony_> lubuntu is a lot faster
[03:25] <Orrin_Fox> how well would you say it could respond on 256MB ram?
[03:26] <kanliot> nearly as well as windows xp
[03:26] <tony_>  the minimum RAM to install Lubuntu is 256 MB
[03:26] <kanliot> which is good
[03:26] <Orrin_Fox> cool
[03:26] <Orrin_Fox> yeah windows XP was on this previously
[03:26] <kanliot> just don't open 5 tabs in chromium
[03:26] <kanliot> it will be slow
[03:26] <Orrin_Fox> lol yeah
[03:26] <kanliot> try firefox or xxxterm
[03:27] <kanliot> if you get it intstalled
[03:27] <kanliot> please post your results
[03:27] <kanliot> we like to hear positive stuff
[03:27] <Orrin_Fox> oh yeah, so far ubuntu hasnt really given me any problems
[03:28] <kanliot> i'm testing 12.10
[03:28] <kanliot> not there yet :)
[03:29] <Orrin_Fox> ah thats cool
[03:29] <kanliot> actually
[03:29] <kanliot> if you are lazy
[03:29] <kanliot> you can just install lubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu
[03:29] <kanliot> and i think you are
[03:30] <Orrin_Fox> well, i would overall just get an iso and throw it on the drive
[03:31] <kanliot> you wouldn't even have to reboot
[03:31] <tony_> it would be a lot faster to do it like he said
[03:31] <kanliot> to use lubuntu
[03:31] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[03:31] <Orrin_Fox> but, if ubuntu wont even fully start up.. i would be able to work lubuntu onto it?
[03:32] <kanliot> uh
[03:32] <kanliot> please be specific about yer problem
[03:32] <kanliot> i can't guess
[03:32] <tony_> once you get to the logon screen you can choose lubuntu
[03:33] <Orrin_Fox> well, if i can install it without needing to go into the desktop then i suppose it could work
[03:33] <Orrin_Fox> i can start a terminal session
[03:33] <kanliot> why can't you get into ubuntu?
[03:33] <kanliot> it should work
[03:33] <tony_> so you are on another computer?
[03:33] <kanliot> really
[03:33] <kanliot> just horribly slow...
[03:33] <Orrin_Fox> yeah im on another computer
[03:34] <kanliot> well anyhow
[03:34] <kanliot> try it out
[03:34] <kanliot> should take about 100MB of downloads or so
[03:34] <kanliot> mebbe more
[03:34] <Orrin_Fox> I happen to have an iso on me actually
[03:34] <tony_> when the logon screen comes up, press Ctrl + Alt + F2 and login and type sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <Orrin_Fox> alright, yeah i can do it from the terminal
[03:35] <tony_> Lubuntu should work for you
[03:35] <Orrin_Fox> alright, i was just wanting some second opinions on how well it would work.
[03:36] <kanliot> xxxterm
[03:36] <kanliot> actually if you really need performance
[03:36] <kanliot> it would be better to install from scratch
[03:36] <kanliot> but i donno why ubuuntu isn't working now
[03:37] <kanliot> it should start up
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> that was what i was thinking.. actually
[03:37] <kanliot> for example
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> its seeming as if theres not enough ram to load it
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> i mean it shows up
[03:37] <kanliot> you get the unity bar?
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> but, the side bar wont come up or anything
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> no
[03:37] <kanliot> it just doesn't respond
[03:37] <kanliot> hm
[03:37] <kanliot> it should if you let it sit for 2 minutes
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> seems *maybe* to be a ram issue
[03:38] <kanliot> but i can only guess
[03:38] <Orrin_Fox> yeah this sat for.. 10 some odd minutes
[03:38] <kanliot> how much swap space?
[03:38] <Orrin_Fox> oh im not sure i wasnt able to get into the terminal, it locked up
[03:38] <tony_> once you get lubuntu-desktop working, you might wanna disable some unnecessary daemons that are using RAM
[03:38] <Orrin_Fox> yeah
[03:39] <kanliot> did you ctrl+alt+f2?
[03:39] <Orrin_Fox> yeah
[03:39] <kanliot> are you running livecd?
[03:39] <kanliot> or idd you already install?
[03:39] <Orrin_Fox> no i installed it
[03:39] <tony_> ok ctrl alt f7
[03:39] <Orrin_Fox> well, i dont have that option right now. as its not running
[03:40] <tony_> ok. sudo reboot -h now
[03:40] <Orrin_Fox> mhm
[03:42] <tony_> how much hdd space on that?
[03:42] <kanliot> anyhow Orrin_Fox you can install lubuntu, especially with the alternate installer
[03:42] <kanliot> it installs and runs great on 128mb
[03:42] <Orrin_Fox> yeah, i downloaded the mini installer
[03:43] <Orrin_Fox> And i have two HDs so, space isnt too much an issue
[03:43] <holstein> the alternate text based installer.. im not sure how "mini" it is
[03:43] <Orrin_Fox> yeah, true, ill just have to see how it goes
[03:44] <kanliot> mini installer isn't for new usersd
[03:44] <kanliot> alternate installer is
[03:44] <kanliot> if it takes you an hour to get the 12.04 alt installer, it's time well spent
[03:45] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[03:46] <kanliot> ^instructions
[03:46] <Orrin_Fox> im there
[03:46] <kanliot> am i wrong guys?  I don't remember the mini iso being easy to use
[03:47] <Unit193> It isn't hard.
[03:48] <kanliot> ok maybe i'm off base
[03:48] <holstein> you'll need to download the desktop at some point though
[03:48] <Unit193> Yeah, I wouldn't say you download less, just at a different time.
[03:48] <Unit193> (Though, you wouldn't have a ton of updates later to do as well)
[18:16] <toscho> hello
[18:16] <toscho> my autostart entrys don't always work
[18:17] <holstein> toscho: in what case are the working and when are they failing
[18:17] <toscho> can someon help me fix them
[18:18] <toscho> I have added two lines to ~/.config/lxsession/autostart
[18:18] <toscho> if i start the laptop from cold they are most often ignored
[18:18] <toscho> if i kill x via ctrl-del-backspace, they work
[18:19] <holstein> toscho: what are "they".. maybe you just need to add a little delay in
[18:19] <toscho> @xmodmap -e "keycode 166=Home"
[18:19] <toscho> @xmodmap -e "keycode 167=End"
[18:27] <holstein> toscho: i would try a delay
[18:28] <toscho> how to?
[18:29] <holstein> i would read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1152099
[18:29] <holstein> seems like adding the sleep command should add delay
[18:31] <toscho> thx, i will try
[18:52] <toscho> thx holstein, it worked
[19:07] <holstein> toscho: COOL! enjoy :)
[23:23] <battlehands> can someone point me towards a latex friendly lubuntu editor
[23:30] <wxl> battlehands: yes! vi ;)
[23:31] <wxl> gvim if you need a gui
[23:31] <battlehands> Im already in the process of installing texmaker or something like that
[23:31] <wxl> there's latex-suite
[23:31] <battlehands> hoepfully this one has some preset templates that I can use.
[23:31] <wxl> ↑ for vi/vim/gvim
[23:32] <wxl> if you're not already used to (g)vi(m) tho prolly not best
[23:32] <wxl> there's also lyx and texmacs
[23:32] <wxl> haven't used any but vi
[23:32] <wxl> also ppl use emacs too
[23:34] <wxl> there's gedit but technically that will pull in some other gnome crap
[23:35] <wxl> lyx and texmacs are wysiwig which is not how i usually do latex. not how a lot of ppl do.