Mirvthumper: the .pc now in python-compizconfig will be removed from compiz-dev, so that'll get fixed as soon as we disturb someone with push rights to lp:ubuntu/compiz04:06
Mirvideally though will be ready today as well04:06
thumperMirv: ok, but right now I can't do anything with my test laptop :(04:06
thumperMirv: +1 for
Mirvthumper: depending on what you need, well most probably you compile unity of course, you could remove compiz-dev package temporarily04:08
thumperMirv: my laptop is running as pure quantal as it can right now04:11
thumperdon't think it has a currently built unity04:11
Mirvthumper: hmm, you mean you're not running staging PPA? there hasn't been an upload of compiz with the problematic python-compizconfig change04:23
thumperMirv: oh perhaps it is the staging ppa04:59
thumperah yes it is04:59
didrocksgood morning05:43
RAOFdidrocks: Good morning.05:45
didrockshey RAOF :)05:48
didrockshow are you?05:48
RAOFSomewhat inexplicably tired.05:48
RAOFAlso somewhat explicably tired :)05:48
RAOFAlso, I think we've got a candidate problem for all the crashes in libdbus: threading.05:49
didrocksoh? excellent!05:51
didrocksI'm good, thanks :)05:52
didrocksRAOF: hey, in all your tireness, do you think you can spend few minutes to update your WI and so spec status?06:23
didrockslike https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-xorg-general, can we set it to "beta available"?06:23
didrockspitti: the signon-ui issue should be fix with today's update btw06:59
pitti didrocks: nice!06:59
pittiyay quantal06:59
RAOFdidrocks: So I won't get kicked out of google services every 12 hours or so? :)07:04
didrocksRAOF: normally, you shouldn't :)07:05
didrockshey chrisccoulson, how are you?07:37
chrisccoulsonhi didrocks, i'm good thanks. how are you?08:13
didrockschrisccoulson: I'm fine! how was the mozilla week-end?08:13
pittimvo: guten Morgen08:13
chrisccoulsondidrocks, yeah, it was good thanks. but quite tiring :)08:13
pittimvo: software-center tests currently fail, as they output to stderr08:13
didrockschrisccoulson: heh, I can imagine :)08:14
pittimvo: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-software-center/lastFailedBuild/ARCH=i386,label=albali/artifact/results/dsc0t-run-tests-stderr08:14
pittimvo: could the test script either drop the set -x or do an exec 2>&1 before?08:14
pittimvo: I guess it also needs to unset TMPDIR, as it cannot change user and then copy to the adt temp dir08:15
pittijibel: ^ FYI08:15
chrisccoulsondidrocks, there was quite a few people from the french mozilla community there ;)08:20
mvopitti: sure, doing that now - just to be clear my hack^Wworkaround for running as root is no longer needed?08:21
didrockskinouchou was around, I guess I know at least 4 other people coming as well :)08:21
pittimvo: not sure -- what was the workaround about?08:21
pittimvo: I just unset TMPDIR in tests that involve multiple users, FWIW08:22
mvopitti: su -lc ubuntu basic08:22
pittimvo: hm, depends -- I guess you would want the tests to run as non-root?08:22
mvopitti: yes08:22
pittiotherwise you might have polkit permissions that normal users don't actually have08:23
pittimvo: so I'd say keep the su for now08:23
pittiand do exec 2>&1 and "unset TMPDIR"08:23
mvopitti: ok, I dropped the -x and unset TMPDIR now08:23
pittimvo: danke!08:23
mvopitti: thank you! I will upload soon(ish)08:24
chrisccoulsondidrocks, kinouchou is the person i've met at UDS too, isn't she? sorry, i'm terrible with names ;)08:27
didrockschrisccoulson: right :)08:29
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didrocksRAOF: yeah, you are looking at the colord recent bugs btw? (I saw you have some assigned targeted for the release)09:20
didrockschrisccoulson: btw, you have some on that list assigned to you as well, is it going to work for you? ^09:21
didrockschrisccoulson: also, do you think you will have the time to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1014635? or should I put that on the not fixing list?09:22
ubot2Launchpad bug 1014635 in firefox "Import Wizard has to be cancelled" [Low,Triaged]09:22
chrisccoulsondidrocks, oh, does that one still exist? i have a feeling that was fallout from bug 101318609:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 1013186 in firefox "Ubuntu customizations aren't being used" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101318609:27
chrisccoulsonmight be worth asking the reporter if it still happens09:28
didrockschrisccoulson: can you please do that and put all the tasks to incomplete?09:28
didrockschrisccoulson: I'm trying to clean the list, it needed some love apparently :)09:28
chrisccoulsonok, commented now09:28
didrockschrisccoulson: and on the 2 others that are assigned to you? are they on track?09:30
chrisccoulsondidrocks, yeah, i have a patch for one of those already. i need to send it upstream. i'll do that in a bit09:31
didrocksexcellent, thanks chrisccoulson :)09:31
didrockschrisccoulson: btw, you didn't notice anything on the "quick filtering is regularly collapsing"?09:32
chrisccoulsondidrocks, no, i didn't notice that. but then, i usually keep it collapsed anyway. i think i said i'd try keeping it open, but i keep collapsing it manually out of habit ;)09:32
didrockschrisccoulson: I'll do a patched version for you to remove the onclick handler once opened :)09:34
chrisccoulsonheh :)09:34
didrockschrisccoulson: it seems to me it always happens after a thunderbird update09:34
chrisccoulsonyeah, that doesn't surprise me09:35
chrisccoulsoni wonder if i could trigger it by setting the build id in my compatibility.ini to something bogus? (so it thinks it's been updated)09:35
didrockssome kind of rethorical question as you are the best to answer it :-)09:37
chrisccoulsonhmmm, that didn't work :/09:37
chrisccoulsonok, i'll have to have a think about it :)09:37
didrockschrisccoulson: thanks :)09:39
didrocksjibel: hey, you still have bug #1042211 I guess (now that you have some drivers which work on your netbook back)09:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 1042211 in mesa "[quantal] [regression] [i915] Corrupted display, desktop and menus don't repaint correctly using Mesa 9.0 (8.0.4 works)" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104221109:39
didrocksjibel: "As original poster, I confirm the latest updates fixed it on the Asus 1015pe."09:41
didrocksso compiz gles fixed it in some way if I understand normally?09:42
jibeldidrocks, this one is fixed.09:43
jibeldidrocks, but I had another one with latest mesa which has been reverted09:43
didrocksjibel: which is not the resume from suspend issue?09:45
jibeldidrocks, no09:45
jibeldidrocks, it was bug 104730609:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 1047306 in mesa "[Quantal] [Intel Atom] Mesa 2012/09/07 updates broke it all" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104730609:46
didrockstjaalton: sorry for the bug spam, I'm reworking and cleaning the incoming bug list09:46
didrocksjibel: ah, you mean what the revert fixed09:47
didrocksRAOF: I have another colord one for you :)09:48
RAOFdidrocks: Boo!10:20
didrocksheh :)10:22
RAOFI've got a plausible hypothesis for a couple of classes of crash; apparently seb could reproduce another one at will, so I guess I'll need to see if I can do it a similar way...10:24
RAOF(And those plausible hypotheses come complete with patches that would fix it if they were in fact the cause)10:24
didrocksexcellent, thanks RAOF :)10:25
mhr3didrocks, valadoc in Q only has support for vala 0.1411:14
mhr3what's that? there's vala 0.18 now?11:15
mhr3oh yea11:15
ricotzmhr3, since there are no releases of valadoc a newer snapshot is needed ;)11:44
ricotzmhr3, you can test out the vala-team ppa package of it11:45
didrocksmhr3: sorry, but dealing with other part that PS isn't doing right first :/11:58
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didrocksI'm on my 3G connexion, having network issues12:05
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didrockscyphermox: hey, how are you?12:47
cyphermoxdidrocks: pretty good, you12:48
didrockscyphermox: starting to coughing :/ otherwise good!12:48
didrockscyphermox: I think you saw that I assigned to you/touch some bugs12:49
cyphermoxyeah, thanks12:49
didrockscyphermox: thanks for assigning bugs? seb's job is cool :)12:49
didrockscyphermox: another thing, do you have some time to look at evolution NBS? Seb told me before leaving on holidays you had some insight of it12:50
cyphermoxyeah there's lot of things that need to just go :/12:50
didrockscyphermox: do you think you will be able to tackle that this week?12:50
cyphermoxyeah, I already started on tracker12:51
didrockscyphermox: excellent! keep me posted please :)12:52
didrocksjbicha: hey, good morning13:07
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jbichadidrocks: good morning13:09
pittihey jbicha, how are you?13:12
pittidid anyone ever try running clutter/nux/unity stuff in xvfb or KVM? (for tests)13:12
didrocks1jbicha: sorry, have been disconnected13:12
didrocks1just had: 15:07:29      didrocks | jbicha: hey, good morning13:12
didrocks1pitti: seems the security team did, why?13:12
pittididrocks1: I'm pondering how I write UI integration tests for suspend/resume handling (one of my work items)13:13
pittiso I need to e. g. start totem and see that it blocks auto-suspend, and the like13:13
pittibut totem doesn't work in xvfb due to clutter13:13
jbichadidrocks1: you didn't miss anything :)13:13
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didrockspitti: should work in a full session using llvmpipe, I did that on my netbook "forcing" it13:14
didrocksjbicha: how are you?13:14
pittididrocks: d'accord, merci13:14
didrockspitti: de rien :)13:15
jbichadidrocks: I'm doing pretty good13:16
didrocksjbicha: good enough to fancy a small UIFe? bug #1048976 :)13:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 1048976 in ubuntu-wallpapers "[UIFe] Update default ubuntu wallpaper to quantal version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104897613:16
jbichaoh good, I was about to start asking around for that13:17
jbichaI have to work on docs this weekend13:17
didrocksjbicha: great! you will even have the right wallpaper then :)13:18
jbichait doesn't seem to have a wallpaper attached though13:18
didrocksno, I didn't attach to it, want it or it's just for your curiousity?13:18
didrocks(the package is ready to be uploaded)13:19
jbichais it purpley-orangey blobs or is it tesselated origami?13:19
didrocksstill purpley-orangey13:19
jbichadidrocks: ok, +1'd13:22
pittichrisccoulson: do you know what this is? /usr/lib/firefox/firefox http://www.mardy.it/oauth2callback?code=<long gibberish>13:22
didrocksjbicha: thanks, uploading :)13:23
pittichrisccoulson: I don't know what mardy.it is, and this process is sitting there for 4 hours already13:23
didrockspitti: did you restart the signon deamons since you upgrade?13:23
pittioh, oauth -- that might be from empathy, and the ever-annoying "wah wah want to reauth to google"?13:23
chrisccoulsonpitti - i've no idea what that is13:23
didrockspitti: mardy is an IRC nickname :)13:23
jbichapitti: bug 104758813:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 1047588 in online-accounts-account-plugins "Account authentication spawning oauth2callback to mardy.it" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104758813:23
didrocksyeah, that's it :)13:23
pittimerci beaucoup13:23
didrocksmais toujours de rien ;)13:24
didrocksI told him to be a little more silent when he introduces backdoors to ubuntu :p13:24
chrisccoulsonoh, i've not set up any online accounts. perhaps that's why i haven't seen it ;)13:26
didrockschrisccoulson: you hate the web, right? :)13:26
pittichrisccoulson: no jabber? no gtalk? wow13:27
chrisccoulsondidrocks, i like the web ;)13:28
* pitti watches chrisccoulson attach some letters to one of his pidgins13:28
didrockschrisccoulson: was just j/k ;)13:28
pittimeh, dear X.org, please do start in KVM13:28
chrisccoulsonpitti, no, i only use IRC. and i've not opened empathy for months ;)13:28
didrockskenvandine: hey! good morning13:28
didrockschrisccoulson: TBH, I'm a little bit in the same case13:29
chrisccoulsoni do occasionally chat to friends on facebook, but i just use their web UI for that13:29
didrockseven not facebook ;)13:29
kenvandinedidrocks, good morning13:29
pittihey kenvandine13:29
didrockskenvandine: how are you?13:29
kenvandineand you?13:29
didrocksstart coughing apparently :/13:29
didrockslet's see how it goes, lot of coffees maybe in the next days :)13:30
didrockskenvandine: ~ubuntu-art-pkg isn't accessible for my powerless bzr rights13:30
didrockskenvandine: can you please push lp:~didrocks/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu to lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu?13:30
didrocks(and maybe we should fix that later on to have real rights on it)13:31
chrisccoulsonchatting on facebook (and other sites) will be nicer in firefox with the social API stuff they're working on13:31
didrockskenvandine: also, when you get a chance, please paste the bug # for the lens in the FFe section of the team report :)13:31
Laneyhm, launchpad says that I am in that team13:31
kenvandinedidrocks, yup :)13:31
LaneyIain Lane → Ubuntu Core Development Team → Ubuntu Artwork Packagers13:31
didrockskenvandine: thanks!13:31
didrocksLaney: hum, I just tried to push13:31
didrocksand got some readonly error13:32
didrocksI didn't insist, I got some transiant ones yesterday13:32
didrocksso maybe they are updating something, we had issues with bzrlib for the unity merger13:32
didrockschrisccoulson: what's this social API stuff?13:34
didrockschrisccoulson: it doesn't seem to be in the html5 discussions I followed on13:34
chrisccoulsondidrocks, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/SocialAPI13:34
kenvandinedidrocks, pushed13:35
didrockskenvandine: thanks again (I'm sure you looked at the new wallpaper! :p)13:36
kenvandinenot yet :)13:36
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pittikenvandine: do you know whether there's a way to run an indicator in a kind of test sandbox, i. e. without starting the whole unity?13:48
larsupitti, /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader3 /path/to/libindicator.so13:49
larsuindicator-loader is in libindicator3-tools13:50
pittic'est parfait, merci!13:50
kenvandinewhat larsu said13:50
kenvandinepitti, but note that is the rendering side... there is also a service to go with it13:50
kenvandinebut that doesn't need to be run in a special way13:50
pittiyeah, that's just d-bus activated, isn't it?13:51
kenvandinebut if you are testing in a local build13:51
kenvandineyou might want to run it by hand13:51
kenvandinewhich is tricky....13:51
pittiwhy? I thought you could just start the service manually from the build tree, and then run the loader13:52
pittibut anyway, I want to write an UI system integration test, so dbus activation is fine13:52
kenvandineit respawns13:52
pittilarsu: nice trick anyway, thanks13:52
kenvandinejust something that bites a lot of people13:52
pittiI just want to get enough of a session running in autopkgtest so that I can exercise some indicator actions13:52
kenvandineif the system one is fine, then easy :)13:52
* larsu would be much happier if indicators simply used d-bus activation13:52
kenvandinelarsu, me too13:53
pittilarsu: n'est ce pas /usr/share/dbus-1/services/indicator-session.service?13:54
pittiI thought they were (the services, not the UI)13:54
larsupitti, yeah, but the panel plugins have some additional logic to restart the services13:55
pittinice! x.org and indicator-session in my minimal vm13:55
pittiI guess as I just want to inject some d-bus commands, I don't even need the UI bits, but it's easier for initial tinkering13:56
Laneydobey: Can I bring your attention to bug #1047800 please? :-)14:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 1047800 in ubuntuone-client-gnome "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_vfprintf_internal()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104780014:07
* Laney got this just by navigating to a newly-shared U1 directory in nautilus14:07
dobeyLaney: hrmm14:08
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Laneyactually, I had just ticked "share locally" or whatever it is to one that I had uploaded from another machine and U1 was in the middle of bringing it down to me14:09
dobeyugh. that is weird14:10
dobeyand why is that stack trace incomplete? are there no dbus dbgsyms available to apport retracer?14:10
Laneytry https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92020668/Stacktrace.txt14:12
dobeyhmm, one of the older dupes has better trace it seems14:12
dobeyheh, that's exactly the one i'm already looking at :)14:12
mterrytedg, poke about remote-login-by-default14:12
* Laney is out for a bit14:12
didrockshey mterry14:13
mterrydidrocks, hello!14:14
dobeyhuh. this is a very weird trace14:14
didrockshow are you?14:14
mterrydidrocks, good!14:14
didrocksmterry: if you have features needed FFe that are not handled on PS side, please add them to the team report :)14:15
mterrydidrocks, I don't think so...14:15
didrocksmterry: great, you are out of trouble then! IIRC, you worked on something similar to bug #1045662 recently?14:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 1045662 in gnome-settings-daemon "[power]: gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104566214:15
mterrydidrocks, yup!14:16
mterrylet me see14:16
mterrybug 97135314:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 971353 in gnome-settings-daemon "power : gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97135314:17
didrocksso, a real dup?14:17
didrockslet me gladely dup it :)14:17
mterry:)  yeah, they reported with unfixed version, so dup it14:17
didrocksthanks mterry :)14:17
tedgmterry, Is there mail?  Let me check.14:27
mterrytedg, there is scrollback when mdeslaur and jdstrand talked about it last night14:27
tedgmterry, Hmm, I don't have all of that scrollback.  Looking for logs.  Just a sec.14:28
jdstrandmterry, tedg: so we decided enable it for now. we will be poking at it more and may have more questions14:28
jdstrandmterry, tedg: unfortunately, I wasn't able to see the overall picture and how it worked on the default system at the time of my review. now that more of the bits are landing and we can see your intent, we'll have a better idea14:30
desrtso.... i install gdm and change my default display manager14:30
desrtthen i uninstall gdm14:30
jdstrandthat said, it seems like an odd default option to enable14:30
desrthow do i convince lightdm to take over again?14:30
tedgjdstrand, Okay, I have a juju charm that can build a rdp server for you.14:30
jdstrandtedg: that would be excellent14:30
mterrytedg, so if we enable this, every user will see a "Remote Login" option on the bottom of the list?14:31
tedgjdstrand, http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Desktop_in_the_cloud14:31
tedgmterry, Yes14:31
tedgmterry, If they have networking.14:31
mterrytedg, and design wants that?14:31
tedgmterry, (after that branch lands)14:31
didrocksdesrt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm14:32
tedgmterry, I guess I don't know design's opinion on it, but I do know that is what I was told how it would work.14:32
didrocksthen you have a lovely debconf prompt :)14:32
desrtdidrocks: huh.  i thought i had tried that14:32
desrtthanks in any case :)14:32
didrocksyw ;)14:32
mterrytedg, asking in #ubuntu-release about it.  I also realized the gsettings key to enable/disable is counter to how the rest of the greeter is customized.  It should be toggled in lightdm.conf, so I'll look at making that change today14:34
jdstrandtedg: so, there is rdp, uccs and citrix? will poking at rdp be representative of the other two?14:34
didrockschrisccoulson: did you get a receipt from my weekly report meeting email?14:35
tedgmterry, Ah, okay.14:35
mterryjdstrand, can you comment in bug 1040221 that it's OK to try turning it on by default?14:35
mdeslaurjdstrand: the way I understand it is it communicates with uccs to get your list of rdp and citrix servers14:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 1040221 in unity-greeter "FFe request: Provide remote login options" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104022114:35
tedgjdstrand, Yeah, the citrix stuff we can't really put in the repo because it needs their proprietary client :-(14:35
tedgjdstrand, You can grab the code and try it, but it'll probably only end up in partner or extras or something.14:36
didrocksdavidcalle: mterry: I saw the photo lens has been added without any tests, is that something on purpose?14:37
davidcalledidrocks, would manual tests work for you?14:38
jdstrandmdeslaur: re uccs: yes, that is what I saw in the code review too. however, I thought it might be possible to setup an rdp/citrix server to connect to independently of uccs (the landscape bit)14:38
didrocksdavidcalle: check with the unity team about those14:38
didrocksdavidcalle: as they are the one who will run them14:38
jdstrandtedg: can you comment? ^14:38
mdeslaurtedg: ^14:38
tedgjdstrand, mdeslaur, if you want to see what the list of servers part is the easiest way to test that is "echo -n ubuntussopass | thin-client-config-agent me@ubuntu.sso"14:38
didrocksdavidcalle: but I think it's fine for lenses, even if automated tests will be appreciated14:38
didrocksdavidcalle: please, stop landing stuff without tests into distro, we don't do that anymore14:39
didrocksdavidcalle: also, can you make the video lens on the same level regarding testing?14:39
davidcalledidrocks, ok14:39
didrocksthanks :)14:39
tedgjdstrand, There are ways to do that, but they're there mostly for testing today.  But, all that changes is where the list of servers comes from now how it works with the accounts, etc.14:40
mterrydidrocks, sorry, my fault.14:40
didrocksmterry: no worry, but I want to be fair with other PS people and that we don't start again to go into the wrong direction14:40
jdstrandtedg: ok, thanks14:41
mterrydidrocks, yup14:41
davidcallemterry, mine actually. Will do my best to land them asap.14:41
mterrydidrocks, no meeting looks like?15:38
didrocksmterry: sorry, was in a pm, let me try to play this game of listing people :)15:39
didrocksbryceh: chrisccoulson, cyphermox, kenvandine, mterry, robru, Laney, tkamppeter: anything particular to discuss for this week?15:41
didrocksplease remember updating your blueprints status :)15:41
robrudidrocks, nothing major to mention, I'm still plugging away at gwibber.15:42
* kenvandine hugs robru15:42
didrocksrobru: plug plug ;)15:42
didrocksok no meeting it seems then, I assigned some bugs to some lucky of you, please watch for them out :)15:43
robruthanks didrocks15:44
davmor2kenvandine: good news this latest update didn't bork my sip password,  bad neww the 2 google accounts I have both need a fresh authenticate app when I start up the system :(15:45
kenvandinedavmor2, yeah... i've been complaining to mardy about that :)15:45
kenvandinedavmor2, can you file a bug for that?15:46
kenvandineagainst account-plugins?15:46
davmor2kenvandine: will do15:49
kenvandinedavmor2, thanks15:51
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks, sorry, just got back from exercise :)15:51
didrockschrisccoulson: no worry, nothing special to discuss?15:52
chrisccoulsondidrocks, not really. i'm basically working on bug fixing now15:52
didrocksbug fixing is good, did you hide the chat button? :)15:52
dokodidrocks, do you know what the replacement of libgsf-gnome-1-dev is?16:02
dokowas dropped in quantal16:02
didrocksdoko: seems they are declared obsolete in debian/ubuntu:16:06
didrocksyou see some rdepends?16:06
* didrocks checks16:06
didrocksah, I know the upstream for planner16:07
didrockslet me check16:07
didrocksdoko: from what I see both libg3d and planner are build-depending on libgsf-gnome-1-dev, but it seems they don't link to it16:08
didrockslet me perform some build test16:08
dokodidrocks, libg3d not needed16:09
didrocks libgsf-1-dev | libgsf-gnome-1-dev,16:09
dokoand doing planner now16:09
didrocksdoko: I'm already on it, building16:09
dokowhich seems to work. uploaded16:09
didrocksthis fast? did you make any test?16:09
dokopackage did build16:10
didrockswell, doesn't mean it's working :)16:10
didrocksbut ok, next time I'll let you investigate if you really want to upload it at any cost :p16:12
jbichadidrocks: did you want to add ubuntu-default-settings to the ubuntu-desktop seed & metapackage?16:19
Laneyhas anyone from the release team considered that?16:21
didrocksjbicha: I thought you wanted to deal with the FFe first, no?16:22
jbichaLaney: not really, I mentioned it in an email to the release team last week but I wasn't sure if it need a FFe or not16:22
jbichait's bug 103979216:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 1039792 in ubuntu-meta "[needs-packaging] [MIR] ubuntu-default-settings" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103979216:23
didrocksthe MIR has been acked, I guess thats fine as it doesn't change anything structurally, wdyt Laney?16:24
Laneyis it planned to drop the overrides from the individual packages this cycle?16:26
didrocksLaney: I suggested beginning of next cycle or with GNOME updates as they come16:26
didrocksI have no strong opinion either way, seems low risk to me16:26
jbichaLaney: yes I was hoping to, as otherwise ubuntu-gnome-default-settings would need to override the override back to default16:27
Laneyjbicha: right, how many packages are affected then?16:27
jbichaI mean it's not essential as we know how to work around it, but it is nicer16:27
LLStarksjbicha, does your tbird have a window bar?16:29
jbichapotentially nearly everything in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_*16:29
jbichaLLStarks: this is where I admit that this week I'm running Ubuntu GNOME which doesn't have thunderbird pre-installed...16:30
Laneywell, if you think you can do it16:30
jbichaI'm going to have to install Unity this week though for docs16:30
LLStarksi'm running gnome-shell and there's no window bar for tbird16:30
didrocksLaney: even if we can't do everything in a run, there is no file overwrite, just two overrides of the same value16:30
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didrocksand desrt will be happy, what price this can have? :)16:31
LLStarksi feel so empty16:31
Laneyyeah. I think that if we're going to do it then we might as well get it all done16:31
Laneyjbicha: go for it16:31
Laneybeta freeze (next thurs) is probably a reasonable deadline to be fiddling with changes like dropping schemas16:32
didrocksok, updating the seed then, and moving the package to main as the MIR is accepted16:33
didrocksLaney: jbicha ^16:33
desrtdidrocks: i was right -- i had tried that before16:37
desrtdidrocks: still not working :/16:37
desrtjbicha: so gnome-shell lockscreen is.... unhappy16:38
jbichadesrt: ?16:38
desrtwe just got an upgrade that prints a "could not connect to gdm" message and doesn't lock16:38
didrocksdesrt: hum? so you have lightdm chosen by default, and it's not the own starting? interested16:38
Laneyhttp://paste.debian.net/189201/ is this a sane patch (to gconf)?16:39
desrtdidrocks: i had this issue before.... i ended up reinstalling to fix it :p16:39
jbichadesrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68306016:39
ubot2Gnome bug 683060 in lock-screen "Impossible to unlock screen if not using GDM" [Major,Unconfirmed]16:39
didrocksdesrt: try asking robert when he's around16:40
didrocksI thought it was just this alternative being enough16:40
jbichaI just grabbed the first patch from there; I don't think the patch from today is quite what we want either16:40
desrtjbicha: i wonder if we can just package the gdm service that provides the auth stuff16:40
jbichaI think robert said doing something like that was awfully complex16:41
desrtit needn't be part of lightdm...16:41
jbichawell I think the gnome-shell guys want their new lock screen to be used by everyone so they probably would be happy if someone got that working16:42
desrtthis does seem like the correct way forward.16:42
desrtseems like we could autostart org.gnome.DisplayManager16:43
micahgdesrt: are you a GTK person or just GLIB upstream?16:45
desrtglib mostly16:45
desrtbut i do the odd gtk patch from time to time in specific areas16:45
desrt(mostly application support stuff)16:45
micahgdesrt: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/111315068/gtk%2B3.0_3.4.2-0ubuntu0.5~ppa~tj.debdiff16:45
desrtlarsu: ^ ?16:45
* desrt really knows absolutely nothing about printing16:46
micahgif it's accepted upstream, I'll sponsor it into Ubuntu16:46
larsumicahg, do you know when the "Custom." prefix is already there? I think this should never happen...16:48
larsuoh, there's a bug number in the changelog16:48
micahgyeah, with links all over the place16:49
larsumicahg, it certainly fixes the problem, but it's not the right solution. I wouldn't recommend upstreaming it like this16:58
micahglarsu: ok, thanks, could you comment in the bug with any tips on how to proceed?16:59
larsumicahg, I don't have any tips yet, but I'll fix it this week, shouldn't be too hard17:00
micahglarsu: ok, can I give you the bug then?17:00
micahgoh, there's no assignee, so I'll leave it as is17:01
didrocksjbicha: I'll push to ubuntu-meta the ubuntu-default-settings a little bit later, needs to wait for it to be published in main (the override needs a publisher run)17:03
didrocksI'll disconnect for dinner, have a good evening everyone :)17:04
mterrytedg, can you roll a new remote-login-service?17:47
tedgmterry, For the g_error() patch?18:09
tedgmterry, I'm working on network detection right now, I was going to finish that before releasing.18:09
mterrytedg, no worries18:10
mterrytedg, I'll just distro-patch the g_error one18:10
mterrytedg, I just wanted that fix in place before I enabled it by default18:11
micahgmterry: someone showed me Bug #1033887 last night, looks easy enough to fix I think18:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 1033887 in deja-dup "backup fails with error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103388718:12
mterrymicahg, thanks, marked it as a dup of another report that I was looking at yesterday18:13
mterrymicahg, it's been a problem for a while, but I've been waiting until bug hunting season (post FF) to get to it18:13
mterrySeems about time18:13
mterryjbicha, are you able to approve my ubuntu-doc mailling list posts?  I'd appreciate it if so18:40
jbichamterry: no, I'm not an admin; I think mdke is; or you could just subscribe & re-send18:44
micahgmterry: I'm guessing there shouldn't be a problem with me sponsoring adding Enhances to the xchat-indicator binaries?19:00
mterrymicahg, I don't remember the context for this conversation19:01
micahgmterry: no context, asking a question :)19:01
micahgBug #1049194 FWIW19:02
ubot2Launchpad bug 1049194 in xchat-indicator "Add the xchat-indicator package as an "Enhances:" for xchat" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104919419:02
mterrymicahg, Enhances: xchat ?19:02
micahgyeah, and Enhances: xchat-indicator19:02
micahgjust wanted to check if there was a reason not to19:02
mterrymicahg, xchat doesn't Enhance xchat-indicator, does it?  Seems like a weird relationship19:02
micahgreporter originally wanted recommends on the indicators and I said no19:03
micahgmterry: the other way, the indicator enhances xchat{,-gnome}19:03
mterryI think Enhances and Suggests make sense19:03
mterryEnhance: xchat, Suggests: xchat-indicator19:04
mterryMy vote anyway19:04
micahgok, sponsoring (and I'm using the bzr branch as well)19:04
micahgwell, I'm only doing the enhances side since it's 1 upload :)19:04
mterrymicahg, awesome19:06
Laneydesrt: would you know if http://paste.debian.net/189201/ is sane?19:15
desrtLaney: i can't imagine it would hurt anything, but i'm a little bit suspicious of this issue showing up now...19:20
LaneyI don't know why either, but banshee/tomboy became a victim of this crash in Quantal19:21
* kenvandine curses tedg19:24
kenvandinei just tried to check out indicate-datetime19:24
kenvandineit's been 3.5 years... and i still screw up indicate and indicator :-D19:25
tedgkenvandine, I'm here to help your grammar.  Just because you can't learn it  ;-)19:25
kenvandinei think this is a sign that i haven't messed with the indicators enough this cycle19:25
kenvandinei actually didn't have it checked out anywhere19:26
tedgHeh, see, now that's you're problem.19:27
kenvandineand you're here to help my grammar19:28
tedgThink of it this way kenvandine, by helping you, I'm helping you set a good example for your children.  By them having a good example, they'll do better in school and lead more successful lives.  Don't do it for me, do it for the children.19:28
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dokocursing the unity-staging team building every commit on powerpc :-(20:42
Laneydoko: #ubuntu-unity is probably a better channel for flames :P20:43
micahgdoko: that was supposed to stop20:43
chrisccoulsonurgh, is this unity webapps stuff relying on multiple profile support in firefox?20:50
kenvandinechrisccoulson, i really don't know20:52
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, it is. it's entirely dependant on a feature that is deprecated and being removed20:52
micahgFirefox is getting rid of multiple profiles?20:53
chrisccoulsonyes, it's been the plan to remove this feature for ages, it just hasn't happened yet20:54
micahgI thought they wanted to remove the manager, not the feature, ugh :(20:54
dobeypeople use that feature for actual things?20:55
chrisccoulsonhmmm, maybe it is then. but the whole feature sucks20:55
chrisccoulsonmultiple profiles is completely and utterly broken unless you start using -no-remote everywhere, and then it's still broken, but just in different ways20:55
dobeyit made a little bit of sense in netscape on windows 9520:55
chrisccoulsoni can't believe the entire thing is dependant on this20:56
kenvandineis that for chromeless?20:56
dobeykenvandine: and not screwing with the user's actual profile, i guess?20:56
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, it looks like it. it's a shame that they're not using the upstream chromeless runtime, which doesn't depend on any of these hacks21:00
chrisccoulsonand they symlink the cookies.sqlite file between profiles :/21:09
chrisccoulsonthat's pointless, considering firefox locks that so that only one instance can access it21:09
chrisccoulsonthe more i look at this, the more i want to cry21:09
cyphermoxLaney: still around?21:15
chrisccoulsonmicahg, there's the removal patch: https://bug214675.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=41699821:24
chrisccoulsonit removes the UI and multiple profile support21:24
chrisccoulsonso, the whole lot21:25
chrisccoulsonoh dear21:25
Laneycyphermox: yo21:28
cyphermoxLaney: would you agree that evolution-rss 0.3.92 is bugfix, fixing up building against EDS 3.5 (I want to finish clearing the NBS list) --> http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-rss/log/21:28
jbichachrisccoulson: why aren't you including Firefox 16 Beta in Quantal?21:28
chrisccoulsonjbicha, the release date is cutting it a bit fine21:29
Laneycyphermox: yeah, looks alright21:29
chrisccoulsonjbicha, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next ;)21:29
cyphermoxLaney: ok, thanks21:30
jbichachrisccoulson: so you're going for a 0-day SRU instead?21:30
Laneyyay for EDS transitions21:31
chrisccoulsonjbicha, yep :)21:31
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RAOFHuh. Has indicator-messages deliberately dropped support for all apps which aren't empathy or gwibber?23:04
chrisccoulsonRAOF, thunderbird and xchat-gnome work too ;)23:08
RAOFBut not evolution or smuxi. Ok, what's going on here.23:08
chrisccoulsonRAOF, bug 104025923:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 1040259 in unity-mail "FFE: libmessaging-menu transitions for quantal" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104025923:10

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