stgraberbarry: another thing blowing up in the archive after the new python landed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/104886400:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048864 in juju (Ubuntu Quantal) "Latest python in quantal breaks juju test suite" [Critical,Triaged]00:02
stgraberSpamapS: the same python fixes also caused https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/104871000:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048710 in python3.2 (Ubuntu) "Regression in argparse for Python 2.7, 3.2 and 3.3" [Undecided,Confirmed]00:03
SpamapSstgraber: ah, so perhaps this is really just a dupe and the python regression will be fixed?00:04
stgraberSpamapS: well, it's certainly a change of behaviour on the python side, now it's not completely clear whether it was intended or not and if it was, the doc is not reflecting that properly00:09
SpamapSstgraber: for now I'll leave it in a holding pattern until folks smarter than I figure it out.00:10
slangasekstgraber, SpamapS: should we be reverting this change to python if it's causing serious regressions?00:33
slangasek(revert, and wait for a better fix)00:34
slangasekdoko: has anyone brought bug #1048710 to your attention?00:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048710 in python3.2 (Ubuntu) "Regression in argparse for Python 2.7, 3.2 and 3.3" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104871000:35
dokoslangasek, stgraber: handled for now by barry. I'm not that sure that this exposes regressions in many existing builds. but quantal will see a resolution for all pythonx.y packages00:37
slangasekdoko: ok00:38
slangasekdoko: sorry, just assigned the bug to you; feel free to reassign it to barry, or just take the credit for the bugfix when it's closed ;)00:38
stgraberslangasek: so far juju and arkose are the only two that I'm aware of, it's apparently limited to pretty specific (weird) uses of argparse, so as it's, I think we can wait a few days. I worked around it in arkose for now (by removing the unnecessary type=str).00:43
stgraberI see it's being looked at/discussed upstream, so hopefully we'll know more soon00:44
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pittiGood morning03:35
pittiinfinity: ntfs-3g> sure, will do; should have checked myself, thanks for pointing out03:36
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RAOFHow good is errors.ubuntu.com at verifying that a precise-proposed package fixes a crasher bug that's not trivially reproducible?03:46
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lifelessRAOF: perfect03:49
lifelessRAOF: it measures 'fixed' by 'not happening any more'03:49
lifelessRAOF: which of course depends on a) reproduction and b) users reporting it03:50
pittiinfinity: done03:51
pittiinfinity: I rejected my previous upload03:52
lifelessRAOF: the 'perfect' was sarcasm btw03:53
lifelessRAOF: we don't (AFAIK) have any machine learning in there yet03:53
lifelessRAOF: but it should be fairly goof03:53
RAOFlifeless: People seem to be reasonably good at randomly hitting the crash, so not finding any crashes in the proposed version would be a reasonable herustic03:54
lifelessRAOF: heuristic ?03:55
RAOFI am *terrible* at spelling that.03:57
lifelessRAOF: you need a better engrish heuristic :)03:58
infinitypitti: Thanks.04:10
infinityRAOF: I kinda like "herustic".  Like a log cabin decorated with Master of the Universe toys.04:11
tjaaltoninfinity, ScottK: looks like the noise on bug 956071 has been sorted out, the hotkey issue is a separate bug04:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 956071 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu Precise) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in XIGetDeviceProperty()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95607104:38
infinitytjaalton: Alright, that's good enough for me.04:42
infinitytjaalton: Released to updates.04:43
infinitytjaalton: Thanks for digging deeper.04:43
tjaaltoninfinity: excellent, thanks04:43
tjaaltonI'll try to search for the hotkey bug, that must be reported04:44
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tjaaltonthe hotkey bug is in gnome-settings-daemon, hitting the key toggles /org/gnome/settings-daemon/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad-enabled04:53
tjaaltonbug 80410904:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 804109 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "can't enable touchpad in Ubuntu (thinkpads)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80410904:55
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toabctlpitti, i'm trying to introspect a p2p dbus connection (for bgo #681093) but get a "TypeError: Argument 1 does not allow None as a value". See example script here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1198008/05:11
toabctlpitti, the strange thing is, that "gdbus introspect ..." works well and there is the first parameter null05:11
toabctlpitti, see http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gio/gdbus-tool.c#n143605:13
pittitoabctl: answering in #python05:24
pittiRAOF: the incompatible fglrx keeps breaking the ubuntu-drivers-common test cases; I just checked, and that seems to be right05:41
pittiRAOF: do you know when we'll get a compatible fglrx?05:41
RAOFI do not, no.05:41
pittiok; at least the tests do what they are supposed to do05:42
RAOFSarvatt or tselliot are your best bets for that knowledge; tjaalton is also has a reasonable chance of knowing.05:42
pitticyphermox: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-network-manager/lastFailedBuild/ARCH=i386,label=albali/console -> is that perhaps a missing dependency?05:45
pitticyphermox: (dnsmasq)05:45
xnoxgood morning =)05:57
tjaaltonpitti, RAOF: my bet is on week 41 or 42..06:06
dholbachgood morning07:01
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dholbachtseliot, do you think you or somebody else could respond to https://twitter.com/marcosbarbosa/status/245228540952473602?07:36
tseliotdholbach: sure, we don't have an fglrx driver which support's Quantal's xserver ABI yet07:37
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pittijibel: in Jenkins, do we have tests that run under a full desktop session?08:19
pittijibel: I have a work item to write UI related suspend/resume tests (indicator integration, inhibition by movie player, low battery, and so on)08:20
pittijibel: but these would be full desktop integration tests08:20
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jibelpitti, there are a few to test unity with autopilot. They run on hardware. For example https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/dx-autopilot-run/label=00000000-0000-0000-0000-8C89A516023C/08:24
pittijibel: ah, I was hoping for a VM (as on real hw it's rather brittle to set up auto-resume)08:24
pittijibel: but that shouldn't stop me, I could stub out the actual suspend call somehow08:25
pittijibel: I guess it would not be appropriate to stuff them into the daily image testing?08:25
jibelpitti, we could run them as post-install test08:26
pittijibel: would that be appropriate for now, until we have real adt-like integration tests?08:26
pittijibel: or should I rather try to use adt-*, and just depend on gnome-session etc. and run the stuff under xvfb?08:26
pittiah, unity and xvfb might not be that friendly to each other, I fear08:27
tkamppeter_pitti, hi08:27
pittihello tkamppeter_08:27
tkamppeter_I have some packages which are very close to Debian or even in sync, and they have recommends which we do not have in main, foomatic-db, see bug 1048982 and ghostscript, see bug 104882008:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048982 in printing-metas (Ubuntu) "[MIR] printing-metas" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104898208:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048820 in fonts-droid (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonts-droid" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104882008:29
pittitkamppeter_: I thought we used foomatic-db-compressed?08:30
jibelpitti, my concern is that we can shoehorn the tests in the current daily image testing, but it will ported to utah soonish, which means porting the suspend/resume tests too.08:30
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jibelpitti, I'll look to provision a testbed for adt with a full desktop environment08:30
pittijibel: yeah, and they don't really fit into iso testing08:30
pittijibel: so perhaps we should just wait for UTAH for this?08:31
tkamppeterNow for us these recommended packages are not really important, how to proceed without breaking sybcs and/or without getting extra delta.08:31
jibelpitti, maybe but I have no ETA, gema will know08:31
pittitkamppeter: I don't understand bug 104882008:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048820 in fonts-droid (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonts-droid" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104882008:32
pitti$ apt-cache show ghostscript|grep droid08:32
pittighostscript doesn't recommend fonts-droid08:32
tkamppeterpitti, we really use foomatic-db-compressed-ppds, but some automatic consistency checker seems to have found this stuff.08:32
tkamppeterpitti, can one perhaps demote the binary package foomatic-db? Or is it not possible as it is a build dependency for other packages in main?08:33
pittitkamppeter: oh, I see -- it's libgs9-common which recommends it08:33
pittitkamppeter: yep, see "reverse-depends -b foomatic-db" - b-deps of m2300w and ptouch-driver08:34
tkamppeterpitti, I did not set this, I even did not know that there is a package named fonts-droid. This probably comes from Debvian.08:34
pittitkamppeter: right, so what the bug says -- either we drop it to a suggests, or use a font which we already install08:34
pittiI'm not that keen on adding YET another font to the default install08:35
pittiwe have plenty already08:35
tkamppeterpitti, I do not have fonts-droid installed and I nver had problems with Ghostscript, so I would make a suggests out of fonts-droid.08:36
pittitkamppeter: sounds fine08:36
tkamppeterpitti, problem is that we have another delta, as the Debian maintainer has probably some reasons to recommend it in a Debian environment.08:37
pittitkamppeter: as for foomatic-db, perhaps m2300w etc. also build with -compressed as a b-dep somehow?08:37
tkamppeterpitti, problem is that m2300w and ptouch-driver ship Foomatic XML files and no corresponding PPDs, so the build process has to build the PPDs which needs foomatic-db.08:38
pittitkamppeter: so you could also drop printer-driver-all recommends to suggests?08:41
tkamppeterpitti, I am investigating now whether the two driver packages really need foomatic-db to build ...08:42
tkamppeterpitti, main problem of foomatic-db is that it is synced with Debian.08:42
pittitkamppeter: no, it's not -- 20120823-0ubuntu1 here ?08:42
pittijibel: ok; let me play around with how much of a session I can get in xvfb and the adt env08:43
tkamppeterpitti, it is at least identical. Sometimes I update from OpenPrinting, sometimes OdyX. All in the debian/ directory is always the same.08:44
pittitkamppeter: ah, so perhaps some syncs are in order to get us to identical versions?08:44
pittitkamppeter: so ideally the foomatic-db build deps coudl be dropped08:44
pittitkamppeter: if not, we coudl change the foomatic package in Debian to add the recommends only when you build for Debian, but not for Ubuntu08:45
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dokopitti, is ibus-m17n wanted in main? you did add support for it in language-selector (but already in precise), and cjwatson seeded it in June08:56
pittihm, not sure -- it fell out of main after lucid apparently08:57
cjwatson*shrug* I think I was just syncing up with something or other08:59
pittiwhy does that only pop up now, hmm; /me reads seed history08:59
cjwatsonProbably with language-selector08:59
pittirevno: 173808:59
pitti  drop ibus-m17n, it's a very little used package and has far inferior input methods compared to pinyin; use pinyin with small db-android instead; per Aron Xu <happyaron@ubuntu.com>08:59
pittitimestamp: Fri 2010-08-20 14:33:14 +020008:59
cjwatsonYeah, but l-s should match the seeds either way08:59
pittiso that's what caused it to drop out of main08:59
pittiwe should drop it from l-s then?09:00
cjwatsonI have no opinion on whether -m17n is any good or not, but if it isn't, it should be dropped from the seeds and l-s in tandem09:00
pittiArneGoetje: hey Arne, how are you?09:00
pittiArneGoetje: do you know of m17n is still relevant for anything?09:00
pitticjwatson: yes, I agree09:01
cjwatsonbug 75347609:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 753476 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "[te]ibus-m17n needs to be part of CD/DVD for indic language support " [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75347609:01
cjwatsonfiled some months after r173809:01
pittiah, there we go09:01
pittiright, then I guess let's just promote it back?09:01
pitti. o O { yay for having history for everyting }09:02
cjwatsonThis is what it's for ...09:03
pittidoko: re-promoted then09:04
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mptev, poppy-dev doesn't have the data point tooltips. Is that deliberate?09:48
evmpt: try now09:49
mptSo, what was the spike yesterday?09:50
evmpt: not sure yet - firefighting the django openid deployment. Will dig in a bit09:52
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jamespagedoko: ceph currently has some binaries which are in universe - rest-bench being one of them which has this dep10:18
davmor2pitti: I'm going to write a bug for the music player showing up in quantal as a usb driver what commands are you likely to want me to run to help you guys diagnose it?10:49
davmor2pitti: also I'm assuming the fix you added to precise got pulled in right?10:50
davmor2pitti: and would a comparison with what precise lists be useful?10:52
dokojamespage, I assume I'll just have to add rest-bench-dbg to Extra-Excludes10:57
jamespagedoko, yes please - I really don't think the rest-bench packages need to go into main10:57
jamespageradosgw is another matter10:57
xclaesseany known bug that could cause gobject-introspection stuff to be commented out in generated Makefile ?10:59
xclaessebuilding tp-glib from source does not build .gir, wondering if that could be a bug in ubuntu quantal gobject-introspection package or something like that11:00
bigjoolscjwatson: can I bug you for some help with a quantal upgrade please - it's left my machine in a bit of a state11:04
pittidavmor2: re (sorry, was at the phone)11:06
pittidavmor2: an useful piece of information/comparison would be "udevadm info --export-db", this will tell me whether the device was recongized as a player11:06
xclaessebah forget my question above, found my error :)11:07
cjwatsonbigjools: well, I may or may not know the answer, but sure11:08
bigjoolscjwatson: ok, I'll just paste some stuff11:08
davmor2pitti: apparently AlanBell has a similar issue with his android phone too11:08
bigjoolscjwatson: but first problem is that I have two X servers running on different vts11:09
cjwatsonI know nothing of that11:10
bigjoolscjwatson: then this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1198419/11:10
cjwatsonbigjools: could you tar up /var/lib/dpkg and put it somewhere for me please?11:10
cjwatsonprobably not immediately worth debugging your X problem until your package database is in a remotely sane state11:11
cjwatsonbut if it persists then you'll want somebody from the desktop team11:11
bigjoolsis U1 a suitable place for you to pick up files?11:11
bigjoolsah I'll stick it on chinstrap11:12
AlanBellpitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1198424/11:12
cjwatsonU1 would mean I'd have to figure out why my syncdaemon is busted11:12
cjwatsonwhich I've been merrily ignoring11:12
bigjoolsI just thought that I'm not sure I can rely on mine in this state11:12
sladenI think somebody posted me a weblink from U1 recently that no longer required extranous sign-up11:12
davmor2pitti: udevadm stuff, quantal = http://paste.ubuntu.com/1198425/ and precise = http://paste.ubuntu.com/1198430/ and I just thought I'm not sure what package to write it against :(11:15
evmpt: is there anything in the javascript console?11:20
everrors, that is11:20
mptev, [12:20:31.651] SyntaxError: JSON.parse: unexpected character @ http://poppy-dev.local/static/js/yui/build/json-parse/json-parse-min.js:711:22
evmpt: does it change if you click on a bucket page and login first?11:23
mptev, there's no buckets to click on11:24
cjwatsonbigjools: right, so this is basically http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/03/msg00005.html11:24
cjwatson(that won't especially help immediately, just for background)11:24
bigjoolsok, reading11:24
cjwatsonbigjools: I suspect this won't work, but try 'sudo dpkg -P libao4'11:24
bigjoolscjwatson: same dpkg error11:25
cjwatsonOK, let's edit dpkg's brain11:25
cjwatsonbigjools: edit /var/lib/dpkg/status.  There are two paragraphs that start with "Package: libao4"; you want the one that also contains "Architecture: amd64".  Delete that paragraph.11:26
cjwatson(It should be "Status: deinstall ok config-files".11:26
cjwatsonThe old dpkg incorrectly left this in a half-arsed state on a previous upgrade.11:26
bigjoolsit's now an ex-paragraph11:27
cjwatsonNow 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'11:27
bigjoolsdoing stuff, but reporting dependency problems11:28
cjwatsonYeah, expected since you were probably interrupted mid-upgrade11:28
bigjoolslooks like it :(11:28
cjwatsonBut it'll do what it can to start with11:28
cjwatsonThen 'sudo apt-get -f install'11:28
bigjoolsok it's done11:28
cjwatsonAnd after that I'd run 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'11:28
bigjoolsit wants to remove about 100 packages11:29
mptev, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1198449/11:29
cjwatsonbigjools: Out of interest did you use update-manager to do this upgrade - that is, if update-manager happened to have been smart enough to detect this problem earlier, would it have helped?11:30
bigjoolscjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1198460/11:30
bigjoolsI did use update manager yes11:30
bigjoolsand I suspect anything would have been better than this :)11:30
bigjoolsshort of leaving it unbootable11:31
cjwatsonWell, yeah, all I mean is we can't fix the bare apt-get dist-upgrade path so easily11:31
cjwatsonBut in principle we can beef up u-m to help people who use it11:31
bigjoolsso it wants to remove 238 in fact11:32
cjwatsonSo, that's entirely multiarch-related stuff; it could be caused by any one of those packages being out of sync between amd64 and i386, which is a standard multiarch problem while running development releases11:32
cjwatsonIf this were my system I would let it remove all of that and worry about putting google-earth-stable, skype, and wine1.4 (which are the application-level packages in there) back later11:33
cjwatsonOh, with the exception of erlang-docbuilder which has genuinely been removed from quantal11:34
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bigjoolswell, I hit the button, let's see how it goes :)11:34
cjwatsonThis systematic out-of-sync problem will be fixed once we start using -proposed to stage everything in a cycle or two11:35
mptev, if the Launchpad info is effectively just for styling the rows, have you considered displaying them unstyled quickly, and then applying the class= attributes when the Launchpad data arrives?11:35
evmpt: yes, I've thought about it, but it requires fetching much of the same data twice11:35
mptev, you changed the error: Timestamp: 11/09/12 12:34:1011:35
mptError: SyntaxError: JSON.parse: unexpected end of data - Source File: http://poppy-dev.local/static/js/yui/build/json-parse/json-parse-min.js Line: 711:35
evthat shouldn't change11:35
evbut try logging in off a problem page11:35
evclicking on a function link11:35
evthat's what I think I fixed11:35
cjwatsonslangasek: ^- Do you know of a bug that corresponds to bigjools' multiarch upgrade disaster?  We should definitely do something about this in ubuntu-release-upgrader11:36
mptev, success11:36
evtuples should suffer an awful death11:36
evnow to fix your javascript error11:38
evmpt: does http://poppy-dev.local/api/1.0/instances-count/?format=json&limit=365 work?11:42
davmor2ev: that or just don't use them :P11:43
mptev, I'm not going to count parentheses, but it looks right11:45
bigjoolscjwatson: ha, dist-upgrade shows 1988 packages to upgrade.  I am guessing my u-m bailed out very early :(11:45
evdavmor2: indeed :)11:45
bigjoolscjwatson: the question is, will it have missed important upgrade steps I need to care about?11:45
davmor2ev: just use lists always see how much havoc that causes instead ;)11:46
cjwatsonbigjools: probably not; I don't think there are many quirks in the precise-to-quantal upgrade as yet11:47
cjwatsonbigjools: you might want to ensure that all the PPAs you care about are enabled at the end of the upgrade11:48
bigjoolscjwatson: yeah, done that already, it's one of those automatic things you do after upgrades I guess11:48
cyphermoxpitti, no, dnsmasq-base is pulled in... there is something else; perhaps ifblacklist_migrate.sh isn't doing what it should well enough so the connections never come up; that would explain dnsmasq not starting11:49
* mpt winces at bug 94710711:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 947107 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "No partition labels in 12.04 partition wizard" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94710711:51
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evmpt: I've narrowed it down to just happening in Firefox. I'll figure it out after lunch.12:00
barrydoko via slangasek: are you looking at bug #1048710 or should i spend some time on that today?12:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048710 in python3.2 (Ubuntu) "Regression in argparse for Python 2.7, 3.2 and 3.3" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104871012:09
dokobarry, please go ahead, you already started the upstream issue =)12:09
barrydoko: k!12:10
xnoxmpt: I did add a comment to it, after I did some minimal test. But still needs more time.12:14
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roaksoaxdoko: lowering javascript-common to Suggests for lp #102027812:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1020278 in wwwconfig-common (Ubuntu) "[MIR] raphael" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102027812:47
roaksoaxwould be the fix, is that ok with you?12:47
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dokoroaksoax, sure, if it makes sense.13:01
roaksoaxdoko: /win 1313:03
roaksoaxerr soryr :)13:03
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dokoinfinity, ogra_ : https://launchpadlibrarian.net/115081690/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-armel.pdf2djvu_0.7.12-2ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ??13:36
dokocjwatson, cat is in the just rebuilt coreutils13:42
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cjwatsondoko: what?13:46
cjwatsonOh geez13:46
dokobut wait, this the pdf2djvu was built on friday, before the upload13:47
cjwatsondoko: Are you sure this isn't a toolchain regression?  I didn't touch cat at all13:47
dokono, if built on Friday, this was before the binutils and gcc uploads13:47
dokowhere does this message come from, kernel printf?13:48
dokorunning a 2.6.38 kernel13:49
micahgaren't some of the builders on precise?13:50
dobeyhrmm, how close to latest 3.6-rc kernel is the current quantal kernel?13:54
micahgI think quantal is on 3.5.313:54
cjwatsonGood question; I can't find that text in eglibc, which is where I expected to find it13:55
cjwatsonOh, libgcc maybe?13:55
dobeymicahg: do you know if 3.6-rc is packaged anywhere for precise?13:56
* micahg just sees quantal in the mainline dir, kernel team would probably know more13:57
cjwatsondoko: src/libgcc/config/arm/linux-atomic-64bit.c13:57
cjwatsonin gcc-4.713:57
* cjwatson neatly deflects blame13:59
* highvoltage is an expert at deflecting blame13:59
* highvoltage blames the education system for that13:59
dokocjwatson, ok, fsf 4.7.why do we see this only now?14:00
dokohmm, that's because we default to v514:01
ogra_is it even worth to put time into armel at all ?14:03
* ogra_ thinks we can count its lifetime in weeks anyway14:04
cjwatsonPersonally I like ports to die by explicit decision rather than by falling apart14:05
ogra_heh, true ... and fixing it will likely help debian ...14:05
ogra_though i wonder why we cant just take that decision instead of wasing time on it :)14:06
SpamapSbarry: any word on that python argparse regression?14:06
barrySpamapS: not yet, but working on it14:06
SpamapSbarry: ok. I have a slightly different failure case involving FileType.. but I think its basically the same problem.14:07
barrySpamapS: if you can boil it down, can you add it to the (launchpad) bug report and i'll at least check it?14:08
SpamapSbarry: yeah I am doing that right now14:08
SpamapSbarry: ok, test case posted to bug 104871014:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048710 in python3.2 (Ubuntu) "Regression in argparse for Python 2.7, 3.2 and 3.3" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104871014:12
slangaseksmoser: hi, did you see my pings over the weekend about testing the new mountall package in our iscsi cloud environment?14:15
slangasek(well, cloud-init)14:15
smoserslangasek, i mean to get to that today.14:20
slangaseksmoser: ok :)14:20
tkamppeterpitti, I have eliminated the foomatic-db build dependencies in both m2300w and ptouch-driver.14:22
pittitkamppeter: nice!14:23
evmpt: fixed: http://poppy-dev.local/ops/instances/14:23
evso yeah, 3,341 on the 7th. 1,651 on the 6th.14:23
evfor 12.1014:24
mpt3341 what?14:24
mptOh, right, the blue line14:25
mptSo, that's the beta 1 release14:25
mptbut why would that cause a spike, if we're dividing by the number of machines anyway?14:26
mptMaybe there's an influx of people trying previously-untested things?14:26
xnoxmpt: is there a correlation between a spike with # of machines upgrading to quantal?14:27
evlets see what the 90 day user count did that day14:27
mptI was thinking the division would remove that factor completely14:28
mptbut it will only completely remove it 90 days later14:28
mptThe first day, it removes only 1/90 of it14:28
mptor does it14:29
mptNo, we're dividing by the 90-day total, not by the last-90-days average14:29
evmpt: unique systems count for 12.10 was 20596 and 21612 for the 6th and 7th respectively14:29
mptA 5% increase14:30
smoserslangasek, to clear my memory... even if i have the moutnal fix, i'll still need some hacks though, right?14:31
mptev, but you know what, the #1 error is in ubiquity. What happens to the error rate if you ignore just that error?14:31
smoserbecause i need /run to be mounted (and mountall emitted) before cloud-init runs.14:31
mptI'm pretty sure it wasn't ubiquity yesterday, or the day before14:31
smoserho. wait, no. that will happen in parallel with your branch.14:31
evmpt: 551 and 565 for the 6th and 7th14:34
mptSo there's the spike explained. It's ubiquity.14:34
xnoxtoo many daily iso testers?!14:35
ogra_milestone testing :)14:35
evI'm not so sure14:36
evif you look at http://poppy-dev.local/bucket/?id=%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fubiquity%2Fbin%2Fubiquity%3AValueError%3Awatch_debconf_fd_helper%3Aprocess_input%3Await%3Acleanup%3Apreseed%3A%3Clambda%3E%3Acommand14:36
evit's been pretty high for a few days14:36
evsince the 25th14:37
evso surely that would make a longer spike14:37
ogra_hmm, somehow my .local domain is different from yours :P14:37
mptxnox, not nearly as many daily iso testers as beta 1 testers, that's all.14:38
evogra_: :)14:38
ogra_but milestone testing usually starts somewhere on the weekend and only ends on next thu ...14:38
xnoxev: what if you exclude ubiquity? (this is fiddling with numbers now)14:39
evxnox: exclude all ubiquity crashes?14:39
mptev, the general increase in instances since the 23rd is (mostly) matched by an increase in error rate too, so I think that's just Feature and UI Freezes14:41
xnoxev: that ValueError was high since forever =) see my last merge proposal to ubiquity, hopefully it will fix that.14:41
evyeah, could be14:41
evxnox: excellent14:41
evugh, how did I break the date range selection *again*?14:42
mptev, while you're there, use <input type="date"> for the date fields :-)14:42
xnoxev: open a reverse port forward. There is a juju charm to do that using a cloud instance =)14:43
mptoh, you already are14:43
evI did14:43
mptI wonder why it isn't showing a calendar14:43
evbecause Firefox is a pile of rusted bolts14:43
dokoinfinity, will you still merge clang and llvm-defaultgs?14:43
evxnox: will do14:44
evthough it'd probably be more helpful to just deploy to canonistack14:44
evso bdmurray can see trunk14:44
evand whomever else wants to hack on this14:44
xnoxtrue it can has public IP =)14:44
slangaseksmoser: shouldn't need any hacks that I can recall14:49
bdmurrayHow can I reset my compiz / unity settings back to default?  I think some setting is causing compiz to crash and respawn repeatedly14:50
ogra_bdmurray, unity --reset ?14:51
ogra_(not sure that still exists)14:51
bdmurrayogra_: I think it does but wasn't sufficient14:51
xnoxrumour has it --reset is broken15:01
didrockst's removed from trunk btw15:01
didrocksyeah, it's useless since the gsettings migration15:02
bdrungwhat's the preferred way to ping an archive admin to accept a package in -proposed?15:12
cjwatsonFor preference, ping one of ~ubuntu-sru instead15:13
cjwatson(I don't know)15:13
bdrungcjwatson: ping. can you accept ncurses in oneiric-proposed?15:14
bdrungit in the queue for 10 days15:14
cjwatsonI suppose I asked for that, but I'd rather one of the more regular SRU folks did it15:15
cjwatsonhm, though it's easy15:15
bdrungcjwatson: who belongs to the more regular SRU folks?15:16
ogra_ubuntu-sru ?15:16
cjwatsonbdrung: done now15:16
bdmurrayI think there is a daily schedule somewhere for the ubuntu-sru team15:17
bdrungogra_: the question was, who of the nine ubuntu-sru members are the more active ones.15:17
bdrungcjwatson: thanks15:18
ogra_bdrung, indeed the one with the highest karma *g*15:18
bdrungogra_: the karma just tell you how active someone is, but not how active in one specific team ;)15:19
ogra_details :P15:19
bdmurraybdrung: here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SRUTeamProcess15:22
bdrungskaet added a section about publishing the uploaded packages just some weeks ago.15:22
bdrungbdmurray: thanks. that list appeared on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates too. rechecking wiki pages for updates sometimes help. ;)15:23
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dokomvo, cjwatson: see bug #1048566, i386 only15:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048566 in hwloc (Ubuntu) "[1.4.1-4] want to uninstall the whole system" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104856615:26
cjwatsondoko: Thanks, I'll sort that out15:27
dokocjwatson, just curious, whats the reason for that?15:28
cjwatsonBreaks: libhwloc0 in libc6, added with the following changelog entry:15:29
cjwatson  * Remove the /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i486-linux-gnu.conf conffile on upgrade on15:29
cjwatson    i386, since it's no longer shipped and we should give consistent results15:29
cjwatson    on upgrade and install; and add a Breaks on the three library packages15:29
cjwatson    in lucid that used this path.15:29
cjwatsonBut libhwloc5 Provides: libhwloc015:29
dokoahh, ok15:29
cjwatsonThe fix is probably just to drop that Provides since nothing cares15:29
cjwatsonOr possibly actually to version the Breaks in libc615:30
cjwatsonThat might be nicer15:30
dokook, I can do that,15:30
dokoremoving the provides15:30
cjwatsonNo, on reflection I'd rather version the Breaks15:30
cjwatsonThat's more correct anyway I feel15:30
cjwatsonI'll just look up the right versions and such15:30
smoserslangasek, lp:ubuntu/mountall installed into a quantal "ephemeral image", then the 'start networking' hack removed from cloud-init-nonet.15:43
smoserkern.log at http://paste.ubuntu.com/1198891/15:43
micahg@pilot in15:44
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smoservirtual-fileysstems seems to have blocked until after cloud-init-nonet15:44
* mlankhorst is having fun bisecting nfs rootfs failures ;s15:45
barrySpamapS: i have a proposed patch in the upstream tracker, but there is a semantic issue that needs clarification before i can apply it upstream.  if others on python-dev agree with my analysis, i'll get this into the upstream branches, and patch the ubuntu packages.15:48
SpamapSbarry: \o/ thanks.. was not looking forward to working around it.15:50
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needhelp1 Hello all, im helping to pull some data for Ubuntu Beta releases and have a very short survey up on google documents found here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdSTUgzREoyeFZNSWRHSjlXMGYteGc6MQ    Anyone interested please take the survey and feel free to share the link. The results will be published in two weeks to the public domain.16:10
micahgcan someone please mark the following as WIP: https://code.launchpad.net/~alessandro-menti/ubuntu/precise/kile/fix-for-994498/+merge/118919 https://code.launchpad.net/~geoubuntu/ubuntu/precise/xmltv/1018756/+merge/11893516:20
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infinitydoko: Yeah, I should do the clang merge, despite FF.16:36
dokoinfinity, I'd like to start a test rebuild this week. so ...16:36
micahginfinity: there's an open FFe request on it16:37
* micahg wonders if powerpc will catch up by the time the rebuild is done :-/16:38
infinitydoko: Almost nothing build-deps on clang, I don't see that as a blocker.16:38
infinitymicahg: The rebuilds tend not to include PPC for capacity reasons.16:39
micahginfinity: I know, was making a point still :)16:39
dokoinfinity, but llvm-defaults ...16:40
* micahg thinks PPC has been chugging for a week straight16:40
infinitydoko: Oh, yeah, there's that.  I'll poke at it today.16:40
micahgstgraber: could you mark the MPs above for me please?16:47
stgrabermicahg: sure16:49
stgrabermicahg: done16:49
micahgstgraber: thanks16:49
highvoltage=/win last16:49
micahgcjwatson: can I leave Bug #433897 in your hands and unsubscribe sponsors?16:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 433897 in console-setup (Ubuntu Quantal) "at boot, the font is not set by the upstart job" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43389716:49
cjwatsonmicahg: Yes16:50
micahgcjwatson: thanks16:50
micahgrsalveti: since you're core-dev now, can I unsubscribe sponsors from Bug #1034734 and leave you to file any needed paperwork and/or upload?16:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1034734 in flash-kernel (Ubuntu) "flash-kernel shouldn't prompt the user when updating initramfs in case there's no valid /etc/fstab" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103473416:54
rsalvetimicahg: sure, thanks16:56
micahgrsalveti: thanks16:56
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slangaseksmoser: virtual-filesystems blocked> interesting; will look17:46
smoserthanks. i should point out that that boot was with a kernel/initramfs from precise.17:46
smoserand that currently my iscis root seems busted in quantal using quantal initramfs and kenrel (i think open-iscsi changed somehow)17:47
smoserdebugging that.17:47
smoserbut i doubt kernel/initramfs affected you17:47
adam_ghttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1199108/ <- is this error obvious to anyone? the same package installs fine and dandy on quantal, but often borks on precise17:49
cjwatsonadam_g: File collision between those two packages.  Either quantum-plugin-openvswitch-agent is supposed to be taking over a file from quantum-plugin-openvswitch in precise (in which case it needs a Replaces field and probably Breaks too; not Conflicts) or else this is an accident in which case remove the file from quantum-plugin-openvswitch-agent.17:55
cjwatsonSince those two packages have the same version I suspect you're accidentally installing it in both.17:55
infinitySomewhat telling that it appears to be a directory in one of the packages.17:56
infinityWhen the path certainly implies that it should be a binary.17:57
adam_gcjwatson: the only reference to that file is in quantum-plugin-openvswitch-agent.install: bin/quantum-openvswitch-agent usr/bin. but at some point somehow, a directory is created @ /usr/bin/quantum-openvswitch-agent/17:57
cjwatsonPoint me to the whole source package and I'll have a look.17:57
cjwatsonThe error message suggests that the bogus directory is in quantum-plugin-openvswitch, not in quantum-plugin-openvswitch-agent.17:58
cjwatsonSo I doubt quantum-plugin-openvswitch-agent.install is relevant.17:58
trismin the precise package quantum-plugin-openvswitch package: ./usr/bin/quantum-openvswitch-agent/quantum-openvswitch-agent but in quantum-plugin-openvswitch-agent it is in /usr/sbin/quantum-openvswitch-agent18:00
adam_gtheres a packaging branch at lp:~openstack-ubuntu-testing/quantum/quantal-folsom-proposed and a src pkg @ https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ubuntu-testing/+archive/folsom-trunk-testing/+files/quantum_2012.2%2Bgit201209102130~precise-0ubuntu1.dsc18:01
* cjwatson branches18:01
infinitybin/quantum-openvswitch-agent usr/bin/quantum-openvswitch-agent18:02
infinityFrom debian/quantum-plugin-openvswitch.install18:02
cjwatsonYour source package does not match your branch18:02
infinityThat's almost certainly not what you want.18:02
cjwatsonThe source package has the file infinity quotes18:02
cjwatsonOr rather that line in it18:03
cjwatsonThe branch does not18:03
adam_gwow, thanks18:05
adam_git was an issue of two packaging branches diverging on that one .install file, is all. thanks much18:07
slangaseksmoser: can you get a mountall --verbose log from this?18:13
smoserslangasek, yeah.18:18
smoserslangasek, well, second attempt got http://paste.ubuntu.com/1199190/ to kern.log18:28
smoser(and apparent "working".)18:28
smosermountall --verbose output seems to not get to my serial log when i do 'console=/dev/ttyS0' and '--verbose' added to the mountall job (exec mountall --verbose --daemon $force_fsck $fsck_fix)18:30
slangaseksmoser: ah, this doesn't seem to include the output from mountall itself though :)  maybe capture that output to /run/mountall.log and capture that file?18:30
smoseris /run guaranteed mounted ?18:31
slangaseksmoser: er... do you have an initramfs?18:31
smoserso, yeah.18:31
slangaseksmoser: yep. alternatively, comment out the 'console output' and pick it up from /var/log/upstart/mountall.log after boot (upstart will buffer)18:31
smoserslangasek, so is this not a bug that 'console output' does not infact get to console= kenrel param ?18:34
slangaseksmoser: probably18:34
smoserslangasek, well this stinks.18:36
smoseri can't make it fail like that original log i sent.18:37
slangasekNOTABUG ;)18:37
smoserdo you see anything in that log that would indicate i just did something wrong ?18:37
smoseri guess th emountall changes did make this more potentially racey18:38
smoserbut previously it was always fail or pass18:38
smoserok. well i think the thing to do here, as this seems to be "fixed" is to go on, assuming i made a mistake originally.18:39
smoserand see if i cant get more clean reproducing of it.18:40
slangaseksmoser: I didn't see anything in the log that pointed to a problem; if you *can* reproduce it again, and only intermittently, I think it's probably a bug in my mountall code18:43
slangaseksmoser: so... I would like to know if it's reproducible; maybe only reproducible with mountall --verbose disabled :/18:44
smosernah. thats not it.18:44
smosercause i can't reproduce it at all18:44
smoserbut ther eis a bug in console output18:44
smoserupstart definitely stops writing to /dev/console at some point in boot18:45
smoserwhich makes collecting output like this difficult18:45
dokoLaney, were you caring about mono, and could have a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/banshee-community-extensions/2.4.0-1ubuntu2 ?18:51
dokoNBS issue18:51
smosersbeattie, you have a minute? or jdstrand it seems like my http://paste.ubuntu.com/1199239/ isn't right.18:51
smoseras it results in dmesg like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1199242/18:52
micahgwhy does pkgbinarymangler copy Enhances lines?18:54
alexbligh1what is the approved way to produce an autoconf/automake package that also builds on (e.g.) Lucid where there is no dh_autoreconf, assuming the products of autoreconfig are not in the source package?18:55
micahgalexbligh1: in archive or PPA?18:56
alexbligh1micahg, currently for me, but would like to be in universe (guacamole)18:56
alexbligh1(does not build on Lucid)18:56
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micahgalexbligh1: unless you're pushing to the lucid main archive (-updates/-security), dh-autoreconf is in lucid-backports18:57
alexbligh1micahg, oh sorry, I want it to build without the user having to install dh-autoreconf etc. if possible.18:57
micahgalexbligh1: hrm?  it's a build time dependency18:58
alexbligh1what I'm asking is 'how did this used to work?'18:58
alexbligh1yeah I want to make it not a build time dependency :-)18:58
tumbleweedalexbligh1: why should the usres care about build time dependencies?18:59
micahgyou can read the manpage to see what it does, but I don't see why it matters18:59
tumbleweedhow it used to work involved a fair amount of pain (if you want to be able to clean up again)18:59
dokoroaksoax, see component-mismatches again, now zui3 pops up recommending javascript-common ...18:59
sbeattiesmoser: hrm, not sure. what happens when you run the apparmor_parser on /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.dhcpd directly (e.g. sudo apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.dhcpd)?19:00
Laneydoko: weird. hyperair: ^^^ ?19:01
alexbligh1tumbleweed, micahg hmmm, just trying to make it easy to build from source but maybe lucid-backports is the way to go. I am taking it that then 'dh --with autoreconf' will work without also having to use debhelper >= 8.0? (I had assumed these were liked)19:01
tumbleweedthey aren't linked19:01
smosersbeattie, it exits zero19:01
dokoLaney, hyperair? I did make the rebuild because of the updated libtaglib-cil19:01
roaksoaxdoko: taking care of it now19:02
alexbligh1tumbleweed, fair enough, sounds like lucid-backports is the way to go then.19:02
smoser[  994.961021] type=1400 audit(1347390084.089:18): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" name="/usr/sbin/dhcpd" pid=666 comm="apparmor_parser19:02
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sbeattiesmoser: yep, that's cool, just making sure it didn't report an error19:03
smoserok so it seems maybe ijust *thought* it was complaining.19:03
smosersbeattie, what do you think about  my selection of '#include' filename there?19:03
smoseris there a better conventional name than usr.sbin.dhcpd.d ?19:04
sbeattiesmoser: I think the name itself is okay, was just trying to determine if there was a better location (subdir) for that directory19:05
sbeattiesmoser: though I guess apache2.d is top level as well.19:06
sbeattiesmoser: I guess you could just call it dhcpd.d based on the apache2.d precedent19:07
smoserthat is what jdstrand suggested19:08
smoserbut it seemed strange to me to have a 'usr.sbin.dhcp', local/usr.sbin.dhcp, and then just 'dhcpd.d'19:08
smoserbut i'm good with that.19:08
smoseri'll test that it seems to do what i think it does. thanks.19:08
sbeattiesmoser: yeah, that inconsistency bugs me a little, having them in the toplevel /etc/apparmor.d/ directory bugs me as well.19:11
bdrungcjwatson: ncurses still appears on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=119:17
infinitybdrung: Accepted.19:28
infinitybdrung: Looks like Colin ran the fancy "tell the bug about it" script, but forgot to actually accept.19:28
infinitycjwatson: ^19:28
bdrunginfinity: thanks19:29
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smoserstgraber, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/quantal/isc-dhcp/maas-lp1049177/+merge/123815 is my isc-dhcp changes.19:30
stgrabersmoser: thanks19:30
cjwatsoninfinity: er, that's confusing.  I definitely typed the queue command ...19:35
cjwatsonbut I no longer have that terminal open.19:35
infinitycjwatson: Curious.19:35
smoserslangasek, so are you thinking you're going to upload mountall?19:35
cjwatsonshould probably make sru-accept do it all.19:35
smoseri'll give it a quick test here in lxc container too, which would be a nice fix.19:36
infinitycjwatson: And yeah, sru-accept should do it all.  Which would have the advantage of being able to remove the silliness about versions and bugs.19:36
infinitycjwatson: Since we could examine the .changes in the queue and pull those two things.19:36
infinityAnd it could helpfully error the heck out if it finds multiple copies of $source in $queue.19:38
infinityI'd probably pay beer for that feature.19:38
infinityGood beer.19:38
infinityFancy stuff, made by monks.19:38
stgrabersmoser: I'm still in the middle of regression testing my next bridge-utils upload, but I think I'll have enough time left to start poking at isc-dhcp today (maybe even upload it if I'm lucky)19:38
micahg@pilot out19:44
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micahgfabo: so the qemu-linaro stuff doesn't get lost, I unsubscribed sponsors since we can't upload yet, but you'll need to fill out the FFe paperwork since we're past feature freeze19:47
micahgfabo: and then subscribe ubuntu-release19:47
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Laneydoko: wtf, it built fine locally and then on the buildd when given back19:59
* Laney plays the x-files theme19:59
Laneyskew with banshee?19:59
smoserstgraber, i moved https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/quantal/isc-dhcp/maas-lp1049177/+merge/123815 from ubuntu-devel to you20:01
smoserto avoid the chance that someone just thinks its easy andthey'll take it20:02
stgrabersmoser: cool, thanks20:02
stgrabersmoser: branch looks good, merged20:05
dokoLaney, maybe, that was uploaded before20:05
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mlankhorstcjwatson: can you remove nomodeset in recovery from grub-common? :-)21:00
smoserslangasek, more info in bug 1031065 on mountall fix21:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1031065 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-init-nonet runs 'start networking' explicitly" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103106521:04
stgrabermlankhorst: it's there on purpose21:06
stgrabermlankhorst: IIRC I even added a warning saying that the resume option won't quite work for these using kms and that a full reboot would be required in such case21:07
mlankhorststgraber: yes and right now it will be even more harmful to keep the nomodeset since no driver really tests that path any more and we could always force a fallback to modesetting driver before vesa21:08
stgrabermlankhorst: maybe slangasek or cjwatson will remember better than I do, but I believe the problem was that on some systems you couldn't get to friendly-recovery unless you were in text mode21:09
stgrabermlankhorst: so it was decided that having friendly-recovery working was more important than having the resume boot function working21:10
mlankhorstwell maybe drm could be taught to pick up on noaccel instead21:11
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cjwatsonmlankhorst: I've got an idea, how about the X team agree on this? :-)  It's there because bryceh and RAOF asked for it21:17
cjwatsonNow admittedly that predates the modesetting driver, but still, sort it out among yourselves ;-)21:17
mlankhorstoh should be easy then21:19
mlankhorsttoo tired, ill try tomorrow21:19
cjwatsonit was two UDSes ago I think21:22
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dobeyanyone around who knows about langpacks and translations?21:52
dobeyinfinity: do you? :)21:54
dobeyso upstream has translations included, which weren't before, and i want to make sure i'm doing the dh_translations and packaging correctly for something where the translations end up in the langpacks21:59
hyperairhmm it doesn't look like bce actually requires taglib-sharp.22:12
hyperairon the other hand, i broke the pc files in taglib-sharp22:12
hyperairah hang on, -2 should be right22:13
Laneyit does, but it's fixed22:13
Laneyapart from armel22:13
hyperairlooks like a mono bug.22:13
hyperairit says internal mono exception.22:13
hyperairsorry, internal compiler error22:14
dobeyhi jbicha22:16
jbichadobey: hi22:17
hyperairah, bce doesn't really require new taglib, but banshee's .pc requires it.22:17
hyperairhence the builddep.22:18
dobeyjbicha: did you see my new mail to ubuntu-doc today? wondering what you think of that22:18
hyperairdoko: are you handling the rest of the taglib-sharp rebuilds?22:18
dobeyhrmm, wonder if i should just upload this now as i have it, or wait for someone more knowledgeable about how langpacks/translations work in ubuntu to come along so i can bug them22:21
jbichadobey: I +1'd the logo tweak if it'll land soon :)22:23
dobeyjbicha: yeah. it's a new source package so will be a little bit more than a simple upload. but should have it uploaded in the morning. thanks22:24
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dobeyit is unfortunately past my EOD at this point, so i really need to go right now though. :(22:25
jbichathat's fine22:26
hyperairLaney: so now that we've gotten the gconf issues out of the way, i can has banshee FFe?22:28
Laneyif you forward it to gconf upstream then I will upload it and then yes22:28
dokohyperair, Laney: I don't think there are any more22:45
hyperairdoko: there aren't? okay then22:45
dokonot according to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html22:45
hyperairLaney: honestly this bug looks like it should be marked as high priority. could we just upload the patch while waiting for upstream to ack it?23:00
hyperair(i've forwarded it already)23:00
Laneyi didn't ask for them to ack it23:00
* hyperair doesn't want to see more duplicates of this bug report.23:01
Laney"if you forward it"23:01
hyperairokay i've forwarded it, so hurry up and upload it already. =D23:01
Laneyi'll look at it tomorrow.23:01
Laney(or get someone else here to do it now)23:01
* hyperair goes back to sleep23:01
Laneyajmitch is around :-)23:01
* hyperair grumbles.23:01
hyperairi've got another half an hour of sleep to catch before i have to get to work23:02
ajmitchLaney: ajmitch is working in between commenting on irc :)23:02
infinityLaney: Where are you seeing armel/mono issues?23:02
Laneyinfinity: on the banshee-community-extensions build23:03
Laneyhyperair: alright I'll do it now, just for you23:03
infinityLaney: I'd give good odds that rebuilding the sad packages on a machine with a precise kernel will work.23:03
* infinity looks.23:03
Laneyinfinity: Did they not all get upgraded already?23:03
Laneygoing go to with 'no'23:03
infinityLaney: No.  I'm harassing people harder to get it done.23:03
Laneydo we know which ones are good, then?23:05
infinityLaney: caph, iara, sigbin.23:05
infinityLaney: Retrying right now.23:05
Laneycaph got it, so fingers crossed23:05
infinityYes, that was intentional. :P23:05
infinityLaney: We do output uname at the top of the build logs, so no need to guess.23:06
infinityLaney: With either weird compiler confusion, or the lovely "this kernel is too old" message, checking the log for the kernel used and blaming natty if it's not 3.2.0 is always a good first step. :P23:07
infinityLaney: (But I really do hope they all get upgraded by the end of the week and I can stop caring)23:07
infinityLaney: Or, anything that vaguely relates to atomics.23:07
LaneyNot caring would be good23:07
Laneyhyperair: it is up23:07
infinityLaney: (Which is actually what mono fails on more than not23:07
Laneynow where's that FFe?23:08
infinityLaney: Debian armel is going to have this exact same issue when they move to gcc-4.7 without updating all the buildd kernels, I really hope we can get all our ducks in a row on that.23:08
infinityLaney: (Basically, gcc-4.7 or, in our case, 4.6+ (because we use some backported pathces) use kernel helpers to emulate some armv7 bits for homogenous atomic fun, so both armel ports explode miserably on this if the kernel is too old (>>3.1) to support that)23:09
infinityarmhf, luckily, is fine, since it's armv7 by default, so doesn't invoke the helpers.23:10
infinityLaney: Of course, this build failure could just be mono being generally sad, but I'm betting not.23:11
LaneyNo, I think we had it with something else before23:11
Laneylooks like wheezy will have a good enough kernel, so Debian should (be able to be) alright23:12
infinityYeah, I didn't bother to read the log, I'm just assuming it's atomics.23:12
infinityIf it fails on caph, I'll look more closely.23:12
infinityLaney: wheezy's kernels are fine, but the buildds may well not all be running them.23:12
infinityLaney: But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, it only starts mattering in jessie.23:12
Laneywill armel matter for that long?23:13
infinityGiven that Debian would like to suppose pre-v7 hardware, I'd say so.23:13
infinitysupport, too.23:13
infinityStupid fingers.23:13
infinityI'm sure we'll drop armel in Debian "some day", but that day's certainly not now, there's a ton of v5 and v6 stuff with retail availability still.23:14
infinityLaney: Yep, looks like that fixed it.23:22
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