[06:48] mornin' all [07:08] morning [07:11] morning pretties [07:12] Want one now: http://www.nexcrea.com/video/ [07:12] Looks vaporwareish [07:13] Oh yes MartijnVdS - it isn't real now. [07:13] That's not the point though. ;-) [07:14] agreed, it looks nice [07:15] It'll need a octacore 3Ghz ARM processor, 8G of RAM and a minimum of 64G of storage to be really usable in all those configuration ;-) [07:15] And an *amazing* battery [07:19] what happens if you lose your phone? [07:19] none of your computers tablets and TVs works any more? [07:19] sounds like a good idea [07:20] Don't lose it then. [07:20] have it implanted [07:20] what if you want a iPad, and android phone, a sony TV and a asus laptop? [07:21] "sorry you can't you have to buy all of them from us" [07:21] That's an Apple sales strategy. [07:21] yeah and even apple is not razy enough to try this [07:22] As it is Android & Ubuntu you can chose to use different h/w and sync via any cloud system of your choice. [07:22] you could make the screens etc. conform to a common standard [07:22] Make the connectors "standard" then lots of manufacturers can play :-) [07:23] yeah, fair enough [07:23] connectors? make it wireless :) [07:23] they have ageneric docking station [07:23] yeah it really should be wireless [07:23] if we're blue-skying anyway.. [07:23] Fair point. [07:23] and while you're at it, how about putting a CPU in the docking station as well, so it can work without the phone [07:23] and it becomes dual-core when you add the phone? [07:23] yes [07:24] Everything stored "in the cloud" so you don't have to worry about that? [07:24] The phone would need to be at least quad already I reckon. [07:24] why? [07:24] So it would be as usable as my S3 :-) [07:28] S3 ViRGE? [07:36] keiran, ping [07:36] KScully, ping [07:59] Morning all [08:16] Good morning, angels! :-D [08:17] JamesTait: Good morning Charlie! [08:17] 8-) [08:17] Some people seem to get up so late! [08:17] * JamesTait is more of a night owl. [08:18] * MartijnVdS has been up since 7:30 [08:18] Hey, me too! [08:19] 6:15 here, just have to do the school run etc before work :) [08:19] I set my alarm for 7:00, though, and drive my wife batty hitting snooze. :-P [08:19] 5:45 here [08:20] Our alarm is 06:15 but I am usually awake before it. [08:20] I don't think the school run counts as an excuse to get up at such a scary time. I did the school run on my bike twice before work this morning - one of my boys forgot his lunch bag. [08:21] hah JamesTait, and it's not scary.. my boys wake me up.. not a lot of choice :) [08:21] I could think of a few "choice" words I might use if my boys woke me up at that time. :-P [08:22] They are only 4 & 5, the younger one would quite happily sleep in === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:23] Mine are 8 and 5, and I think it's the younger one who normally wakes the older one up. [08:23] Although I can never be totally sure. They're a sneaky pair at times. ;) [08:24] heh [08:24] GOOD MORNING [08:25] i am having One of Those Mornings... [08:25] howdy christel [08:25] christel: "one of those morning"? [08:25] just sat down at my desk and realised i'd made 3 separate mugs of coffee in the space of 20 minutes [08:25] one is now cold, one is lukewarm and one is hot hot hot [08:25] not quite sure where i left my brain [08:25] Buongiorno, christel! [08:25] lol [08:25] JamesTait: \o/ [08:25] * TheOpenSourcerer has had 3 large mugs already... Can feel #4 coming up. [08:26] christel: time for coffee ;) [08:26] TheOpenSourcerer: ah but you are probably sensible enough to drink them rather than put them down to go make another one! :P [08:26] Indeed I am christel :-D [08:26] christel: maybe you need sugar first? [08:28] hehe [08:28] i think i need a jump start indeed! [08:29] Hi folks [08:29] hiya hoover :) [08:30] fingers crossed... rebooting a remote server with a new dhcp config... ;-) [08:30] hey christel [08:30] right... work time, see you later fellas :D [08:30] Have fun Monotoko [08:30] have fun indeed! [08:30] and dhcp... urgh ._. my routers DHCP broke so I have a box sat next to it that does it now [08:30] yay, it's back up! ;-) [08:30] hoover: that's the scarey :) [08:31] This went better than expected, considering I also removed a previous 70-persistent-net.rules udev file ;-) [08:31] the scarier bit is when you're remotely rebooting :P [08:31] and it just... doesn't come back [08:31] exactly... the machine has ilo, but it's not connected 8P [08:32] Ok, now on to updating virtualbox [08:34] Hm. I seem to have lost the "Desktop Size" setting in 12.10's ccsm. Anyone know where it's gone? [08:42] http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/resources/case-studies/capgemini-bpo-deploys-hybrid-thin-client-solution-ubuntu-adva folks might find this an intersting read [08:47] Good morning peeps :) [08:47] Anyone recommend a good tutorial for a mail server on 12.04 that they have used ? [08:49] diplo: what sort of mail server? [08:50] diplo: We've been using Zentyal for a while - easy to use, manage and set up. Runs atop of Ubuntu. [08:50] I found the quickest way to get a box sending out email was to install exim and use the ncursers interface to set it up [08:51] bigcalm: ++ [08:51] But that might not be what you actually want *shrug* :) [08:53] can anyone suggest what channel it is best to ask DNS questions? (godaddy fallout...) [08:53] trying to understand how you are meant to work around the registrar (rather than just name servers) not being available [08:53] since I understand that's part of what happened yesterday [08:54] exim? Ew. [08:55] But any of the smtpds should Just Work on installation as far as sending mail goes; is that all you're after? [08:58] Sorry out making cuppa [08:58] BigRedS: for my vps [08:59] Zentyal I'm looking at for work, but won't be suitable for my vps, was thinking postfix/dovecot setup.. is that what most people use ? [08:59] It's the same on virtual hardware and on real hardware :) [08:59] Are you wanting virtual mailboxes for incoming mail? [08:59] * bigcalm offers christel a mug of coffee [08:59] are you just after working outbound mail? Are you happy to have a unix user per mailbox? [08:59] I think so, I'd like to see how others have set up [08:59] I wrote this: https://github.com/BigRedS/postfixadmin-installer [08:59] It's going to be very low traffic and max of probably 30 mailboxes [08:59] which is badly written but appears to work [08:59] * diplo looks [09:00] bigcalm: WHY THANK YOU I SHALL ADD IT TO MY COLLECTION [09:00] for virtual mailboxes in Postfix/Dovecot with Postfixadmin for a GUI to manage it [09:00] :D [09:00] managing your own email kinda sucks [09:00] * BigRedS concurs [09:00] christel: drink them all and bounce off the walls [09:00] ( /me manages other people's mail ) [09:00] BigRedS: sorry to hear that :( [09:00] :P [09:00] mattt: Not as much as GoDaddy going down [09:00] :P [09:00] bigcalm: i am! [09:00] good morning everyone. [09:01] they still having issues? [09:01] brobostigon \o/ [09:01] They did last night, mine is back up this morning [09:01] christel o/ [09:01] But I'm paying two bills atm and want everything moved to the VPS asap [09:01] mattt: other people's mail is much better than your own mail :) [09:02] Woo! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitchhikers-Guide-Galaxy-Complete-Series/dp/0563504196 arrived! [09:02] Also need to work out how to use Bitfolks spamassasin setup [09:02] MartijnVdS: woop :) [09:03] bitfolk any good? [09:03] yeah, well I've had no issues at all [09:06] brobostigon: 14 CDs! [09:06] diplo: i think i must have tried everyone but (linode, slicehost, rackspace, ec2, digital ocean, etc.) [09:07] MartijnVdS: :) [09:10] diplo, its documented on their wiki [09:10] i used to use it, but switched to gmail [09:11] the bitfolk one? popey, i've just opened Roberts one if you mean that ? [09:18] BigRedS: Whats the reason of using your script over apt-geting postfixadmin ? [09:33] czajkowski: do you know more about the cap gemini thing? [09:34] AlanBell: only the link sorry its one of the case studies [09:34] ok [09:35] would be curious how they intend to do Unity to a thin client [09:37] magic! [09:41] server side llvmpipe? [09:41] use the 3d accelleration of the client somehow? [09:42] or is it a carefully worded case study and they are actually just using it to run citrix to windows terminal services [09:46] AlanBell: wow you're a pessimist! [09:48] thats an option [09:49] don't mean it in a pessimist way, it is just a bit vauge about whether it is Ubuntu that is being delivered to thin clients as a hosted desktop, or a fat install of ubuntu that is connecting to other hosted desktops [09:50] or a hosted ubuntu deliverd to windows CE thin clients and hosted thin sessions to other windows things which makes even less sense [09:50] and quite where unity fits into this is interesting [09:53] diplo: we run Debian [09:53] the postfixadmin package doesn't do all the configuring for you, either [09:53] there is a ubuntu package for a pma server, though, now I think of it [09:54] or at least something similar [09:54] but if you apt-get install postfixadmin you still need to make Postfix and Dovecot talk to the DB [09:54] ugh, postfix [09:54] * Monotoko shudders [09:54] haha [09:55] I took the easy way... I use virtualmin :P [09:55] MTAs are the new text editor [09:55] I'll take a look then thanks [09:55] after days and days of trying to get postfix to conform [09:55] virtualmin uses postfix [09:55] I know, but it configures it automatically :P [09:57] saying that though, I do need to configure a basic inbox on an amazon AMI soon -.- [09:58] Morning all [09:58] mornin' [10:01] davmor2: ello [10:01] anyone elses skype icon changed..... [10:02] skype keeps crashing on me in Linux :( [10:02] add a contact - crash, open settings - crash, try to talk to someone - crash [10:03] it only crashes once when I video skype [10:03] then reboot and it;s fine [10:03] it's a mind of its own [10:03] but I also *need* it [10:05] czajkowski: morning prod and a hug just cause [10:06] heh cheers [10:09] * popey needs some help with testing [10:09] "make test" [10:09] popey: what do you need tested? [10:09] a font [10:10] I have lots of fonts! :) [10:10] :) [10:18] hmm my little envelope indicator is gone [10:18] bugger [10:19] heh... it's not as bad as it was in the 8.04 days :P [10:19] you keep losing it! [10:19] things just used to vanish and reappear a few reboots later :') [10:19] well this is 12.10 [10:19] so I dont mind as much [10:19] it's just unusal [10:22] czajkowski: if it's any consolation, 12.10 is generally Just Working for me :) [10:22] except for my not working out a way of rearranging my workspaces [10:22] christel: czajkowski lost it years ago [10:22] BigRedS: it's working fine also here. I just noticed skype went away and now reinstalled it, and my envelope thingymagiggy is gone [10:23] pft. I refuse to believe you're not having any problems :) [10:23] I do like the default of 4 workspaces I use them every day [10:23] yeah, I just like them all in a line [10:23] BigRedS: just imagine me and the language and then it's very easy to see [10:23] BigRedS: ah I dont I like up down and over :) [10:23] else I forget two of them exist and lose apps... [10:24] is there some special magic you need to do to allow rhythmbox to sync to android devices? [10:24] MTP? [10:25] I plug it in and it connects and shows up in rhythmbox (and says MPT connect on the phone) [10:25] popey: not working for me using jellybean and ubuntu [10:25] but sync with library is greyed out and I can't drag stuff onto it [10:25] AlanBell: is it jellybean ? [10:25] no [10:25] not even ICS [10:25] ah ok differnet issue [10:25] can you make it mount in 'not mtp' mode? [10:25] it used to work pefectly for me [10:25] because they won't do over the air upgrades and I can't get kies to work [10:26] AlanBell: are you on quantal there? [10:26] popey: yes, just tried that, still won't let me put stuff on it [10:26] shows up as 12gb usb drive rather than music player [10:26] davmor2: yes [10:26] can you fudge it with the special file you put in the root? [10:27] there is a fault with all music players I think there is an issue with the detector I pointed it out to pitti the other day I'll chase up with him [10:27] .is_audio_player is a file you can put on the device which rb and other players find [10:27] http://almost-a-technocrat.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/isaudioplayer.html [10:30] fudging it makes little difference [10:30] right... need some coffee before moving all my domains away from GoDaddy [10:31] * AlanBell won't bother moving from godaddy [10:31] well, I'm moving my DNS hosting [10:32] not the actual domains [10:32] been meaning to get my own bind9 server up for some time [10:32] cool [10:34] if you are on quantal, could you test this:- [10:34] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sil2100/fonts [10:34] sudo apt-get update [10:34] sudo apt-get upgrade [10:34] you should get a new font package which adds the "medium" weight [10:34] this breaks some things, but I don't know the full scope [10:34] I think it's mostly limited to qt apps such as vlc, skype and mumble [10:35] would appreciate some testing to find others! [10:35] e.g. in vlc the preferences pane is all in bold === mungojerry is now known as Guest5970 [10:35] who uses Qt apps anyway :P [10:35] * MartijnVdS adds ppa [10:36] "picard" (music tagger) is in semi-bold [10:36] it's a qt app [10:36] http://www.the-crown-london.co.uk/ [10:37] vlc as well [10:37] http://www.imbibe-bar.com/garden.php [10:37] it's not quite bold.. maybe it's the new "medium" font? [10:37] are two pubs that have been suggested for the release party [10:40] MartijnVdS, any chance you can get before/after screenshots? [10:40] uhh [10:41] too late [10:41] I can get "after" now.. [10:41] you can revert back the font [10:41] or just remove the M font files [10:41] in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ubuntu-font-family [10:41] * MartijnVdS downgrades [10:43] AlanBell: Not sure if suggestions are still open, but The George is very nice and not far from the Blue Fin building [10:43] Is The Crown the old boxing pub on the corner of the Cut? [10:45] popey: before: http://imagebin.org/227996 [10:45] BigRedS: suggestions still very much open [10:45] no idea where the crown is [10:45] popey: after: http://imagebin.org/227997 [10:46] thanks [10:47] AlanBell: yeah, George is nice, just off Borough High St, down towards te shard [10:47] has a courtyard off the road, several ales. Proud of being old and/or having a shakespeare connection [10:47] I havent been for five years, though [10:47] i've been there recently [10:47] to use the toilet :P [10:47] used to be our defaul for work drinks [10:48] i can vouch for the toilet [10:48] haha [10:48] it's quite clean [10:48] blimey, it even has its own wikipedia page [10:48] Oh, the connection is Dickens, not Shakespeare [10:50] BigRedS: http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?George,_SE1_1NH ? [10:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_George_Inn,_Southwark [10:50] same one [10:51] yeah [10:57] Is there a way to search Launchpad for stuff written in a given language? [10:57] I'm wondering if I'm yet good enough at Perl to help other people, but everything's written in Python these days [10:57] \o/ python [10:57] I found a script for it once, but it seems like the sort of thing that might be hidden away in a web UI... [10:58] (a python script, no less. :) ) [10:58] a python script to search for perl projects? [10:59] BigRedS: maybe just search by date [10:59] ie, "projects last updated 15 years ago" [10:59] may turn up a perl project [11:01] * mattt realizes that wasn't a very helpful answer [11:05] guys, if i wanna remove the ubuntu scrollbars is it safe to remove overlay-scrollbar package, and that's it? [11:06] mattt: :) [11:12] BigRedS: perl is a write-only language anyway [11:12] nobody is good enough at perl to work on another developer's perl code [11:14] oimon: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface ubuntu-overlay-scrollbars false [11:15] oimon: that way you don't remove the ubuntu-desktop package [11:15] does that actually work now? [11:15] AlanBell, thanks. trying that. think i need to logout now [11:16] AlanBell, i can confirm it works,. ta [11:16] here's a question: how do you tell a list can be scrolled, if the scrollbar is hidden? [11:17] it's not hidden though, is it? [11:17] there's a slim thingy [11:18] hmm, there's a side effect which is that it always shows a scoll bar even even it doesn't need to [11:18] in terminal for example [11:18] i see no scrollbar in terminal [11:18] until there is something to scroll [11:19] i've disabled the ubuntu overlay jobby though [11:19] in other OSs it's hidden all the time === punked- is now known as pinky- [12:35] I'm used to not being able to save attachments opened in Libre Office, but this now doesn't seem to want to let me zoom... === nothingspecial is now known as Not === Not is now known as nothingspecial [13:43] owncloud just saved my bacon [13:44] so i had a bacon sandwich to celebrate [13:44] mungojerry, i installed owncloud on a server at home [13:44] no idea what to do next :) [13:45] colleague killed the hard drive on my pc [13:45] popey: use it :D [13:45] Documents folder saved phew [13:45] and my keepass file... [13:46] popey, you can also lin together external cloud storage accounts into your owncloud [13:46] like U1 and dropbox? [13:47] yesh [13:47] or maybe a paid owncloud provider too [13:48] how? [13:49] ownCloud currently supports: Amazon S3, Dropbox, FTP, Google Drive, OpenStack Swift, SMB, and WebDAV. Local file storage can also be mounted that is outside of your ownCloud’s data directory [13:50] go to apps and enable external storage support [13:51] " it is relatively easy to add support for other services if they provide an API." [13:59] more details here http://blog.gapinthecloud.com/2012/06/10/configuring-external-storage-for-owncloud/ [14:00] but i am missing a step since it aint showing for me [14:08] bug 690080 [14:08] Launchpad bug 690080 in libmatthew-java (Debian) "Manifest problem in libmatthew-java" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690080 [14:08] bug 689080 [14:08] Launchpad bug 689080 in Zeitgeist Data-Sources "Vim datasource results in error when editing files remotely" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689080 === alexander is now known as Guest43751 === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [16:06] what exactly is U1 music streaming? [16:07] music [16:07] ok let me put the question a different way [16:07] ali1234: music that you buy that is streamed to stuff like phones [16:08] if i don't pay £3.99 a month extra for "music streaming" what exactly prevents me from streaming the music in U1? [16:08] considering that there is absolutely no difference between streaming and downloading [16:09] music streaming = access to the music streaming api. you could write a client that uses the syncing api but loose things like server side search [16:09] is that just meta data search? [16:09] i dunno [16:10] ID3 tags and such [16:10] i suppose that would be useful [16:10] i think the streaming api converts also, though i may be making that up [16:10] ali1234: streaming it mean that you don't fill up your phones memory with music tracks it is streamed like youtube [16:10] also, is it possible to link to albums and songs in the store yet? [16:11] davmor2: youtube downloads the whole video you know [16:11] into the firefox cache === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:12] ali1234: indeed but once you close it it goes away ie you get it back if you play a second track the memory from the first is freed up etc [16:12] it doesn't actually [16:12] the videos hang around in the cache for a long time [16:12] anyway, there's no reason this cannot be implemented using the syncing API as gord said [16:14] http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/ffcache.py [16:14] ^ use that to rip flash video from firefox cache [16:14] and various other formats === cking_ is now known as cking === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [18:08] 'night all! [18:08] * JamesTait waves [18:08] howdy [18:15] * MartijnVdS plays with ebtables [18:18] anyone know a good bitcoin miner [18:20] xr1rr: depends on hardware [18:22] Nvidia, I know they not the best - far from, just want to try and setup and see how it works [18:24] xr1rr: laptop or desktop? [18:24] which nvidia? [18:25] desktop, I got hold of a, NVIDIA Tesla graphic card [18:47] xr1rr: I dunno how well that will perform, perhaps try phoenix [18:55] ...Hulllo? [18:55] ...Ah, maybe some other time. Night! [18:56] evening Toby [18:56] !hello | Toby [18:56] no hello? :< [19:05] if something is for sale at £0.00 on a website do they have to honour it? (i guess not) [19:06] oimon: nope [19:08] thought so :D [19:08] i remember a well known case of argos and a £30 telly [19:15] night all [20:04] A program about VI kings on BBC HD.. but no editor in sight! [20:11] something is chewing up my drive. [20:11] got a notice there was 1.1GB left, went for dinner and now got another saying 500mb [20:11] Any way I can see what is using so much? [20:12] hmmm... just opened sys monitor and can see it ticking down [20:12] probably a log in /var ? [20:12] maybe use disk space analyzer? [20:12] could be something in your home spinning and putting a log in a .local directory [20:16] down to 380mb now :/ [20:17] I dont even do much on my pc, I have most things on my server, just running xchat, email and netbeans really [20:17] /var/log had kbs of logs [20:19] lol [20:19] popey: found the problem [20:20] ? [20:20] I closed my terminal (terminator) that had ~20 ssh sessions open to ~5 server all running innotop/htop/iotop etc. [20:20] instantly have 15GB again [20:33] popey: did you hear about the guy who made a 10k btc bet that pirate would pay? XD [20:40] Azelphur, matthew? [20:40] yea [20:40] did you hear he ragequit bitcoin xD [20:41] because he lost the bet [20:41] yes [20:41] xD [20:41] i don't think there was ever any possibility either would pay out [20:42] fun fun [21:14] Anyone recommend anything besides cheese for video recording? [21:14] Cheese records at like 0.1fps or less for me [21:14] guvcview [21:22] can we release Ubuntu Muslim Edition today on 9/11 ? [21:23] ಠ_ಠ [21:27] :-/ [21:31] are we ever going to teach them to use dd/mm like the rest of the planet? [21:33] I think that requires a proper invasion [21:35] just revoke the declaration of independence [21:48]