[13:26] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: Is there a package like ubuntustudio-full that installs ALL Ubuntu Studio packages when upgrading from Ubuntu desktop?
[13:27] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: I don't believe so
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Ow man
[13:30] <ailo-w> Raining elephants and giraffes. I don't have an umbrella. This will get ugly
[13:30] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i have mentioned before that i think we should consider including this functionality in -controls possibly, although i believe installing ubuntustudio-desktop might accomlish this as well
[13:30] <smartboyhw> OH scott-work hi
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Well alright:)
[13:34] <micahg> scott-work: I don't believe that currently works in quantal (install desktop pulls in all tasks), a new metapackage could be added to the ubuntustudio-meta to accomplish this, kubuntu used to have a kubuntu-full, idk if they still do
[13:35] <smartboyhw> That's why I have that idea from Kubuntu:)
[13:46] <ailo-w> ooh, my backside is going to get wet bicycling in this weather. Going home now
[14:15] <scott-work> micahg: thanks for pointing that out
[14:21] <holstein> i like the idea of a seperate one... i used to install the *-desktop one to get the look and feel, but not all the packages
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Oh/
[14:21] <holstein> im also fine with *-desktop being the whole distro if you guys think that is more clear and easier
[14:22] <ailo> I'd rather have a new meta for that
[14:23] <ailo> The desktop is after all just one piece of the puzzle
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Me too. A new meta
[14:23] <holstein> ubuntustudio-full makes sense
[14:25] <Hypnotoad> If I'm following, lubuntu has lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-core
[14:28] <holstein> Hypnotoad: lubuntu-core is the equivalent of *-full ?
[14:28] <micahg> !info lubuntu-core
[14:30] <holstein> ah.. so its a "tiny" lubuntu version
[14:30] <holstein> those guys work hard!
[14:31] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:31] <scott-work> i think lubuntu has a clear vision of what they want to accomplish with actionable goals. that helps alot
[14:32] <holstein> yup.. it stays light too
[14:42] <ailo> cd ..
[14:42] <ailo> hmm
[14:42] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:49] <smartboyhw> ailo: Good email on the package building thing:)
[14:50] <ailo> holstein: We don't have any thelonius type of reminder on out channels, right?
[14:51] <ailo> smartboyhw: I think so too. The simpler, the better
[14:52] <holstein> ailo: not that im aware of
[14:53] <ailo> I'm running 25 times around a lawn today
[14:53] <ailo> Just wish it'd stop raining
[14:53] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:58] <micahg> who's the docs person for Ubuntu Studio?
[15:58] <holstein> smartboy has been helping a lot with that micahg 
[15:59] <micahg> and he's not around
[16:00] <holstein> micahg: i'll try and get something where it needs to go.. an email to the dev list or whatever
[16:01] <micahg> well, I'm wondering if changes in xfce4-places-plugin will affect the US docs
[16:01] <holstein> micahg: i think we should be looking at the xfce docs in general more closely
[16:02] <holstein> taking what we can from there, and contributing as well
[17:17] <ailo> I'm the documentation leaqd
[17:17] <ailo> lead*
[17:17] <ailo> micahg: ^
[17:18] <ailo> docs on the ISO?
[17:19] <holstein> ailo: you know about the xfce4-places-plugin ?
[17:19] <holstein> i dont really use XFCE that often
[17:19] <holstein> i just test our live iso's
[17:19] <ailo> Me neither
[17:19] <ailo> I also have no idea about ISO docs 
[17:20] <ailo> I've only been working on docs on the wikis, and the web site
[17:20] <holstein> in theory, we should be able to help xubuntu, and just copy that stuff... a lot of it
[17:20] <ailo> We could inherit it, and add our own on top
[17:21] <micahg> that would be my suggestion
[17:21] <holstein> im sure the xubuntu folk would apprectiate that too
[17:21] <ailo> To my knowledge, there isn't really any Ubuntu Studio docs on the ISO atm
[17:21] <holstein> thats a great team as well
[17:21] <ailo> I'll look into that
[17:35] <holstein> ailo: wow... how did you get that from what asker said earlier?... thats why i pinged you though.. i figured you would know
[17:36] <ailo> He said, controlling volume with the keyboard. I tried it, and saw this image
[17:36] <ailo> Don't usually use the keyboard myself to do that
[18:30] <ailo> len-dt: Did you add the menu item "Ubuntu Studio Information"?
[18:31] <ailo> Hadn't had the chance to look at his yet
[18:31] <ailo> The IRC client is working pretty well
[18:35] <ailo> No pulseaudio applet?
[18:45] <ailo> len-dt: I'm wondering if we should add a popup informing the user that an IRC client is opening, and connecting to the Ubuntu Studio user channel with the user name, and asking if that's ok or not
[18:45] <ailo> We could add a simple python/GTK script for this
[18:59] <ailo> I started something on that. bb tomorrow
[20:52] <len-dt> ailo, there is a ubuntustudio submenu. It has 4 or 5 web pages as well as our IRC opening in xchat and the xfce4-about.
[20:54] <len-dt> ailo, there is a ubuntustudio submenu. It has 4 or 5 web pages as well as our IRC opening in xchat and the xfce4-about.
[20:54] <len-dt> Oops, I hit an up key instead of enter.
[20:55] <len-dt> The web pages are a forum page, the wiki help page, the two list pages and the home page.
[20:57] <len-dt> There is no local stuff on there yet though it would be easy to add. I don't know what xubuntu has for help. The last time I looked it seemed to point to the change logs for the programs listed... not very helpful. (the last version of xubuntu I had was 11.10 this may have changed)
[20:58] <ailo> len-dt: I think it's great with all the links. But my initial feeling opening the IRC link was that the user should perhaps be warned about the automatic connection, before proceeding
[20:58] <len-dt> I do know back when I was using KDE, their browser would take man:// kinds of urls. I don't know if there are other browsers that do so
[20:59] <len-dt> How if IRC different than a browser in that?
[20:59] <ailo> How is connecting with your ip and local username to a network you might not have any clue about different to opening a web page?
[20:59] <len-dt> Not that it matters to me, if you come up with a wrapper script I can point the desktop file at, I am fine with that too.
[21:00] <ailo> I would prefer that, as a user. It's not a big thing to add anyway
[21:00] <ailo> I already started working on it
[21:01] <len-dt> Ok, The command line for your script is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio/view/head:/usr/share/ubuntustudio/applications/ubuntustudio-xchat.desktop
[21:02] <len-dt> line 18 or so.
[21:02] <ailo> Thanks
[21:03] <len-dt> In your blurb, something about leaving a question and the app open long enough for someone to actually see it might be nice :-)
[21:04] <ailo> It will be a gui window with info and the customary ok and cancel buttons
[21:05] <len-dt> Ya, figured as much. Python then?
[21:05] <ailo> Yea
[21:06] <len-dt> \o/    Our new metas just got accepted. Tomorrow we should have photography and publishing apps.... and a bigger ISO
[21:06] <knome> hehe
[21:07] <len-dt> I think I will wait to do testing till then.