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| dholbach | good morning | 06:55 |
| _ruben | aww .. packages.ubuntu.com dead? | 07:41 |
| _ruben | uhh .. the diff.gz for nagios3 is like twice the size of the orig.tgz | 07:45 |
| _ruben | appears to be a bunch of autogenerated files in it | 07:47 |
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| alo21 | can some tell me when I can upgrade a pakage (after feature freeze)? | 10:32 |
| tumbleweed | if you are waiting until the freeze is over, that's: when we've released | 10:33 |
| alo21 | tumbleweed: for example this package (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lives/+bug/1042627) is in building, | 10:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1042627 in lives (Ubuntu) "[new-upstream]LiVES 1.6.3" [Wishlist,In progress] | 10:33 |
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| alo21 | tumbleweed: why? | 10:34 |
| tumbleweed | alo21: sorry, I can't understand what you are asking | 10:34 |
| alo21 | tumbleweed: the package above is 'In Progress'. I did not understand why | 10:35 |
| tumbleweed | presumably because quadrispro is updating it | 10:35 |
| tumbleweed | the feature freeze isn't an absolute ban on new versions | 10:35 |
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| tumbleweed | we just want to avoid anything risky | 10:35 |
| tumbleweed | so, the rule of thumb is to look for bug fixes and avoid new features | 10:36 |
| alo21 | tumbleweed: is that an exception? | 10:36 |
| tumbleweed | it looks like it has some new features, so updating it should involve filing for an FFe. Iit's a leaf package, and not on any images, so it'd almost certainly be approved | 10:39 |
| alo21 | tumbleweed: what do you mena with 'leaf package'? Why it will not on any images? | 10:41 |
| alo21 | mean* | 10:42 |
| tumbleweed | nothing depends on it | 10:42 |
| tumbleweed | it's not on any images, because none of the ubuntu flavours want it and have space for it | 10:42 |
| alo21 | tumbleweed: so... Could I, hypothetically, upgrade other package now, to include in Ubuntu 12.10? | 10:44 |
| Laney | we're focusing on fixing bugs | 10:45 |
| Laney | so if they further that aim, ye | 10:45 |
| Laney | s | 10:45 |
| alo21 | Laney: usaully all package upgrade includes new features too | 10:45 |
| alo21 | usually* | 10:45 |
| Laney | not always, and sometimes it is worth it | 10:46 |
| xnox | alo21: we distinguish "new features" from "bug fixes" | 10:47 |
| xnox | alo21: but there is line where one blends into another | 10:47 |
| alo21 | it is good idea to ask if a package will be accepted, before upgrade it | 10:47 |
| alo21 | ? | 10:47 |
| tumbleweed | it's required | 10:48 |
| tumbleweed | right now, we're trying to make the release better, not worse. And we don't mind missing new versions of things, if we can improve the release as a whole | 10:48 |
| alo21 | tumbleweed: where have I to ask? here? | 10:48 |
| tumbleweed | !ffe | alo21 | 10:49 |
| ubottu | alo21: Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. | 10:49 |
| Laney | alo21: If you're looking for a list of things to work on, 'upgrade-software-version' might not be the best at this point (due to the freeze). | 10:54 |
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| alo21 | Laney: whre should I ook now? | 10:55 |
| Laney | You could investigate packages listed here http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/multidistrotools/universe.html#outdatedinB and on the following table ("and Quantal has local changes") for bug fixes in Debian that we might want in Ubuntu | 10:55 |
| alo21 | Laney: are they all bug fix upgrade? | 10:57 |
| Laney | not necessarily, you get to investigate and make judgement calls | 10:57 |
| Laney | which is part of the fun :-) | 10:57 |
| alo21 | Laney: we import package from unstable debian. Right? | 11:01 |
| Laney | by default, yes, but we can take from testing too. Those lists point you at testing, which is likely to be a good idea, because it is currently frozen too. | 11:02 |
| alo21 | ok... thanks averybody | 11:05 |
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| MohamedAlaa98 | micahg: Hello, I've done the buildeb work :) thank you for this article :) | 12:52 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | *that | 12:53 |
| micahg | MohamedAlaa98: you're welcome | 12:57 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | micahg: but now I have a problem with pbuilder | 12:59 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | micahg: Unmet dependencies Error | 12:59 |
| micahg | pastebin please | 13:00 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | ok :) give me a minute :) | 13:00 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | sorry the connection was lost | 13:18 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | Did I lose something? | 13:18 |
| ogra_ | MohamedAlaa98_, your connection | 13:19 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | ogra_: yes | 13:22 |
| exodus | haha | 13:24 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | ogra_: I mean when I was away :) | 13:26 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | micahg: hah? any news? | 13:27 |
| Laney | your pastebin didn't come through. | 13:28 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | oops | 13:28 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | np :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200517/ | 13:28 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | sorry internet connection is bad here :) | 13:28 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | oops :) | 13:32 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | np :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200517/ | 13:33 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | micahg: sorry for late :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200517/ | 13:34 |
| micahg | mohamedAlaa98: what release are you building for? | 13:34 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | precise | 13:35 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | micahg: prcise | 13:35 |
| MohamedAlaa98_ | *precise | 13:35 |
| micahg | mohamedAlaa98: you're probably missing the pbuilder update step | 13:37 |
| micahg | oh, no, you need to enable universe | 13:37 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | micahg: in the pbuilder base? | 13:38 |
| micahg | yeah | 13:42 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | micahg: how can I enable it? | 13:43 |
| micahg | someone else will have to help you with that | 13:43 |
| Laney | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Universe_support ? | 13:44 |
| * Laney hasn't done this for a long time | 13:44 | |
| MohamedAlaa98 | micahg: however, thank you for you support :) | 13:44 |
| Laney | even back in the day I was a pbuilder-dist user | 13:44 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | Laney: cool | 13:45 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | Laney: Thank you, trying that :) | 13:47 |
| exodus | Laney, have motu's stopped using pbuilder for another something else? | 13:47 |
| Laney | people use whatever they want to use | 13:47 |
| exodus | Obviously, but I mean, you said back in the day, what do you use now? | 13:48 |
| Laney | sbuild | 13:48 |
| MohamedAlaa98 | Laney: I think this information should be in the packaging guide | 13:48 |
| Laney | the packaging guide tells you to use pbuilder-dist, which gets this right. | 13:49 |
| Laney | http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html#set-up-pbuilder | 13:50 |
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| exodus | Laney, Do you know any good documentaion on sbuild that I can take a look at other than http://wiki.debian.org/sbuild that you can recommend me? | 13:50 |
| Laney | that looks alright, but there is a helpful script called mk-sbuild in the ubuntu-dev-tools package that will create the initial environment for you | 13:51 |
| Laney | e.g. mk-sbuild quantal | 13:51 |
| Laney | back later | 13:52 |
| exodus | Laney, thanks. I'll have a look at that. | 13:56 |
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| MohamedAlaa98 | Laney: you are awesome! :) That article really helped me :) Thanks :) | 14:06 |
| smartboyhw | Excuse me what are the best channels on asking about fixing bugs? | 14:10 |
| exodus | smartboyhw, fixing bugs, my guess is here. Reporting them: #ubuntu-bugs | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | OK thanks | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | I need to use it to write a Ubuntu Accomplishments test | 14:11 |
| exodus | smartboyhw, of course, we're talking in the Ubuntu context. | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | -test | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | exodus: yes | 14:12 |
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| alo21 | hi. I found a package which can be upgraded (http://changelog.debian.net/ding). It could be? | 16:57 |
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| jtaylor | alo21: that does not look like we need it for quantal | 17:02 |
| jtaylor | just modernizing the packaging, no bugfixes | 17:02 |
| jtaylor | at this point in the cycle we avoid these types of changes | 17:02 |
| micahg | alo21: once a new version gets in the next release, you can always request a backport as well | 17:02 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: This (http://changelog.debian.net/arora)? Is it too generic? | 17:05 |
| jtaylor | alo21: depends what changed in the upstream version | 17:06 |
| jtaylor | if bugfix only it might be ok | 17:06 |
| jtaylor | if you want to look for stuff that can be synced look for stuff that went into debian wheezy after the 10. Aug | 17:06 |
| jtaylor | those got unblocks from the debian release team and are thus almost always appropriate to sync | 17:07 |
| jtaylor | if quantal is not too far behind | 17:07 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: is (http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/universe.html#outdatedandlocalinB) --> Outdated in Quantal the right place? | 17:08 |
| Laney | perhaps look at packages where the upstream version (before the last "-") is the same in Debian and Ubuntu | 17:08 |
| Laney | there might be packaging fixes we want there | 17:08 |
| * micahg thinks it's early enough to file FFes for anything that includes dropping dpatch :) | 17:09 | |
| micahg | *almost | 17:09 |
| micahg | *almost anything | 17:09 |
| Laney | why? | 17:09 |
| micahg | dpatch is a pain and should die | 17:09 |
| Laney | I don't see how it's particularly pressing now | 17:10 |
| xnox | micahg: unless it makes dpatch fall out of main, I don't think it's a good enough reason to be in a FFe at all | 17:10 |
| micahg | pressing? no, if we can get it with minimal work and it's reasonable, why not? | 17:10 |
| xnox | micahg: what were your reasons for dropping sqlite? | 17:10 |
| micahg | no, not in and of itself, but it's bonus points | 17:10 |
| Laney | I wouldn't consider it a convincing argument for a freeze exception | 17:10 |
| xnox | micahg: e.g. is sqlite language bindings acceptable or do you want sqlite2 die a silent death ASAP | 17:11 |
| micahg | xnox: upstream dead for 5+ years, no security support | 17:11 |
| xnox | micahg: I see. | 17:11 |
| xnox | micahg: I have a response from Debian GPE maitnainers and GPE upstream | 17:11 |
| * micahg needs to ping the Debian maintainer again, it really shouldn't be part of wheezy | 17:12 | |
| micahg | but alas, it's probably too late | 17:12 |
| xnox | micahg: when was our next motu meeting or did I miss it? | 17:12 |
| * xnox should add it to the calendar | 17:12 | |
| micahg | xnox: next week | 17:12 |
| micahg | xnox: what's the response? | 17:12 |
| xnox | micahg: GPE upstream is alive, but development is on life support, Debian maintainer will not recommend implementing sqlite2 -> 3 to the upstream, I don't see how it is useful. | 17:13 |
| xnox | micahg: GPE is actually a desktop environment which requries a kernel & X - but can run something what looks like a smart phone from the 1999 | 17:14 |
| xnox | micahg: with popcon 0 | 17:14 |
| micahg | xnox: what will the GPE maintainers do when sqlite2 is yanked from Debian? | 17:14 |
| xnox | micahg: http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/gallery/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=historybook&id=gpe_conf_applets | 17:15 |
| xnox | micahg: well, that didn't happen yet, so who knows. | 17:15 |
| xnox | micahg: I suspect it can/could be yanked from stable/testing. But I don't see it being yanked from unstable. | 17:16 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: I found here the email request (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=634817), but I cannot see any previous changelog | 17:16 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 634817 in arora "arora has new upstream release 0.11 please upgrade to 0.11 from 0.10.2 now" [Wishlist,Fixed] | 17:16 |
| xnox | micahg: my concern with sqlite is that sqlite3 cannot read sqlite database for at least conversion purposes to sqlite3 database | 17:16 |
| xnox | unless I am mistaken. | 17:16 |
| micahg | alo21: we have 0.11 in quantal | 17:16 |
| micahg | xnox: yeah, it's a problem AIUI | 17:16 |
| xnox | micahg: so for example I am ok with keeping it, but dropping the shared library. | 17:17 |
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| micahg | xnox: isn't the shared library what uses it? | 17:18 |
| micahg | *reads it | 17:18 |
| alo21 | micahg: there is 0.11.0-1 in debian | 17:18 |
| xnox | micahg: why cannot sqlite converter be statically linked after share lib is dropped? | 17:19 |
| micahg | alo21: we usually don't sync those types of updates at this point unless there are packaging changes we want | 17:19 |
| alo21 | micahg: ok | 17:20 |
| micahg | xnox: hrm, statically linked sounds worse | 17:20 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: I think this (http://changelog.debian.net/blam) is the righ package. Isn't it? | 17:30 |
| jtaylor | alo21: blam is not required either there is no real diff to ubuntu | 17:32 |
| jtaylor | alo21: check these packages: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/multidistrotools/universe.html#outdatedinB | 17:33 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: what's the differnce? | 17:34 |
| jtaylor | ? | 17:34 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: got it. thanks | 17:34 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: this (http://changelog.debian.net/circos) is a debian renovation only, but it touches dipendency. What about this package? | 17:38 |
| jtaylor | alo21: that one looks syncworthy | 17:40 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: cool. Where have I to sync? | 17:41 |
| jtaylor | requestsync <package> | 17:41 |
| c_korn | hello. how can I tell debuild to only build arch dependent packages? | 17:42 |
| jtaylor | c_korn: -A should do it | 17:43 |
| jtaylor | if not fakeroot debian/rules binary-indep | 17:43 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: I suppose to send an email which has as subject: requestsync <package>. Right? If yes, which contact? | 17:44 |
| jtaylor | alo21: no use the commandline tool requestsync | 17:44 |
| jtaylor | it will do prettymuch everything for oyu | 17:44 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: wow. So 1) build the package, 2) requestsync <package>. Right? | 17:46 |
| jtaylor | yes | 17:47 |
| alo21 | jtaylor: are you running 12.10 on your machine (not pbuilder only)? | 17:48 |
| c_korn | jtaylor: I only want the dependent packages | 17:55 |
| c_korn | I think fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch is what I want. thanks | 17:56 |
| ESphynx | hey guys... so the whole Wheezy freeze thing going on in Debian is likely going to make Ecere miss Quantal, is it :| | 18:03 |
| jtaylor | ESphynx: is ecere in experimental/sid? | 18:16 |
| ESphynx | jtaylor: it's sitting in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html | 18:17 |
| ESphynx | and new packages don't get processed while Wheezy freeze is going on :| | 18:17 |
| jtaylor | really? | 18:18 |
| jtaylor | that seems harsh | 18:18 |
| jtaylor | thats at least 6 month of no new packages? | 18:18 |
| ESphynx | " Typically there is not much NEW processing during a freeze." | 18:18 |
| Laney | ask for it | 18:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | i think its a sort-of freeze in sid... | 18:18 |
| ESphynx | is what I've been told in #debian-mentors ::P | 18:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | certain things get processed and others don't | 18:18 |
| jtaylor | I'm sure they are working just not as fast as usual | 18:18 |
| tumbleweed | there is NEW processing during the freeze | 18:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | ^ | 18:19 |
| tumbleweed | it's just lower priority | 18:19 |
| jtaylor | else you have gigantic queue when it unfreezes and lots of people complaining | 18:19 |
| ESphynx | right. | 18:19 |
| ESphynx | well that's why I was just asking if there was any NEW processing happening or not :P or if I should just stop monitoring it ;) | 18:19 |
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| * tumbleweed thinks he owes some meeting minutes | 20:11 | |
| Laney | that fun job | 20:13 |
| ajmitch | did I miss a meeting? darn | 20:27 |
| xnox | what meeting? | 20:27 |
| tumbleweed | sent | 20:28 |
| ajmitch | that's what I'm asking about ;) | 20:28 |
| ajmitch | usually a motu meeting around this time | 20:28 |
| tumbleweed | no, it's tomorrow | 20:28 |
| tumbleweed | err 8 days time | 20:28 |
| ajmitch | oh right | 20:28 |
| * ajmitch was awake at 4AM, too | 20:28 | |
| tumbleweed | hehe. I reported a LP timeout, and it was fixed by deleting the page (bug 905792) | 20:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 905792 in Launchpad itself "Timeout on /+daily-builds" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/905792 | 20:31 |
| Laney | that's one way to earn LoC credit | 20:31 |
| tumbleweed | :) | 20:31 |
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| * xnox ponders if I should be earning LoC credit | 20:35 | |
| xnox | sounds better than askubuntu rep or karma | 20:35 |
| tumbleweed | xnox: get to the top of ubuntu-activity | 20:36 |
| Laney | you could sell it | 20:36 |
| Laney | £1 per line? | 20:37 |
| xnox | tumbleweed: nah... don't care about that. I'd rather close oldest merges or smallest bug number | 20:39 |
| xnox | I did manage to get a few small onces 1YYXXX | 20:40 |
| xnox | I do want lp.net personal bug pages to have paging the same way as other pages. | 20:40 |
| xnox | due to timeouts | 20:40 |
| xnox | but I have lower hanging fruit before I get to that | 20:41 |
| xnox | if ubiquity counts as low hanging | 20:41 |
| DktrKranz | ESphynx: NEW queue is (almost) independent from the freeze. Only packages introducing new transitions are held, the other ones are considered best-efforts, as focus is targeted on the release. | 20:59 |
| ajmitch | Laney: do you know of a bug # for backports pre-release? | 21:21 |
| Laney | not sure | 21:24 |
| Laney | ask broder or ScottK | 21:24 |
| broder | i'm not sure i ever opened one | 21:24 |
| ajmitch | ok, I looked but couldn't find one, I should probably attach one to a branch | 21:26 |
| ajmitch | yeah I know it's well after feature freeze :) | 21:26 |
| ajmitch | broder: you may be able to confirm, the backports pocket is created when you want to open it, rather than when the release is opened? | 21:30 |
| broder | i think all the pockets are created at the same time | 21:30 |
| broder | but i'm not sure | 21:30 |
| Laney | yeah | 21:30 |
| ajmitch | ok | 21:30 |
| ajmitch | it's just hard to open backprots only at feature freeze then when there's no corresponding series status | 21:31 |
| Laney | doesn't it go to unapproved anyway? | 21:31 |
| ajmitch | that's policy that I want to clarify before proposing a merge :) | 21:32 |
| Laney | tests ... | 21:32 |
| ajmitch | you assume that there are sufficient existing tests around backports & upload policy | 21:33 |
| Laney | no, but I assume that there could be :-) | 21:34 |
| ajmitch | the only backport test in lib/lp/archiveuploader/tests/test_uploadpolicy.py is one I just added :) | 21:34 |
| * ajmitch is likely looking in the wrong place, of course | 21:35 | |
| ajmitch | since launchpad is a bit of a maze | 21:35 |
| Laney | ask the lads | 21:36 |
| ajmitch | oh I nag some LP people often enough | 21:36 |
| ajmitch | I'll just end up writing a test to find out current behaviour | 21:36 |
| ajmitch | but if you say that backports should be unapproved by default, I'll run with that :) | 21:37 |
| Laney | it works like that, yes | 21:37 |
| Laney | you should check that it continues to work like that pre-release | 21:38 |
| Laney | at least by looking at the code that does this and convincing yourself | 21:38 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I will do of course :) | 21:38 |
| * ajmitch had changed the autoApprove, this is why I'm asking before proposing a branch | 21:38 | |
| ScottK | I agree that backports should remain unapproved by default. | 21:40 |
| Laney | so the code doesn't need to know what feature freeze is, it's just a matter of policy | 21:41 |
| ajmitch | ok, changed code & tests, it doesn't autoapprove before or after release | 21:41 |
| Laney | grand | 21:42 |
| ajmitch | being able to run tests just with backport in the name is useful | 21:42 |
| ajmitch | so much paperwork for what's such a trivial change :) | 21:46 |
| xnox | ajmitch: 18 000 packages.... if all changed simultaneously nothing would ever work. | 21:58 |
| ajmitch | xnox: sorry? | 21:58 |
| xnox | ajmitch: you talk about paperwork & trivial changes =) | 21:59 |
| xnox | ajmitch: there is paperwork for a reason. | 21:59 |
| ajmitch | talking about changes to LP | 21:59 |
| * xnox lost context sorry | 21:59 | |
| ajmitch | and I know it's there for a reason, doesn't mean I can't grumble & moan | 21:59 |
| xnox | =)))) | 22:00 |
| ajmitch | isn't that what developers are meant to do? | 22:00 |
| xnox | i think developers are meant to meditate while watching upward scrolling text a lot and make *sigh* noise while doing so | 22:00 |
| ajmitch | or mock sword fights in the hallway while waiting | 22:02 |
| TML | Is there some central location that explains why a package that existed in version x.y was dropped in x.(y+6)? I used to have libpam-dotfile, it still exists in Debian, but it's missing from Ubuntu since natty. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam-dotfile/+bugs - 0 bugs; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libpam-dotfile - 0 bugs | 22:21 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam-dotfile/+publishinghistory | 22:22 |
| ajmitch | expand the row that says it's deleted | 22:22 |
| TML | ajmitch: Awesome - thanks | 22:23 |
| ajmitch | it's been deleted from debian as well, but is still in the stable release there | 22:24 |
| TML | And in sid, for whatever reason | 22:25 |
| TML | But seeing that it's just an orphaned package, I'm comfortable moving ahead compiling it from source for my machines. Just didn't want to continue using it if there was a strong reason not to. | 22:25 |
| ajmitch | it was removed from sid in 2011 | 22:25 |
| TML | Thank you for the pointer | 22:25 |
| xnox | micahg: <CIA-11> GPE: philippe * r10115 /trunk/base/libtododb/ (old-db.c configure.ac ChangeLog Makefile.am todo-db.c): Change to sqlit | 23:57 |
| xnox | 3 | 23:57 |
| xnox | missing at the end | 23:57 |
| xnox | micahg: http://cia.vc/stats/project/GPE | 23:59 |
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