[08:03] <silverarrow> are there any other iBook G4 user who has made any report on the beta?
[08:24] <silverarrow> is anyone clever with media players,  plugins and html5?
[08:25] <silverarrow> I have installed way to many media players
[08:25] <silverarrow> totem shows up as player on youtube, with html5 as one
[08:25] <silverarrow> it streams youtube?
[08:26] <silverarrow> weird, but good
[08:26] <silverarrow> it is gnome player opened through Totem windows
[09:14] <jibel> mvo, with apt_pkg or apt in python is there a way to find which pocket a source package belongs to ? I'd like to identify new versions of packages or their dependencies uploaded to -proposed
[09:26] <mvo> jibel: in a call right now, but I can help (hopefully) in some minutes wit hthis
[09:27] <mvo> jibel: it is possible, but a little bit cumbersome
[09:48] <jibel> mvo, np, what I'm doing now is iterating through source_records and check which source index the records refers to. So essentially I'm wondering if there is a smarter way to do the same.
[09:59] <mvo> jibel: thats the way, unfortunately there is no nice wraper around the source_records stuff (yet?)
[10:01] <jibel> mvo, I'll continue with this then. Thanks !
[10:20] <silverarrow> is anyone booted in ubuntu now?
[10:20] <smartboyhw> Er you mean Unity silverarrow?
[10:20] <silverarrow> is totem capable of handeling youtuve?
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Dunno
[10:21] <silverarrow> I have hte weirdest situation
[10:22] <silverarrow> sorry, wrong channel
[10:22] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:23] <silverarrow> are you clever with media players and browser streams?
[10:23] <smartboyhw> No I don't silverarrow
[14:26] <taoseeker> was it ever verified why ppc beta will not install, the double issue with windows manager and installer?
[14:26] <taoseeker> or graphics even
[14:27] <smartboyhw> taoseeker: I think we concluded it is a graphics X bug, phillw will tell you more:)
[14:27] <taoseeker> I see
[14:28] <taoseeker> it will freeze up installer?
[14:34] <phillw> taoseeker: the x-org fix that was issued affects chip sets the ppc macs do not have.
[14:36] <taoseeker> so, the fix do not work or the problem doesn`t regard ppc?
[14:36] <taoseeker> does*
[14:36] <taoseeker> phillw, are you clever with media player in browser ?
[14:37] <phillw> taoseeker: the fix doesn't work. They are looking at the rough equivalent of nomodeset in the yaboot file.
[14:37] <taoseeker> I see
[14:37] <balloons> kanliot, ok, so lubuntu is install now on my precise box
[14:37] <kanliot> phillw, this is really stupid, but did they try the alt cd?
[14:38] <kanliot> :)
[14:38] <balloons> the alt cd when? my precise install in this case is from the alt cd :-)
[14:38] <phillw> kanliot: yes, that has a different, critical bug.
[14:38] <balloons> ohh.. lol.. the ppc bug
[14:38] <phillw> taoseeker: bug 1044180 should have the update
[14:38] <kanliot> yeah
[14:38] <smartboyhw> ;-)
[14:38] <kanliot> would QQ on ppc work if you use the Alt-cd or is it every boot
[14:39] <kanliot> ok that answers that
[14:39] <phillw> kanliot: both desktop & alternate 'failed', two different critical bugs
[14:39] <phillw> 3 days before beta 1 was due. We simply ran out of time to look for solutions
[14:39] <kanliot> you sound like you're taking it personally
[14:40] <phillw> kanliot: not personally, but it was a bit of a blow to lose both of our ppc builds :/
[14:40] <taoseeker> i have an odd case with media players I am trying to explain. I have both totem and gnome mplayer with verious plugin packages. in some videos and tv streams they seem to launch on top of each other and work, where they do not at all alone
[14:41] <phillw> I will be back in approx 1 hour, I paused some work I was doing for my parent's company to attend the meeting. catch you all soon.
[14:42] <smartboyhw> :) brb phillw
[14:42] <taoseeker> in youtube I can have three players on top of each other
[14:43] <kanliot> sounds like a plugin problem taoseeker
[14:43] <taoseeker> yes, but with benefits
[14:43] <kanliot> i mean firefox addon
[14:44] <taoseeker> where ppc browser plugins are broken all over the place, on top of each other, gnome mplayer streams what it should not be capable of
[14:44] <balloons> k, everything up to date.. booting into lubuntu
[14:44] <smartboyhw> add oil balloons:)
[14:45] <taoseeker> kanliot, it is of course clonflicting plugin setup, but the what made me wonder is why gone mplayer suddenly works ?
[14:46] <taoseeker> what it is exactly that is working would be nice to figure out
[14:46] <taoseeker> I can now watch tv on ppc, opening gnome mplayer through totem window
[14:46] <kanliot> have you asked the firefox people?
[14:46] <taoseeker> they have no idea
[14:46] <taoseeker> ppc is ignored categorically
[14:47] <kanliot> do you know silverarrow?
[14:47] <taoseeker> even if they know
[14:48] <silverarrow> yeah,
[14:48] <silverarrow> wait,  battery ciris
[14:48]  * balloons hits head on wall
[14:48] <balloons> I dist-upgraded.. how can I test the bug now
[14:48] <kanliot> to qq or to 12.04.1
[14:48] <kanliot> ?
[14:49] <kanliot> balloons
[14:49] <balloons> I was on 12.04 precise install
[14:49] <balloons> I put on lubuntu.. and out of habit, did a dist-upgrade
[14:49] <kanliot> sorry i don't know what dist-upgrade is
[14:49] <balloons> I installed all the updates
[14:50] <smartboyhw> kanliot: What the
[14:50] <kanliot> are you on 12.04.1 or 12.10?
[14:50] <balloons> 12.04.1
[14:50] <kanliot> ok
[14:50] <balloons> but fully up to date now
[14:50] <kanliot> run this script
[14:52] <kanliot> /etc/cron.daily
[14:52] <kanliot>  /update-notifier-common
[14:52] <smartboyhw> YOu mean /etc/cron.daily/update-notifier-common ?
[14:52] <kanliot> i do
[14:53] <kanliot> does it work on ubuntu?
[14:53] <kanliot> it's possible i'm telling people the wrong cause of the bug
[14:54] <balloons> ok
[14:54] <smartboyhw> !
[14:58] <balloons> kanliot,
[15:10] <kanliot> smartboyhw, i sent you a testemonial
[15:10] <kanliot> now you have 1
[15:10] <smartboyhw> kanliot: lol lmao
[15:10] <kanliot> and i also removed your icon from my gmail
[15:10] <kanliot> so that's not buggin me anymore
[15:10] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[15:11] <kanliot> and what was so funny that i said in sii#
[15:11] <smartboyhw> !?
 did i accidentally make a joke?
 :)
 Yes you did
[15:12] <smartboyhw> balloons: I don't think you finished your sentences about 20 lines above:)
[15:12] <smartboyhw> kanliot: kidding joke here:)
[15:12] <kanliot> mabye he had a heart attack
[15:12] <kanliot> i'll call 911
[15:12] <smartboyhw> kanliot: NO NO NO
[15:12] <kanliot> ;)
[15:13] <smartboyhw> ............lol
[15:13] <kanliot> although i have called the police on people
[15:13] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:13] <kanliot> met a girl that was raped
[15:13] <smartboyhw> kanliot: what?
[15:13] <smartboyhw> LMAO now
[15:13] <kanliot> emailed the police in nebraska or wereever and they interviewed her
[15:13] <kanliot> yup
[15:14] <balloons> kanliot,
[15:14] <kanliot> he survived the heart attafck
[15:14] <kanliot> please get help man!
[15:14] <smartboyhw> kanliot: LOL
[15:14] <smartboyhw> OMG I
[15:14] <smartboyhw> am full of LOL now
[15:14] <smartboyhw> ;):):):):):O:O:O:O
[15:15] <balloons> ok
[15:15] <balloons> so it looks like it's acting the same on both lubuntu and ubuntu
[15:15] <kanliot> man you should have been in #defocus sunday night
[15:15] <kanliot> o rly
[15:15] <kanliot> that makes me the most annoying bug tesyer on ubuntusphere
[15:15] <kanliot> since i found it first
[15:16] <kanliot> but i already knew that
[15:16] <balloons> lol
[15:16] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[15:16] <kanliot> in #defocus we were talking about asbestos for an half hour
[15:16] <kanliot> it was epic
[15:16] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:17] <balloons> ok, so I got it to work on ubuntu
[15:17] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:18] <balloons> ok, and nothing on lubuntu
[15:18] <balloons> no pop-up
[15:18] <balloons> kanliot isn't crazy :-)
[15:19] <kanliot> voices in my head can't agree w/ you
[15:19] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:20] <kanliot> you gonna use my testemonial?
[15:21] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[15:21] <kanliot> man i worked hard on that testmonial
[15:22] <kanliot> it only took 15 sec0onds, but i still worked hard
[15:38] <silverarrow> will minitube  be tested for Quantal ?
[15:38] <silverarrow> it is part of regular repository
[15:39] <kanliot> i'm more worried about mplayer
[15:39] <kanliot> i complained verbosely about gnome-mplayer on the mailing list
[15:39] <kanliot> IMHO it's gonna ship with dialogs that lock up next month
[15:40]  * silverarrow googles verobosley?
[15:40] <silverarrow> lock up?
[15:41] <kanliot> locks up every time
[15:41] <kanliot> but they aare not gonna fix it
[15:41] <kanliot> i can tell
[15:41] <silverarrow> can you explain ? it doesn`t at the moment
[15:41] <silverarrow> why next month?
[15:41] <kanliot> open preferences
[15:41] <kanliot> gnome-mplayer
[15:42] <silverarrow> there are all kinds of horrors with linux
[15:42] <kanliot> next month the quantal sources go live for thousands of lubuntu users
[15:42] <kanliot> and millions of ubuntu uysrs
[15:42] <kanliot> i wonder how long it will take to get a million QQ usres?
[15:43] <kanliot> maybe not until 2013
[15:43] <kanliot> i have no idea
[15:43] <patdk-wk> hmm? qq already has billions of users
[15:43] <patdk-wk> pretty much all of asia
[15:44] <kanliot> that's mcdonalds
[15:44] <patdk-wk> na, qq.com :)
[15:44] <kanliot> i have heard that ubuntu is growing in india
[15:45] <kanliot> but i doubt they are all testing the beta
[15:45] <kanliot> people in china don't like ubuntu
[15:46] <kanliot> they dont like anything thats free
[15:46] <silverarrow> in china?
[15:46] <kanliot> would rather pay for stuff
[15:46] <kanliot> yeah
[15:46] <silverarrow> debian then?
[15:46] <kanliot> i hear that chinese people are making billions on billions selling anti-virus for winxp
[15:46] <silverarrow> I heard madriva is getting new winds in their sails again
[15:47] <silverarrow> lol
[15:47] <kanliot> mageia
[15:47] <kanliot> are you being silly?
[15:47] <kanliot> cant tell
[15:47] <silverarrow> no, two french guys had a long interview on radio,
[15:47] <kanliot> and are you that taoseeker guy
[15:47] <silverarrow> yes
[15:48] <kanliot> or do we have 3 PPC users?
[15:48] <silverarrow> sorry, I am registered as silverarrow on freenode
[15:48] <silverarrow> my xchat is not behaving and logs in with my compters name
[15:48] <silverarrow> you have three
[15:48] <kanliot> you are or aren't taoseeker
[15:49] <kanliot> are,
[15:49] <silverarrow> are
[15:49] <kanliot> k
[15:49] <silverarrow> unless there is another one using the same nick
[15:49] <silverarrow> I am only registered to silverarrow
[15:49] <kanliot> if we don't relase ppc
[15:49] <kanliot> will you buy a pc for lubuntu
[15:49] <kanliot> ?
[15:49] <kanliot> :)
[15:49] <silverarrow> well, I will jump to debian
[15:50] <kanliot> yeah
[15:50] <kanliot> that makes sense
[15:50] <silverarrow> and have ubuntu on my hp
[15:50] <kanliot> you can use mplayer too
[15:50] <kanliot> ROFL
[15:50] <silverarrow> is it that bad regarding ppc?
[15:50] <kanliot> well
[15:50] <kanliot> i know nothing about the yao---whatever that ppc grub thing is called
[15:51] <kanliot> so i can only guess
[15:51] <kanliot> but we are dropping non-uh what do you call the 4GB ram thing
[15:51] <kanliot> PAO?  i forget
[15:51] <kanliot> and that's millions of people
[15:52] <kanliot> dropping a hell of a lot of people in QQ
[15:52] <kanliot> PAE
[15:52] <kanliot> thump
[15:52] <kanliot> thump
[15:52] <kanliot> thud
[15:52] <kanliot> that's the sound of us dropping them
[15:53] <kanliot> last guy was a noob
[15:53] <silverarrow> how on earth did you manage  to make 12.04 run at all?
[15:53] <silverarrow> on ppc at least
[15:53] <kanliot> huh?
[15:53] <kanliot> i donno
[15:53] <kanliot> i thought it was ez
[15:53] <kanliot> but i didn't do any work
[15:53] <kanliot> so
[15:54] <silverarrow> which was very noticeable on the browser plugin packages
[15:54] <silverarrow> but the rest worked fine
[15:54] <kanliot> well if you go to debian
[15:54] <kanliot> i'll miss you man
[15:54] <kanliot> QQ
[15:54] <kanliot> is me crying
[15:55] <kanliot> get it:?
[15:55] <silverarrow> not sure? lol
[15:55] <kanliot> it looks like eyes with teardrops
[15:55] <kanliot> depends on yer font i suppose
[15:56] <silverarrow> oh yes, of course
[15:56] <silverarrow> it would be sad to leave ubuntu
[15:56] <kanliot> http://images4.cafepress.com/image/60760404_125x125.png
[15:57] <silverarrow> kanliot: are you the only one who manages certain parts of ubuntu ppc?
[15:57] <kanliot> where did you get that idea
[15:57] <kanliot> i have nothing to do with ppc
[15:58] <silverarrow> it looks like I have to change computer to see the link
[15:58] <silverarrow> or perhaps midori
[15:58] <kanliot> no the image is broke
[15:58] <kanliot> sorry
[15:58] <kanliot> i broke internet
[16:00] <kanliot> i just noticed unit192 isn't here to make us get back ontopic
[16:00] <kanliot> i will miss him too
[16:01] <silverarrow> this is probably why so few bother with linux ppc
[16:02] <silverarrow> we are just not clever enough to put out a working os
[16:02] <kanliot> one of many reasons
[16:03] <silverarrow> I didn`t know risk, sisk or whater was that difficult
[16:03] <kanliot> RISC
[16:03] <silverarrow> yes, that one
[16:03] <kanliot> lol
[16:04] <kanliot> man i have a computer sitting here i bought to run ubuntu
[16:04] <kanliot> and it doesnt
[16:04] <silverarrow> I  might bump into you over at debian then?
[16:04] <silverarrow> lol
[16:05] <kanliot> yeah
[16:05] <kanliot> actually i bought it to run fedora
[16:05] <kanliot> now that i think about it
[16:05] <silverarrow> Ubuntu was the first linux os I tried,
[16:06] <silverarrow> i had fedora for a while
[16:06] <silverarrow> short affair
[16:06] <kanliot> what happend
[16:06] <silverarrow> and puppy linux
[16:06] <silverarrow> my hard drive failed, and when I got the new one, I installed latest ubuntu
[16:07] <silverarrow> but why will mplayer freeze up in a months time?
[16:08] <kanliot> well on ubuntu QQ it locks up
[16:08] <silverarrow> very unfortunate
[16:08] <kanliot> so everyone using QQ will find it lcoking up when they open preferences
[16:08] <silverarrow> what have you done with it?
[16:08] <kanliot> i can only guess if the bug is fixed
[16:08] <kanliot> i have locked it up
[16:08] <kanliot> does that make me smart
[16:08] <kanliot> ?
[16:09] <kanliot> oddly enough, the video keeps playing
[16:09] <kanliot> IMHO mplayer is more stable than gnome-mplayer
[16:09] <kanliot> and i have a question
[16:09] <silverarrow> it doesn`t lock up in 12.04, I mean the 1.0.6 packages
[16:09] <kanliot> i was playing mplayer over ssh -X
[16:09] <kanliot> and it seemed to work really well
[16:09] <kanliot> i don't think it's sending the pixels over ssh
[16:10] <kanliot> i wonder if anyone knows for sure
[16:10] <silverarrow> i can harldy tell the difference between the mplayers
[16:10] <silverarrow> just don`t use the one with all the fuzz
[16:10] <kanliot> do you know an alternative mplayer?
[16:10] <silverarrow> at least as default
[16:10] <silverarrow> smplayer
[16:10] <kanliot> like gnome-mplayer
[16:10] <kanliot> that uses qt
[16:10] <kanliot> and the lubuntu devs don't like qt
[16:10] <silverarrow> regular mplayer
[16:10] <silverarrow> mplayer
[16:10] <silverarrow> mplayer2
[16:10] <kanliot> we're still trying to fit on a cd
[16:10] <silverarrow> all very confusing
[16:11] <kanliot> naa not confusing
[16:11] <kanliot> frustrating
[16:11] <kanliot> and difficult
[16:11] <kanliot> i could stare the bug in launchpad every day
[16:11] <kanliot> and it would not fix it
[16:12] <kanliot> i am gonna try and fix another lxpanel bug
[16:12] <silverarrow> I really liked gnome player, because it works with gecko media player
[16:12] <kanliot> probably not this week thouh
[16:12] <silverarrow> but it never did that well on ppc
[16:13] <silverarrow> however, I have an odd situation with totem and gnome mplayer
[16:13] <silverarrow> which I have mentioned a few times now
[16:13] <kanliot> yeah i solved the issue for this tao guy
[16:13] <kanliot> but he left
[16:13] <kanliot> can't find him
[16:13] <kanliot> ;)
[16:15] <silverarrow> lol
[16:15] <silverarrow> you did?
[16:15] <kanliot> i'm pulling your chain
[16:16] <silverarrow> I really hope you guys are clever enough to pussle together a ppc iso
[16:17] <kanliot> i bet we could do it if we really wanted to
[16:17] <kanliot> just go back a version of xorg
[16:17] <silverarrow> which would be great
[16:18] <silverarrow> so the new version is the problem?
[16:18] <kanliot> i can only guess
[16:19] <silverarrow> is is graphics harddrives that doesn`t go well with it, or something not computing?
[16:20] <silverarrow> how are debian handeling it then?
[16:20] <silverarrow> is
[16:20] <kanliot> good question
[16:20] <kanliot> ubuntu is newer than debian, remember\
[16:20] <patdk-wk> stable debian
[16:21] <kanliot> you should ask them
[16:21] <kanliot> you might get a good answer
[16:21] <silverarrow> yes, but doesn`t queesy or what they call it use equivalents of quantal?
[16:21] <kanliot> lol
[16:21] <kanliot> queesy
[16:21] <patdk-wk> wheezy?
[16:21] <kanliot> why didn't we use that
[16:21] <silverarrow> wheezy
[16:21] <kanliot> ROFL
[16:21] <silverarrow> sorry¨
[16:22] <silverarrow> I am tired and my enlish is getting rather random
[16:47] <silverarrow> quantal sounds less asmatic than wheezy
[16:47] <silverarrow> more in the direction of latest science and james bond
[16:48]  * silverarrow wonders if there ever will be an iUbuntu
[16:48] <kanliot> there was a cool debian poster on reddit a week ago
[16:48] <silverarrow> that "i" has sneaked its` way in many places
[16:48] <silverarrow> what did he write then?
[16:52] <kanliot> http://claudiocomputing.wordpress.com/infographic-of-debian/
[16:53] <silverarrow> kanliot: xfburn do not work if you want to know
[16:53] <silverarrow> brasero does
[16:53] <silverarrow> burns fine
[16:54] <kanliot> don't have a burner on my 12.10
[16:54] <silverarrow> xfburn crashes almost immediately
[16:55] <kanliot> is this a ppc problem or a 12.10 problem
[16:55] <silverarrow> as long as there are working alternatives, but you sort of expect default setup to work
[16:55] <silverarrow> hmm, I shall come back to it
[16:55] <silverarrow> maybe both
[16:56] <silverarrow> I  mean maybe general 12.10
[16:57] <silverarrow> I will be able to tell more when beta 2 arrives hopefully
[16:57] <kanliot> you only have ppc
[16:58] <kanliot> assuming ppc is fixed for beta
[16:58] <kanliot> 2
[16:58] <silverarrow> well, I  have a hp computer too
[16:58] <kanliot> running 12.10?
[16:59] <silverarrow> I have set of 20 gb for it
[16:59] <kanliot> does xfburn work on the hp?
[17:00] <silverarrow> it doesn`t behave all that good, but can burn
[17:01] <silverarrow> i have to admit, most of my efforts have gone into the G4 ppc
[17:03] <silverarrow> but you have loads of regular pc users?
[17:03] <silverarrow> testers I mean
[17:03] <kanliot> naa
[17:04] <silverarrow> sort of inbetween yes and no....
[17:04] <kanliot> i think we have 5-15 people on lubuntu qa
[17:05] <kanliot> and that's probably twice what kubuntu and xubuntu have
[17:06] <silverarrow> so lubuntu has become popular?
[17:06] <kanliot> phillw and ballons are trying to do more formalized testing
[17:06] <kanliot> i wish them luck
[17:06] <kanliot> but mainly it's all about just spending time
[17:06] <kanliot> hours testing
[17:06] <kanliot> that's the only metric that matters
[17:07] <kanliot> xubuntu is probably 2-10 times more popular than lubuntu
[17:07] <silverarrow> is it the lxde and software setup, or the ability to run on low specs?
[17:07] <kanliot> and ubuntu is probably 2-10 times more popular than xubuntu
[17:07] <kanliot> you can tell that i don't ahve good numnbers
[17:08] <silverarrow> yes, ubuntu is main version
[17:08] <silverarrow> I go for ubuntu too on a regular laptop
[17:09] <silverarrow> i suppose lubuntu is for the older computers
[17:09] <silverarrow> the ones you still can make use for
[17:09] <silverarrow> of*
[17:10] <silverarrow> the reason I have been a bit stubborn with the ibook is because it is silent and nice to write on
[17:10] <kanliot> i chose lubuntu on my pc, coz i didn't like the other *buntus
[17:10] <kanliot> simple choice
[17:10] <kanliot> and my pc is new
[17:10] <silverarrow> I have done the same
[17:10] <kanliot> if xubuntu hadn't been so buggy
[17:11] <silverarrow> had lubuntu on both my laptops
[17:11] <kanliot> i assure you i'd be using it
[17:11] <kanliot> and they still haven't fixed the bugs
[17:11] <kanliot> and it's been a year
[17:11] <kanliot> that was my first post on the mailing list
[17:11] <knome> kanliot, like, what bugs?
[17:11] <silverarrow> I don`t understand why they don`t to more fixing on packages for longterm distros
[17:11] <kanliot> angerd some people
[17:12] <silverarrow> bugs are not liked
[17:12] <silverarrow> and only show up on some hardware
[17:12] <knome> silverarrow, sometimes it's not possible. sometimes a change from mainbuntu breaks a thing in a flavor
[17:12] <knome> and there's no time to react to that
[17:12] <kanliot> this was a minor bug really
[17:12] <kanliot> just a little thing with the scrollbars
[17:12] <silverarrow> on the forum now, there is a post on ppc quantal how smooth and fantatic it is
[17:12] <knome> or maybe there's not enough workforce (patches welcome)
[17:12] <kanliot> like in 12.10
[17:12] <silverarrow> I cannot flippin even install it
[17:13] <kanliot> evince's scrollbars are alll stupid
[17:13] <kanliot> excuse my value judgement
[17:13] <kanliot> but they are all messed up
[17:13] <knome> kanliot, the fact that a bug looks tiny doesn't mean it's trivial to fix.
[17:13] <knome> kanliot, if you think it's trivial to fix, why didn
[17:13] <knome> 't you send a patch?
[17:13] <kanliot> heh
[17:13] <silverarrow> my iBook G4 have rather high specs,
[17:14] <knome> it's too easy to blame others for not fixing bugs X, Y and Z
[17:14] <kanliot> sorry didn't mean to get you emotionally involved
[17:14] <kanliot> its just a fact
[17:14] <silverarrow> it isn`t much but som powerpc are really low
[17:14] <knome> nah... no problem, but really, patches ARE welcome :)
[17:14] <kanliot> couldn't fix the scrollbar bugs in xubuntu
[17:14] <kanliot> so i switched
[17:15] <kanliot> not like you'd want me filing bugs anyhow
[17:15] <kanliot> hehe
[17:15] <knome> kanliot, we actually would like to have bugs filed...
[17:15] <kanliot> i've filed like 5 bugs in 4 days
[17:16] <knome> let's see you file 5 bugs in 4 hours and then we can talk about too many bugs..
[17:16] <knome> well, not even then, if they are valid
[17:16] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/927435
[17:16] <kanliot> theres the scrollbar bug
[17:16] <knome> if there's no bugs, developers do not know what to fix
[17:16] <kanliot> in firefox, the gtk theme makes scrollbars difficult to click on
[17:17] <kanliot> so a bug with gtk+ theming
[17:17] <kanliot> would be nice if the devs who wrote gtk, would also help with the theming bugs
[17:17] <knome> not much i can do with lubuntu-default-theme
[17:17] <knome> kanliot, yes please
[17:17] <kanliot> yes
[17:17] <knome> kanliot, if you make that happen, i'll make you get the nobel peace prize
[17:17] <kanliot> too much
[17:18] <silverarrow> i posted my fluke discovery with totem and gonme mplayer, but I don`t know if anyone cares or can make any sense of it
[17:18] <knome> kanliot, if you have a bug for xubuntu about that, i'll make sure it get fixed for 12.10.
[17:18] <knome> *gets
[17:18] <kanliot> no thank you
[17:19] <kanliot> i don't have the bug
[17:19] <knome> gtk3 changed so much during both cycles that unfortunately we had to use way too much time on fixing bugs due to that
[17:19] <kanliot> i was so "NEW" to ubuntu i was "filing the bug on the forum"
[17:19] <kanliot> yeah we have had so much wierd stuff with gtk3
[17:19] <kanliot> themese
[17:19] <kanliot> not crashes
[17:19] <knome> unfortunately yes
[17:19] <kanliot> but white rectangles
[17:20] <knome> haven't had that myself yet, but other problems, just ask how many
[17:20] <kanliot> "system performance and benchmarks" is broken for 1 theme, but not another
[17:21] <kanliot> and sorry if i was trashing xubuntu
[17:21] <kanliot> i guess i was a little bit
[17:21] <kanliot> my bad
[17:21] <knome> it's ok as long as you've filed a bug that we've actually had a chance to respond and try to fic the
[17:21] <knome> fix the issue
[17:22] <kanliot> heh
[17:22] <kanliot> is xubuntu up to a 800mb cd? now
[17:22] <knome> nope
[17:22] <kanliot> we are still doing 700mb in lubuntu
[17:22] <knome> the latest images are 708/693, we need to trim down some on amd64
[17:23] <kanliot> i'm trying to get Lubuntu to switch off gnome-mplayer
[17:23] <knome> good luck with that
[17:23] <kanliot> but the image size is always a reason :)
[17:23] <kanliot> :)
[17:23] <kanliot> yeah
[17:23] <knome> well naturally.
[17:23] <kanliot> don't you have libre office too?
[17:24] <knome> nope
[17:24] <kanliot> or am i just making that up
[17:24] <kanliot> ok
[17:24] <knome> had abiword and gnumeric, but dropped gnumeric to get some space
[17:24] <knome> had gimp too, but dropped that for the same reason
[17:24] <silverarrow> when I lunch gnome mplayer in terminal or even firefox and mplayer in terminal I get a lot of screeming and yelling
[17:24] <kanliot> wow
[17:24] <silverarrow> still, it streams fine sometimes
[17:24] <kanliot> that's some serious cuts
[17:25] <knome> at some point in the cycle, we were looking at ~815MB for amd64
[17:25] <knome> so yes, you do need some cuts
[17:25] <silverarrow> i hope lubuntu stays on one cd
[17:25] <knome> in the end it was painless, neither of the apps aren't in the absolute core of the "xubuntu experience"
[17:26] <knome> ...and you can always install them from the repositories
[17:26] <silverarrow> it isn`t too bad installing a writer or office
[17:26] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1048003
[17:27] <kanliot> please if you have time take a look at that bug in 12.10
[17:27] <kanliot> minor bug
[17:27] <silverarrow> I have tried to fix battery indicator
[17:27] <knome> that's an *evince* bug
[17:27] <kanliot> yup
[17:27] <kanliot> don't you use evince?
[17:27] <silverarrow> it just doesn`t read charge levels
[17:27] <silverarrow> in lxde lubuntu
[17:28] <knome> yeah, but we barely have time to keep our self-created stuff bugfree
[17:28] <silverarrow> It is a common thing
[17:28] <knome> no way we're going to have time for evince hacking...
[17:28] <kanliot> maybe i need to file it upstream
[17:28] <kanliot> i keep getting confused
[17:28] <knome> that would probably give better results
[17:28] <kanliot> about filing upstream or on launchpad
[17:28] <kanliot> confused and frustrated
[17:29] <knome> when it's possible it's ubuntu-specific then on LP
[17:29] <knome> when it's not, usually upstream
[17:29] <kanliot> if it's not ubuntu specific
[17:29] <knome> "ubuntu-specific" meaning that it only happens on ubuntu or its flavors
[17:29] <kanliot> should there also be a LP bug filed?
[17:29]  * silverarrow imagines ubuntu on a large vinyl disk
[17:29] <kanliot> yeah
[17:30] <knome> kanliot, you can always file both, and link them
[17:30] <knome> kanliot, at least launchpad allows you to link bugs from other bug trackers
[17:30] <kanliot> yeah i've done that
[17:30] <knome> yep
[17:30] <knome> anyway, i need to go
[17:30] <kanliot> k
[17:30] <kanliot> c u
[17:30] <knome> see you later and good luck with the stuff :)
[18:48] <njin> Hallo balloons, booting today amd64 build I've got "Unidefined video mode number: 0 ........." just after the splash screen (human-keyboard),
[18:48] <balloons> njin, nice
[18:48] <njin> is this a grub problem ?
[18:49] <balloons> the live cd amd64?
[18:49] <balloons> I still have yesterdays copy
[18:49] <njin> yes in VM and real hardware
[18:49] <njin> just synced
[18:52] <balloons> grub afaik didn't yet land
[18:52] <balloons> let's see
[18:54] <balloons> nope, 1.99-22ubuntu2
[18:55] <balloons> anyways, interesting you had it happen in vm
[18:55] <njin> uhm, sems to me to remember that there was something like vga=...
[18:55] <njin> but i'm totally unsure
[18:56] <njin> I open a report against grub then
[18:56] <balloons> fair enough
[18:56] <balloons> I'll check and confirm once you open it
[18:57] <njin> ok, thanks, I've also run some test fors for maas, but there was a bug in maas dhcp ( I've thinked to create a subnet in the vm and let only the maas bridged, what do you think about ?)
[18:58] <balloons> maas dhcp bug eh?
[18:58] <balloons> so it wouldn't grab it's own ip properly?
[18:58] <njin> yes, it wont install in sunday iso
[19:00] <njin> uhm, today's build wants to run in low graphics mode (real hardware) but works fine in VM (damn Nvidia)
[19:23] <njin> balloons, i've reported against casper, because on an old report vorlon tells that is not a grub bug, but i'm not sure if it is a casper bug. bug 1050006
[19:23] <balloons> k
[19:23] <balloons> I'm synced
[19:23] <balloons> let me try and confirm it
[19:24] <balloons> lol
[19:24] <balloons> that's pretty epic
[19:25] <balloons> wow.. I wonder if all images are affected
[19:27] <njin> balloons, now I reboot to install updates, then i go to install the grub2
[19:35] <njin> balloons, there's some particular testcase for grub2 or just install and see if it works ? there's a page to report the results ?
[19:38] <balloons> njin, no it's completely open
[19:38] <balloons> email colin back your findings
[19:41] <balloons> njin, marked your bug as a dupe..
[19:41] <balloons> jbicha responded
[19:55] <njin> balloons, thanks, grub 2 actually installed and working with one disk and one OS. tomorrow I attach another disk and do more tests. see you soon
[19:56] <njin> go to sleep
[21:57] <phillw> stgraber: permission for a PM?
[22:07] <wxl> already here as always phillw
[22:07] <phillw> wxl: let me go catch up with the emails.
[22:08] <wxl> silverarrow: you've tested the recent dailies and the g4 won't install?
[22:09] <phillw> wxl: I have a fond attachement to ppc's, they served my Mum well as company accounting computer.
[22:09] <phillw> It is for that reason I have asked for "where are we"
[22:09] <wxl> phillw: i guess i meant you don't have one. your dedication is not to solve your own plight.
[22:09] <silverarrow> wxl, is there a daily with updated installer?
[22:09] <silverarrow> full iso image ?
[22:09] <wxl> silverarrow: only one way to find out
[22:10] <silverarrow> I was told no way to install until beta 2, only then would there be new fill iso put out?
[22:11] <silverarrow> wait*
[22:11] <wxl> phillw: ↑ ?!
[22:11] <phillw> wxl: the 'new' computer is a mac mini, quite a few years old, but it can use an external monitor (19 ") that my mum can read instead of the all in one that was 15 ". Same keyboard and mouse for last 10 years.
[22:11] <wxl> phillw: well cool. you're doing testing on it right? XD
[22:11] <phillw> silverarrow: not from me, you were not
[22:11] <wxl> that certainly seems like a silly premise
[22:12] <wxl> silverarrow: if ubiquity is updated, it will get applied to the next daily iso
[22:12] <wxl> if it does get fixed there, then it will be in beta 2
[22:12] <wxl> (if it's done in time)
[22:12] <phillw> wxl: sadly, I am not. It is a production system that runs the accounts for my parents' compnay.
[22:12] <wxl> phillw: bummer
[22:13]  * silverarrow searches for a daily 
[22:13] <phillw> not at all... I've found a linux version of the accounts system :D
[22:13] <phillw> But, I cannot afford the system to be down for days.
[22:13] <wxl> ")
[22:14] <xnox> silverarrow: what bug # are you after?
[22:14] <wxl> new email from greg
[22:14] <xnox> silverarrow: if it's not fix-released it's not on a daily yet. it it is fix-release +24 hours since fix-released than it is on the daily
[22:15] <wxl> silverarrow: note that greg is using the current daily and reports his experience
[22:16] <silverarrow> I`m just hoping someone have fixed the possible xorg stuff for ppc, and freezing GUI installer
[22:16] <silverarrow> any installer really
[22:17] <phillw> silverarrow: it appears not to be xorg, per-se, but a need to use a different x.org file
[22:17] <wxl> silverarrow: sounds like there may be some graphics issues but he got both alternate and desktop to install
[22:18] <silverarrow> I booted CD using different nomode and what I found suggested on the ubuntu forum, but I could not install?
[22:19] <silverarrow> apparently it only affects some
[22:19] <phillw> greg is pretty good at reporting bugs, the guys at -release within ubuntu are pretty good at fixing once they have sufficient information.
[22:20] <silverarrow> yes, it is all about correct identification of problem
[22:20] <phillw> this is why I said on both emails, it is you guys with the hardware who MUST help the devs. If they cannot reproduce it in virtual machine... you are the only ones who can help.
[22:23] <wxl> did he send this to the list? looks like he only replied to me
[22:24] <phillw> wxl: I have not seen a reply from greg, he usually does reply to all.
[22:24] <wxl> bah
[22:24] <wxl> what's that ubiquity bug # silverarrow ?
[22:24] <phillw> just forward it :)
[22:25] <wxl> well no i'm going to put it all on him to fix it :)
[22:25] <wxl> actually he's mentioned bugs so i'm giong to make him report the bugs XD
[22:25] <silverarrow> wxl, yes,
[22:25] <phillw> wxl: send him https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs
[22:25] <phillw> :D
[22:26] <silverarrow> I managed to boot live cd some what running,
[22:26] <wxl> silverarrow: just gimme your bug numbers on ubiquity and xorg
[22:27] <silverarrow> well I did report on launchpad
[22:27] <phillw> silverarrow: I mentioned this the other day.... make clear notes, every mouse click etc. and file a bug report... The devs MUST be able to repeat it in order to fix it.
[22:27] <wxl> right
[22:27] <wxl> give me the bug numbers
[22:27] <wxl> bug numbers
[22:27] <wxl> bug numbers
[22:27] <wxl> pleasssssssssssssssssse
[22:27] <silverarrow> let me look them up in thunderbird
[22:28] <phillw> silverarrow: no, you look them up on the pen and paper you have by the side of you. Everything little thing you do, you write down.
[22:28] <wxl> oh shush tree killer
[22:29] <phillw> wxl: I do use both sides :P
[22:30] <wxl> i've looked in ubiquity for ppc bugs and don't find a single one you filed silverarrow
[22:30] <phillw> balloons: can you have a check for ^^, please?
[22:31] <wxl> a check for whether or not both sides of the paper were used?
[22:36] <phillw> wxl: I actually fold an A4 sheet of paper twice, 8 pieces of notes :)
[22:36] <wxl> hey man, this is 'merika. we don't got no a4 here ;)
[22:36] <phillw> my Mum is a book keeper, hates waste.
[22:36] <wxl> yay
[22:38] <phillw> the veg peelings get cooked for the two border collies, the dogs give a WTF look if there is no veg / gravy / pasta on their food :)
[22:39] <phillw> as to cooking short dated beef mince with red wine, browning and thickening ... pass :D
[22:41] <silverarrow> this one I think
[22:41] <phillw> but, they have wet noses, shiny hair and run miles and miles at the sea-side, can't be doing them any harm :
[22:41] <silverarrow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1046619
[22:41] <silverarrow> took for ever to search up
[22:42] <phillw> silverarrow: this looks as if it is the still not confirmed live video=ofonly area
[22:43] <phillw> as the x.org fix does not apply to ppc graphic chips
[22:43] <phillw> wxl: your views?
[22:43] <silverarrow> it is that one still for me, but here it looked a but like ubiquity froze up,
[22:44] <silverarrow> well it definitely did, but the reason it froze is the question I suppose
[22:44] <silverarrow> are ppc graphics that different?
[22:44] <silverarrow> I thought it was only the cpu
[22:45] <phillw> silverarrow: the graphic chips are totally different as well.
[22:45] <silverarrow> ppc weirdness
[22:45] <silverarrow> non-pc with added weirdness
[22:46] <silverarrow> I could not make the alternate work either, but I would have to download and burn all over
[22:47] <silverarrow> I actually bought a stack of cd to be ready for the beta 1 release, I have not started on it yet
[22:47] <phillw> silverarrow: this is why I have asked on two separate email threads for the two issues to be allocated. They are two very different bugs and we need them to be made clearly as such.
[22:47] <wxl> that ubiquity bug is about the installer
[22:47] <wxl> which is not about the graphics, right?
[22:47] <wxl> (no it's not)
[22:47] <wxl> and it sounds like greg made the installer work
[22:47] <wxl> for both isos
[22:48] <wxl> so i need to get him to call this fixed
[22:48] <wxl> and you, silverarrow, need to grab a daily and confirm that
[22:48] <silverarrow> I wonder why the G4 doesn`t agree with the installer at all, and other Gs works fine?
[22:48] <wxl> if not, put a new comment on it and call it a regression
[22:48] <wxl> greg is using a g4 btw
[22:48] <silverarrow> powerbook or ibook?
[22:48] <phillw> wxl: two sperate bugs, they must be kept apart.  greg may have a solution to both, but they are seperate bugs and must be treated as such.
[22:49] <wxl> ti powerbook
[22:49] <silverarrow> I see
[22:49] <wxl> phillw: agree and that's my point
[22:49] <wxl> so where's the other bug/
[22:49] <silverarrow> I have the last iBook
[22:49] <silverarrow> which have double the specs needed to run lubuntu on regular pc
[22:49] <wxl> i have a powerboook too
[22:49] <wxl> so can't duplicate your experience
[22:50] <silverarrow> but then  again, the added weirdness of ppc
[22:50] <silverarrow> well, that might be both an advantage and a disadvantage
[22:51] <silverarrow> Can I get by with regular cd R tonight?
[22:51] <wxl> sure
[22:51] <wxl> cd-rws are nice for long term because you can just keep burning over and over
[22:51] <silverarrow> I have loads of them
[22:52] <phillw> silverarrow: if you do not mind chewing up an cd-r, then sure, go use it.
[22:53] <phillw> silverarrow: but at SLOWEST speed you can. one of the good things about cd-rw is that they force a slow wrire :)
[22:53] <wxl> what about that graphics bug #?
[22:53] <phillw> wxl: I'm just going to dig through.
[22:54] <silverarrow> yes, I know about the slow speed issue with isos
[22:54] <silverarrow> it took me a while to figure it out
[22:55] <phillw> wxl: it was not in meeting, I'm going to have to check the -release logs... give me a few minutes.
[22:55] <wxl> we had a meeting?
[22:55] <wxl> oh
[22:55] <wxl> u-qa meeting
[22:55] <wxl> nm
[22:55] <silverarrow> I`m using the first of the ppc listed at the bootom here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1046619
[22:56] <wxl> got me excited for a second
[22:56] <silverarrow> or rather downloading
[22:56] <wxl> silverarrow: just looking for the graphics bug
[22:57] <silverarrow> i shall have to go into town for cd-rw
[22:58] <silverarrow> which isn`t long, just 10 mintues on my bike
[22:59] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1046951
[22:59] <silverarrow> I can`t figure out which graphics card I have
[22:59] <silverarrow> the apple page is a maze
[23:00] <wxl> why not use system profiler?
[23:01] <silverarrow> wxl, did you ever get sylpheed to work on ppc ?
[23:01] <wxl> didn't try
[23:01] <wxl> again, need to get going on that
[23:01] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041625
[23:02] <wxl> NO
[23:02] <silverarrow> the advantage of thunderbird is, it is idiot proof
[23:02] <wxl> NOT PPC
[23:02] <wxl> ↑ phillw
[23:02] <wxl> not to shout, just trying to make it really really clear
[23:03] <phillw> wxl: we did not find that out untill too late
[23:03] <wxl> phillw: i know
[23:03] <silverarrow> graphics card is pci?
[23:04] <wxl> um
[23:04] <wxl> should be yeah
[23:04] <phillw> that bug was marked as not affecting ppc
[23:04] <wxl> lspci should get you there too come to think of it
[23:04] <wxl> also silverarrow for future bugs, please tag them powerpc
[23:05] <phillw> buy I think it is still open, hence my asking the ppc team to check on which bugs are still applicalbe.
[23:06] <silverarrow> AMD M11 NV (FireGL Mobility T2e) (rev80) prog-if 00
[23:07] <phillw> wxl: silverarrow the bug for ppc has moved to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1046951
[23:07] <wxl> there's an echo in here
[23:08] <silverarrow> yeah, the bot gets exited by bugs
[23:08] <phillw> wxl:lol, it is the bug bot confirming the bug exists and there has not been a typo. getting the correct numbers of a bug report in the incorrect order can cause problems :)
[23:09] <phillw> bug 1046915
[23:09] <phillw> you see how easy it is to get wrong?
[23:09] <wxl> hahahahah
[23:10] <phillw> wxl: and that is why the bug-bot repeats a bug number.
[23:11] <wxl> ok
[23:11] <wxl> reply sent
[23:11] <wxl> sometimes all i feel like i'm doing is shuffling papers
[23:12] <phillw> you'll do well in QA :P
[23:12] <wxl> i do a better job of orchestrating, directing, and advocating than i do actual testing O_O
[23:12] <phillw> "It's like trying to heard cats" :)
[23:12] <wxl> heh
[23:12] <wxl> well greg's replying personally to me
[23:13] <wxl> arild never says a darn thing on the mailing list XD
[23:13] <wxl> etc. etc.
[23:13] <phillw> how often does greg reply to forum / facebook stuff?
[23:13] <wxl> uh
[23:14] <wxl> well i aviod the forums
[23:14] <wxl> i don't see him too much on facebook from what i remember
[23:14] <phillw> we are all conduits to the final goal...... REPORT THE BLOODY BUG !!!! :D
[23:14] <wxl> indeed
[23:14] <silverarrow> is there a way to activate wireless all from CD?
[23:14] <silverarrow> any wireless really
[23:14] <wxl> um
[23:15] <wxl> not sure
[23:15] <wxl> broadcom drivers are open source now, right, phillw ?
[23:15] <silverarrow> I don`t have access to router until tomorrow evening
[23:15] <wxl> are they already in there?
[23:15]  * wxl reminds himself about that seed thing
[23:16] <silverarrow> I had to install b43 something to get wireless working though
[23:16] <phillw> silverarrow: mine works fine, if you have a b43 system, then no, you will need to plug in to get the driver. broadcom will not allow the driver onto F.OSS, you have to sigh an agreement
[23:16] <wxl> oh
[23:16] <wxl> i thought they released those a few years back?
[23:16] <silverarrow> very sneaky of them
[23:16] <silverarrow> I don`t now why they care
[23:17] <silverarrow> it shoudl be a pluss marketing ways ?
[23:18] <phillw> wxl: there are cutters, but broadcom are similar to grpahics chip developers... they do not allow GPL license on the drivers. They are a part of restricted extras, but AFAIK, Broadcom have not even signed up fior that yet.
[23:18] <wxl> lame
[23:19] <phillw> silverarrow: the ubuntu team does have a list of laptops that work well, need work. need a lot of work, are a pain the in the ass, and don't even bother.....
[23:19] <phillw> it relies on people to keep it updated
[23:20] <phillw> silverarrow: wxl https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Procedures
[23:20] <phillw> paer of the QA team
[23:20] <silverarrow> thanks
[23:20] <phillw> *part*
[23:20] <silverarrow> I hope samsung 9 series goes on the list
[23:20] <wxl> http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/
[23:21] <phillw> silverarrow: do not hope.... DO!
[23:21] <wxl> brb i'm about to tear the cables out of this machine and throw it across the freaking room
[23:21] <phillw> ... oops.. padawan flash back @)
[23:21] <wxl> stupid windows i have to reboot
[23:22] <phillw> wxl: I have a server asking for that.... Any time in the next 365 days is okay with it.
[23:23] <silverarrow> I usually dont have trouble with windows
[23:24] <silverarrow> can I download and burn the b43 drives on a cd as a package?
[23:25] <silverarrow> for quantal that is, but they  are the same?
[23:25] <wxl> oh nm i fixed it somehow
[23:25] <wxl> weird glitch
[23:26] <wxl> i'll report the bug
[23:26] <wxl> OH WAIT NEVERMIND
[23:26] <wxl> wow that's a great question silverarrow
[23:26] <wxl> the long story is yes, you can build your own iso
[23:26] <wxl> the short answer is: put it on something else :)
[23:28] <silverarrow> oh, usb drive?
[23:28] <wxl> ya
[23:28] <silverarrow> can do
[23:28] <wxl> btw that's what greg did for one of his installs
[23:28] <wxl> no cds, just usb
[23:28] <silverarrow> I fickle to much with usb installs, at least os
[23:29] <silverarrow> not sure iBooks can , some I think
[23:29] <wxl> yeah i had problems with powerbook
[23:29] <wxl> the biggest problem is openfirmware
[23:29] <wxl> it's very buggy
[23:30] <wxl> which is NOT what you want for a firmware
[23:30] <silverarrow> i think I have that?
[23:30] <silverarrow> at least graphics, not sure
[23:31] <silverarrow> however, 12.04 is fine on this old thing, everybit as clear screen picture as tiger
[23:32] <wxl> every mac has open firmware
[23:32] <silverarrow> something is working
[23:32] <silverarrow> oh you mean the bios thing
[23:33] <silverarrow> macs don`t hav BIOS, they have something much better; open firmware
[23:33] <silverarrow> osx the most advance operative system in the world
[23:34] <silverarrow> it just works
[23:34] <wxl> silverarrow: open firmware is NOT better
[23:34] <silverarrow> lol
[23:34] <wxl> and os x is a big meh
[23:34] <silverarrow> go say that on a mac forum
[23:34] <wxl> you lift up the hood and it looks so hacked together it's not even funny
[23:35] <wxl> sorry, i haven't been taking my apple drugs
[23:35] <wxl> it's kind of like thx1138
[23:35] <wxl> :/
[23:35] <silverarrow> there are no bugs in osx, they are quietly swept under the carpet, any hardware weakness is firmly denied
[23:35] <wxl> oh i see
[23:35] <wxl> SARCASM
[23:35] <wxl> right
[23:36] <wxl> i see some talk about compat-wireless including the broadcom open source drives
[23:36] <wxl> what's up with that?
[23:37] <silverarrow> not sure
[23:37] <wxl> i can't find the package anywhere
[23:37] <silverarrow> the b43 thing worked on my wireless so I never ventured any further
[23:38] <wxl> broadcom = b43
[23:38] <silverarrow> I was given the option of two commands b43 legacy and another one, I chose the other one
[23:40] <silverarrow> on the initial install I had to blacklist he b43 drivers
[23:42] <silverarrow> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[23:43] <silverarrow> or perhaps it was the restricted packages and reboot that did it
[23:43] <silverarrow> not sure
[23:45] <silverarrow> short visist
[23:57] <phillw> silverarrow: can I PLEASE drill this into you?... WRITE DOWN EVERY STEP.
[23:58]  * silverarrow uses left fingers in trained touch method to type in sudo commands in terminal
[23:59] <silverarrow> opens package manager and installs totem