=== richard is now known as Guest52971 [01:08] http://ubuntu.audioca.st/ - new.. [05:46] aloha [05:50] morning czajkowski [05:52] \o [05:52] Voting day here today. [05:52] glad to see i'm not the only one who has to get up at such a miserable hour [05:52] even tho MartijnVdS you're +1 :) [05:52] 7:52 ;) [05:52] who are you voting for? [05:53] dunno yet [05:53] ~21 parties to choose from [05:53] woah :-/ [05:53] some are obvious "joke" parties, and some I'd never vote for [05:53] that makes it rather difficult [05:53] but there are 3-4 parties I like [05:54] what is of concern there the most? economy? [05:55] Economy/budget, "Europe" (I'm for it, most politicians against) [05:58] ok, same old then :) [05:58] anyway, gotta jet, ttyl! [05:58] * mattt is on the road [05:58] it's not that early; it's almost light out! [06:27] GM [06:28] hi am having some problem while installing any new softwares or pakages in my ubuntu 12.04 [06:28] can any one help me in that [06:28] sahad: can you describe the problem you're having? [06:29] sahad: or copy the error message :) [06:29] give me a minut [06:30] The package system is broken Check if you are using third party repositories. If so disable them, since they are a common source of problems. Furthermore run the following command in a Terminal: apt-get install -f [06:30] this is the error message am getting [06:30] when i trie to update [06:30] sahad: which program do you use? the software centre? [06:30] yes [06:30] sahad: did you install packages from somewhere else than software centre? [06:31] (earlier) [06:31] yea i terid once [06:31] which package was that? [06:31] it was a language pack [06:31] malayalam [06:31] and how did you try to install that? [06:32] using erminal window [06:32] using 'apt-get install language-pack-something' or 'dpkg -i'? [06:32] i will copy paste the way i did [06:33] cd Desktop/ubuntu-8.04-ml [06:33] sudo dpkg -i *.deb [06:33] these two commands i did [06:33] morning lovelies [06:33] sahad: ok.. so you installed the 8.04 language pack on 12.04, I see how that would break :) [06:34] am sorry am not that advanced user [06:34] sahad: if you could open a terminal, and type "apt-get -s -f install", then put the output on pastebin (see topic) [06:34] sahad: no problem, we'll fix this easily [06:34] k let me try that [06:34] thanks [06:35] sahad: the "-s" means "don't actually do anything", it'll show what it would do if you did "apt-get -f install" [06:35] here is what am getting [06:35] sahad@sahad-IdeaPad:~$ apt-get -s -f install NOTE: This is only a simulation! apt-get needs root privileges for real execution. Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated, so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation! Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: l [06:36] sahad: please use the pastebin : [06:36] !pastebin [06:36] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [06:37] one minut [06:37] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 sahad@sahad-IdeaPad:~$ apt-get -s -f install NOTE: This is only a simulation! apt-get needs root privileges for real execution. Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated, so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation! Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading sta [06:38] sahad: that's not the URL to pastebin.. [06:39] morning [06:39] then? [06:39] sahad: please give us the link from the browser's URL bar, which looks like "http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200043/" [06:39] (but with a different number [06:39] yeah i got it [06:39] timo managed to get 1200000 :) [06:39] popey: woo :) [06:40] and i pasted the txt in that [06:40] and clicked on paste [06:40] and am getting a new window with the and one option to download as text [06:41] sahad: yes, and at the top in the white bar, where you type the URL it shows what you should paste to us, but don't worry I've found it. [06:41] only one option is there [06:41] its to download as text [06:41] No in your browser's URL bar [06:41] even higher :) [06:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200042/ [06:41] sahad: can you put the output of this on pastebin: ls -l Desktop/ubuntu-8.04-ml/*.deb [06:42] sahad: Thank you! [06:43] k i will do that [06:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200046/ here it is [06:47] *opens link* [06:47] ?? [06:47] sahad: I asked for "ls -l" not "dpkg -i" [06:47] sahad: you can do this: [06:47] k let me try once more [06:48] sahad: no I have enough info [06:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200049/ [06:49] now? [06:49] sahad: dpkg --remove ttf-malayalam-fonts scim-modules-table scim-ml-phonetic scim-m17n:i386 scim-init ml-xkbpatch ml-ubuntu ml-phonetic-mozhi m17n-db libm17n-0:i386 libgd2-xpm:i386 libotf0:i386 [06:50] am sorry i am not a advanced user so some dificulties in understanding [06:50] how i am suppose to use thease commands? [06:50] sahad: in a terminal [06:50] all togather? [06:51] sahad: it's one line [06:51] kk [06:51] so dpkg --remove etc. etc. [06:52] but it saysrequesed operation requires super user privilages [06:52] sahad: ah, put 'sudo' in front [06:52] sudo dpkg --remove etc. etc. [06:52] kk [06:53] After this, you can re-install Malaysian support through "System Settings" -> "Language support" [06:53] "System Settings" is in the menu (top right, click the 'Gear' icon) [06:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200061/ [06:54] ths is what i got [06:54] some error [06:54] check tht link [06:54] sahad: ok.. can you do 'sudo apt-get -s -f install' again, and paste the output? [06:55] k [06:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200063/ here it is [06:56] sahad: ok, no try without -s [06:57] sudo-get -f install? [06:57] sudo apt-get -f install [06:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200069/ here it is [07:00] sahad: you're on 12.04, right? [07:00] yeah [07:00] sahad: can you paste the output of 'uname -a'? [07:01] sure [07:01] popey: packages.ubuntu.com = down [07:02] thanks [07:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200070/ [07:02] * popey pokes IS [07:02] sahad: apt-get -f install libgd2-xpm [07:03] with sudo? [07:03] yes, sorry [07:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200072/ [07:05] sahad: apt-get -f install libgd2-xpm libjpeg62 [07:06] The 'dpkg -i' broke a lot of things :( [07:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200076/ [07:07] so what to do now? [07:07] sahad: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgd2/libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6ubuntu2_i386.deb [07:07] sahad: then sudo dpkg -i libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6ubuntu2_i386.deb [07:07] then "sudo apt-get -f install" again [07:12] what does that do? [07:16] morning everyone :) [07:19] good morning knightwork and all the other luvley people [07:20] hello pinky :) how are you today [07:20] I'm just fine, how's you? [07:23] I've not long woken up and listened to http://ubun2.me/ whilst having breakfast and it's put me in a good mood [07:24] new ubuntu.audiocast [07:24] not serious but fun [07:27] an audiocast ? [07:27] so no RSS ? And not downloadable ? [07:27] :) [07:27] * knightwork things thats just odd [07:27] hey popey === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [07:28] also they make a point that they don't use the term "podcast" because someone found it offensive, yet delivering the show via flash is fine [07:29] I shall from now on always remember "audio.cast" [07:30] umm .audiocast [07:30] not audioca.st ? [07:30] hehe [07:30] oh early here.. ah the title i get it now [07:30] ahh, 08:30 and my laptop goes bonkers.. that'll be the backup [07:32] yup from now on I shall always use the term in irc as audioca.st - ty for inspiration [07:40] "podcast" = Offensive ? [07:40] So we have to pussy-foot our way around the RFM lovers now too ? [07:40] RMS lovers i mean [07:43] Jabber \o/ [07:43] here is what virtual RMS thinks of my laptop http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200100/ [07:44] * daubers fires up the Quantel VM [07:44] :) [07:44] is their show knightwork, they can call it what they like :) [07:45] Oooh... is all the canonical stuff now moving to python 3? Just seen python3-update-manager in my updates list [07:46] hows folks? [07:46] hey czajkowski ! [07:46] doing fine [07:46] howzyou ? [07:46] glad to hear it [07:46] not bad in the office woring away [07:46] * AlanBell gives czajkowski a k [07:47] I'll probably go out shopping for an ultrabook tomorrow [07:47] want an 11 inch that runs nicely and doesnt break the bank [07:48] funny thing : All the PC models I found are more expensive then the apple macbook air. [07:48] But me wants an 11 inch to run Ubuntu on [07:57] * czajkowski hasa 13'' ultrabook [07:58] I just sold my (old) macbook air (it was a 13 inch) [07:58] i would like to have an 11 inch [07:58] i looked at the asus zenbook , but you can't get your hands on it in Belgium .. and it has an nvidea card ... so i'm kinda scared running ubuntu on it [08:01] Jabber \o/ [08:01] I'm getting so slow :/ [08:03] czajkowski: what ultrabook do you have ? [08:05] ive heard the zenbook is kind plasticy and not great build quality [08:05] toshiba z830 [08:06] jussi: realy ? interesting [08:06] czajkowski: saw that one yesterday in the shop . Purdy Cewl [08:06] yarp [08:06] Sheldon rocks! [08:06] czajkowski: that actually looks pretty nice [08:06] So .. the only alternative I have is to buy a mac , wipe the drive and put ubuntu on it. [08:06] which Laney has done [08:06] and runs well it seems [08:06] Happy middle-of-the-week, everyone! :-D [08:07] only an i3 though :/ can you get more ? [08:07] * jussi hides from JamesTait - stop being so positive, its only wednesday [08:07] Morning all [08:07] :P [08:07] And a cold Wednesday at that. [08:08] Yay! It's Wednesday [08:08] Happy Birthday JamesTait [08:08] Wednesday is Hackspace day \o/ [08:09] Why thank you, TheOpenSourcerer. :) [08:10] I remember in Stockholm the locals used to go out and have a bit of session on Wednesday evenings - they called it the "Little Weekend" IIRC. [08:10] And there was me thinking I'd erased all evidence of that fact from the public record. [08:10] * TheOpenSourcerer is out with some old mates tonight for beer and an "All you can eat Chinese" :-D [08:11] JamesTait: Facebook is your enemy - I got an email reminding me a few days ago. [08:11] TheOpenSourcerer: I guessed that'd be it. [08:11] Good job I trust you. [08:12] good morning everyone. [08:16] gord: where are you......... [08:17] oh just seen him arrive [08:17] minus cake! [08:17] for shame! [08:26] czajkowski: Double cake next time then? [08:31] * czajkowski sends gord to the cake shop [08:31] pie ok too? [08:46] PIE! [08:46] :) === WillemTheMarxist is now known as RaycisCharles [08:52] Morning all [09:13] morning chaps. i have a document that states an industry standard % for incremental changes for backups in the enterprise, can't find any source for this - anyone know of one? [09:40] Hi folks [09:41] I exchanged my ancient nv gt8800 with a gt520 yesterday, since then I've had a couple of spurious reboots in 12.04.1... any idea why? [09:41] nv driver version is 37xsomething [09:42] I don't think it's power consumption, I guess the gt8800 would draw a lot more power than the 520. [09:42] Is the card sat in well? [09:43] And can you double-check the version of the driver. 37something doesn't exist. [09:47] aquarius: and crash goes gwibber on 12.10 :( [09:47] czajkowski, heh. Ping kenvandine when he's up... [09:48] yeah [09:48] me and gwibner never see eye to eye :/ [09:48] aquarius: the U1 post yesterday seems to have gone done well yesterday [09:49] yeah, the web music store is cool [09:53] I'm debating doing something on it [09:54] aquarius: so on gwibber you flick to each colum no way to see them all on one page or am I missing something [09:54] I get all tweets on one page [09:54] hit arrow and over to direct message [09:54] then all @me [09:54] I think you can add a column [09:54] HUD > column might have something :) [09:55] look em and the the HUD do not get one [09:55] which reminds me [09:55] gord: is in throwing object distance of me [09:56] anyone on 12.10 can cofirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1049495 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1049501 [09:56] Ubuntu bug 1049495 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Login screen reports "unauthorized" before I even type a password" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:56] Ubuntu bug 1049501 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Flashing cursor appears in several random places on the screen" [Undecided,New] [10:01] Morning all [10:01] davmor2: ello [10:12] removing gwibber and gwibber-service is one of the first things i do on a fresh install [10:12] oimon: +1 [10:13] -1 [10:13] I use Hotot - very nice (and lightweight) compared to Gwibberish [10:13] i used to, then i realised i don't use twitter much [10:14] i don't use a client anymore [10:14] i just check twitter on my phone while i'm waiting for the tube [10:14] standing at the only bit you can get a signal [10:15] oli: yep, card is set in and fastened with a screw [10:16] Oli: Driver version is "ubuntu current" ;-) let me check [10:16] nvidia 295.40, sorry for the mixup [10:20] czajkowski, you sure bug 1049495 is a gdm issue? [10:20] Launchpad bug 1049495 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Login screen reports "unauthorized" before I even type a password" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049495 [10:20] we dont ship gdm by default [10:23] hoover: Nothing's jumping out at me. I agree it's probably not power-related and the driver *should* be fine as far as I know. [10:25] You could upgrade it to 304.43 with the x-swat ppa but there are no guarantees that's any better. [10:29] davmor2: is your envelope thingy gone [10:29] popey: aye I knot tis not default. [10:29] czajkowski: no my indicator-messages is still in place [10:30] popey: I'm assuming those bugs are related to the new gnome ubuntu cd [10:30] i care not then [10:31] davmor2: hmm mine is gone [10:32] czajkowski: check it is installed [10:34] czajkowski: or better still sudo apt-get purge indicator-messages && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop indicator-messages and see if it was an upgrade issue [10:34] czajkowski: other than that pick on gord not his fault I just like to see him squirm [10:35] i've been using 304.43 without issue (different card though) [10:36] ahh [10:36] popey: mc-launcher top app for last month [10:41] gwibber was nice once, then it just got heavier and heavier [10:41] Oli: yep I'll do some more testing, the machine apparently survived the night (12h uptime) [10:44] directhex: I found the version in 12.10 to be a lot more responsive I think it has been on a diet with the port process maybe [10:45] Hi everyone [10:46] cliftonts: hello [10:46] I've found an odd quirk with 12.10, thought I'd pop on and see if anyone else had it etc [10:47] I've got an old laptop with a broadcom card in it. The card needs to be manually enabled with terminal commands before it works because of the driver issues. [10:47] But this time when I did so it didn't appear to work. There was nothing in the networks list at all. [10:48] I added the network I was connecting to into the network list using the edit screen and it connected up straight away, the networks all showed up and it's worked fine ever since [10:49] I just thought it's odd, since rebooting after installing the drivers usually leaves you with a fully working system and I can see how people may be confused by this new behavious [10:49] *behaviour [10:55] Thanks guys, that really helps! [10:58] cliftonts: or be patient [10:58] people could in fact be working :) [10:58] Really? I find that to be a very bad habit. Try to avoid it if I can! [10:59] I was expecting some sort of response, even something off topic [10:59] generally, if your expecting network manager to do the right thing you're probably going to be surprised [11:00] I was assuming that not everybody on here is going to be at work [11:00] And that not everybody on here is working in IT [11:04] System program problem detected - Do you want to report the problem now? [11:04] That feature is a great idea but it gets old VERY quickly when the machine is in a bad mood! [11:04] popey: on quantal do you know how the new addition drivers thing is meant to work? ie when installing in virtualbox jockey used to say to install the additional drivers for vbox but the new addition drivers lists nothing [11:04] virtualbox driver is broken in 12.10 iirc [11:05] popey: ah that might explain it then [11:05] needs updating for next x i think [11:05] feel free to poke people! [11:06] popey: Any chance you could take a quick read of my issue above and tell me if this is a known issue or just my pc? [11:06] * davmor2 pokes christel and czajkowski cause popey told me to....../me wonders off nonchalantly whistling [11:08] cliftonts, you shouldn't have to manually edit to add a network [11:08] it should find them [11:08] cliftonts: have you had a look to see if there is a bug for it, if not that might be a good place to start, if you don't see one then it might be your machine but you should still file a bug, but the broadcom driver is a binary blob so there is nothing we can do about it [11:08] sometimes broadcom chips are slow to scan though, so they don't show up immediately [11:09] popey: It does find them but it refused to until I added the first one manually [11:09] maybe it would have done if you waited longer :) [11:09] or it could be a bug [11:09] And bare in mind I'm used to doing that procedure and I've never believed it to have gone wrong before [11:09] but that's not intended behaviour [11:09] cliftonts: once you installed the driver did you reboot? [11:10] Perhaps I should re-install and really sit back and watch it [11:10] yes davmor2 [11:12] I'm trying to navigate launchpad but I've used it so infrequently I'm a bit lost! lol [11:14] Nope, I've got no idea how to just look at bugs for 12.10 [11:17] cliftonts: just use google and "ubuntu bugs launchpad broadcom" and then sift through the results [11:18] I'll have a browse later I think. I should really get back to work. I'll re-install the system and try it again, this time leaving it for an extra long time before giving up on it [11:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/broadcom-sta [11:22] Bye then [11:23] you're welcome cliftonts [11:26] Thanks, I'll let you know if it's a bug or me just going mad! [12:03] popey: what was it your thinkpad forward/back buttons were doing wrong? Mine appear to behave as they should everywhere [12:04] triggering hud [12:04] in 12.04 [12:04] will try in 12.10 [12:05] Ah! I didn't try it in 12.04 [12:05] they do nothing in 12.10 [12:06] it doesn't seem to in 12.10 but I've already changed the HUD shortcut to something daft so I don't mis-invoke it [12:08] you wouldn't notice it then [12:08] the keys do ALT+Left and ALT+Right [12:08] Ahh [12:09] I suspected as much. [12:10] if I put the HUD key back to alt, the back/forward keys still work [12:31] Good afternoon peeps :) [12:32] hey biggie [12:32] o. [12:32] o/ [12:37] Good morning! [12:40] Nighty night [12:43] popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.3af [12:43] :D [12:44] popey: ROFLOL @ pic [12:45] I feel a bit silly. [12:46] I've seen people do that at times === Twinkletoes is now known as Guest28776 [12:51] anyone looked at firefox mobile OS? [12:51] what sort of kernel does it run? [12:51] popey: seen my Dad do that and damage his laptop. On my own, I regularly try to plug USB into the RJ45 socket [12:52] oimon: an android kernel [12:52] ali1234, thanks. even the UI looks like android [12:52] well, 1.6 android [12:52] pretty much yes. but it is html5 and can be run inside desktop mozilla [12:53] ditto bigcalm [12:53] popey, you get some odd trolls on your g+ posts [12:53] I do? [12:53] the ones about the netbook? [12:53] looking at the asus post [12:53] yeah [12:53] bigcalm: How do chap [12:54] davmor2: rought. Woke myself and Hayley up with a coughing fit around 4am last night [12:56] bigcalm: :( not good, is it a dry tickly cough? [12:56] oimon: lotta trolls out there :/ [12:56] although a certain fabian is the worst of the lot! [12:57] he's blocked :) [12:57] at least on my feed [12:57] see his comments on popey's steam g+ update [12:57] trolltastic [12:58] nope I dont see them as I have him blocked [12:58] oh come on now. popey is trolling us on G+ every day anyway [12:58] oh, g+ also blocks their comments? cool [12:58] lol [13:01] davmor2: no, is a phlegmy cough [13:02] robert kryten llewellyn is complaining on his feed that he is bombarded with "use ubuntu" comments every time he has a tech question [13:04] i think its because of the comments on https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RobertLlewellyn/posts/75dKwLUyYHV [13:04] shows that he has a high number of opensource followers :) [13:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlHeZO7ZzEg&feature=youtube_gdata [13:06] is this perhaps the most pointless thing ever? [13:07] love how he can't find the @ on the OSK [13:07] ali1234: not far off [13:07] ali1234, what a waste of electricity [13:09] i'll never understand the fact that coke are one of the biggest companies on the planet [13:09] well, it's not like keyboard layouts are standardised... [13:09] have they stumbled upon a universally enjoyed drink? or are people just doing what they are told? or monopoly? [13:25] popey: I was looking for an ancient page about running a secondary X server, and found an entry on commandlinefu.com which cites the Ubuntu UK podcast as a related site :) [13:26] oh gosh, I used to have that working. :0 on nvidia dualhead and :1 on the composite tvout. [13:26] oimon: it's hard to argue that there's a monopoly going on [13:26] I'd blame marketing largely [13:27] dwatkins, they link to us on every page :D [13:27] popey: haha ok [13:28] shauno: yeah, I remember reading about someone who had :0 for himself, and :1 for his kids to play games on; we were discussing in the office having a honeypot X server for someone who might come along and try to mess with your machine if it's not locked [13:28] we frequently run multiple x servers [13:28] thats what happens when you switch user [13:29] OpenSuSE had a neat mechanism of creating an X session for each remote user [13:29] I think it was via VNC [13:31] xdmcp used to be the way to do it [13:31] e.g. http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.2/Installation_Guide/s2-trouble-remotex.html [13:31] is that where you run the server and connect remotely to an X client running your actual apps? [13:31] ah yes, -query [13:32] first unix machine I used was a dumb X terminal :D [13:32] yeah, sad that it is so broken these days [13:32] I assumed there were simply more efficient ways to remotely display now [13:32] on solaris i used to do it quite a bit [13:32] i use freenx nowadays [13:33] but it's slightly different, but cool in that you can resume/suspend sessions [13:33] we used to boot the X Terminals off a separate system when the local server was down, you had to know the hexadecimal equivalent of the remote machine's IP address, but it allowed you to get work done when the rest of the room was unable to function :) [13:33] and highly efficient bandwidth [13:33] yeah, NX seems to be the fastest for what I use it for, over my ADSL connection [13:33] ssh -X [13:33] dwatkins, i used to used NCD dumb diskless soplaris terminals [13:33] they rocked [13:34]