[01:08] <popey> http://ubuntu.audioca.st/  - new..
[05:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[05:50] <mattt> morning czajkowski
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> Voting day here today.
[05:52] <mattt> glad to see i'm not the only one who has to get up at such a miserable hour
[05:52] <mattt> even tho MartijnVdS you're +1 :)
[05:52] <MartijnVdS> 7:52 ;)
[05:52] <mattt> who are you voting for?
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> dunno yet
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> ~21 parties to choose from
[05:53] <mattt> woah :-/
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> some are obvious "joke" parties, and some I'd never vote for
[05:53] <mattt> that makes it rather difficult
[05:53] <MartijnVdS> but there are 3-4 parties I like
[05:54] <mattt> what is of concern there the most?  economy?
[05:55] <MartijnVdS> Economy/budget, "Europe" (I'm for it, most politicians against)
[05:58] <mattt> ok, same old then :)
[05:58] <mattt> anyway, gotta jet, ttyl!
[05:58]  * mattt is on the road
[05:58] <shauno> it's not that early; it's almost light out!
[06:27] <livingdaylight> GM
[06:28] <sahad> hi am having some problem while installing any new softwares or pakages in my ubuntu 12.04
[06:28] <sahad> can any one help me in that
[06:28] <MartijnVdS> sahad: can you describe the problem you're having?
[06:29] <MartijnVdS> sahad: or copy the error message :)
[06:29] <sahad> give me a minut
[06:30] <sahad> The package system is broken  Check if you are using third party repositories. If so disable them, since they are a common source of problems. Furthermore run the following command in a Terminal: apt-get install -f
[06:30] <sahad> this is the error message am getting
[06:30] <sahad> when i trie to update
[06:30] <MartijnVdS> sahad: which program do you use? the software centre?
[06:30] <sahad> yes
[06:30] <MartijnVdS> sahad: did you install packages from somewhere else than software centre?
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> (earlier)
[06:31] <sahad> yea i terid once
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> which package was that?
[06:31] <sahad> it was a language pack
[06:31] <sahad> malayalam
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> and how did you try to install that?
[06:32] <sahad> using erminal window
[06:32] <MartijnVdS> using 'apt-get install language-pack-something' or 'dpkg -i'?
[06:32] <sahad> i will copy paste the way i did
[06:33] <sahad> cd Desktop/ubuntu-8.04-ml
[06:33] <sahad> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[06:33] <sahad> these two commands i did
[06:33] <christel> morning lovelies
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> sahad: ok.. so you installed the 8.04 language pack on 12.04, I see how that would break :)
[06:34] <sahad> am sorry am not that advanced user
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> sahad: if you could open a terminal, and type "apt-get -s -f install", then put the output on pastebin (see topic)
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> sahad: no problem, we'll fix this easily
[06:34] <sahad> k let me try that
[06:34] <sahad> thanks
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> sahad: the "-s" means "don't actually do anything", it'll show what it would do if you did "apt-get -f install"
[06:35] <sahad> here is what am getting
[06:35] <sahad> sahad@sahad-IdeaPad:~$ apt-get -s -f install NOTE: This is only a simulation!       apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.       Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,       so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation! Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed:   l
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> sahad: please use the pastebin :
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin
[06:37] <sahad> one minut
[06:37] <sahad>  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34  	  sahad@sahad-IdeaPad:~$ apt-get -s -f install NOTE: This is only a simulation!       apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.       Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,       so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation! Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading sta
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> sahad: that's not the URL to pastebin..
[06:39] <popey> morning
[06:39] <sahad> then?
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> sahad: please give us the link from the browser's URL bar, which looks like "http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200043/"
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> (but with a different number
[06:39] <sahad> yeah i got it
[06:39] <popey> timo managed to get 1200000 :)
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: woo :)
[06:40] <sahad> and i pasted the txt in that
[06:40] <sahad> and clicked on paste
[06:40] <sahad> and am getting a new window with the and one option to download as text
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> sahad: yes, and at the top in the white bar, where you type the URL it shows what you should paste to us, but don't worry I've found it.
[06:41] <sahad> only one option is there
[06:41] <sahad> its to download as text
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> No in your browser's URL bar
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> even higher :)
[06:41] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200042/
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> sahad: can you put the output of this on pastebin: ls -l Desktop/ubuntu-8.04-ml/*.deb
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> sahad: Thank you!
[06:43] <sahad> k i will do that
[06:45] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200046/ here it is
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> *opens link*
[06:47] <sahad> ??
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> sahad: I asked for "ls -l" not "dpkg -i"
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> sahad: you can do this:
[06:47] <sahad> k let me  try once more
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> sahad: no I have enough info
[06:49] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200049/
[06:49] <sahad>  now?
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> sahad: dpkg --remove ttf-malayalam-fonts scim-modules-table scim-ml-phonetic scim-m17n:i386 scim-init ml-xkbpatch ml-ubuntu ml-phonetic-mozhi m17n-db libm17n-0:i386 libgd2-xpm:i386 libotf0:i386
[06:50] <sahad> am sorry i am not a advanced user so some dificulties in understanding
[06:50] <sahad> how i am suppose to use thease commands?
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> sahad: in a terminal
[06:50] <sahad> all togather?
[06:51] <MartijnVdS> sahad: it's one line
[06:51] <sahad> kk
[06:51] <MartijnVdS> so dpkg --remove etc. etc.
[06:52] <sahad> but it saysrequesed operation requires super user privilages
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> sahad: ah, put 'sudo' in front
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> sudo dpkg --remove etc. etc.
[06:52] <sahad> kk
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> After this, you can re-install Malaysian support through "System Settings" -> "Language support"
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> "System Settings" is in the menu (top right, click the 'Gear' icon)
[06:54] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200061/
[06:54] <sahad> ths is what i got
[06:54] <sahad> some error
[06:54] <sahad> check tht link
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> sahad: ok.. can you do 'sudo apt-get -s -f install' again, and paste the output?
[06:55] <sahad> k
[06:55] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200063/ here it is
[06:56] <MartijnVdS> sahad: ok, no try without -s
[06:57] <sahad> sudo-get -f install?
[06:57] <MartijnVdS> sudo apt-get -f install
[06:59] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200069/ here it is
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> sahad: you're on 12.04, right?
[07:00] <sahad> yeah
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> sahad: can you paste the output of 'uname -a'?
[07:01] <sahad> sure
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: packages.ubuntu.com = down
[07:02] <popey> thanks
[07:02] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200070/
[07:02]  * popey pokes IS
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> sahad: apt-get -f install libgd2-xpm
[07:03] <sahad> with sudo?
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> yes, sorry
[07:04] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200072/
[07:05] <MartijnVdS> sahad: apt-get -f install libgd2-xpm libjpeg62
[07:06] <MartijnVdS> The 'dpkg -i' broke a lot of things :(
[07:06] <sahad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200076/
[07:07] <sahad> so what to do now?
[07:07] <MartijnVdS> sahad: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgd2/libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
[07:07] <MartijnVdS> sahad: then sudo dpkg -i libgd2-xpm_2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
[07:07] <MartijnVdS> then "sudo apt-get -f install" again
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> what does that do?
[07:16] <knightwork> morning everyone :)
[07:19] <pinky-> good morning knightwork and all the other luvley people
[07:20] <knightwork> hello pinky :) how are you today
[07:20] <pinky-> I'm just fine, how's you?
[07:23] <pinky-> I've not long woken up and listened to http://ubun2.me/ whilst having breakfast and it's put me in a good mood
[07:24] <pinky-> new ubuntu.audiocast
[07:24] <pinky-> not serious but fun
[07:27] <knightwork> an audiocast ?
[07:27] <knightwork> so no RSS ? And not downloadable ?
[07:27] <popey> :)
[07:27]  * knightwork things thats just odd
[07:27] <knightwork> hey popey
[07:28] <popey> also they make a point that they don't use the term "podcast" because someone found it offensive, yet delivering the show via flash is fine
[07:29] <pinky-> I shall from now on always remember "audio.cast"
[07:30] <pinky-> umm .audiocast
[07:30] <popey> not audioca.st ?
[07:30] <pinky-> hehe
[07:30] <pinky-> oh early here.. ah the title i get it now
[07:30] <popey> ahh, 08:30 and my laptop goes bonkers.. that'll be the backup
[07:32] <pinky-> yup from now on I shall always use the term in irc as audioca.st - ty for inspiration
[07:40] <knightwork> "podcast" = Offensive ?
[07:40] <knightwork> So we have to pussy-foot our way around the RFM lovers now too ?
[07:40] <knightwork> RMS lovers i mean
[07:43] <daubers> Jabber \o/
[07:43] <AlanBell> here is what virtual RMS thinks of my laptop http://paste.ubuntu.com/1200100/
[07:44]  * daubers fires up the Quantel VM
[07:44] <popey> :)
[07:44] <popey> is their show knightwork, they can call it what they like :)
[07:45] <daubers> Oooh... is all the canonical stuff now moving to python 3? Just seen python3-update-manager in my updates list
[07:46] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[07:46] <knightwork> hey czajkowski  !
[07:46] <knightwork> doing fine
[07:46] <knightwork> howzyou ?
[07:46] <czajkowski> glad to hear it
[07:46] <czajkowski> not bad in the office woring away
[07:46]  * AlanBell gives czajkowski a k
[07:47] <knightwork> I'll probably go out shopping for an ultrabook tomorrow
[07:47] <knightwork> want an 11 inch that runs nicely and doesnt break the bank
[07:48] <knightwork> funny thing : All the PC models I found are more expensive then the apple macbook air.
[07:48] <knightwork> But me wants an 11 inch to run Ubuntu on
[07:57]  * czajkowski hasa 13'' ultrabook 
[07:58] <knightwork> I just sold my (old) macbook air (it was a 13 inch)
[07:58] <knightwork> i would like to have an 11 inch
[07:58] <knightwork> i looked at the asus zenbook , but you can't get your hands on it in Belgium .. and it has an nvidea card ... so i'm kinda scared running ubuntu on it
[08:01] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[08:01] <MattJ> I'm getting so slow :/
[08:03] <knightwork> czajkowski: what ultrabook do you have ?
[08:05] <jussi> ive heard the zenbook is kind plasticy and not great build quality
[08:05] <czajkowski> toshiba z830
[08:06] <knightwork> jussi: realy ? interesting
[08:06] <knightwork> czajkowski: saw that one yesterday in the shop . Purdy Cewl
[08:06] <czajkowski> yarp
[08:06] <czajkowski> Sheldon rocks!
[08:06] <jussi> czajkowski: that actually looks pretty nice
[08:06] <knightwork> So .. the only alternative I have is to buy a mac , wipe the drive and put ubuntu on it.
[08:06] <czajkowski> which Laney has done
[08:06] <czajkowski> and runs well it seems
[08:06] <JamesTait> Happy middle-of-the-week, everyone! :-D
[08:07] <jussi> only an i3 though :/ can you get more ?
[08:07]  * jussi hides from JamesTait - stop being so positive, its only wednesday
[08:07] <diplo> Morning all
[08:07] <jussi> :P
[08:07] <JamesTait> And a cold Wednesday at that.
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! It's Wednesday
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Happy Birthday JamesTait
[08:08] <daubers> Wednesday is Hackspace day \o/
[08:09] <JamesTait> Why thank you, TheOpenSourcerer. :)
[08:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> I remember in Stockholm the locals used to go out and have a bit of session on Wednesday evenings - they called it the "Little Weekend" IIRC.
[08:10] <JamesTait> And there was me thinking I'd erased all evidence of that fact from the public record.
[08:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer is out with some old mates tonight for beer and an "All you can eat Chinese" :-D
[08:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> JamesTait: Facebook is your enemy - I got an email reminding me a few days ago.
[08:11] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: I guessed that'd be it.
[08:11] <JamesTait> Good job I trust you.
[08:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:16] <czajkowski> gord: where are you.........
[08:17] <czajkowski> oh just seen him arrive
[08:17] <czajkowski> minus cake!
[08:17] <czajkowski> for shame!
[08:26] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Double cake next time then?
[08:31]  * czajkowski sends gord to the cake shop
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> pie ok too?
[08:46] <popey> PIE!
[08:46] <brobostigon> :)
[08:52] <hoover> Morning all
[09:13] <oimon> morning chaps. i have a document that states an industry standard % for incremental changes for backups in the enterprise, can't find any source for this - anyone know of one?
[09:40] <hoover> Hi folks
[09:41] <hoover> I exchanged my ancient nv gt8800 with a gt520 yesterday, since then I've had a couple of spurious reboots in 12.04.1... any idea why?
[09:41] <hoover> nv driver version is 37xsomething
[09:42] <hoover> I don't think it's power consumption, I guess the gt8800 would draw a lot more power than the 520.
[09:42] <Oli> Is the card sat in well?
[09:43] <Oli> And can you double-check the version of the driver. 37something doesn't exist.
[09:47] <czajkowski> aquarius: and crash goes gwibber on 12.10 :(
[09:47] <aquarius> czajkowski, heh. Ping kenvandine when he's up...
[09:48] <czajkowski> yeah
[09:48] <czajkowski> me and gwibner never see eye to eye :/
[09:48] <czajkowski> aquarius: the U1 post yesterday seems to have gone done well yesterday
[09:49] <aquarius> yeah, the web music store is cool
[09:53] <diplo> I'm debating doing something on it
[09:54] <czajkowski> aquarius: so on gwibber you flick to each colum no way to see them all on one page or am I missing something
[09:54] <czajkowski> I get all tweets on one page
[09:54] <czajkowski> hit arrow and over to direct message
[09:54] <czajkowski> then all @me
[09:54] <aquarius> I think you can add a column
[09:54] <aquarius> HUD > column might have something :)
[09:55] <czajkowski> look em and the the HUD do not get one
[09:55] <czajkowski> which reminds me
[09:55] <czajkowski> gord: is in throwing object distance of me
[09:56] <czajkowski> anyone on 12.10 can cofirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1049495  or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1049501
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:12] <oimon> removing gwibber and gwibber-service is one of the first things i do on a fresh install
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: +1
[10:13] <davmor2> -1
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> I use Hotot - very nice (and lightweight) compared to Gwibberish
[10:13] <oimon> i used to, then i realised i don't use twitter much
[10:14] <oimon> i don't use a client anymore
[10:14] <oimon> i just check twitter on my phone while i'm waiting for the tube
[10:14] <oimon> standing at the only bit you can get a signal
[10:15] <hoover> oli: yep, card is set in and fastened with a screw
[10:16] <hoover> Oli: Driver version is "ubuntu current" ;-) let me check
[10:16] <hoover> nvidia 295.40, sorry for the mixup
[10:20] <popey> czajkowski, you sure bug 1049495 is a gdm issue?
[10:20] <popey> we dont ship gdm by default
[10:23] <Oli> hoover: Nothing's jumping out at me. I agree it's probably not power-related and the driver *should* be fine as far as I know.
[10:25] <Oli> You could upgrade it to 304.43 with the x-swat ppa but there are no guarantees that's any better.
[10:29] <czajkowski> davmor2: is your envelope thingy gone
[10:29] <czajkowski> popey: aye I knot tis not default.
[10:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: no my indicator-messages is still in place
[10:30] <davmor2> popey: I'm assuming those bugs are related to the new gnome ubuntu cd
[10:30] <popey> i care not then
[10:31] <czajkowski> davmor2: hmm mine is gone
[10:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: check it is installed
[10:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: or better still sudo apt-get purge indicator-messages && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop indicator-messages and see if it was an upgrade issue
[10:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: other than that pick on gord not his fault I just like to see him squirm
[10:35] <oimon> i've been using 304.43 without issue (different card though)
[10:36] <czajkowski> ahh
[10:36] <davmor2> popey: mc-launcher top app for last month
[10:41] <directhex> gwibber was nice once, then it just got heavier and heavier
[10:41] <hoover> Oli: yep I'll do some more testing, the machine apparently survived the night (12h uptime)
[10:44] <davmor2> directhex: I found the version in 12.10 to be a lot more responsive I think it has been on a diet with the port process maybe
[10:45] <cliftonts> Hi everyone
[10:46] <davmor2> cliftonts: hello
[10:46] <cliftonts> I've found an odd quirk with 12.10, thought I'd pop on and see if anyone else had it etc
[10:47] <cliftonts> I've got an old laptop with a broadcom card in it. The card needs to be manually enabled with terminal commands before it works because of the driver issues.
[10:47] <cliftonts> But this time when I did so it didn't appear to work. There was nothing in the networks list at all.
[10:48] <cliftonts> I added the network I was connecting to into the network list using the edit screen and it connected up straight away, the networks all showed up and it's worked fine ever since
[10:49] <cliftonts> I just thought it's odd, since rebooting after installing the drivers usually leaves you with a fully working system and I can see how people may be confused by this new behavious
[10:49] <cliftonts> *behaviour
[10:55] <cliftonts> Thanks guys, that really helps!
[10:58] <czajkowski> cliftonts: or be patient
[10:58] <czajkowski> people could in fact be working :)
[10:58] <cliftonts> Really? I find that to be a very bad habit. Try to avoid it if I can!
[10:59] <cliftonts> I was expecting some sort of response, even something off topic
[10:59] <BigRedS> generally, if your expecting network manager to do the right thing you're probably going to be surprised
[11:00] <cliftonts> I was assuming that not everybody on here is going to be at work
[11:00] <cliftonts> And that not everybody on here is working in IT
[11:04] <cliftonts> System program problem detected - Do you want to report the problem now?
[11:04] <cliftonts> That feature is a great idea but it gets old VERY quickly when the machine is in a bad mood!
[11:04] <davmor2> popey: on quantal do you know how the new addition drivers thing is meant to work?  ie when installing in virtualbox jockey used to say to install the additional drivers for vbox but the new addition drivers lists nothing
[11:04] <popey> virtualbox driver is broken in 12.10 iirc
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: ah that might explain it then
[11:05] <popey> needs updating for next x i think
[11:05] <popey> feel free to poke people!
[11:06] <cliftonts> popey: Any chance you could take a quick read of my issue above and tell me if this is a known issue or just my pc?
[11:06]  * davmor2 pokes christel and czajkowski cause popey told me to....../me wonders off nonchalantly whistling
[11:08] <popey> cliftonts, you shouldn't have to manually edit to add a network
[11:08] <popey> it should find them
[11:08] <davmor2> cliftonts: have you had a look to see if there is a bug for it, if not that might be a good place to start, if you don't see one then it might be your machine but you should still file a bug, but the broadcom driver is a binary blob so there is nothing we can do about it
[11:08] <popey> sometimes broadcom chips are slow to scan though, so they don't show up immediately
[11:09] <cliftonts> popey: It does find them but it refused to until I added the first one manually
[11:09] <popey> maybe it would have done if you waited longer :)
[11:09] <popey> or it could be a bug
[11:09] <cliftonts> And bare in mind I'm used to doing that procedure and I've never believed it to have gone wrong before
[11:09] <popey> but that's not intended behaviour
[11:09] <davmor2> cliftonts: once you installed the driver did you reboot?
[11:10] <cliftonts> Perhaps I should re-install and really sit back and watch it
[11:10] <cliftonts> yes davmor2
[11:12] <cliftonts> I'm trying to navigate launchpad but I've used it so infrequently I'm a bit lost! lol
[11:14] <cliftonts> Nope, I've got no idea how to just look at bugs for 12.10
[11:17] <davmor2> cliftonts: just use google and "ubuntu bugs launchpad broadcom"  and then sift through the results
[11:18] <cliftonts> I'll have a browse later I think. I should really get back to work. I'll re-install the system and try it again, this time leaving it for an extra long time before giving up on it
[11:19] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/broadcom-sta
[11:22] <cliftonts> Bye then
[11:23] <czajkowski> you're welcome cliftonts
[11:26] <cliftonts> Thanks, I'll let you know if it's a bug or me just going mad!
[12:03] <BigRedS> popey: what was it your thinkpad forward/back buttons were doing wrong? Mine appear to behave as they should everywhere
[12:04] <popey> triggering hud
[12:04] <popey> in 12.04
[12:04] <popey> will try in 12.10
[12:05] <BigRedS> Ah! I didn't try it in 12.04
[12:05] <popey> they do nothing in 12.10
[12:06] <BigRedS> it doesn't seem to in 12.10 but I've already changed the HUD shortcut to something daft so I don't mis-invoke it
[12:08] <popey> you wouldn't notice it then
[12:08] <popey> the keys do ALT+Left and ALT+Right
[12:08] <BigRedS> Ahh
[12:09] <BigRedS> I suspected as much.
[12:10] <BigRedS> if I put the HUD key back to alt, the back/forward keys still work
[12:31] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:32] <hoover> hey biggie
[12:32] <bigcalm> o.
[12:32] <bigcalm> o/
[12:37] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[12:40] <bigcalm> Nighty night
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.3af
[12:43] <popey> :D
[12:44] <czajkowski> popey: ROFLOL @ pic
[12:45] <popey> I feel a bit silly.
[12:46] <czajkowski> I've seen people do that at times
[12:51] <oimon> anyone looked at firefox mobile OS?
[12:51] <oimon> what sort of kernel does it run?
[12:51] <bigcalm> popey: seen my Dad do that and damage his laptop. On my own, I regularly try to plug USB into the RJ45 socket
[12:52] <ali1234> oimon: an android kernel
[12:52] <oimon> ali1234, thanks. even the UI looks like android
[12:52] <oimon> well, 1.6 android
[12:52] <ali1234> pretty much yes. but it is html5 and can be run inside desktop mozilla
[12:53] <popey> ditto bigcalm
[12:53] <oimon> popey, you get some odd trolls on your g+ posts
[12:53] <popey> I do?
[12:53] <popey> the ones about the netbook?
[12:53] <oimon> looking at the asus post
[12:53] <oimon> yeah
[12:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: How do chap
[12:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: rought. Woke myself and Hayley up with a coughing fit around 4am last night
[12:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: :( not good, is it a dry tickly cough?
[12:56] <czajkowski> oimon: lotta trolls out there :/
[12:56] <oimon> although a certain fabian is the worst of the lot!
[12:57] <czajkowski> he's blocked :)
[12:57] <czajkowski> at least on my feed
[12:57] <oimon> see his comments on popey's steam g+ update
[12:57] <oimon> trolltastic
[12:58] <czajkowski> nope I dont see them as I have him blocked
[12:58] <ali1234> oh come on now. popey is trolling us on G+ every day anyway
[12:58] <oimon> oh, g+ also blocks their comments? cool
[12:58] <popey> lol
[13:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: no, is a phlegmy cough
[13:02] <oimon> robert kryten llewellyn is complaining on his feed that he is bombarded with "use ubuntu" comments every time he has a tech question
[13:04] <oimon> i think its because of the comments on https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RobertLlewellyn/posts/75dKwLUyYHV
[13:04] <oimon> shows that he has a high number of opensource followers :)
[13:05] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlHeZO7ZzEg&feature=youtube_gdata
[13:06] <ali1234> is this perhaps the most pointless thing ever?
[13:07] <ali1234> love how he can't find the @ on the OSK
[13:07] <mgdm> ali1234: not far off
[13:07] <oimon> ali1234, what a waste of electricity
[13:09] <oimon> i'll never understand the fact that coke are one of the biggest companies on the planet
[13:09] <BigRedS> well, it's not like keyboard layouts are standardised...
[13:09] <oimon> have they stumbled upon a universally enjoyed drink? or are people just doing what they are told? or monopoly?
[13:25] <dwatkins> popey: I was looking for an ancient page about running a secondary X server, and found an entry on commandlinefu.com which cites the Ubuntu UK podcast as a related site :)
[13:26] <shauno> oh gosh, I used to have that working.  :0 on nvidia dualhead and :1 on the composite tvout.
[13:26] <BigRedS> oimon: it's hard to argue that there's a monopoly going on
[13:26] <BigRedS> I'd blame marketing largely
[13:27] <popey> dwatkins, they link to us on every page :D
[13:27] <dwatkins> popey: haha ok
[13:28] <dwatkins> shauno: yeah, I remember reading about someone who had :0 for himself, and :1 for his kids to play games on; we were discussing in the office having a honeypot X server for someone who might come along and try to mess with your machine if it's not locked
[13:28] <popey> we frequently run multiple x servers
[13:28] <popey> thats what happens when you switch user
[13:29] <dwatkins> OpenSuSE had a neat mechanism of creating an X session for each remote user
[13:29] <dwatkins> I think it was via VNC
[13:31] <oimon> xdmcp used to be the way to do it
[13:31] <oimon> e.g. http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.2/Installation_Guide/s2-trouble-remotex.html
[13:31] <dwatkins> is that where you run the server and connect remotely to an X client running your actual apps?
[13:31] <dwatkins> ah yes, -query
[13:32] <dwatkins> first unix machine I used was a dumb X terminal :D
[13:32] <AlanBell> yeah, sad that it is so broken these days
[13:32] <dwatkins> I assumed there were simply more efficient ways to remotely display now
[13:32] <oimon> on solaris i used to do it quite a bit
[13:32] <oimon> i use freenx nowadays
[13:33] <oimon> but it's slightly different, but cool in that you can resume/suspend sessions
[13:33] <dwatkins> we used to boot the X Terminals off a separate system when the local server was down, you had to know the hexadecimal equivalent of the remote machine's IP address, but it allowed you to get work done when the rest of the room was unable to function :)
[13:33] <oimon> and highly efficient bandwidth
[13:33] <dwatkins> yeah, NX seems to be the fastest for what I use it for, over my ADSL connection
[13:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> ssh -X
[13:33] <oimon> dwatkins, i used to used NCD dumb diskless soplaris terminals
[13:33] <oimon> they rocked
[13:34] <oimon> they ran an X display on the terminal
[13:34] <dwatkins> oimon: I think the ones I used were NCD also, great big sreens and the shared machine was a Solaris box
[13:34] <oimon> on 10mb ethernet
[13:34] <dwatkins> *screens
[13:34] <oimon> i used them on a trading floor in a bank
[13:35] <oimon> what's this excess flood ^^
[13:35] <dwatkins> http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/gallery/photos/xterminal - 2nd image on here (note: high resolution)
[13:35] <oimon> ah. good old days. they could fall on the floor and be OK
[13:35] <oimon> unlike my pc yesterday which fell over and i lost all data
[13:36] <dwatkins> I had all my applications set to start at login with specific places on the display
[13:36] <oimon> yep :D
[13:36] <dwatkins> we compiled fvwm so we could use it instead of whatever the default was
[13:36] <oimon> and if the X display crashed the titlebar disappeared, just like compiz :D
[13:37] <oimon> default was openwindows which was awesome
[13:37] <oimon> fvwm is based off it
[13:37] <oimon> over 10yr ago now
[13:37] <oimon> the 90s was fun
[13:38] <dwatkins> ah yes, I rel fvwm[2]
[13:38] <dwatkins> oops, I meant to write that I really liked it
[13:38]  * mgdm used fvwm2 in Uni
[13:38] <dwatkins> little did I know I'd end up supporting 4Dwm for a living ;)
[13:38] <mgdm> the machines had KDE of some sort on, too, but they were too slow
[13:39] <dwatkins> I still run xplanet to this day, as many of the fvwm screenshots use
[13:39] <dwatkins> http://www.catb.org/~esr/fvwm2/bluesteel.png
[13:39] <dwatkins> whatever happened to the image viewer 'xv'?
[13:41] <dwatkins> oh wait, that's xearth - old skool ;)
[13:41] <dwatkins> ah, wikipedia tells all
[13:44] <oimon> xv -root allowed you to set wallpaper :)
[13:46] <oimon> linux seemed so different to the strict world of soalris
[13:46] <oimon> when i first came across it in 1999
[13:47] <oimon> ah, aug 1998
[13:49] <andrews> Hey all - would anyone be able to tell me, roughly, how to connect my brand new installation of 11.04 (latest didnt work very well) laptop to my works windows 2003 server network (I know my unser names, the domain name etc I just dont know how to 'get there')
[13:50] <BigRedS> what do you mean by 'connect'?
[13:50] <BigRedS> filesharing? AD? printers?
[13:51] <AlanBell> in nautilus go to file-connect to server, change from public FTP to windows share and fill in the details
[13:51] <oimon> andrews, do you mean login to the pc using your AD credentials?
[13:53] <andrews> Not sure BigReds - Ive no idea, I usually connect to the network with a windows based user name and password, which gets me the shared drives and my outlook emails etc.  I just want to be able to do whatever is nearest to that on this ubuntu laptop - which I have got connected via ethernet cable to our works network ports
[13:53] <andrews> Our IT guys love the look of ubuntu and are keen to see it working (one is stood over my shoulder at present) though they know nothing about it
[13:56] <diplo> ~Anyone play with Samba much ?
[13:57] <diplo> @ 10.04 stage or maybe earlier there was software that let you auth
[13:57] <oimon> andrews, you can do some quite tight integration, but in the least you should be able to open the file manager and click connect to server, choose windows share and enter your user/domain/password/server
[13:57]  * diplo googles
[13:57] <oimon> likewise
[13:57] <AlanBell> andrews: getting stuff to talk to exchange can be non-trivial
[13:57] <oimon> centrify
[13:57]  * popey wants http://www.lifespanfitness.com/treadmill-desk/tr1200-dt-treadmill-desk.html one of them
[13:57] <diplo> oimon: has it
[13:58] <oimon> argh i just realised that my nslu2 which was graphing my current cost energy monitor usage got turned off 2 months ago
[14:01] <oimon> linux mint failed to install on my desktop the other day..i thought they nicked a lot of ubuntu stuff..obviously not enough. not even the / partition was bootable so it would never boot. i gave up when it that still didn't work after fixing that
[14:02] <oimon> usually the only linux i struggle with installing is opensuse
[14:06] <oimon> quite fun to plot the temperature in my house over the year http://ubuntuone.com/1dJiVA76MAFOnwFWfYoxDj
[14:08] <arsen> anyone any idea why vnc is generating loads of .pid and .log files ? when i connect to it..
[14:13] <diplo> oimon: You guys use samba at all ?
[14:14] <oimon> used to a lot over the last 10 yrs
[14:14] <oimon> got a problem?
[14:14] <diplo> l-elecbase nmbd[3709]: [2012/09/12 15:26:33, 0] nmbd/nmbd_incomingrequests.c:process_name_refresh_request(173)
[14:14] <diplo> Sep 12 15:26:33 asl-elecbase nmbd[3709]:   Error - should be sent to WINS server
[14:14] <diplo> Got lot's of servers getting filled with that
[14:15] <diplo> It's all coming from a customer site that we are permanently VPN'd into
[14:15] <diplo> I can't find a good result as to why it's publishing from the customers site to lot's of our dev servers
[14:16] <diplo> I'd understand if it was between 2 machines both running wins or pushing it both ways, but we are only receiving those requests to our servers
[14:16] <oimon> does broadcast traffic travel across the vpn?
[14:16] <diplo> yeah
[14:16] <oimon> intentionally?
[14:16] <diplo> If I could have better google foo I could find a better solution
[14:17] <diplo> Nope, well I haven't really checked the setup if I am honest
[14:17] <oimon> http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2010-March/154217.html
[14:17] <oimon> ?
[14:17] <diplo> Idevelop mainly, but I'm finding it hard to debug as most of our /var/log/messages are getting filled with this
[14:17] <oimon> "Ensure that your XP system knows where to find the WINS server"
[14:19] <diplo> yeah, I read that one, so could be the clients aren't set up correctly at the customer sites, what I don't understand is why non wins servers are getting the data to there messages file ?
[14:20] <diplo> Not sure if we still require a wins server either
[14:20] <oimon> prob not since dns will resolve things for you. there's an order that windows machines try to resolve in
[14:20] <diplo> Use of WINS (either Samba WINS or MS Windows NT Server WINS) is highly recommended
[14:21] <diplo> from Samba doc, but it doesn't explain very well why it is 'highly recommended' :)
[14:21] <bigcalm> I do wish that "YouTube personal digests" didn't kill Thunderbird :(
[14:21] <oimon> diplo, it appears always on samba machines?
[14:22] <diplo> It's off by default according to samba manual i read earlier
[14:22] <diplo> So someone has turned it on I'm guessing.
[14:23] <diplo> Going to turn it off and restart samba, see if that improves things
[14:23] <oimon> testparm will dump your samba server settings
[14:24] <diplo> Hmm, well that made 0 difference
[14:24] <oimon> did you restart nmbd?
[14:25] <oimon> or just smbd
[14:25] <diplo> yeah, restarting smb restarts both
[14:27] <czajkowski> popey: got any pope relations in Cork ?
[14:30] <oimon> is black mesas based off HL1 or 2?
[14:37] <oimon> looks fun. warning contains some sweary words http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=muzAyaTNQeE#!
[14:39] <adam_> hi
[14:47] <adam_> hi
[14:59] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ping
[15:07] <BigRedS> czajkowski: pong!
[15:07] <BigRedS> I've not sent anything yet :( Been horrendously busy...
[15:08] <BigRedS> HUD is waaaay less annoying in 12.10 than 12.04 though
[15:09] <popey> czajkowski, no idea
[15:10] <czajkowski> popey: https://twitter.com/popecork  he started to follow today
[15:47] <xnox> BigRedS: well.... compiz is less enthusiastic at stealing Alt+<Key> key presses....
[16:07] <oimon> does anyone know how to do a reverse image search in google?
[16:08] <oimon> wow http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en
[16:08] <oimon> cool
[16:08] <AlanBell> tineye is what you want for reverse image search
[16:11] <AlanBell> then again you can drag and drop images onto google image search and it does it
[16:21] <oimon> i dragged a picture of my dog and it killed my machine :(
[16:21] <oimon> i remeber when linux was rock solid
[16:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: Linux still is - Unity isn't ;-)
[16:21] <oimon> i'm on cinnamon
[16:21] <oimon> the problem was chrome though
[16:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha
[16:27]  * SuperEngineer admires oimon's diagnostic skills
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:36] <diplo> Any email server peeps/dovecot people here ?
[17:37] <diplo> Wondering why my server isn't connecting to sql
[17:37] <diplo> auth-worker(default): mysql: Connected to 127.0.0.1 (mail)
[17:37] <diplo> Should display that, but it's not... can't see any errors
[17:37] <mattt> mysql down?  :P
[17:37] <diplo> If only it were that easy :/
[17:38] <diplo> dovecot starts, but not showing it, try telneting to localhost pop3 and it's not displaying either
[17:38]  * diplo wonders whether to do a fresh install on VPS and start again
[17:40] <diplo> ooh may have found something in logs
[17:40] <mattt> whatcha got?
[17:40] <diplo> dovecot: pop3-login: Fatal: Can't load ssl_cert: There is no valid PEM certificate. (You probably forgot '<' from ssl_cert=</etc/ssl/certs/dovecot.pem)
[17:42] <diplo> Hmm still didn't make a difference :/
[17:48] <mattt> diplo: may need to crank up some debugging
[17:49]  * diplo still going
[17:50] <diplo> dovecot-mysql missing I'm hoping ( these guides suck! )
[17:50] <jacobw> http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze
[17:51] <diplo> I followed that first, the one I'm using worked fine for 10.04, but seems to have been a fair few changes for 12.04
[17:52] <diplo> rah \o/
[17:52] <diplo> One part fixed
[17:52] <diplo> Still doesn't say it's connected to sql but...
[17:52] <diplo> +OK Dovecot ready.
[17:52] <diplo> \o/
[17:52] <diplo> Break for 5 mins I think
[17:52] <diplo> At least
[17:52] <diplo> ooer At least Im learning*
[17:52] <ali1234> has anyone ever done this genealogy stuff?
[17:53] <jacobw> i have dovecot working with mysql on 10.04
[17:53] <ali1234> i'm looking at gramps and it looks ok but a bit like 1990s shareware
[17:53] <diplo> jacobw: yeah i did as well
[17:54] <davmor2> ali1234: and that is the updated version
[17:54] <ali1234> i want something that works like web 2.0
[17:54] <diplo> upgraded now, and some configs etc have hanged and a few guides not changed some of that
[17:54] <ali1234> like you tag people in photos etc
[17:54] <ali1234> drag a box around them
[17:54] <ali1234> like facebook for genealogy
[17:54] <ali1234> but not some "cloud" thing
[17:56] <ali1234> like maybe i could set up a diaspora server and make an account for all the people
[17:56] <davmor2> ali1234: gramps is the only one to use on linux everything else sucks, there are a load of web based ones but they are fairly expensive iirc
[17:56] <ali1234> or maybe there is a mediawiki plugin or something, that adds these features to it?
[17:57] <ali1234> basically i just want a wikipage for each person's bio, with autogenerated skeleton pages with relationships auto filled, and photo tagging with auto galleries
[17:57] <davmor2> ali1234: you can add photo's to a person in your tree in gramps as I understand it,  Big Ron would be the person to talk to really about it though but he is rarely on irc nowadays
[17:58] <ali1234> yes you can
[17:58] <ali1234> but you can't do it by "tagging" them like you do on facebook or G+
[17:58] <ali1234> you add the image to the person rather than adding the person (people) to the image
[17:58] <ali1234> so imagine a group shot
[17:58] <ali1234> you have to add that to each person in the image
[17:59] <ali1234> and then there is no record of who is who
[17:59] <ali1234> i have a lot of photos with like 20 people in them
[17:59] <davmor2> ali1234: crap outta luck then dude I think they all work pretty much the same way
[17:59] <ali1234> there's actually an open feature request for this in gramps
[18:00] <ali1234> maybe i can program an add-on
[18:00] <ali1234> to merge a web gallery type thing, and have it pull the list of names available for tagging from gramps
[18:00] <ali1234> it is python, so should be quite easy
[18:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: so I just found out that nvidia implemented BaseMosaic and soft limited it to 3 monitors
[18:01] <Azelphur> I gave a couple of nvidia employees a verbal beating over it \o/
[18:01] <ali1234> i have no idea what that means
[18:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: proper multi monitor support across multiple cards, what I've been waiting for for years.
[18:01] <mgdm> You're good at your 'verbal beating' thing of late
[18:02] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:02] <Azelphur> mgdm: I gave someone else a verbal beating recently?
[18:02] <mgdm> someone from eBay, someone from Amazon...?
[18:03] <ali1234> 3 monitors is better
[18:03] <ali1234> they only support 2 on most old cards
[18:04] <Azelphur> mgdm: haha, good point :P
[18:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, but 295 was bugged and the limit was removed, 304 works
[18:05] <Azelphur> so it seems like they've literally just imposed an arbitrary limit to force people to buy newer hardware
[18:05] <ali1234> time to patch it then
[18:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: or just finally bite the bullet and buy the displayport gear and drop my 6990 in
[18:18] <Azelphur> :p
[18:19] <diplo> woot, received email \o/
[18:20] <diplo> Think I need to write this up :(
[19:20] <czajkowski> anyone know why if you have your earphones plugged into the laptop and then shut down and  next time you power up mnus headphones sound is muted...
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> because bug?
[20:22] <mattt> MartijnVdS: did you vote?
[20:32] <czajkowski> popey: pay back can you do the EUR symbol here
[20:32] <czajkowski> I need to copy n paste
[20:33] <popey> €
[20:33] <popey> alt gr + 4
[20:33] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:33] <brobostigon> good evening bigcalm :)
[20:34] <bigcalm> o/
[20:34] <brobostigon> o/
[20:36] <davmor2> bigcalm how you doing now
[20:36] <bigcalm> So so davmor2
[20:36] <davmor2> :-(
[20:36] <bigcalm> Grumpy that I'm off to London tomorrow afternoon
[20:36] <czajkowski> popey: cheers
[20:37] <popey> \o/ London
[20:37] <bigcalm> -_-
[20:37] <mattt> bigcalm: sorry to hear that :(
[20:37] <mattt> i went to shoreditch on sunday, was crazy
[20:37] <mattt> couldn't wait to get out
[20:38] <bigcalm> Attending a Symfony conference on Friday
[20:38] <mattt> well, at least that should be fun :)
[20:39] <christel> aw but you love london
[20:39] <davmor2> bigcalm down to london again what did it do to endure you assaulting it
[20:39] <bigcalm> 08:00 - Registration & breakfast
[20:39] <bigcalm> I hear that there will be bacon and egg rolls for breakfast
[20:39] <mgdm> anyone here going to OSHcamp at the weekend?
[20:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: I didn't make enough people ill. Attempting to inflict more damage this time
[20:40] <christel> :o
[20:40] <bigcalm> I'd better be 100% healthy for the end of next week though
[20:40] <christel> mgdm: it is too north!
[20:41] <bigcalm> mgdm: never heard of it, wassat?
[20:41] <bigcalm> mgdm: in any case, not me. I'll be attending wedding fairs...
[20:42] <christel> bigcalm: open source hardware camp petal
[20:42] <bigcalm> christel: I see :)
[20:42] <christel> i am so tired
[20:42] <bigcalm> I hope I'm as fragrant as a petal
[20:43] <bigcalm> christel: relax, it's the evening. Ignore the fact I'm still working :)
[20:43] <mgdm> christel: BS. It's like 3 hours south of here :)
[20:43] <christel> hehe i have just made myself a coffee!
[20:43] <christel> (first one of the day)
[20:44] <czajkowski> catching up on listening to UUPC
[20:44] <bigcalm> christel: try and drink this one
[20:44] <davmor2> christel first coffee at bedtime sounds wrong somehow
[20:44] <czajkowski> that add or weird future thing is weird still not sure what it was for
[20:44] <bigcalm> czajkowski: me too, 4 eps to go
[20:44] <czajkowski> oh dear
[20:44] <czajkowski> there is more
[20:44] <bigcalm> :)
[20:44] <czajkowski> noooooo
[20:45] <christel> davmor2: tell me about it! the toddler of doom has had me running around in circles all day, no time for coffee!
[20:46] <davmor2> You should of called him kazack if his surname is doom :-)
[20:46] <christel> haha
[20:46] <davmor2> Anyway ladies and gents night night
[20:47] <christel> nn davmorius my dear
[20:47] <christel> <3
[21:16]  * MartijnVdS watches the election results
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Khazad.
[21:30] <Azelphur> has EE set a date for their 4G launch yet, or a coverage map?
[21:42] <diplo> daubers: You online ?
[21:44] <bigcalm> Sleeeep
[22:00] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[22:12] <diplo> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2176095766.png
[22:12] <diplo> Time to upgrade to fibre :(
[22:15] <diplo> gn all
[22:53] <Seeker`> Azelphur: October I think. And 'in big cities' is as much as I've been able to find
[22:53] <Azelphur> I see
[23:00] <Seeker`> Azelphur: getting an iphone 5?
[23:01] <Azelphur> Seeker`: no rofl
[23:01] <Azelphur> already have an S3, why would I want a downgrade? ;)
[23:07] <Seeker`> Azelphur: meh, can't be bothered with childish samsung fanboys :P
[23:08] <Azelphur> Seeker`: it's not a fanboy thing it's fact, have you not looked at the specs?
[23:08] <Azelphur> GS3 is better or equal to iphone 5 in every way o.O
[23:08] <Azelphur> apart from 4g which is useless to me as it probably won't be available near me in the next few years
[23:08] <Azelphur> margate is always last when it comes to things like that D:
[23:09] <Seeker`> Mali graphics cores aren't anywhere near as good as the ones the iphones use :P
[23:10] <Azelphur> Seeker`: got any benchmarks for that?
[23:10] <Seeker`> http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=Samsung%20GT-I9300%20Galaxy%20S%20III&D2=Apple%20iPhone%204S
[23:11] <Azelphur> fun
[23:11] <Azelphur> the s3 does win in a couple of those but overall the iphone seems to have it, I wonder how the iphone 5 compares
[23:12] <mgdm> I would imagine better in a couple of regards
[23:12] <Azelphur> probably
[23:12] <Seeker`> Apple state that the iphone 5 has 2x the graphics performance of the chip the iphone 4s uses
[23:12] <mgdm> the main reason I didn't get a new Android phone is that most of them are the size of a clipboard these days
[23:12] <mgdm> </troll :P>
[23:12] <Azelphur> I wonder how well it appears in actual game benchmarks :)
[23:12] <Azelphur> mgdm: haha, galaxy note do it! :P
[23:13] <Seeker`> Azelphur: The graphics chip in iphones is just better
[23:13] <Azelphur> seems so
[23:13] <Azelphur> in other benchmarks the S3 flies ahead, like browser benchmarks etc, but they are all cpu benchmarks
[23:14] <Azelphur> I'd be interested to see some game benchmarks as I say :)
[23:14] <Seeker`> Azelphur: GLbench is an accurate(ish) representation of game scenes you find on mobile devices at the moment
[23:15] <Seeker`> http://www.glbenchmark.com/the-benchmark.jsp
[23:16] <Azelphur> I see
[23:16] <Azelphur> well that's interesting to know :)
[23:16] <Seeker`> watched the video halfway down the page?
[23:16]  * Azelphur watches
[23:16] <Azelphur> I'm downloading glbench on my s3 too, gonna give it a whirl
[23:24] <MartijnVdS> S3 ViRGE?
[23:25] <directhex> S3 Trio V64+
[23:26] <mgdm> Amazon S3?