[00:01] <chris4585> it was on newegg's daily deal I believe
[00:47] <wrst> sweet deal
[13:47] <wrst> wb xTEMPLARx
[13:48] <xTEMPLARx> IT WASN'T ME I WAS FRAMED
[13:48] <xTEMPLARx> er
[13:48] <xTEMPLARx> I mean hey.. how you doin?
[13:52] <wrst> ha ha
[13:52] <wrst> good how are you?
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> so far so good
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> busy busy
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> I believe there's a bug in X.org with the current NVidia drivers that was causing my sporadic and random X.org crashes
[13:56] <xTEMPLARx> so I'm on the nouveau driver atm
[13:56] <xTEMPLARx> let's see if that "fixes" it
[13:57] <xTEMPLARx> i say "fixes" because this driver is nowhere near as good as the NVidia drivers... I see a lot of artifacting on transparencies (for example, the mouseover popups from AWN) and its much slower to draw
[13:57] <wrst> or if it causes you a whole new set of issues?
[13:58] <xTEMPLARx> thus far it's not causing any major issues, just piddly things not working that shouldn't be having problems
[13:59] <xTEMPLARx> even in nautilus, mousing over a filename can sometimes turn it into artifacty garbledness
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> and its inconsistent
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> in that the artifacting isn't always the same, and SOMETIMES it doesn't artifact... rather it works
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> so its more annoying than a problem
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:11] <wrst> i like my intel card
[14:23] <xTEMPLARx> i gots no problem with my nvidia card.  things were rock solid until I upgraded to 12.04, and performed splendidly
[14:24] <xTEMPLARx> i found the bug report on ubuntu's site about this too
[14:24] <xTEMPLARx> and the only response currently is "use nouveau till we fix it"
[14:25] <wrst> oh thats nice
[14:25] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  use arch
[14:25] <xTEMPLARx> no time to do that
[14:25] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[14:25] <wrst> took me about an hour to get it backt o going on my laptop
[14:26] <wrst> i wanted ubuntu to be the answer, but it wasn't
[14:27] <xTEMPLARx> the answer for what?
[14:28] <wrst> the answer for me to use every day on my laptop
[14:28] <wrst> but compared to arch its really full of fail
[14:28] <wrst> in order to use gnome
[14:51] <xTEMPLARx> even using the minimal install to skip installation of unity?
[14:55] <wrst> yep its still not good :)
[14:56] <wrst> gnome feels like a bloated beast in ubuntu and i'm not saying its not but in arch its very snappy on my hardware
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> a small price to pay, imo, for first-round access to most new software installations
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> almost everything comes in a .deb form, de facto
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> and for a system that I use as my primary work machine that just needs to WORK when I need it to without requiring a bunch of shoe-horning
[14:59] <xTEMPLARx> reckon I'll deal with some bloat
[14:59] <xTEMPLARx> its still 1000x better than windows
[14:59] <xTEMPLARx> and that's a lot of times
[15:23] <wrst> you know i have found arch to have everything that ubuntu has and some things it doesn't and for it to be rolling release to be as reliable, as long as you read the website before you run updates
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> who does that?
[15:31] <xTEMPLARx> ain't nobody got time fo dat!
[15:36] <wrst> ha ha well before big ones it keeps you from busting your system up :)
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> brb... gonna hafta restart at some point, as this nouveau is drivin' me batty.  going back to nvidia, crashes and all
[15:55] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: good luck :)
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> thank you sir
[15:56]  * xTEMPLARx dives in head-first.
[16:06] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ??? you still living?
[16:06] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[16:06] <wrst> cool
[16:06] <xTEMPLARx> installed latest nvidia driver from the x-update ppa
[16:06] <xTEMPLARx> man... talk about vivid
[16:06] <xTEMPLARx> nouveau can suck it
[16:06]  * xTEMPLARx waits for the crash
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[16:09] <wrst> ha ha ha
[16:25] <xTEMPLARx> so far so good
[16:26]  * xTEMPLARx knocks on particle board.
[16:59] <wrst> hopefully not with your noggin'
[17:15]  * wrst is amazed at netritious new hard drive he has pictures up of
[17:33] <xTEMPLARx> i know, that thing is HAWT
[17:34] <xTEMPLARx> a whole drive that's not even big enough for my swap partition
[17:34] <wrst> ha ha i know xTEMPLARx
[17:35] <wrst> i have a 4GB swap and well with 8GB of RAM guess it should be 16?
[17:37] <xTEMPLARx> probably not
[17:37] <xTEMPLARx> it depends on your system, but you may not even NEED 4GB swap
[17:38] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i never use any swap
[17:38] <xTEMPLARx> at those sorts of levels, it'd hinge more upon how often you actually go to swap
[17:38] <xTEMPLARx> yeah
[17:38] <wrst> actually when i reinstalled arch i forgot to put swap in fstab
[17:38] <xTEMPLARx> I've seen some recommendations that if you have more than 4GB of ram not to even use a swap partition
[17:39] <xTEMPLARx> i don't know that I subscribe to that, per se, but minimizing its size doesn't seem like such a bad idea
[17:47] <wrst> yeah 4GB seems to work well for me probably 1GB would really
[17:47] <wrst> but its for more than just extra memory boost
[17:52] <netritious> lol wrst,xTEMPLARx...I was commenting on someone's FB wall and thought I would add the pic as proof :D
[17:52] <netritious> that drive still spins up and formats
[17:52] <xTEMPLARx> as it should :D
[17:53] <wrst> ha ha netritious, massive storage
[17:53] <netritious> yeah...came out of a compaq 486 laptop from (as the drive states) 1995 lol
[17:55] <netritious> I /just/ tossed that laptop like a year or so ago. just not usable anymore. last couple years of it's life was spent running doom and wolf3d.exe
[17:56] <wrst> yeah 1995 hard to use that stuff today unless it was something super super
[18:00] <netritious> wrst: the laptop came with win 3.11, but I was so proud when I squeezed '95 and ms word on it back in '99.
[18:00] <wrst> that's pretty impressive actaully
[18:01] <netritious> yep, it took some work. I'm almost sure I used ghost to clone it from a bigger drive, like a 1.2 GB :D
[18:04] <netritious> oh and then in '04-'05 I found it in a box with some old stuff in the closet and put DOS 6.22 on it with doom, wolfenstein, quickbasic, and visualbasic 1.0 lol
[18:05] <netritious> was always a chore because the laptop predates optical and USB
[18:05] <netritious> no CD/DVD :/
[18:07] <netritious> some news: for the first time in over 15 years I do not have a M$ IDE installed on my computer.
[18:07] <wrst> taht is a chore :\
[18:08] <netritious> uninstalled MS Visual Studio 2008 yesterday. Won't be buying or reinstalling.
[18:08] <elijah-mbp> netritious: what are you using instead?
[18:09] <netritious> also removed Delphi 7/2007
[18:09] <elijah-mbp> or are you no-longer-writing-code and so don't care?  :-)
[18:09] <netritious> elijah-mbp: I haven't coded in .NET in a really long time, and it was only ever with VB (defunct) or C++ (can do that with notepad/nano/vim, etc.)
[18:10] <netritious> i write code but it's almost alwasy script now.
[18:10] <netritious> *always
[18:12] <netritious> php for html/css/sql and some cli, then bash, sh, perl
[18:13] <netritious> elijah-mbp: do you code with .NET?
[18:14] <elijah-mbp> netritious: i mostly wrote awk scripts with vim or emacs.  :-)
[18:14] <elijah-mbp> s/wrote/write
[18:14] <elijah-mbp> today it was some ruby which was an interesting change-up.  :-)
[18:15] <elijah-mbp> i have a friend that wants me to learn some powershell, i just haven't gotten around to it yet.
[18:15] <elijah-mbp> same friend wants to move from visual studio to mono-on-linux tho - complicated for him.
[18:16] <netritious> I took a look at mono but it was a loooong time ago...3+ years
[18:17] <elijah-mbp> it's one of those things.  kinda sorta works, isn't really .net so much as a c# implementation with its own warty goodness.  ;-)
[18:18] <netritious> roger...that was my take on it back then
[18:18] <elijah-mbp> my take is the 6-7 years ago timeframe, unfortunately
[18:18] <elijah-mbp> i've not really had time to deal with it.  been looking at erlang and golang and a few other things as 'interesting' lately.
[18:19] <netritious> I find myself checking in on fpc/lazarus often.
[18:20] <netritious> something about pascal is just cool to me. it's never been very popular but that's part of why I like it I think
[18:21] <netritious> next year will start on python4kids with my daughter. she is starting to come around to the idea. kinda waiting on her interest to pique a bit more.
[18:24] <netritious> she already knows if/then and a few looping methods XD
[18:27] <netritious> she also has a decent grasp on some simple types like integer and float, but string....well that is harder to explain to a child lol
[18:27] <elijah-mbp> netritious: my middle stepson (15) showed me scratch.mit.edu the other day.  i already knew about it, but was proud that he found it on his own.
[18:27] <netritious> that is very cool
[18:27] <elijah-mbp> indeed!
[18:28] <elijah-mbp> i just hope we can direct him into being a useful programmer instead of a kind of slack "i wanna be a game programmer" type.  :p
[18:28] <netritious> one can hope :D
[18:29] <netritious> python4kids is my excuse to learn python :$
[18:29] <netritious> otheriwse I have no use for it :/
[18:30] <netritious> and of course to hang with my daughter some before she hates the idea of spending time with me lool
[18:30] <elijah-mbp> i'd be happy if he wanted to make civ4 mods or something- it'd keep him out of trouble.  i'd rather he work on social skills though... it's important that he connect with people (he's deaf, so technology is an easy path for him, but it doesn't serve him socially...)
[18:31] <wrst> netritious: from what i understand daughters always will like their dads
[18:31] <wrst> or i'm hoping that is the case
[18:31] <netritious> one can hope wrst :)
[18:31] <wrst> well currently netritious i think she likes me more anyway :)
[18:32] <netritious> lol
[18:32] <wrst> i'm glad i'm seeing updates everyday on my laptop again!
[18:35] <netritious> elijah-mbp: learning social skills at his age is a must even with the hearing deficit IMHO
[18:35] <elijah-mbp> netritious: absolutely.
[18:36] <netritious> he'll do fine as long as you stay on top of him. I find that everytime I leave something to trust with my kid it's abused 99 times out of 100 lol
[18:36] <netritious> I wonder where she gets that from?!
[18:39] <netritious> she's not a 'bad kid' using any metric, but she's definitely not a go-getter about anything she deems challenging. (not a self motivator unless she is realllly interested.)
[18:40] <wrst> netritious: all bad traits come from the mother!
[18:40] <netritious> wrst: +1,000,000,000
[18:40] <wrst> ha ha just don't tell our wives ;)
[18:42] <netritious> thank goodness none of them know what IRC is :P
[18:44] <wrst> exactly!
[18:46] <netritious> installed qubes-os...it's different to say the least.
[18:47]  * wrst googles qubes-os
[18:47] <netritious> actually I've installed it about ten times, just the last one finally 'took' lol (all user error/hardware compatibility issues)
[18:48] <wrst> you have a lot of patience today netritious, i would have given up by that point
[18:48] <netritious> I always have this itch about security that needs scratching wrst
[18:49] <wrst> ahh yes i heard about this on the linux action show
[18:49]  * wrst hands in his non-nerd card for watching a linux webcast
[18:49]  * wrst receives his certificate of nerdom and geekyness however
[18:50] <netritious> lol
[18:51] <netritious> when qubes-os works right it works well and is uber paranoid secure. of course you hand it to a pron surfing n00b and they'll have it royally fubar'ed in short order.
[18:51] <wrst> ha ha
[18:52] <wrst> which reminds me i have to go pick up a laptop from my aunt that her probably 50 something yearold no job son has messed up from surfing the ... shall we say less desirable areas of the internet
[18:52] <netritious> lol nice
[18:52] <cyberanger> wrst: you mean the pirate bay & wikileaks
[18:52] <cyberanger> oh, other less desireable parts, right
[18:53] <wrst> the much less desireable type
[18:53]  * cyberanger hands wrst some gloves & a bottle of disinfectant
[18:53] <wrst> yeah netritious it is always fun i just delete stuff i never even looke to see where he has been going but i have pretty good ideas
[18:54]  * netritious climbs into his life size! plastic bubble
[18:56] <netritious> elijah-mbp: heh, I thought the scratch url you posted looked familiar...that's the one app installed on her win xp partition lol
[18:59] <elijah-mbp> netritious: ha!
[18:59] <elijah-mbp> good!
[18:59] <elijah-mbp> my pain of the moment:  building a cold-standby for an important service.  across an ssh tunnel.  in a datacenter that' ssegmented in a funny way.
[19:01] <cyberanger> elijah-mbp: sounds more like a warm standby (and a royal pain in the .... cheeks?)
[19:02] <netritious> sounds like to much fun elijah-mbp! :)
[19:03] <elijah-mbp> well, yeah.  probably the DR plan for this is going to be "if this needs to come up, set up these two ssh port forwards... and pray"
[19:03] <elijah-mbp> this is a database zone that can't even SEE the outside world.  :p
[19:03] <elijah-mbp> e.g. you can't ping google.
[19:04] <cyberanger> oh dear, that's gonna suck
[19:04] <elijah-mbp> yup!
[19:05] <cyberanger> doable though, just not something you want to bet on
[19:05] <netritious> what other option is there really for such a segmented service
[19:05] <netritious> that is, if you want a cold standby
[19:05] <netritious> for a db service that can't go outside
[19:07] <cyberanger> cold standby, clone drives and mail them away (encrypted ideally)
[19:07] <elijah-mbp> it's the sort of service that needs to be upgraded, but in a few months it'll get torn down anyway.  this is a bide-our-time kind of projct.  :-)
[19:07] <elijah-mbp> the replacement service will be muchhhhh better.
[19:07] <cyberanger> warm storage & hot storage, more of a challenge
[19:08] <netritious> elijah-mbp: sounds more like a CYA kind of project to me ;)
[19:12] <elijah-mbp> it is exactly a CYA project.  we had an outage the other day, it was not pleasant.  :-)
[19:13] <netritious> I figure no one uses a cold standby unless a critical service isn't fault tolerant or fault tolerance wasn't part of the inital design.
[19:13] <netritious> or the designed fault tolerance failed :)
[19:14] <cyberanger> or budget doesn't allow for anything else
[19:14] <elijah-mbp> well... someone trashed a DB :-)
[19:14] <elijah-mbp> and the backup was about eight hours old.
[19:14] <netritious> ack
[19:14] <netritious> that sucks
[19:14] <cyberanger> yikes
[19:14] <elijah-mbp> wrong sql script got run, randomized some data rather than just randomizing the *right* data.  :-)
[19:16] <netritious> reminds me of that Forrest Gump moment when he steps in a pile...."Sh** Happens" lol
[19:16] <netritious> sucks some one didn't think to back up the table(s) before running the bad sql...the entire DB was affected?
[19:25] <elijah-m_> ARRRRR.
[19:25] <elijah-m_> netritious: well, it's a db full of account data - there's only really one table there that matters.
[19:25] <elijah-m_> netritious: the one with the users in it.
[19:25] <elijah-mbp> for the curious, that was my macbook pro running out of juice while i sent the family out the door.  :p
[19:26] <netritious> lol wb elijah-mbp
[19:44] <wrst> elijah-mbp: my wife has a macbook that needs a new battery i'm i going to take out a morgage?
[20:18] <elijah-mbp> wrst:  not in warranty, i take it?
[20:31] <wrst> elijah-mbp: nah or i don't guess its two years old i'm suer a battery isn't
[20:31] <wrst> i don't know how warranties work on mac stuff really
[20:36] <elijah-mbp> if you have applecare on it, it'll be covered and they'll just fix it.  :-)
[20:37] <wrst> its a school laptop thing
[20:38] <wrst> that was just given to her so i'm sure it doesn't
[20:39] <elijah-mbp> oh, probably not.
[20:39] <elijah-mbp> battery should be a hundred bucks or less, i would guess.
[20:39] <elijah-mbp> hopefully lots less.
[20:41] <wrst> well my experience with apple is nothing is less...