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freestuffFirst time ever here. Does this work?09:43
tsimpsonindeed it does work09:44
freestuffNote to self: It works but I'm all alone here.09:44
freestuffHurray, Ittsimpson.09:44
freestuffTake me to your leader.09:45
freestuffPlease, check this one:    https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/tour/video/09:46
tsimpsonI have no leader, I'm one of those lone wolf types09:46
freestuffAccording to Firefox it is not trusted.09:46
freestuffSomebody in a right possission should know about it. Perhaps Linus?09:46
tsimpsonbecause the certificate is for ubuntustudio.org, rather than staging.ubuntustudio.org09:47
tsimpsonI'm guessing it's normal, as "staging" is not production09:47
freestuffUm... what?09:47
tsimpsonie, "normal" users don't use it09:47
tsimpsonstaging is the term used to describe something that isn't released to the general public, kind if like a testing ground before release09:48
freestuffWho says I'm normal? Thank you for your answer anyway.09:48
tsimpsonthat's why "normal" is in quotes ;)09:49
freestuff:D09:50
freestuffAbout Cinelerra...09:50
freestuffIs it going to happen (you know)?09:51
tsimpsonno idea, sorry09:51
freestuffPpa-repos are not my way and Cinelerra is the only (semi) pro video editing program for Linux.09:52
tsimpsonif you don't want the PPA, and you don't want to wait for it to appear in the Ubuntu repositories, you only real option is to compile it yourself09:53
smartboyhwNow what is happening here?:)09:54
freestuffCompile... Ubuntu lts is stable. Like to keep it that way.09:54
tsimpsonthen you just have to wait09:55
freestuffCompiling Cinelerra leads to problem. Half of the internet is about it.09:55
freestuffYeah, since 2005.09:55
freestuffAre there any reasons why it is not already there?10:03
freestuffFor example, some part of the code is not under the license (?)10:04
tsimpsonif it's not in Debian, it's unlikely to make it into Ubuntu10:08
ailoAh.. I wonder where he got the link to staging..10:26
smartboyhwlol10:27
Unit193https://ubuntustudio.org/tour/10:27
ailoUnit193: Aah, thanks10:28
ailoThe links on that page10:28
Unit193Sure thing.10:28
ailoFixed10:31
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smartboyhwHi asker2help11:11
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smartboyhwFine:)11:11
asker2help:)11:12
smartboyhw;)11:12
asker2helpi have a question11:12
asker2helpagain11:12
smartboyhwAlright lol11:12
smartboyhwDo ask since I'm a bit bored now:)11:12
asker2helpwhen i change volume11:12
smartboyhwUh huh11:12
tsimpsonasker2help: you can speak in #ubuntu now, but please don't flood again11:13
smartboyhwtsimpson: Oh did he flood there?11:13
asker2helpi sent hi for times11:13
asker2help311:13
smartboyhwOh alright11:13
tsimpsonand "everyone" 3 times11:13
asker2helpyes11:13
tsimpsonall on separate lines...11:13
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smartboyhwasker2help and tsimpson OK now I get it11:14
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smartboyhwPlease don't do that it is a nuisance11:14
asker2helphımm .11:14
smartboyhwasker2help: Please continue to ask your question:)11:14
tsimpsonour floodbots are over protective with webchat users11:14
asker2helpok11:15
asker2helpwhen i change volume11:15
smartboyhwYeah webchat is mainly a source of flood and spam11:15
asker2helponly i can hear %20 to %10011:15
asker2helpi cant hear low of %2011:15
smartboyhwYou mean in PulseAudio?11:16
asker2helpin pulse or by keyboard11:16
smartboyhwWell yes me too11:16
asker2helpi hate it11:16
smartboyhwbut then the db is too small normal human can't hear11:16
asker2helpwhy windows didnt it?11:16
smartboyhwasker2help: Ask in ##windows then :)11:17
asker2helpi think only people use computer11:17
asker2helpso11:17
smartboyhwasker2help: Humans use computers so what do you mean?11:17
asker2helpif anybody hear low %20 . what mean did it ? if we make normal level for people11:18
asker2helpit will be normal11:18
smartboyhwasker2help: Now I am not understanding your English11:18
asker2helpme too11:18
smartboyhwlol11:18
asker2helpcan i make %20 intro %011:19
smartboyhwWhat do you mean?11:19
smartboyhwWell 0% means silence11:19
asker2helpyes but %20 is means silence too11:20
asker2helpwhat different11:20
smartboyhwasker2help: The db is different11:20
smartboyhwMaybe with pro speakers 20% is not silence11:20
smartboyhwBut then like me for example I am just using internal speakers11:20
asker2helpit will not having internal spearks with laptop11:21
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smartboyhw!?11:22
asker2helpcan i block volumemeter be low %2011:22
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smartboyhwIn mine that's 7 PM11:25
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smartboyhwFor west America it is 4 am or 3 am11:25
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rickboltrying to get extace to work, but it keeps crashing. It requires ESD, and I've installed the pulseaudio compat pkg. Any thoughts?19:27
ailorickbol: Seems like they're working on PA support https://github.com/djandruczyk/eXtace/commits/master19:38
ailoYou could try building it19:38
ailorickbol: There are some instructions here https://github.com/djandruczyk/eXtace19:41
ailoDoesn't look like it's heavily under development19:42
rickbolI'm trying to find a spectrum analyzer. trying freqtweak now...19:43
ailorickbol: jaaa seems not so bad19:48
ailorickbol: Start it with: jaaa -J, if using jack19:48
ailoEither alsa, or jack19:49
rickbolI can't figure out how to get jaaa to display logarithmic frequency scale19:50
ailoYea, I noticed that19:50
ailoKind of essential19:50
ailorickbol: japa19:53
ailoSame guy made it19:53
jabloHi. I am trying to make 2 sound card (ICE1712 based) work simultaneously. I have created /etc/asound.conf and made a multi_capture and multi_playback device based on the two cards. Starting jackd on the command line, patchage and ardour works - I can record on all channels on both cards. Using gladish or even qjackctl won't work, it seems no matte what that jack is then started with one of the hadware cards and not the virtual 20:05
ailojablo: I was able to get that working a long time ago. Which guide did you follow?20:09
rickbolailo, japa may work. thx20:09
jablojust a moment20:09
ailoI have a LT1010 and a M66. Got them both running at one point20:10
jablohttp://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html20:10
jabloThis is almos the same - a Hoontech and an M-audio delta 6620:11
ailojablo: I found my attempt on LAU list http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-December/074771.html20:12
jabloIrritating part is - it works. I can record and playback and whatnot on all channels if I start jackd with: jackd -R -dalsa -C multi_capture -P multi_playback -r44100 -p 6420:12
jabloIf I let gladish start jackd it doesn't use the multi_capture and multi_playback pseudo devices.20:13
jabloOh. That link seems to say he also has problems unless he starts jackd manually.20:14
ailojablo: Aha. Well, is ladish using .jackdrc ?20:14
ailojablo: Yea, it's me on that post :)20:15
jabloI don't know what ladish does, hehe. But I know I have tied to configure its settings (there's a dialog box to set the capture and the playback device separately... they seem to be ignored)20:15
ailojablo: Here http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-December/074772.html20:15
jablousing qjackctl is the same: captuer and playback is ignored UNLESS they are real hw:xxx devices.20:16
ailojablo: did you add them manually?20:16
ailoI use hw:M66, for example20:16
jablohw:0 or hw:1 works fine. Using the multi_capture resp. multi_playback that I defined in /etc/asound.conf does not work with qjackctl or gladish20:17
ailojablo: I don't use ladish, but maybe try manually editing the saved jack start command?20:19
ailomy ~/.jackdrc looks like this right now: /usr/bin/jackd -P70 -dalsa -dhw:M66 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 -Xseq20:20
jabloWouldn't know where to edit ladish's jack start command (or even if it saves it somewhere). Nice thing about ladish is it remembers the setup, so I can prepare for  the next time my band comes for a ecording session20:20
ailoIs jack settings made per session, or is it global?20:21
jabloI think it's per session - but ladish stores it somewhere.20:21
ailoSomewhere in the user path anyway20:22
ailoCould be .config20:22
ailoCould be .* (something ladish)20:22
ailoOr somehwere where projects are stored, if it's per project20:23
len-dtMaybe .config/laditools?20:23
jabloI also tied with qjackctl. Setting input device to "multi_capture" and output device to "multi_playback" in the dialog box has no effect: in .jackdrc still hw:0,0 is stored.20:23
ailojablo: For qjackct, just edit .jackdrc manually. That should work20:23
jabloSo it seems to me these helpful programs try to be so smart they only want to work with hardware devices and not virtual devices maybe?20:24
ailoI don't think it would be a problem, only probably to few people do it, and make patches that enables that on the software20:25
ailotoo few people..20:26
ailoI don't think the authors ever tried multiple cards as one anyway20:26
jabloSo - my next step would be to grab source for qjackctl and/or gladsh and then teach them to allow virtual cards?20:27
ailoWell, you could also add a whish list for it20:27
jablo:-D20:27
ailoOne thing I'd like to see is persistent device order20:27
jabloOH YES20:27
ailoI mean, persistent chosen device20:28
jabloor order-independent device naming... but then, two identical devices and booo20:28
ailohw:M66 takes care of that though20:28
ailoNaming the device, instead of the order20:28
ailoBut, that only works, if you don't have two devices with the same name20:28
jabloUltimately I am going to run with 2 Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP2420:29
jablo(have it here except the guy who gave it to me couldn't find the other pci card. sigh)20:29
jablohmmm. maybe i can cheat gladish and simply replace /usr/bin/jackd with a shell script that replaces the -D hw:0 with -C multi_captuer and -P multi_playback. hehe20:31
cbx33hey all20:31
cbx33anyone know of a free/CC/opensource bass sfz?20:32
ailocbx33: Aren't you a bass player?20:32
ailoI haven't heard of one, but I haven't searched for samples for a while20:32
jablosfz ?20:33
cbx33ailo, no I'm not a bass player20:33
cbx33http://www.turtlesounds.net/ - is all i found20:33
ailook. Mixed you up with someone else20:33
ailoThere's a couple of piano libs, and the sinfonia library20:34
cbx33yeh i have those20:35
cbx33doh - have to resort to the old record my guitar and pitch shift it for now then :)20:36
cbx33dirty dirty nasty20:36
BereniceHello20:39
Bereniceis there anybody that can help me?20:39
ailoBerenice: We can't tell yet, but if you ask, we will give it a try :)20:39
drupinm not able to run gotour after installing go with procedure on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Go  and go get code.google.com/p/go-tour/gotour this is go env https://gist.github.com/349870820:40
Bereniceok, thank you....20:40
BereniceI'd like to set my programs in music production20:40
ailoYou'd like to install music production programs, and make the system perform well for that?20:41
Berenicebecause I'd like to create my own music with the computer20:41
Bereniceyes20:42
Berenicesort of20:42
ailoBerenice: I recommend installing Ubuntu Studio. Everything is all set up20:42
BereniceI have it already20:42
ailoOk..20:42
Berenicebut i don't know how some programs can work together to create music20:43
ailoBerenice: Did you learn how to use qjackctl?20:43
jablowhat would you like to do, berenice?20:43
Berenicesorry for my bad english, is har for me to explain20:43
Berenice#hard20:44
Berenicecreate music :)20:44
Berenicewith the computer20:44
ailoBerenice: What kind of music?20:44
jablomusic is many things is what I mean... you want to record what you play, or create strange wonderful sound samples, or ...20:44
Berenicebut I'm not so good with programs20:45
ailoBerenice: Did you learn how to use qjackctl?20:45
Bereniceno, I don't know what it is20:45
ailoqjackctl controls the jack audio system20:46
Berenicei'm trying to get some information20:46
ailoNeeded for many programs20:46
ailoBerenice: Please, find qjackctl from the menu, and start it.20:46
ailoBerenice: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Starting_Jack20:46
BereniceI did it20:47
ailoYou only need to do two things. 1: choose audio card from "Setup"/"Interface" 2: Click "Start"20:48
ailoJust like in the pictures20:48
Bereniceok, I will try20:49
ailoBerenice: If you only have one audio card, you only need to click "Start"20:49
ailoIf you have hdmi output, that means you have at least two audio cards20:49
BereniceI thought Qjackctl only starts with other programs20:50
Bereniceas Ardour or something like that20:51
ailoBerenice: Qjackctl controls jack20:51
ailoYou need to start jack in order to use many audio programs20:51
ailoSome programs will automatically start jack20:51
Berenicebecause when I try it alone it is arrested20:51
ailoSome will not open, if you didn't start jack20:51
ailoBerenice: Are you able to start jack with Qjackctl?20:52
ailoqjackctl == Qt Jack Control20:52
Berenicei'm going to try now20:53
cbx33ailo, I was thinking of writing a book on creating music with open source software20:55
Berenicei think i'm missing something20:56
ailocbx33: Haven't seen any out there. Guess there's room for one :)20:56
ailoBerenice: Did you select the right audio card?20:56
ailoBerenice: Did jack start?20:57
Bereniceyes it starts20:57
ailoBerenice: That's very good. Now, open Hydrogen20:57
Berenicebut I don't know why this time starts...20:57
cbx33ailo, I'm not entirely new to writing20:57
Berenicethere are times it doesn't20:58
cbx33http://cbx33.github.com/gitt/20:58
ailoBerenice: Sometimes jack does not start with qjackctl?20:58
Bereniceyes, sometimes not20:59
ailoBerenice: Sometimes jack will not stop correctly, when quitting qjackctl. To kill jack, you need to do this in a terminal: killall -9 jackdbus20:59
ailoIf jackdbus is still running, jack can not start again20:59
Bereniceok!20:59
Bereniceprecious, thank you!20:59
ailoBerenice: Did you try Hydrogen?21:00
cbx33ailo, I started hooking hydrogen up to the salamander linux sampler drumkit - works out pretty good21:00
BereniceI start Hydrogen21:01
ailocbx33: Cool book21:01
cbx33thanks ailo21:01
ailoBerenice: I'm not sure at this point, what have you done before..21:02
cbx33if you're ever in the market for some sci-fi, let me know :p21:02
ailoBerenice: Hydrogen is very good for making drum beats21:02
ailoBerenice: I recommend using qtractor for other things21:02
cbx33ailo, you're not an ardour user?21:02
ailoBerenice: If you also open Qtractor, you'll see that playing qtractor will also make hydrogen play21:03
jablocbx33: Looks like a cool book, yeh. going to check it out21:03
cbx33thanks jablo - it should be available in a few formats21:03
cbx33free and open of course :)21:03
ailocbx33: I don't much read fiction. But it happens I need to learn more about git21:03
jablohehe. i'll open it all ight21:03
cbx33ailo, well hopefully it'll help you out21:04
ailoBerenice: In qjackctl, you can connect Hydrogen to Qtractor, so you can record the audio from Hydrogen to Qtractor21:04
cbx33got a nice review from it a while back from someone that said it took their basic understanding a took it much further - so I was pretty pleased if it even helped one person21:04
Bereniceailo: before I've been trying a couple of things by chance but I didn't understand exactly how they work together21:04
cbx33Berenice, think of JACK as the glue that connects everything together21:05
Berenicesory, it's not by chance.. but random21:05
cbx33chance!=random?21:05
cbx33:)21:05
jabloI think gladish starts jack in a strange way, at least even if I move jackd out of /usr/bin gladish still seem able to start jack. Maybe jack is built in to gladish?21:05
cbx33jablo, I've started writing my own .sh scripts now to start up more complicated projects21:05
jabloYeh. that may be the best way. It just was so easy fist time "proof of concept" when my band was here.21:06
cbx33jablo, yeh21:06
cbx33jack_connect is pretty neat21:06
jablogladish, connect, set levels, record, 4 songs, bear, tea, home, listen.21:06
ailojablo: Maybe it's starting jackdbus?21:06
Berenicecbx33:ok.. i'm start to connect everything21:06
jablo*beer, not bear21:07
cbx33Berenice, good....you have two media types....MIDI and audio (which I presume you already know about)21:07
Berenicecbx33: I do21:07
jablohehe have another strange thign I want to do... with adour + hydrogen. I would like to let a (badly recorded) bass drum track trigger a hydrogen sampled bass drum... possible?21:07
cbx33JACK allows you to connect up the various INs and OUTs of each piece of software21:08
cbx33jablo, should be possible21:08
ailoBerenice: A tip, look for guides on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qReySX7TIxs21:09
ailoBerenice: Maybe that's the easiest way for you to learn. No need to know English almost. Just follow the screen21:09
cbx33jablo, I don't know a plugin to do it, but it sohuld be possible21:09
cbx33an LV2 plugin could do it21:09
cbx33ie....trigger audio above a certain point and then fire off a MIDI note21:10
jabloWhat wuold such a plugin be called, ie - some buzz words to seach for?21:10
cbx33hmmm21:10
cbx33lemme see21:10
jablo('cause I did search but couldn't find anything)21:10
cbx33http://linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lau/2011/3/16/17993321:10
cbx33rakarrack may be able to do it hang on lemme see21:11
ailojablo: For someone who knows puredata, you could do that in 10 min21:12
ailoSet up a trigger that sends midi data21:12
BereniceI understand English, but the problem comes out when I try to explain something that has to do with technology21:12
BereniceI'm not so good at it21:12
ailoBerenice: You'r English is not so bad, but I just thought maybe it's easier to learn from a video21:13
Bereniceyes, It's good anyway21:14
jabloailo/cbx33 thanks. you gave me something to think about. Was wondering where  puredata might be useful. I dont' want to program though (hehe), I do that at work.21:14
Berenicebut thank you for your explanations21:14
ailojablo: Let me try make a patch. Shouldn't take long21:15
jabloso I could have puredata "listening" on a track while ardour plays it and then have puredata send a midi event to <something> which then plays the drum sample and sends its output back to ardour?21:15
jablooh - now I see why jack can route everything to everything-.21:15
ailojablo: Exactly. The objects in puredata are really helpful for that. Hardly any code needed21:15
cbx33jablo, yes exactly21:15
pandorashey :D21:16
cbx33JACK is like routable ether :p21:16
pandorasmy system works now, i think unetbootin had some troubles while making the stick, with my last attemp, everything has worked fine and now i have my ubuntustudio21:17
jablothe recorded bass drum track is heavily clipped; essentially it consists of "pop" followed by "eeek" (as the pedal travels back). Using a 70hz low pass filter removes the "eeek" sounds, leaving the pop.21:17
pandorasjack is absolute cool21:17
pandorasbut now i get some troubles to connect to some dbus socket, that not exist21:17
pandorasit only works when i start first a jack-needed aplication, that generates that socket21:18
cbx33jablo, rakarrack will do it21:18
pandorasthats silly21:18
pandorasanyone the same Problem? System is up do date21:18
cbx33you may need something like mididings to filter the midi....it seems to try and get a pitch out of it21:19
Bereniceailo: can I ask you again to explain me how to end jack? I try to do from terminal killal - 9 jackdbus.... nothing happened21:19
cbx33qjackctl Berenice21:19
cbx33it has a STOP button21:19
jabloOMG rakarrack - komplikated (which is even more complicated than complicated) gui :)21:20
len-dtBerenice, two LL killall21:20
cbx33no no21:20
cbx33jablo, seriously....there is a MIDI panel21:20
cbx33top right21:20
cbx33turn off all effects21:20
cbx33don't hook up the out put21:20
cbx33hook up your input and then turn the MIDI bit on21:21
cbx33play with the threshold etc21:21
cbx33i got it triggering pretty well here21:22
cbx33just with a mic21:22
cbx33you could easily use qmidiroute to fix the pitch21:22
jabloqmidiroute21:23
cbx33yes21:23
cbx33click the button to add a new map21:24
cbx33leave the input untouched21:24
cbx33in the output set the note to FIXED21:24
cbx33and give it a value....you will have to experiment to get the right "value"21:24
Berenicecbx33: ok, it's easier than I made it21:24
jabloqmidiroute installed.21:24
jabloSo I hook up the bass drum track to.... rakarrack?21:25
cbx33yup21:25
cbx33then the midi out from rakarrack goes to qmidiroute21:25
cbx33then the output of that into ardour21:25
jablook. trying.21:25
cbx33have a go....I have to pop out for a bit, but I'll be back either later on or tomorrow21:25
cbx33peace out guys21:26
jablothanks a LOT21:26
cbx33np dude21:26
ailojablo: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/trigger.pd21:29
ailojablo: Install puredata21:29
ailojablo: Start it with: pd -jack -alsamidi -channels 221:29
ailoAnd open that patch21:29
ailoThen make connections. Audio source to puredata. Midi from puredata to hydrogen21:30
ailoOnce you can confirm that you are actually getting sound, you might want to adjust puredata latency, etc21:30
jabloThanks ailo, will try that too. Very helpful. Making some notes, then off to bed - will try tomorrow and probably be back on the channel21:31
ailojablo: The patch is also a sort of introduction to puredata21:33
Bereniceailo: i'm listening and watchng the video.. very usefull thou21:33
Berenicethank for helping me21:33
BereniceI'll catch you soon21:33
Berenicebye!21:33
Berenicethank you guys21:34
jabloI've seen more easily readable programming languages21:34
ailoBerenice: Good luck21:35
ailojablo: Well, it's not created by a "programmer" in that sense. Vanilla pd is a bit ugly I think21:36
ailoI prefer pd-extended21:36
ailoIt's not in the repo21:36
ailoLet me find an auto build21:36
jablocouldn't make the rakarrack do anything useful, though. When connecting the output of qmidiroute - would that go to "seq" input on ardour?21:36
jablo(i don't know anything about midi)21:36
ailojablo: http://blinky.at.or.at:8888/auto-build/latest/21:37
ailojablo: No21:37
jablono.21:37
jabloto hydrogen probably. fogot that step.21:38
jabloYes. At least the "path" looks corect. Ardour -> rakarrack -> qmidiroute -> hydrogen -> ardour. Now I need to find out what buttons andsliders to work where to get some sound out of this. Thanks. Cool. Wonderful. FUN!21:41
jablogood night, cya tomorrow21:41
ailojablo: Sweet dreams21:43
jabloty21:43
cbx33So got quiet after i left then22:07
Kaiser92i need help about some crashes i meet on my ubuntu studio version23:05
Kaiser92i work on a 64bit version23:05
Kaiser92anyone could help me?23:06

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