[09:43] First time ever here. Does this work? [09:44] indeed it does work [09:44] Note to self: It works but I'm all alone here. [09:44] Hurray, Ittsimpson. [09:45] Take me to your leader. [09:46] Please, check this one: https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/tour/video/ [09:46] I have no leader, I'm one of those lone wolf types [09:46] According to Firefox it is not trusted. [09:46] Somebody in a right possission should know about it. Perhaps Linus? [09:47] because the certificate is for ubuntustudio.org, rather than staging.ubuntustudio.org [09:47] I'm guessing it's normal, as "staging" is not production [09:47] Um... what? [09:47] ie, "normal" users don't use it [09:48] staging is the term used to describe something that isn't released to the general public, kind if like a testing ground before release [09:48] Who says I'm normal? Thank you for your answer anyway. [09:49] that's why "normal" is in quotes ;) [09:50] :D [09:50] About Cinelerra... [09:51] Is it going to happen (you know)? [09:51] no idea, sorry [09:52] Ppa-repos are not my way and Cinelerra is the only (semi) pro video editing program for Linux. [09:53] if you don't want the PPA, and you don't want to wait for it to appear in the Ubuntu repositories, you only real option is to compile it yourself [09:54] Now what is happening here?:) [09:54] Compile... Ubuntu lts is stable. Like to keep it that way. [09:55] then you just have to wait [09:55] Compiling Cinelerra leads to problem. Half of the internet is about it. [09:55] Yeah, since 2005. [10:03] Are there any reasons why it is not already there? [10:04] For example, some part of the code is not under the license (?) [10:08] if it's not in Debian, it's unlikely to make it into Ubuntu [10:26] Ah.. I wonder where he got the link to staging.. [10:27] lol [10:27] https://ubuntustudio.org/tour/ [10:28] Unit193: Aah, thanks [10:28] The links on that page [10:28] Sure thing. [10:31] Fixed [11:11] hi [11:11] Hi asker2help [11:11] again mate [11:11] how are you [11:11] Fine:) [11:12] :) [11:12] ;) [11:12] i have a question [11:12] again [11:12] Alright lol [11:12] Do ask since I'm a bit bored now:) [11:12] when i change volume [11:12] Uh huh [11:13] asker2help: you can speak in #ubuntu now, but please don't flood again [11:13] tsimpson: Oh did he flood there? [11:13] i sent hi for times [11:13] 3 [11:13] Oh alright [11:13] and "everyone" 3 times [11:13] yes [11:13] all on separate lines... [11:13] yes [11:14] asker2help and tsimpson OK now I get it [11:14] and you now [11:14] know [11:14] Please don't do that it is a nuisance [11:14] hımm . [11:14] asker2help: Please continue to ask your question:) [11:14] our floodbots are over protective with webchat users [11:15] ok [11:15] when i change volume [11:15] Yeah webchat is mainly a source of flood and spam [11:15] only i can hear %20 to %100 [11:15] i cant hear low of %20 [11:16] You mean in PulseAudio? [11:16] in pulse or by keyboard [11:16] Well yes me too [11:16] i hate it [11:16] but then the db is too small normal human can't hear [11:16] why windows didnt it? [11:17] asker2help: Ask in ##windows then :) [11:17] i think only people use computer [11:17] so [11:17] asker2help: Humans use computers so what do you mean? [11:18] if anybody hear low %20 . what mean did it ? if we make normal level for people [11:18] it will be normal [11:18] asker2help: Now I am not understanding your English [11:18] me too [11:18] lol [11:19] can i make %20 intro %0 [11:19] What do you mean? [11:19] Well 0% means silence [11:20] yes but %20 is means silence too [11:20] what different [11:20] asker2help: The db is different [11:20] Maybe with pro speakers 20% is not silence [11:20] But then like me for example I am just using internal speakers [11:21] it will not having internal spearks with laptop [11:21] be normal [11:22] !? [11:22] can i block volumemeter be low %20 [11:23] IDK [11:23] me too [11:23] so i asked [11:23] there is over 20 people but 2 people chatting [11:23] in this ch [11:24] asker2help: Most people idle [11:24] Or away [11:24] And the Americans had not woken up lol [11:24] in my county 2:00 PM [11:25] lol [11:25] In mine that's 7 PM [11:25] But for the Americans in the EST it is 7 Am [11:25] For west America it is 4 am or 3 am [11:27] which contry is yours ? [11:27] Hong Kong, China here [11:28] do you know in every country , people say china products is bad [11:29] but i dont think so [11:30] Well China products sometimes are bad qualit [11:30] y [11:31] i say one thiing about chinese people [11:32] they can every quality of a products [11:32] its always about money [11:33] if some company give low money , of course it will be low quality [11:33] if company want high qualiy , it will be expensive [11:35] :) [11:37] which website is best for shopping from chine [11:37] asker2help: What is chine? [11:37] You mean China? [11:37] china [11:37] yes [11:37] Er Taobao:) [11:37] IDK actually [11:38] alibaba ? [11:39] asker2help: Yes [11:39] dealextreme ? [11:40] !? [11:41] e website [11:41] is good or isnt [11:42] What IS dealextreme [11:42] http://dealexteme.com [11:43] a web shop from china [11:43] Never heard of that [11:43] thanks [19:27] trying to get extace to work, but it keeps crashing. It requires ESD, and I've installed the pulseaudio compat pkg. Any thoughts? [19:38] rickbol: Seems like they're working on PA support https://github.com/djandruczyk/eXtace/commits/master [19:38] You could try building it [19:41] rickbol: There are some instructions here https://github.com/djandruczyk/eXtace [19:42] Doesn't look like it's heavily under development [19:43] I'm trying to find a spectrum analyzer. trying freqtweak now... [19:48] rickbol: jaaa seems not so bad [19:48] rickbol: Start it with: jaaa -J, if using jack [19:49] Either alsa, or jack [19:50] I can't figure out how to get jaaa to display logarithmic frequency scale [19:50] Yea, I noticed that [19:50] Kind of essential [19:53] rickbol: japa [19:53] Same guy made it [20:05] Hi. I am trying to make 2 sound card (ICE1712 based) work simultaneously. I have created /etc/asound.conf and made a multi_capture and multi_playback device based on the two cards. Starting jackd on the command line, patchage and ardour works - I can record on all channels on both cards. Using gladish or even qjackctl won't work, it seems no matte what that jack is then started with one of the hadware cards and not the virtual [20:09] jablo: I was able to get that working a long time ago. Which guide did you follow? [20:09] ailo, japa may work. thx [20:09] just a moment [20:10] I have a LT1010 and a M66. Got them both running at one point [20:10] http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html [20:11] This is almos the same - a Hoontech and an M-audio delta 66 [20:12] jablo: I found my attempt on LAU list http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-December/074771.html [20:12] Irritating part is - it works. I can record and playback and whatnot on all channels if I start jackd with: jackd -R -dalsa -C multi_capture -P multi_playback -r44100 -p 64 [20:13] If I let gladish start jackd it doesn't use the multi_capture and multi_playback pseudo devices. [20:14] Oh. That link seems to say he also has problems unless he starts jackd manually. [20:14] jablo: Aha. Well, is ladish using .jackdrc ? [20:15] jablo: Yea, it's me on that post :) [20:15] I don't know what ladish does, hehe. But I know I have tied to configure its settings (there's a dialog box to set the capture and the playback device separately... they seem to be ignored) [20:15] jablo: Here http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-December/074772.html [20:16] using qjackctl is the same: captuer and playback is ignored UNLESS they are real hw:xxx devices. [20:16] jablo: did you add them manually? [20:16] I use hw:M66, for example [20:17] hw:0 or hw:1 works fine. Using the multi_capture resp. multi_playback that I defined in /etc/asound.conf does not work with qjackctl or gladish [20:19] jablo: I don't use ladish, but maybe try manually editing the saved jack start command? [20:20] my ~/.jackdrc looks like this right now: /usr/bin/jackd -P70 -dalsa -dhw:M66 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 -Xseq [20:20] Wouldn't know where to edit ladish's jack start command (or even if it saves it somewhere). Nice thing about ladish is it remembers the setup, so I can prepare for the next time my band comes for a ecording session [20:21] Is jack settings made per session, or is it global? [20:21] I think it's per session - but ladish stores it somewhere. [20:22] Somewhere in the user path anyway [20:22] Could be .config [20:22] Could be .* (something ladish) [20:23] Or somehwere where projects are stored, if it's per project [20:23] Maybe .config/laditools? [20:23] I also tied with qjackctl. Setting input device to "multi_capture" and output device to "multi_playback" in the dialog box has no effect: in .jackdrc still hw:0,0 is stored. [20:23] jablo: For qjackct, just edit .jackdrc manually. That should work [20:24] So it seems to me these helpful programs try to be so smart they only want to work with hardware devices and not virtual devices maybe? [20:25] I don't think it would be a problem, only probably to few people do it, and make patches that enables that on the software [20:26] too few people.. [20:26] I don't think the authors ever tried multiple cards as one anyway [20:27] So - my next step would be to grab source for qjackctl and/or gladsh and then teach them to allow virtual cards? [20:27] Well, you could also add a whish list for it [20:27] :-D [20:27] One thing I'd like to see is persistent device order [20:27] OH YES [20:28] I mean, persistent chosen device [20:28] or order-independent device naming... but then, two identical devices and booo [20:28] hw:M66 takes care of that though [20:28] Naming the device, instead of the order [20:28] But, that only works, if you don't have two devices with the same name [20:29] Ultimately I am going to run with 2 Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 [20:29] (have it here except the guy who gave it to me couldn't find the other pci card. sigh) [20:31] hmmm. maybe i can cheat gladish and simply replace /usr/bin/jackd with a shell script that replaces the -D hw:0 with -C multi_captuer and -P multi_playback. hehe [20:31] hey all [20:32] anyone know of a free/CC/opensource bass sfz? [20:32] cbx33: Aren't you a bass player? [20:32] I haven't heard of one, but I haven't searched for samples for a while [20:33] sfz ? [20:33] ailo, no I'm not a bass player [20:33] http://www.turtlesounds.net/ - is all i found [20:33] ok. Mixed you up with someone else [20:34] There's a couple of piano libs, and the sinfonia library [20:35] yeh i have those [20:36] doh - have to resort to the old record my guitar and pitch shift it for now then :) [20:36] dirty dirty nasty [20:39] Hello [20:39] is there anybody that can help me? [20:39] Berenice: We can't tell yet, but if you ask, we will give it a try :) [20:40] m not able to run gotour after installing go with procedure on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Go and go get code.google.com/p/go-tour/gotour this is go env https://gist.github.com/3498708 [20:40] ok, thank you.... [20:40] I'd like to set my programs in music production [20:41] You'd like to install music production programs, and make the system perform well for that? [20:41] because I'd like to create my own music with the computer [20:42] yes [20:42] sort of [20:42] Berenice: I recommend installing Ubuntu Studio. Everything is all set up [20:42] I have it already [20:42] Ok.. [20:43] but i don't know how some programs can work together to create music [20:43] Berenice: Did you learn how to use qjackctl? [20:43] what would you like to do, berenice? [20:43] sorry for my bad english, is har for me to explain [20:44] #hard [20:44] create music :) [20:44] with the computer [20:44] Berenice: What kind of music? [20:44] music is many things is what I mean... you want to record what you play, or create strange wonderful sound samples, or ... [20:45] but I'm not so good with programs [20:45] Berenice: Did you learn how to use qjackctl? [20:45] no, I don't know what it is [20:46] qjackctl controls the jack audio system [20:46] i'm trying to get some information [20:46] Needed for many programs [20:46] Berenice: Please, find qjackctl from the menu, and start it. [20:46] Berenice: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Starting_Jack [20:47] I did it [20:48] You only need to do two things. 1: choose audio card from "Setup"/"Interface" 2: Click "Start" [20:48] Just like in the pictures [20:49] ok, I will try [20:49] Berenice: If you only have one audio card, you only need to click "Start" [20:49] If you have hdmi output, that means you have at least two audio cards [20:50] I thought Qjackctl only starts with other programs [20:51] as Ardour or something like that [20:51] Berenice: Qjackctl controls jack [20:51] You need to start jack in order to use many audio programs [20:51] Some programs will automatically start jack [20:51] because when I try it alone it is arrested [20:51] Some will not open, if you didn't start jack [20:52] Berenice: Are you able to start jack with Qjackctl? [20:52] qjackctl == Qt Jack Control [20:53] i'm going to try now [20:55] ailo, I was thinking of writing a book on creating music with open source software [20:56] i think i'm missing something [20:56] cbx33: Haven't seen any out there. Guess there's room for one :) [20:56] Berenice: Did you select the right audio card? [20:57] Berenice: Did jack start? [20:57] yes it starts [20:57] Berenice: That's very good. Now, open Hydrogen [20:57] but I don't know why this time starts... [20:57] ailo, I'm not entirely new to writing [20:58] there are times it doesn't [20:58] http://cbx33.github.com/gitt/ [20:58] Berenice: Sometimes jack does not start with qjackctl? [20:59] yes, sometimes not [20:59] Berenice: Sometimes jack will not stop correctly, when quitting qjackctl. To kill jack, you need to do this in a terminal: killall -9 jackdbus [20:59] If jackdbus is still running, jack can not start again [20:59] ok! [20:59] precious, thank you! [21:00] Berenice: Did you try Hydrogen? [21:00] ailo, I started hooking hydrogen up to the salamander linux sampler drumkit - works out pretty good [21:01] I start Hydrogen [21:01] cbx33: Cool book [21:01] thanks ailo [21:02] Berenice: I'm not sure at this point, what have you done before.. [21:02] if you're ever in the market for some sci-fi, let me know :p [21:02] Berenice: Hydrogen is very good for making drum beats [21:02] Berenice: I recommend using qtractor for other things [21:02] ailo, you're not an ardour user? [21:03] Berenice: If you also open Qtractor, you'll see that playing qtractor will also make hydrogen play [21:03] cbx33: Looks like a cool book, yeh. going to check it out [21:03] thanks jablo - it should be available in a few formats [21:03] free and open of course :) [21:03] cbx33: I don't much read fiction. But it happens I need to learn more about git [21:03] hehe. i'll open it all ight [21:04] ailo, well hopefully it'll help you out [21:04] Berenice: In qjackctl, you can connect Hydrogen to Qtractor, so you can record the audio from Hydrogen to Qtractor [21:04] got a nice review from it a while back from someone that said it took their basic understanding a took it much further - so I was pretty pleased if it even helped one person [21:04] ailo: before I've been trying a couple of things by chance but I didn't understand exactly how they work together [21:05] Berenice, think of JACK as the glue that connects everything together [21:05] sory, it's not by chance.. but random [21:05] chance!=random? [21:05] :) [21:05] I think gladish starts jack in a strange way, at least even if I move jackd out of /usr/bin gladish still seem able to start jack. Maybe jack is built in to gladish? [21:05] jablo, I've started writing my own .sh scripts now to start up more complicated projects [21:06] Yeh. that may be the best way. It just was so easy fist time "proof of concept" when my band was here. [21:06] jablo, yeh [21:06] jack_connect is pretty neat [21:06] gladish, connect, set levels, record, 4 songs, bear, tea, home, listen. [21:06] jablo: Maybe it's starting jackdbus? [21:06] cbx33:ok.. i'm start to connect everything [21:07] *beer, not bear [21:07] Berenice, good....you have two media types....MIDI and audio (which I presume you already know about) [21:07] cbx33: I do [21:07] hehe have another strange thign I want to do... with adour + hydrogen. I would like to let a (badly recorded) bass drum track trigger a hydrogen sampled bass drum... possible? [21:08] JACK allows you to connect up the various INs and OUTs of each piece of software [21:08] jablo, should be possible [21:09] Berenice: A tip, look for guides on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qReySX7TIxs [21:09] Berenice: Maybe that's the easiest way for you to learn. No need to know English almost. Just follow the screen [21:09] jablo, I don't know a plugin to do it, but it sohuld be possible [21:09] an LV2 plugin could do it [21:10] ie....trigger audio above a certain point and then fire off a MIDI note [21:10] What wuold such a plugin be called, ie - some buzz words to seach for? [21:10] hmmm [21:10] lemme see [21:10] ('cause I did search but couldn't find anything) [21:10] http://linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lau/2011/3/16/179933 [21:11] rakarrack may be able to do it hang on lemme see [21:12] jablo: For someone who knows puredata, you could do that in 10 min [21:12] Set up a trigger that sends midi data [21:12] I understand English, but the problem comes out when I try to explain something that has to do with technology [21:12] I'm not so good at it [21:13] Berenice: You'r English is not so bad, but I just thought maybe it's easier to learn from a video [21:14] yes, It's good anyway [21:14] ailo/cbx33 thanks. you gave me something to think about. Was wondering where puredata might be useful. I dont' want to program though (hehe), I do that at work. [21:14] but thank you for your explanations [21:15] jablo: Let me try make a patch. Shouldn't take long [21:15] so I could have puredata "listening" on a track while ardour plays it and then have puredata send a midi event to which then plays the drum sample and sends its output back to ardour? [21:15] oh - now I see why jack can route everything to everything-. [21:15] jablo: Exactly. The objects in puredata are really helpful for that. Hardly any code needed [21:15] jablo, yes exactly [21:16] hey :D [21:16] JACK is like routable ether :p [21:17] my system works now, i think unetbootin had some troubles while making the stick, with my last attemp, everything has worked fine and now i have my ubuntustudio [21:17] the recorded bass drum track is heavily clipped; essentially it consists of "pop" followed by "eeek" (as the pedal travels back). Using a 70hz low pass filter removes the "eeek" sounds, leaving the pop. [21:17] jack is absolute cool [21:17] but now i get some troubles to connect to some dbus socket, that not exist [21:18] it only works when i start first a jack-needed aplication, that generates that socket [21:18] jablo, rakarrack will do it [21:18] thats silly [21:18] anyone the same Problem? System is up do date [21:19] you may need something like mididings to filter the midi....it seems to try and get a pitch out of it [21:19] ailo: can I ask you again to explain me how to end jack? I try to do from terminal killal - 9 jackdbus.... nothing happened [21:19] qjackctl Berenice [21:19] it has a STOP button [21:20] OMG rakarrack - komplikated (which is even more complicated than complicated) gui :) [21:20] Berenice, two LL killall [21:20] no no [21:20] jablo, seriously....there is a MIDI panel [21:20] top right [21:20] turn off all effects [21:20] don't hook up the out put [21:21] hook up your input and then turn the MIDI bit on [21:21] play with the threshold etc [21:22] i got it triggering pretty well here [21:22] just with a mic [21:22] you could easily use qmidiroute to fix the pitch [21:23] qmidiroute [21:23] yes [21:24] click the button to add a new map [21:24] leave the input untouched [21:24] in the output set the note to FIXED [21:24] and give it a value....you will have to experiment to get the right "value" [21:24] cbx33: ok, it's easier than I made it [21:24] qmidiroute installed. [21:25] So I hook up the bass drum track to.... rakarrack? [21:25] yup [21:25] then the midi out from rakarrack goes to qmidiroute [21:25] then the output of that into ardour [21:25] ok. trying. [21:25] have a go....I have to pop out for a bit, but I'll be back either later on or tomorrow [21:26] peace out guys [21:26] thanks a LOT [21:26] np dude [21:29] jablo: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/trigger.pd [21:29] jablo: Install puredata [21:29] jablo: Start it with: pd -jack -alsamidi -channels 2 [21:29] And open that patch [21:30] Then make connections. Audio source to puredata. Midi from puredata to hydrogen [21:30] Once you can confirm that you are actually getting sound, you might want to adjust puredata latency, etc [21:31] Thanks ailo, will try that too. Very helpful. Making some notes, then off to bed - will try tomorrow and probably be back on the channel [21:33] jablo: The patch is also a sort of introduction to puredata [21:33] ailo: i'm listening and watchng the video.. very usefull thou [21:33] thank for helping me [21:33] I'll catch you soon [21:33] bye! [21:34] thank you guys [21:34] I've seen more easily readable programming languages [21:35] Berenice: Good luck [21:36] jablo: Well, it's not created by a "programmer" in that sense. Vanilla pd is a bit ugly I think [21:36]