[08:12] it would be nice if we had taglib 1.8 as it solves quite some problems [08:25] Riddell: lately it's been mostly Laszlo doing attica stuff, I'm not up to date. [08:30] Mamarok: ack [08:30] I want to do a review of all kubuntu packages to check they're up to date [08:37] yofel: this might be interesting about the best way of tracking bugs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-release-bug-list-workflows [08:37] but the whiteboard there is so long I got bored :( [08:56] Riddell: there is xubuntu on the report, but I don't see kubuntu =( http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html [08:56] Riddell: no, there is kubuntu with 4 bugs on that report [09:08] xnox: I suspect that report only lists packages which are KDE only, so it doesn't list e.g. ubiquity kde bugs [09:10] Riddell: yeah. maybe you should ask for 'kubuntu' tag added to that list? currently it's 'packageset' + series quantal [09:46] ::qt-bugs:: [1034986] vlc crashed with SIGABRT in __assert_fail_base() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1034986 (by Ricardo J. Moreira Teixeira) [09:47] Launchpad bug 1034986 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "vlc crashed with SIGABRT in __assert_fail_base()" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:10] apachelogger: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem_1.2.2-0ubuntu1.dsc [11:11] surprisingly, it's not in the kubuntu packageset [11:11] everything else has been uploaded [11:12] shadeslayer: please send mail to cj [11:12] aye, doing that [11:13] we also don't have ktp in the packageset right? === Pici` is now known as Pici [11:50] shadeslayer: how did 4.9.1 backports get on? === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [12:07] Riddell: Meeting today? [12:07] Riddell: I know the developer of kded-appmenu, he contributed to dbusmenu-qt and plasma-widget-menubar. Actually I asked him to take over maintenance of the applet [12:09] That would be 20:00 here [12:09] Hmm, more than fine [12:10] agateau_: why does it need a kded? [12:11] Quintasan: yes if anyone can come [12:11] JontheEchidna, apachelogger: you'll be there? [12:11] Well, I'm going to the doctor this evening but I'll be able to make it [12:12] Riddell: the kded runs the registrar, which hold the association between window ids and dbusmenu menubar [12:12] Riddell: you can then have multiple applications ask the kded to render the menubar [12:12] Riddell: this is necessary for example on a dual screen setup to have one menubar applet per screen [12:12] aah [12:13] Right now the applet also acts as a registrar, which makes it impossible to run more than one [12:13] or run it with oxygen-appmenu [12:17] agateau_: so should we be replacing plasma-widget-menubar with kded-appmenu [12:17] ? [12:21] Riddell: I just looked at the source code, and I don't see a copy of the applet there, you want to check with Cédric I think [12:22] Riddell: but in the long run, it should replace plasma-widget-menubar yes === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === micahg_ is now known as micahg === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [13:03] ::workspace-bugs:: [1039582] DPMSControl, a non existent action on Kubuntu on VMWare guest @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1039582 (by Marco Parillo) [13:03] Launchpad bug 1039582 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "DPMSControl, a non existent action on Kubuntu on VMWare guest" [Undecided,Fix released] === mikhas_ is now known as mikhas === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:15] Hey all [13:15] hola [13:16] Mamarok: who's after taglib 1.8? it'll need a feature freeze exception so I'll need to find reasons [13:17] Amarok, dragonplayer, every application that uses tagged files [13:18] and of cours tagging solutions like kid3 and easytag [13:20] Mamarok: sure but I think I need someone who can highlight the useful features and bugfixes [13:21] well, now one can write id3v2.3 tags, that support didn't exist previously, also the mp4 and asf support is there by default. APE version 2 is also supported now [13:22] and quite a few bug fixes that were annoying us :) [13:23] Mamarok: who's us? amarok? === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [13:24] Amarok and dragonplayer, mostly, but the id3v2.3 tag writing is also sueful for every other software out there, inclusing VLC and the mass taggers [13:24] useful* [13:38] Riddell: we also need it to support more music file types: mod, s3m, it and xm in particular === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [13:46] Mamarok: hmm the faffy bit is there's a second build of taglib in the package "rusxmms" for cyrillic uses and that's a nasty patch to port [13:46] I've no idea why cyrillic needs a special build [13:47] no idea [13:47] but who uses xmms anyway... === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [14:11] Mamarok: well it's not for xmms it's a variant of the library to read tags in non-unicode cyrillic [14:12] really it's a bit weird this being a patch in a distro package [14:12] and a whole second build of the library. ugly [14:18] xnox, dpm: you guys use cyrillic? got an opinion on the value of tablib-rusxmms? [14:18] hmm?! [14:18] Riddell, hm, unfortunately not. You might want to try with danilo, he does use cyrillic [14:18] i use cyrillic, but what's the context? [14:19] xnox: seems taglib has a second build as part of its packaging tablib-rusxmms [14:19] for use in mp3 files using non-unicode cyrillic [14:19] debian added it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384573 [14:19] Debian bug 384573 in libtag1c2a "Russian id3 tags problem" [Normal,Fixed] [14:19] but I don't know if I can port the patch to taglib 1.8 which is now being requested [14:20] I wonder if it gets used still [14:20] not surprised.... hardly any russian songs use any sensible encoding, i.e. they mostly use anything but unicode [14:20] * xnox gave up that battle years ago all my song tags are jiberrish [14:21] I did retag them onces into $encoding, but the next player used $otherencoding so I gave up [14:22] Riddell: it would be lovely to have that patch, maybe my songs will finally work! [14:23] xnox: well it's in [14:23] try installing libtag1-rusxmms [14:24] to replace -vanilla [14:24] ok... but I don't use xmms anymore [14:24] or does that replace libtag itself? [14:25] no, it just comes from a project called rusxmms [14:25] it replaces libtag [14:27] I'll try porting the patch [15:03] pkgkde-symbolshelper seems to have lost its mojo, the update to attica didn't work on platforms other than those I've built it on already and applied the build log === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === amichair_ is now known as amichair [15:15] Mamarok: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taglib/+bug/1050463 for you, you may want to add any other information you think will persuade the release team [15:15] Launchpad bug 1050463 in taglib (Ubuntu Quantal) "FFe update to 1.8" [Undecided,New] === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [16:49] evening [16:51] Riddell: thanks for the blueprint, I'll probably read that sometime over the weekend [16:52] meeting in a hour right ? [16:55] ~1 hour 5 minutes === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [18:00] 1 minutes to kubuntu-meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [18:01] apachelogger: ping? [18:01] darkwing_: ping? [18:01] jussi01-nom: ping? [18:02] pong [18:02] apachelogger: meeting! [18:02] * apachelogger puts on some pants [18:02] in #kubuntu-meeting [18:02] er [18:02] in #ubuntu-meeting [18:03] we should totally decide where to do meetings :P [18:29] SteveRiley: meeting? [18:30] are you guys rebuilding kdelibs? the new attica makes all apps crash [18:31] that should not happen... [18:32] agreed [18:33] crashing is bad :D [18:34] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 44 * debian/changelog release 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1 [18:34] wasn't committed [18:41] new attica got uploaded? [18:41] yes [18:42] and now my system has a mixture of 0.3 and 0.4 [18:42] and obviously things don't really play well with eachother [18:44] well, 0.3 and 0.4 have a different ABI and SONAME - so by definition nothing should break. But KDE does weird things with libs... [18:45] yeah well [18:45] i can tell you why it crashes [18:45] it's not KDE fault [18:46] it's still compiling [18:46] I should have used -proposed for it [18:46] Riddell: ok, it's fine, i just wanted to know if it was being taken care of or not [18:47] i can live with crashing about dialogs for a few days [18:48] shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/kmix-flick.mkv [18:48] do you get that when quickly changing tracks in amarok? [18:49] aye, I've seen that happen before [18:49] however, I don't use amarok [18:49] Tomhawk :) [18:52] same thing [18:52] it's caused by pulse streams chagning [18:54] d__ed: btw any additional feedback on ktp from us asking people to test? [18:54] * apachelogger thinks somehow all the wrong people were reached and feedback was mediocre === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [19:14] as for kde-wallpapers. Including all resolutions of Ariya would be roughly +28MB, but I would still give it a try [19:17] yofel: try png compression techniques [19:17] might squeeze out a bit [19:18] hm, the archive does run optipng over it [19:18] * yofel tries [19:22] afiestas: #ubuntu-meeting [19:36] apachelogger: saves about 1MB as most of the images are already optimized [19:54] yofel: that's something [22:23] Meeting seemed to go well enough. [22:43] also as promised I broke kmix https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdemultimedia/kmix/repository/revisions/d1344b63ded3b53dff44794f8e17e67ca530de9e [22:44] shadeslayer: we maybe should backport that [22:44] the issue is rather ewww on various levels