[08:12] <Mamarok> it would be nice if we had taglib 1.8 as it solves quite some problems
[08:25] <fregl> Riddell: lately it's been mostly Laszlo doing attica stuff, I'm not up to date.
[08:30] <Riddell> Mamarok: ack
[08:30] <Riddell> I want to do a review of all kubuntu packages to check they're up to date
[08:37] <Riddell> yofel: this might be interesting about the best way of tracking bugs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-release-bug-list-workflows
[08:37] <Riddell> but the whiteboard there is so long I got bored :(
[08:56] <xnox> Riddell: there is xubuntu on the report, but I don't see kubuntu =( http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[08:56] <xnox> Riddell: no, there is kubuntu with 4 bugs on that report
[09:08] <Riddell> xnox: I suspect that report only lists packages which are KDE only, so it doesn't list e.g. ubiquity kde bugs
[09:10] <xnox> Riddell: yeah. maybe you should ask for 'kubuntu' tag added to that list? currently it's 'packageset' + series quantal
[09:46] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1034986] vlc crashed with SIGABRT in __assert_fail_base() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1034986 (by Ricardo J. Moreira Teixeira)
[11:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem_1.2.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[11:11] <shadeslayer> surprisingly, it's not in the kubuntu packageset
[11:11] <shadeslayer> everything else has been uploaded
[11:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please send mail to cj
[11:12] <shadeslayer> aye, doing that
[11:13] <shadeslayer> we also don't have ktp in the packageset right?
[11:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how did 4.9.1 backports get on?
[12:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: Meeting today?
[12:07] <agateau_> Riddell: I know the developer of kded-appmenu, he contributed to dbusmenu-qt and plasma-widget-menubar. Actually I asked him to take over maintenance of the applet
[12:09] <Quintasan> That would be 20:00 here
[12:09] <Quintasan> Hmm, more than fine
[12:10] <Riddell> agateau_: why does it need a kded?
[12:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes if anyone can come
[12:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, apachelogger: you'll be there?
[12:11] <Quintasan> Well, I'm going to the doctor this evening but I'll be able to make it
[12:12] <agateau_> Riddell: the kded runs the registrar, which hold the association between window ids and dbusmenu menubar
[12:12] <agateau_> Riddell: you can then have multiple applications ask the kded to render the menubar
[12:12] <agateau_> Riddell: this is necessary for example on a dual screen setup to have one menubar applet per screen
[12:12] <Riddell> aah
[12:13] <agateau_> Right now the applet also acts as a registrar, which makes it impossible to run more than one
[12:13] <agateau_> or run it with oxygen-appmenu
[12:17] <Riddell> agateau_: so should we be replacing plasma-widget-menubar with kded-appmenu
[12:17] <Riddell>  ?
[12:21] <agateau_> Riddell: I just looked at the source code, and I don't see a copy of the applet there, you want to check with Cédric I think
[12:22] <agateau_> Riddell: but in the long run, it should replace plasma-widget-menubar yes
[13:03] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1039582] DPMSControl, a non existent action on Kubuntu on VMWare guest @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1039582 (by Marco Parillo)
[13:15] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[13:15] <Riddell> hola
[13:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: who's after taglib 1.8?  it'll need a feature freeze exception so I'll need to find reasons
[13:17] <Mamarok> Amarok, dragonplayer, every application that uses tagged files
[13:18] <Mamarok> and of cours tagging solutions like kid3 and easytag
[13:20] <Riddell> Mamarok: sure but I think I need someone who can highlight the useful features and bugfixes
[13:21] <Mamarok> well, now one can write id3v2.3 tags, that support didn't exist previously, also the mp4 and asf support is there by default. APE version 2 is also supported now
[13:22] <Mamarok> and quite a few bug fixes that were annoying us :)
[13:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: who's us? amarok?
[13:24] <Mamarok> Amarok and dragonplayer, mostly, but the id3v2.3 tag writing is also sueful for every other software out there, inclusing VLC and the mass taggers
[13:24] <Mamarok> useful*
[13:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: we also need it to support more music file types: mod, s3m, it and xm in particular
[13:46] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm the faffy bit is there's a second build of taglib in the package "rusxmms" for cyrillic uses and that's a nasty patch to port
[13:46] <Riddell> I've no idea why cyrillic needs a special build
[13:47] <Mamarok> no idea
[13:47] <Mamarok> but who uses xmms anyway...
[14:11] <Riddell> Mamarok: well it's not for xmms it's a variant of the library to read tags in non-unicode cyrillic
[14:12] <Riddell> really it's a bit weird this being a patch in a distro package
[14:12] <Riddell> and a whole second build of the library.  ugly
[14:18] <Riddell> xnox, dpm: you guys use cyrillic?  got an opinion on the value of tablib-rusxmms?
[14:18] <xnox> hmm?!
[14:18] <dpm> Riddell, hm, unfortunately not. You might want to try with danilo, he does use cyrillic
[14:18] <xnox> i use cyrillic, but what's the context?
[14:19] <Riddell> xnox: seems taglib has a second build as part of its packaging tablib-rusxmms
[14:19] <Riddell> for use in mp3 files using non-unicode cyrillic
[14:19] <Riddell> debian added it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384573
[14:19] <Riddell> but I don't know if I can port the patch to taglib 1.8 which is now being requested
[14:20] <Riddell> I wonder if it gets used still
[14:20] <xnox> not surprised.... hardly any russian songs use any sensible encoding, i.e. they mostly use anything but unicode
[14:20]  * xnox gave up that battle years ago all my song tags are jiberrish
[14:21] <xnox> I did retag them onces into $encoding, but the next player used $otherencoding so I gave up
[14:22] <xnox> Riddell: it would be lovely to have that patch, maybe my songs will finally work!
[14:23] <Riddell> xnox: well it's in
[14:23] <Riddell> try installing libtag1-rusxmms
[14:24] <Riddell> to replace -vanilla
[14:24] <xnox> ok... but I don't use xmms anymore
[14:24] <xnox> or does that replace libtag itself?
[14:25] <Riddell> no, it just comes from a project called rusxmms
[14:25] <Riddell> it replaces libtag
[14:27] <Riddell> I'll try porting the patch
[15:03] <Riddell> pkgkde-symbolshelper seems to have lost its mojo, the update to attica didn't work on platforms other than those I've built it on already and applied the build log
[15:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taglib/+bug/1050463 for you, you may want to add any other information you think will persuade the release team
[16:49] <yofel> evening
[16:51] <yofel> Riddell: thanks for the blueprint, I'll probably read that sometime over the weekend
[16:52] <shadeslayer> meeting in a hour right ?
[16:55] <tsimpson> ~1 hour 5 minutes
[18:00] <Riddell> 1 minutes to kubuntu-meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: ping?
[18:01] <Riddell> darkwing_: ping?
[18:01] <Riddell> jussi01-nom: ping?
[18:02] <apachelogger> pong
[18:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: meeting!
[18:02]  * apachelogger puts on some pants
[18:02] <Riddell> in #kubuntu-meeting
[18:02] <Riddell> er
[18:02] <Riddell> in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:03] <apachelogger> we should totally decide where to do meetings :P
[18:29] <Riddell> SteveRiley: meeting?
[18:30] <tsdgeos> are you guys rebuilding kdelibs? the new attica makes all apps crash
[18:31] <yofel> that should not happen...
[18:32] <tsdgeos> agreed
[18:33] <tsdgeos> crashing is bad :D
[18:34] <CIA-12> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 44 * debian/changelog release 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1
[18:34] <yofel> wasn't committed
[18:41] <shadeslayer> new attica got uploaded?
[18:41] <tsdgeos> yes
[18:42] <tsdgeos> and now my system has a mixture of 0.3 and 0.4
[18:42] <tsdgeos> and obviously things don't really play well with eachother
[18:44] <yofel> well, 0.3 and 0.4 have a different ABI and SONAME - so by definition nothing should break. But KDE does weird things with libs...
[18:45] <tsdgeos> yeah well
[18:45] <tsdgeos> i can tell you why it crashes 
[18:45] <tsdgeos> it's not KDE fault
[18:46] <Riddell> it's still compiling
[18:46] <Riddell> I should have used -proposed for it
[18:46] <tsdgeos> Riddell: ok, it's fine, i just wanted to know if it was being taken care of or not
[18:47] <tsdgeos> i can live with crashing about dialogs for a few days
[18:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/kmix-flick.mkv
[18:48] <apachelogger> do you get that when quickly changing tracks in amarok?
[18:49] <shadeslayer> aye, I've seen that happen before
[18:49] <shadeslayer> however, I don't use amarok 
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Tomhawk :)
[18:52] <apachelogger> same thing
[18:52] <apachelogger> it's caused by pulse streams chagning
[18:54] <apachelogger> d__ed: btw any additional feedback on ktp from us asking people to test?
[18:54]  * apachelogger thinks somehow all the wrong people were reached and feedback was mediocre
[19:14] <yofel> as for kde-wallpapers. Including all resolutions of Ariya would be roughly +28MB, but I would still give it a try
[19:17] <apachelogger> yofel: try png compression techniques
[19:17] <apachelogger> might squeeze out a bit
[19:18] <yofel> hm, the archive does run optipng over it
[19:18]  * yofel tries
[19:22] <Quintasan> afiestas: #ubuntu-meeting
[19:36] <yofel> apachelogger: saves about 1MB as most of the images are already optimized
[19:54] <apachelogger> yofel: that's something
[22:23] <ScottK> Meeting seemed to go well enough.
[22:43] <apachelogger> also as promised I broke kmix https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdemultimedia/kmix/repository/revisions/d1344b63ded3b53dff44794f8e17e67ca530de9e
[22:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we maybe should backport that
[22:44] <apachelogger> the issue is rather ewww on various levels