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| yofel | o/ | 18:00 |
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| JontheEchidna | o/ | 18:00 |
| d__ed | o/ | 18:00 |
| Riddell | good evening friends | 18:00 |
| Riddell | let's have a kubuntu meeting | 18:01 |
| JontheEchidna | sure, why not? :) | 18:01 |
| Riddell | alas ScottK can't be with us but he's briefed me on his thinking | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | \o | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | ahoy | 18:03 |
| Riddell | yay | 18:03 |
| Riddell | we have a quorum | 18:03 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 18:03 |
| Riddell | where shall we start? | 18:03 |
| JontheEchidna | what is "Emerge support partner update" on the agenda? | 18:03 |
| Riddell | that's from last time | 18:04 |
| Riddell | nice company who want to offer support for kubuntu | 18:04 |
| Riddell | with profits going back to kubuntu | 18:04 |
| JontheEchidna | ah, I must have not been able to attend that meeting | 18:04 |
| Riddell | he was on holiday but said he's got an agreement with canonical now and needs to go over it with his legal person | 18:04 |
| Riddell | and it's a priority for him | 18:05 |
| JontheEchidna | that's great | 18:05 |
| shadeslayer | oh, sounds really cool | 18:05 |
| shadeslayer | do we have notes on how that works? | 18:05 |
| Riddell | how what works? | 18:05 |
| shadeslayer | providing support etc | 18:05 |
| Quintasan | \o | 18:06 |
| Riddell | he's got a company lined up to do it, when they're ready to launch we make a big splash and hope there's someone who wants to buy it | 18:06 |
| Quintasan | hmm | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | oh ... so they offer services and profits come back to us | 18:07 |
| Quintasan | sounds nice | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | sounds cool | 18:07 |
| Riddell | shall we do some 12.10 features review? | 18:08 |
| JontheEchidna | sounds good to me | 18:08 |
| Riddell | has every tried beta 1? | 18:08 |
| Riddell | has everyone tried beta 1? | 18:08 |
| d__ed | I have | 18:08 |
| JontheEchidna | I've been running quantal since the archive opened :) | 18:08 |
| IdleOne | running it now | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | aye | 18:08 |
| Quintasan | I think I updated my quantal vm yesterday and it was quite smooth | 18:08 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu lists most of the new stuff | 18:08 |
| yofel | me too, but I'm not sure if I noticed everything we changed | 18:09 |
| * shadeslayer needs to go back to precise however | 18:09 | |
| Riddell | hmm where to start? | 18:09 |
| Riddell | with the easy stuff maybe | 18:09 |
| Riddell | adding skanlite and kamoso seems fairly uncontrovertial | 18:10 |
| Riddell | any comments? | 18:10 |
| JontheEchidna | good additions, +1 | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | how much space does kamoso eat up? | 18:10 |
| Riddell | 197 kB | 18:10 |
| Quintasan | Did skanlite get any updates? I recall it was pretty plain when I used it last time | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: no additional deps? | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | (compared to what we have) | 18:11 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: the only other non-qt deps seem to be qtgstreamer, which we were already pulling in for the QApt GStreamer installer thingy | 18:11 |
| JontheEchidna | *non-qt/kde | 18:12 |
| d__ed | and for KTp's call UI. | 18:12 |
| Riddell | telepathy also pulls in the gstreamer bits | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | kipi-plugins is new | 18:12 |
| Quintasan | Was about to comment on how funny it looks: non-qt deps and we pull qtgstreamer :D | 18:12 |
| shadeslayer | d__ed: we don't ship call ui on the cd | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | huh | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | kipi-plugins is actually quite excessive | 18:12 |
| yofel | we have kipi-plugins on the image? | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | it is a recommends, so I'd assume so | 18:13 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Would you rather have Gwenview or other apps that use kipi-plugins prompt user to install additional software? | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | also kamoso without kipi-plugins quite frankly makes even less sense | 18:13 |
| Riddell | no kipi-plugins on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120913/quantal-desktop-amd64.manifest | 18:13 |
| yofel | apachelogger: it's actually a suggests in quantal | 18:14 |
| Riddell | we're not short of space on the images now | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | ok, so I raise the thought that without kipi-plugins kamoso is only half as use"full" | 18:14 |
| yofel | we are using quite a bit already though, does someone know how much kipi-plugins would use? | 18:15 |
| Riddell | adding kipi-plugins seems the obvious answer then | 18:15 |
| Quintasan | +1 on adding kipi-plugins if we have the space | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | the plugins themselfs are some 3 mib | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | + it has deps | 18:15 |
| Riddell | hi Mamarok, currently discussing kamoso and kipi-plugins | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | so that warrants technical investigation IMHO | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | at any rate +1 on both as long as kipi does not drag in unresonable amounts of deps | 18:15 |
| yofel | agreed | 18:16 |
| Riddell | adding kipi-plugins to my newly installed machine says 74MB to download | 18:16 |
| Riddell | erk | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | otherwise kipi may get split | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kipi split then | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | kamoso only uses like 3 plugins | 18:16 |
| * apachelogger puts on todo | 18:16 | |
| apachelogger | let's move on | 18:16 |
| Riddell | ACTION: investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger | 18:16 |
| shadeslayer | erm | 18:17 |
| * Quintasan scratches his head | 18:17 | |
| tsimpson | you didn't #startmeeting | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | aye ^ | 18:17 |
| yofel | talking about disk space - does anyone mind shipping all resolutions of the default wallpaper by default instead of just 1920x1200? | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | #startmeeting | 18:17 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Sep 13 18:17:27 2012 UTC. The chair is shadeslayer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:17 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | #chair Riddell | 18:17 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: Riddell shadeslayer | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | #unchair shadeslayer | 18:17 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: Riddell shadeslayer | 18:17 |
| Quintasan | yofel: I was wondering why we are not using SVG | 18:17 |
| Riddell | tsimpson: shrug, I find doing it manually is no harder :) | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | wat | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: the bot be broken :P | 18:18 |
| Riddell | yofel: what's the advantage? | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: Qt only has tinysvg renderering | 18:18 |
| tsimpson | Riddell: just make is easier to copy-paste the minutes in my experience | 18:18 |
| * xnox #meetingname ?! or use #startmeeting Secret Society Meeting | 18:18 | |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Can't say that it tells me anything apart from implied "it won't work" | 18:18 |
| tsimpson | shadeslayer: bug AlanBell :) | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: you do not get bogus wallpaper scaling on non-widescreen resolutions | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: also faster netbook start | 18:19 |
| shadeslayer | ACTION: investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | also faster mobile start | 18:19 |
| Riddell | #action investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger | 18:19 |
| meetingology | ACTION: investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | also faster everythign start given appropriate screen size | 18:19 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok | 18:19 |
| Riddell | #action investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel | 18:19 |
| meetingology | ACTION: investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel | 18:19 |
| yofel | Riddell: might look more consistent and might help with some weird bug where the settings show a ghost '1900x1200' entry in the wallpaper settings by default. I'll try to test this and will get back to you | 18:19 |
| Riddell | Kde-Config-Tablet anyone used it? | 18:19 |
| JontheEchidna | not I | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | no hardware to test | 18:20 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: In other words, using SVG as wallpaper is not possible? | 18:20 |
| d__ed | no, I do have hardware though. | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: not as viable anyway | 18:20 |
| Quintasan | tablet as in wacom tablets or tablet as in transformer? | 18:20 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: wacom | 18:20 |
| * Quintasan will looks for his wacom tablet | 18:20 | |
| apachelogger | d__ed should test ;) | 18:20 |
| Riddell | the name could do with some clarification | 18:21 |
| * AlanBell wonders if anyone has even tried to use #unchair before | 18:21 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: postpone decision until either of the two has used it? | 18:21 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'd assign the action but I'd feel bad until d__ed has said if he actually want to do it | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | given that there is (as usual) no viable data anywhere whetehr it works and does what it is supposed to, it makes little sense to make a decision here IMHO | 18:22 |
| d__ed | ok, I'll do it (or try at least) | 18:22 |
| Riddell | don't let us pressure you into it! | 18:23 |
| d__ed | it's fine :) | 18:23 |
| Riddell | #action test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan | 18:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan | 18:23 |
| Riddell | Print Manager, how's it working? | 18:23 |
| Riddell | I've tried it with a new laser printer I've picked up and it works well | 18:23 |
| Quintasan | ha, I have managed to add my printer and print something | 18:23 |
| JontheEchidna | I've not had any problems on my end either | 18:23 |
| Quintasan | pretty smooth considering it was a pain to set it up ealier | 18:24 |
| Riddell | the UI of the config tool is acceptable but not as nice as the one I made for s-c-p-k back in the day in my opinion | 18:24 |
| Riddell | but the applet is much more pretty | 18:24 |
| Riddell | and doesn't have the obvious bugs in it | 18:24 |
| Riddell | anyone looked at the upstream discussion recently? | 18:24 |
| Riddell | dantti proposed it on kde-core-devel | 18:24 |
| shadeslayer | "Review Request: print-manager on kdereview" | 18:25 |
| shadeslayer | that one? | 18:25 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: yes | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | aye | 18:25 |
| AlanBell | Riddell: tsimpson: shadeslayer: #unchair works, but you can't unchair yourself. That probably seemed like a sensible safety precaution at the time. | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | IIRC there was some l10n issue | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | worth looking into | 18:25 |
| Riddell | it had the obvious problem of needing system-config-printer-gnome but I removed the errors because they're not actually needed | 18:25 |
| shadeslayer | AlanBell: ah :D | 18:25 |
| Riddell | and ScottK pointed me to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/902762 where till discusses that it can probably be fixed anyway | 18:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 902762 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Quantal) "scp-dbus-service.py crashed with ImportError in __main__: No module named asyncconn" [High,Fix released] | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer | Hm, should buy a printer | 18:26 |
| apachelogger | +1 on print-manager | 18:26 |
| apachelogger | it's the future I tell ya | 18:26 |
| shadeslayer | I do remember setting up a printer for a teacher at my college a year ago, did not work out so well | 18:26 |
| JontheEchidna | +1 print manager | 18:27 |
| Riddell | #action review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell | 18:27 |
| meetingology | ACTION: review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell | 18:27 |
| shadeslayer | ( printed about a 100 blank test pages ) | 18:27 |
| Riddell | Colord KDE | 18:27 |
| Riddell | anyone used it | 18:27 |
| Riddell | or have a use for it? | 18:27 |
| Quintasan | lol shadeslayer probably didn't insert the cartidge :P | 18:27 |
| * apachelogger does not know what it is for | 18:27 | |
| Riddell | it's in because of rumours that ubuntu desktop has a colour calibration tool | 18:27 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I hear good things about it | 18:28 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: from whom? | 18:28 |
| shadeslayer | haven't used one myself | 18:28 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: people on G+ | 18:28 |
| apachelogger | also are there not two implementations of color calibration right now? | 18:28 |
| shadeslayer | don't ask me for specific posts because I don't remember | 18:28 |
| yofel | we do have kgamma - but I don't know what exactly colord does | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer | I believe you can use a Hugghe(?) device to use colord-kde | 18:29 |
| * Quintasan shrugs | 18:29 | |
| shadeslayer | not sure how to pronounce it | 18:29 |
| Quintasan | Never used such stuff. | 18:29 |
| JontheEchidna | graphics designers use it to color-correct their displays so that things look like they would in real life | 18:29 |
| yofel | well, that would be progress | 18:29 |
| yofel | JontheEchidna: can't you configure that with kgamma? | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | no | 18:30 |
| yofel | or is colord somewhat automated? | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | kgamma corrects gamma :P | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer | colord takes info from a actual device I do believe | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | also the colord stuff is supposed to make you do it right | 18:30 |
| Riddell | kgamma is only monitors | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer | that you put on your monitor | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: something like that | 18:30 |
| Riddell | colord-kde is for webcams and printers too | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | anywho | 18:30 |
| yofel | ah ok, colord++ then | 18:30 |
| apachelogger | if someone tested it throw it on | 18:30 |
| Riddell | #action find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell | 18:31 |
| meetingology | ACTION: find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | aha | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | found it | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | This guy https://plus.google.com/107928060492923463788 | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | it's called a ColorHug | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer | and I think we can find this device at UDS for testing | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | hug the next item, this meeting is taking forever :P | 18:32 |
| Riddell | he wrote colord didn't he? | 18:32 |
| Riddell | GTK Configuration | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer | aye, he also made the actual device I think | 18:32 |
| Riddell | new tool configures both gtk 2 and gtk 3 | 18:33 |
| Riddell | whereas the old one configured 2 and used the same settings for 3 | 18:33 |
| Riddell | which was unlikely to work | 18:33 |
| shadeslayer | " The ColorHug is an open source display colorimeter. It allows you to calibrate your screen for accurate color matching. " | 18:33 |
| Riddell | vis xsettings-kde | 18:33 |
| Riddell | via xsettings-kde | 18:33 |
| shadeslayer | the question is, how many people are likely to own one of these devices to use with colord-kde | 18:34 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: If the new one works then I see no point in wondering. | 18:34 |
| shadeslayer | because it seems a bit useless without the device | 18:34 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: tried it? | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | maybe I am being silly | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | but why do we need gtk configuration again? | 18:35 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Can't say I run many GTK applications. Firefox looks good. | 18:35 |
| yofel | apachelogger: $people want it, for whatever reason | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | ... | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | last I checked you could use GTK's GTK configuration tool to configure GTK | 18:36 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | just saying | 18:36 |
| yofel | are we still shipping xsettings? as this was probably our only reason to have it on the disk | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | there is things that make sense and then there is GTK configuration done in Qt using KDE libraries... | 18:36 |
| Riddell | yofel: this new tool replaces xsettings-kde | 18:36 |
| yofel | good | 18:36 |
| yofel | apachelogger: gtk has a configuration tool? I know gnome has one, but that pulls in half of gnome | 18:37 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 18:37 |
| apachelogger | so? | 18:37 |
| apachelogger | :P | 18:37 |
| yofel | ... | 18:37 |
| apachelogger | try to configuring phonon | 18:37 |
| apachelogger | ... | 18:37 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger's logic: why use something else when we can pull half of gnome | 18:38 |
| Quintasan | :P | 18:38 |
| shadeslayer | it only seems logical | 18:39 |
| yofel | anyway, I'm pretty much fine with the new KCM. I don't like how it sets gtk3, but that's gtk3's fault so we won't get anything better I believe | 18:39 |
| Riddell | it sets it in such a way it doesn't affect gnome/unity sessions | 18:40 |
| Riddell | so it shouldn't get in the way of people who like to switch | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | +1 then | 18:40 |
| apachelogger | also action to investigate just exactly who our target audience is | 18:41 |
| yofel | I know it doesn't mess with gnome, my concern were the other DE's | 18:41 |
| yofel | apachelogger++ | 18:41 |
| Riddell | akonadi-facebook? | 18:41 |
| Riddell | anyone tried it? | 18:42 |
| d__ed | mck182 says yes. | 18:42 |
| d__ed | (he's here with me, I'm not psychic) | 18:42 |
| Riddell | it works for me, but I don't keep a lot of stuff in my facebook calendar | 18:42 |
| d__ed | (edit: not the packages) | 18:42 |
| Riddell | but maybe the cool kids get appointments through facebook | 18:43 |
| Riddell | ScottK had a concern about privacy | 18:43 |
| * shadeslayer is adding his account atm | 18:43 | |
| JontheEchidna | it's opt-in, isn't it? | 18:43 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: how so? | 18:43 |
| Riddell | yes it needs to be set up so I don't think it's different from people using it on a web browser | 18:43 |
| Quintasan | Can't say it's really needed but is a cool feature. | 18:43 |
| apachelogger | I really do not see a privacy issue | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | ^ | 18:44 |
| Riddell | same for akonadi-google | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | no different from importing your google data anyway | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | or kolab for that matter :P | 18:44 |
| d__ed | (mck182 says that in the very near future the kfacebook and the akonadi plugin are going to split into a separate repo) | 18:45 |
| yofel | libkgoogle works fine for me | 18:45 |
| d__ed | will this cause a packaging issue? | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | nope | 18:45 |
| shadeslayer | hm | 18:45 |
| Riddell | d__ed: not if packagers get told about it | 18:45 |
| shadeslayer | doesn't seem to fetch my calendar events | 18:45 |
| shadeslayer | contacts look fine | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | does it actually allow adding events? | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | not adding, but I think it allows retrieving right? | 18:46 |
| yofel | kontact does annoy me about my google calendar reminders | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | oh well | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | it's a nice tech demo then | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | (not beign able to add things always seems a bit of a deal breaker to me with online thingy integration) | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | anyhow +1 for shipping | 18:47 |
| d__ed | apparently, I'm going to do the akonadi-facebook library splitting right now... | 18:47 |
| Riddell | d__ed: we can avoid that until next release I think | 18:48 |
| Riddell | KDE Telepthy | 18:48 |
| Riddell | who's tried it? | 18:48 |
| d__ed | me! | 18:48 |
| Quintasan | \o/ | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | moi | 18:48 |
| Quintasan | INCLUDE ALL THE THINGS | 18:48 |
| Mamarok | me too | 18:48 |
| Riddell | I think the question with kde-telepathy is about whether we should have the panel presence applet on by default | 18:49 |
| yofel | telepathy works nice here (jabber, ICQ, facebook) | 18:49 |
| Quintasan | ^ same here | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I do not really think it is an option | 18:49 |
| Riddell | ScottK said if it was on by default he'd want the message indicator removed and replaced with the normal systray icon for quassel | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | you'd otherwise be online without having visual indication of that | 18:49 |
| Quintasan | +1 apachelogger | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that'd make sense | 18:50 |
| d__ed | I did discuss on the launchpad bug, if it's wanted we can make it autohide if you have no accounts | 18:50 |
| * Quintasan always removed Message Indicator | 18:50 | |
| shadeslayer | I'm not sure if it's worth keepimg mi | 18:50 |
| d__ed | (for a 0.5.1) | 18:50 |
| Quintasan | d__ed: That would be nice | 18:50 |
| d__ed | (still talking about presence applet not MI) | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | d__ed: that'd be handy | 18:50 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, +1 on switching to telepathy and ditching MI | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | *keeping | 18:50 |
| Riddell | the presence applet doesn't fit in with the other white icons on the panel! | 18:50 |
| d__ed | so it would be in the little "up arrow" bit of the system tray if you have none. | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | I agree with Riddell on that one | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | better than always having it visible IMHO | 18:51 |
| * yofel is pretty happy it's not black/white... | 18:51 | |
| yofel | and isn't it grey when you're offline? | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | yes it is | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | grey, not oxygen-opaque-grey | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | but it's not monochromey | 18:51 |
| Riddell | who wants the action item to add it? | 18:51 |
| d__ed | on the icons: | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, d__ed: did someone talk with master nuno about the monochromeness? | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: moi | 18:52 |
| Quintasan | TBH I didn't like the monochrome approach to the icons | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | I think the bug is already assigned to me | 18:52 |
| d__ed | (quoting martin) "there was a guy who made some monochrome icons, and we made it load the plasma icons, but they looked really bad" | 18:52 |
| Riddell | #action add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer | 18:52 |
| meetingology | ACTION: add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer | 18:52 |
| d__ed | (actually he didn't say really bad) | 18:52 |
| d__ed | can we action someone opening a bug on KTp about making it hide | 18:53 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer | 18:53 |
| d__ed | actually, nm. I'll do it | 18:53 |
| Riddell | #action open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed | 18:53 |
| meetingology | ACTION: open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed | 18:53 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: | 18:53 |
| Riddell | LightDM-KDE | 18:53 |
| Riddell | new bling or untested scaryness? | 18:54 |
| Riddell | 14:51 <ScottK> For lightdm, I've also not tested it, but it's not obvious to me it's enough better than kdm yet to merit diverging from upstream. | 18:54 |
| Riddell | I think it's worth it for the guest session | 18:54 |
| JontheEchidna | I've not had any problems with it, and it looks great | 18:54 |
| d__ed | the thread on the Kubuntu forums was very positive | 18:55 |
| Riddell | d__ed: oh? I'll have to look that up | 18:55 |
| d__ed | (after 0.3.0 anyway) | 18:55 |
| yofel | background needs fixing to match kspalsh 4.9 (I forgot to file a bug about that) - otherwise nice | 18:55 |
| shadeslayer | Guest sessions are awesome | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | yofel: was about to do that when Riddell dragged me in here -.- | 18:55 |
| shadeslayer | and I've already filed a bug about wallpapers and light dm | 18:55 |
| yofel | ah good :) | 18:55 |
| Riddell | yofel: so more solid grey? | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: same as we have in plymouth | 18:56 |
| * Quintasan always wanted to *DM and splash to take users wallpaper | 18:56 | |
| apachelogger | i.e. the "proper" ariya boot experience as intended by the mighty oxygen overlords | 18:56 |
| yofel | as apachelogger said (without stripes) | 18:56 |
| Riddell | #action make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger | 18:56 |
| meetingology | ACTION: make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger | 18:56 |
| d__ed | you canyou can't do that. | 18:56 |
| d__ed | *you can't do that. | 18:56 |
| d__ed | login manager has more than one user | 18:56 |
| Quintasan | d__ed: Unfortunately. | 18:56 |
| d__ed | therefore not possible | 18:56 |
| d__ed | also, plasma wallpaper is | 18:57 |
| d__ed | 1) not always an image | 18:57 |
| d__ed | 2) different per screen | 18:57 |
| d__ed | 3) different per activity | 18:57 |
| Riddell | d__ed: can't so what? | 18:57 |
| d__ed | oh | 18:57 |
| d__ed | sorry, I've misread two sentences | 18:57 |
| d__ed | you can't make the lightdm background match the users | 18:57 |
| d__ed | obviously you can make lightdm + ksplash have the same default. | 18:58 |
| d__ed | and that'd be awesome | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | (technically you can make them match given the constraints are met :P) | 18:58 |
| Riddell | and the pre-X splash | 18:58 |
| d__ed | do we have a new background? | 18:58 |
| d__ed | a special Kubuntu one? | 18:59 |
| d__ed | FWIW, LightDM-KDE right now default to whatever the plasma default one is. | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | d__ed: more like, new plymouth screen | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | technically you can keep them all synced up as long as there is only one screen and the plasma background is an image ;) | 18:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger gave ksplash and plymouth a grey background without stripes last time | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | s/screen/splash/ | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | so... | 18:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you say that was what oxygen dudes wanted? | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | totally worth trying lightdm for this release, it seems table enough | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | I am not particularly fond of the splash(es) | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | *stable even | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: aye | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | the stripes were only intended for the desktop | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | as otherwise it had missed drama (i.e. it would have been too dull to look at over long period of time) | 19:00 |
| Riddell | got to have some drama in free software | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 19:01 |
| d__ed | :) last release some artist made some sexy Kubuntu backgrounds | 19:02 |
| d__ed | the blue ones | 19:02 |
| d__ed | which I only saw after release. | 19:02 |
| Riddell | d__ed: someone within blue systems but I still don't know who | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | ^ | 19:02 |
| Riddell | mysterious lot them | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | I still have the wallpapers if someone wants them | 19:02 |
| d__ed | could we ask to get some for this release? | 19:02 |
| Riddell | yeah that would be good | 19:02 |
| * shadeslayer would like some nice Kubuntu wallpapers on the ISO | 19:02 | |
| d__ed | worth asking anyway (IMHO) | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | *calligra* | 19:03 |
| Riddell | #action find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell | 19:03 |
| meetingology | ACTION: find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell | 19:03 |
| Riddell | Calligra Suite - time to give it a chance or stay with the old? | 19:04 |
| Riddell | I'm still all for it, it works pleasingly well and it gives us more apps on the CD like krita | 19:04 |
| Riddell | and it fits in with my KDE idealism | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | https://plus.google.com/u/0/107577785796696065138/posts/K36rbyfXBSa | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | I've done some documented editing on words, still a bit quirky, but good enough | 19:04 |
| d__ed | well, one option is to not go for the whole thing, if CD space is no longer an issue | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | just about every opinion I saw while looking for them was like the one in that poll | 19:05 |
| d__ed | i.e krita, but not word clone | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | most people do not care particularly | 19:05 |
| Riddell | <ScottK> I'm still -1 on Calligra by default due to lack of MS Office file format export capability. Like it or not, that's what people deal in and we should hold our noses a bit (it's not like LO is great either, but it is more interoperable) and ship LO by default since that will serve more users better. | 19:06 |
| yofel | I found words to be a bit weird so I would prefer libreoffice - if you want a serious office solution on the ISO | 19:06 |
| Quintasan | +1 on keeping LibreOffice | 19:06 |
| yofel | positive was that I at least had 0 crashes with 2.5 | 19:06 |
| Quintasan | While Calligra is shaping nicely I can't see it being our default office suite yet. | 19:06 |
| Riddell | unlike libreoffice, its quality has got worse in recent releases | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | I would actually claim that this choice once more depends on the target audience :P | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | since we are not quite sure on who that is... | 19:07 |
| Quintasan | It works generally but has some quirks and looks unpolished. | 19:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: canonical vs BTS Travels :P | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | nay | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | well | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | yes | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | only partially though | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | it's also about just how much you use the stuff and what you do with them | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | if you write one letter a month then calligra will do the job | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | if you have to do serious office work (database driven mass letter production and whatnot) it may not be so suitable | 19:09 |
| Riddell | I think calligra would be better for that? kexi is looking lovely, I've never got libreoffice database thing to work | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | (mostly you base that not on teh actual database apps but csv in the spreadsheet app ;)) | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | at any rate | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | from where I am standing calligra has problems scaling up | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | so if we want to offer a compelling out of the box office for both home users and businesses | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | I do strongy believe libreoffice is the thing to use for the time being | 19:11 |
| Riddell | scaling up? | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I really do not see myself pulling all the template madness of everyday office live in word | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | so it does nto scale up from once-a-month users to daily users | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | former it does fine with, latter not so much | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | I would actually like if Calligra just started with a default A4 template | 19:12 |
| shadeslayer | and then if you want, you could change templates | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | all that being said | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | if we want calligra to become a proper replacement at some point | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | it may be wise to put it on the image for this release | 19:13 |
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| apachelogger | and since we have so many new apps on board we could then label this release as a tech evaluation release or something | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | giving users a solid base to work on, to try apps that may not yet be perfect but show great potential | 19:14 |
| d__ed | I think for every change you should have a release where it's in the repos but not default | 19:14 |
| d__ed | (like KTp and Ldm had) | 19:14 |
| Riddell | this has been in the repos since ubuntu began | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | generally I agree, but there is only so much testing you get out fo simply being in the repos | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | to sum up my thoughts: +1 on staying with libreoffice, +1 on using calligra but then the release should not be marketed as the latest and greatest super stable version | 19:17 |
| shadeslayer | alright, I need to leave, I'll be continuing from my phone | 19:17 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: do you have a position as a council member? | 19:17 |
| JontheEchidna | I think I'll have to take the more conservative route of keeping libreoffice default for this release | 19:18 |
| Riddell | so 1.5 votes for calligra, 2.5 votes for libreoffice | 19:19 |
| Riddell | I'll poke jussi and darkwing to get the full vote | 19:19 |
| Riddell | #action poke jussi and darking to get a full vote on calligra - riddell | 19:19 |
| meetingology | ACTION: poke jussi and darking to get a full vote on calligra - riddell | 19:19 |
| Riddell | anything else for 12.10? | 19:20 |
| Riddell | UDS sponsorship | 19:21 |
| Riddell | apachelogger, JontheEchidna: how do we decide who to sponsor? | 19:21 |
| JontheEchidna | that's a good question | 19:21 |
| JontheEchidna | I suppose we'd need to know how many people we can sponsor, and then develop some sort of criteria? | 19:21 |
| Quintasan | I think it's me, agateau and Alex | 19:22 |
| Riddell | well that's a bit unknown unless you want to do lots of time calculating the cost | 19:22 |
| Riddell | but we have £10000 in the bank so I think it wouldn't be a problem | 19:22 |
| Riddell | for those three | 19:22 |
| Riddell | (that's to last all year mind, so another UDS too) | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | I think we first should set a budget for sponsorship which ought to be a subset of all the money :P | 19:23 |
| Riddell | ScottK suggested we nudge them for a concrete contribution to KDE/Kubuntu that would happen because of them coming | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | and a plan of what they concretely want to do would be in order | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | also a rough estimate for travel + accomodation | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | also perhaps we want to talk with the kde e.v. if say agateau or afiestas want to do something very KDE focusy | 19:24 |
| Riddell | I'm not sure how concrete it's sensible to be, at least for upstreams like afiestas a lot of the value is in them telling us what's good and what will be good | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | so it'd be in the interest of KDE throwing some money at them to make that happen | 19:25 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: since we have the money I don't think we should be asking another body for it | 19:25 |
| Riddell | and e.v. aren't full of money currently so I doubt they'd be interested | 19:26 |
| JontheEchidna | is it known how Canonical decides to sponsor people for UDS? | 19:26 |
| JontheEchidna | for a set of criteria to compare to | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: jono rolls a dice | 19:27 |
| Riddell | no idea, always been a black box to me | 19:27 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: :P | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | its on jono's blog | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | that's how I'd do it :P | 19:27 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: cat /dev/random and see whose name has majority of the letters present in the first line of the output :P | 19:27 |
| Riddell | oh ScottK was also suggesting it might be polite to do it in private | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | the actual deciding? I agree | 19:28 |
| Quintasan | Ooops. | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I am not saying KDE should pay full attendance for someone but if there is a value to KDE I suppose it'd make sense if a "contribution" to the attendance was suggested | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | jono gives some criteria in this blog post, which it may be useful to consult when creating our own criteria: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/08/01/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-4/ | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ScottK has a point | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | also we still need a budget first :P | 19:30 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: like an amount for us to spend? | 19:31 |
| JontheEchidna | yes, I think the best way to proceed is to make a (at least rough) budget to see how many people we can sponsor in a year, develop a set of criteria to measure applicants against, and then in private make the actual sponsorship additions | 19:31 |
| JontheEchidna | s/additions/decisions | 19:31 |
| JontheEchidna | brainfart :P | 19:32 |
| Riddell | ok I'll do a rough budget then we can have an e-mail conversation with council members | 19:32 |
| Riddell | we should be mindful not to let it drag on, flights get more expensive and people need to make travel plans | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan, agateau, afiestas: if you have not done so, please make an estimate for your attendance cost (travel + hostel/hotel) | 19:33 |
| JontheEchidna | yes, it should definitely be a priority issue for the council | 19:33 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I asked about that. Can we stay in the same hotel as the event takes place or we need to look for something cheaper? | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | something cheaper I'd say :P | 19:34 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: Bella Sky is *really* expensive | 19:34 |
| shadeslayer | 120 EUR a day I think | 19:35 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer, apachelogger: That's why I'm asking :P | 19:35 |
| * Quintasan will look into it | 19:36 | |
| Riddell | #action rough budget for UDS sponsored people and e-mail conversation to decide - riddell | 19:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: rough budget for UDS sponsored people and e-mail conversation to decide - riddell | 19:36 |
| Riddell | UDS swag, I'd like to get some nice kubuntu polo shirts for UDS | 19:37 |
| Riddell | I think it's worth being visible | 19:37 |
| Riddell | ScottK said any active 12.10 contributor should get one posted out | 19:37 |
| JontheEchidna | it's worth looking in to | 19:37 |
| Riddell | rough cost up to £300 | 19:38 |
| JontheEchidna | did we have a design in mind? | 19:38 |
| Riddell | just a logo embroidered on it | 19:38 |
| JontheEchidna | +1 from me. All I have is this lousy Ubuntu t-shirt I got at UDS-o :P | 19:38 |
| * Quintasan has oneiric tshirt | 19:39 | |
| Quintasan | the logo is still visible | 19:39 |
| Quintasan | :D | 19:39 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: got a council vote? | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: actually 133*5=665=~520 gbp | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | or 530 | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | no clue | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: +1 | 19:40 |
| Riddell | groovy | 19:40 |
| Riddell | #action get kubuntu swag - riddell | 19:40 |
| meetingology | ACTION: get kubuntu swag - riddell | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I thought I mentioned it was 120 EUR a day | 19:41 |
| Riddell | please add topics for UDS to http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-uds | 19:41 |
| Riddell | any other business? | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | nope | 19:41 |
| Riddell | I think we're all businessed out | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: 130 != 120 :P | 19:41 |
| afiestas | mm | 19:41 |
| afiestas | it is not clear to me, should I look for hotel as well ? | 19:41 |
| afiestas | or only flight cost? | 19:41 |
| afiestas | then, send it to kubuntu-devel ? council? | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ofcourse | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer, Quintasan: to put the number into context ... most copenhagen hostels are between 20-30, making a total of 120 gbp for a week :) | 19:42 |
| Riddell | afiestas: send to council, you already looked at hotels didn't you so maybe send estimates of cheaper and the UDS hotel? | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | most hostels anywhere would cost that | 19:43 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: and the even hotel would be 520gbp? | 19:43 |
| Quintasan | wtf | 19:43 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: it's a fancy conference hotel near the airport | 19:43 |
| shadeslayer | aye | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | yeah, actually that is semi-cheap compared to some of the others ^^ | 19:43 |
| afiestas | Riddell: having another hotel will have extra costs, tarnsport and food (not that I mind to pay that myself, just saying) | 19:44 |
| shadeslayer | good thing is that I got sponsored, my flights would have eaten up a lot of the budget | 19:44 |
| afiestas | also, maybe we can ask Canonical for a special offer? I guess they get some because of the event | 19:44 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: 5000 is the special price | 19:44 |
| Riddell | maybe the rooms are big enough to sleep four in like in florida, but probably not | 19:44 |
| afiestas | shadeslayer: 5K per week? | 19:45 |
| afiestas | wtf? | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: doesn't look like it on the website | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas: 5 days | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer | 5K kronor | 19:45 |
| afiestas | 5K of what? | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer | a bit more actually | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: ~660 EUR for 5 days assuming a shared room | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | I think like 100 more for a single | 19:46 |
| afiestas | I'm not going to be able to organize hotel myself I'm afraid, at least not this week | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | assuming you all three would go into a hostel at 120eur for 5 days | 19:47 |
| afiestas | since the hotel is near the airport, I will have to look fro transportaion and food, adn this week (that is left of it) is quite busy | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | I must be off, but I think we've covered all council business. ttyl | 19:47 |
| jussi | I guess Ive some reading back to do. what about calligra? | 19:47 |
| Riddell | jussi: needs your vote | 19:47 |
| jussi | sorry I missed so much | 19:47 |
| jussi | let me catch up | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | compared to all three staying in the hotel that gives 1.2k to spend on transporation and food :P | 19:48 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: there is the "confortable" factor | 19:48 |
| afiestas | if I ahve to take a 2h train twice everyday I won't go | 19:48 |
| Riddell | €330 a person would be within our budget | 19:48 |
| jussi | I am with ScottK for exactly the same reason. (re: calligra) | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: I should hope that is not the case :P | 19:49 |
| afiestas | btw | 19:50 |
| afiestas | this year isn't 3 nights only? | 19:50 |
| afiestas | from 29 to 1? | 19:50 |
| afiestas | or I'm remembering it wrong? | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | ah, there was something, right | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | though I think it was 4 nights | 19:50 |
| Riddell | 4 days, 5 nights (unless you leave quick) | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | right | 19:51 |
| Riddell | I'm going out and returning on the saturdays | 19:51 |
| afiestas | so, from 28oct to nov2? | 19:51 |
| Riddell | yes | 19:51 |
| shadeslayer | I am arriving on the 27th evening, leaving 2nd morning | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | anywho, so since we do not have a steady income stuffing everyone into the fancy hotel for 130 a night on account of it being more comfortable seems ill-advised, which I hope is understandable | 19:52 |
| jussi | apachelogger: ++ | 19:52 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: we have a budget, it is there to be spent | 19:52 |
| afiestas | cheapest thing for individual I found in booking is 268, looking for the individual because of my snoring | 19:53 |
| afiestas | I don't mind sleeping with ppl, they midn sleeping in the room I'm xD | 19:53 |
| afiestas | next hotel is 413€ | 19:53 |
| afiestas | oh, there is one 346 | 19:53 |
| Riddell | ear plugs would be cheaper | 19:55 |
| Riddell | anyway, to be discussed by e-mail | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 19:55 |
| Riddell | I need to tend to my canoeists | 19:55 |
| * apachelogger leaves to break kmix then | 19:55 | |
| Riddell | thanks for coming all | 19:55 |
| Riddell | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| shadeslayer | night | 19:58 |
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