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[18:03] what is "Emerge support partner update" on the agenda? [18:04] that's from last time [18:04] nice company who want to offer support for kubuntu [18:04] with profits going back to kubuntu [18:04] ah, I must have not been able to attend that meeting [18:04] he was on holiday but said he's got an agreement with canonical now and needs to go over it with his legal person [18:05] and it's a priority for him [18:05] that's great [18:05] oh, sounds really cool [18:05] do we have notes on how that works? [18:05] how what works? [18:05] providing support etc [18:06] \o [18:06] he's got a company lined up to do it, when they're ready to launch we make a big splash and hope there's someone who wants to buy it [18:07] hmm [18:07] oh ... so they offer services and profits come back to us [18:07] sounds nice [18:07] sounds cool [18:08] shall we do some 12.10 features review? [18:08] sounds good to me [18:08] has every tried beta 1? [18:08] has everyone tried beta 1? [18:08] I have [18:08] I've been running quantal since the archive opened :) [18:08] running it now [18:08] aye [18:08] I think I updated my quantal vm yesterday and it was quite smooth [18:08] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu lists most of the new stuff [18:09] me too, but I'm not sure if I noticed everything we changed [18:09] * shadeslayer needs to go back to precise however [18:09] hmm where to start? [18:09] with the easy stuff maybe [18:10] adding skanlite and kamoso seems fairly uncontrovertial [18:10] any comments? [18:10] good additions, +1 [18:10] yep [18:10] how much space does kamoso eat up? [18:10] 197 kB [18:11] Did skanlite get any updates? I recall it was pretty plain when I used it last time [18:11] Riddell: no additional deps? [18:11] (compared to what we have) [18:11] apachelogger: the only other non-qt deps seem to be qtgstreamer, which we were already pulling in for the QApt GStreamer installer thingy [18:12] *non-qt/kde [18:12] and for KTp's call UI. [18:12] telepathy also pulls in the gstreamer bits [18:12] kipi-plugins is new [18:12] Was about to comment on how funny it looks: non-qt deps and we pull qtgstreamer :D [18:12] d__ed: we don't ship call ui on the cd [18:12] huh [18:12] kipi-plugins is actually quite excessive [18:13] we have kipi-plugins on the image? [18:13] it is a recommends, so I'd assume so [18:13] apachelogger: Would you rather have Gwenview or other apps that use kipi-plugins prompt user to install additional software? [18:13] also kamoso without kipi-plugins quite frankly makes even less sense [18:13] no kipi-plugins on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120913/quantal-desktop-amd64.manifest [18:14] apachelogger: it's actually a suggests in quantal [18:14] we're not short of space on the images now [18:14] ok, so I raise the thought that without kipi-plugins kamoso is only half as use"full" [18:15] we are using quite a bit already though, does someone know how much kipi-plugins would use? [18:15] adding kipi-plugins seems the obvious answer then [18:15] +1 on adding kipi-plugins if we have the space [18:15] the plugins themselfs are some 3 mib [18:15] + it has deps [18:15] hi Mamarok, currently discussing kamoso and kipi-plugins [18:15] so that warrants technical investigation IMHO [18:15] at any rate +1 on both as long as kipi does not drag in unresonable amounts of deps [18:16] agreed [18:16] adding kipi-plugins to my newly installed machine says 74MB to download [18:16] erk [18:16] otherwise kipi may get split [18:16] Riddell: kipi split then [18:16] kamoso only uses like 3 plugins [18:16] * apachelogger puts on todo [18:16] let's move on [18:16] ACTION: investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger [18:17] erm [18:17] * Quintasan scratches his head [18:17] you didn't #startmeeting [18:17] aye ^ [18:17] talking about disk space - does anyone mind shipping all resolutions of the default wallpaper by default instead of just 1920x1200? [18:17] #startmeeting [18:17] Meeting started Thu Sep 13 18:17:27 2012 UTC. The chair is shadeslayer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:17] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:17] #chair Riddell [18:17] Current chairs: Riddell shadeslayer [18:17] #unchair shadeslayer [18:17] Current chairs: Riddell shadeslayer [18:17] yofel: I was wondering why we are not using SVG [18:17] tsimpson: shrug, I find doing it manually is no harder :) [18:17] wat [18:18] tsimpson: the bot be broken :P [18:18] yofel: what's the advantage? [18:18] Quintasan: Qt only has tinysvg renderering [18:18] Riddell: just make is easier to copy-paste the minutes in my experience [18:18] * xnox #meetingname ?! or use #startmeeting Secret Society Meeting [18:18] apachelogger: Can't say that it tells me anything apart from implied "it won't work" [18:18] shadeslayer: bug AlanBell :) [18:18] Riddell: you do not get bogus wallpaper scaling on non-widescreen resolutions [18:18] :P [18:19] Riddell: also faster netbook start [18:19] ACTION: investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger [18:19] also faster mobile start [18:19] #action investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger [18:19] ACTION: investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger [18:19] also faster everythign start given appropriate screen size [18:19] ah ok [18:19] #action investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel [18:19] ACTION: investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel [18:19] Riddell: might look more consistent and might help with some weird bug where the settings show a ghost '1900x1200' entry in the wallpaper settings by default. I'll try to test this and will get back to you [18:19] Kde-Config-Tablet anyone used it? [18:20] not I [18:20] no hardware to test [18:20] apachelogger: In other words, using SVG as wallpaper is not possible? [18:20] no, I do have hardware though. [18:20] Quintasan: not as viable anyway [18:20] tablet as in wacom tablets or tablet as in transformer? [18:20] Quintasan: wacom [18:20] * Quintasan will looks for his wacom tablet [18:20] d__ed should test ;) [18:21] the name could do with some clarification [18:21] * AlanBell wonders if anyone has even tried to use #unchair before [18:21] Riddell: postpone decision until either of the two has used it? [18:22] apachelogger: I'd assign the action but I'd feel bad until d__ed has said if he actually want to do it [18:22] given that there is (as usual) no viable data anywhere whetehr it works and does what it is supposed to, it makes little sense to make a decision here IMHO [18:22] ok, I'll do it (or try at least) [18:23] don't let us pressure you into it! [18:23] it's fine :) [18:23] #action test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan [18:23] ACTION: test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan [18:23] Print Manager, how's it working? [18:23] I've tried it with a new laser printer I've picked up and it works well [18:23] ha, I have managed to add my printer and print something [18:23] I've not had any problems on my end either [18:24] pretty smooth considering it was a pain to set it up ealier [18:24] the UI of the config tool is acceptable but not as nice as the one I made for s-c-p-k back in the day in my opinion [18:24] but the applet is much more pretty [18:24] and doesn't have the obvious bugs in it [18:24] anyone looked at the upstream discussion recently? [18:24] dantti proposed it on kde-core-devel [18:25] "Review Request: print-manager on kdereview" [18:25] that one? [18:25] shadeslayer: yes [18:25] aye [18:25] Riddell: tsimpson: shadeslayer: #unchair works, but you can't unchair yourself. That probably seemed like a sensible safety precaution at the time. [18:25] IIRC there was some l10n issue [18:25] worth looking into [18:25] it had the obvious problem of needing system-config-printer-gnome but I removed the errors because they're not actually needed [18:25] AlanBell: ah :D [18:26] and ScottK pointed me to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/902762 where till discusses that it can probably be fixed anyway [18:26] Launchpad bug 902762 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Quantal) "scp-dbus-service.py crashed with ImportError in __main__: No module named asyncconn" [High,Fix released] [18:26] Hm, should buy a printer [18:26] +1 on print-manager [18:26] it's the future I tell ya [18:26] I do remember setting up a printer for a teacher at my college a year ago, did not work out so well [18:27] +1 print manager [18:27] #action review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell [18:27] ACTION: review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell [18:27] ( printed about a 100 blank test pages ) [18:27] Colord KDE [18:27] anyone used it [18:27] or have a use for it? [18:27] lol shadeslayer probably didn't insert the cartidge :P [18:27] * apachelogger does not know what it is for [18:27] it's in because of rumours that ubuntu desktop has a colour calibration tool [18:28] Riddell: I hear good things about it [18:28] shadeslayer: from whom? [18:28] haven't used one myself [18:28] Riddell: people on G+ [18:28] also are there not two implementations of color calibration right now? [18:28] don't ask me for specific posts because I don't remember [18:29] we do have kgamma - but I don't know what exactly colord does [18:29] I believe you can use a Hugghe(?) device to use colord-kde [18:29] * Quintasan shrugs [18:29] not sure how to pronounce it [18:29] Never used such stuff. [18:29] graphics designers use it to color-correct their displays so that things look like they would in real life [18:29] well, that would be progress [18:29] JontheEchidna: can't you configure that with kgamma? [18:30] no [18:30] or is colord somewhat automated? [18:30] kgamma corrects gamma :P [18:30] colord takes info from a actual device I do believe [18:30] also the colord stuff is supposed to make you do it right [18:30] kgamma is only monitors [18:30] that you put on your monitor [18:30] shadeslayer: something like that [18:30] colord-kde is for webcams and printers too [18:30] anywho [18:30] ah ok, colord++ then [18:30] if someone tested it throw it on [18:31] #action find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell [18:31] ACTION: find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell [18:31] aha [18:31] found it [18:31] This guy https://plus.google.com/107928060492923463788 [18:32] it's called a ColorHug [18:32] and I think we can find this device at UDS for testing [18:32] hug the next item, this meeting is taking forever :P [18:32] he wrote colord didn't he? [18:32] GTK Configuration [18:32] aye, he also made the actual device I think [18:33] new tool configures both gtk 2 and gtk 3 [18:33] whereas the old one configured 2 and used the same settings for 3 [18:33] which was unlikely to work [18:33] " The ColorHug is an open source display colorimeter. It allows you to calibrate your screen for accurate color matching. " [18:33] vis xsettings-kde [18:33] via xsettings-kde [18:34] the question is, how many people are likely to own one of these devices to use with colord-kde [18:34] Riddell: If the new one works then I see no point in wondering. [18:34] because it seems a bit useless without the device [18:34] Quintasan: tried it? [18:35] maybe I am being silly [18:35] but why do we need gtk configuration again? [18:35] Riddell: Can't say I run many GTK applications. Firefox looks good. [18:35] apachelogger: $people want it, for whatever reason [18:35] ... [18:36] last I checked you could use GTK's GTK configuration tool to configure GTK [18:36] heh [18:36] just saying [18:36] are we still shipping xsettings? as this was probably our only reason to have it on the disk [18:36] there is things that make sense and then there is GTK configuration done in Qt using KDE libraries... [18:36] yofel: this new tool replaces xsettings-kde [18:36] good [18:37] apachelogger: gtk has a configuration tool? I know gnome has one, but that pulls in half of gnome [18:37] yeah [18:37] so? [18:37] :P [18:37] ... [18:37] try to configuring phonon [18:37] ... [18:38] apachelogger's logic: why use something else when we can pull half of gnome [18:38] :P [18:39] it only seems logical [18:39] anyway, I'm pretty much fine with the new KCM. I don't like how it sets gtk3, but that's gtk3's fault so we won't get anything better I believe [18:40] it sets it in such a way it doesn't affect gnome/unity sessions [18:40] so it shouldn't get in the way of people who like to switch [18:40] +1 then [18:41] also action to investigate just exactly who our target audience is [18:41] I know it doesn't mess with gnome, my concern were the other DE's [18:41] apachelogger++ [18:41] akonadi-facebook? [18:42] anyone tried it? [18:42] mck182 says yes. [18:42] (he's here with me, I'm not psychic) [18:42] it works for me, but I don't keep a lot of stuff in my facebook calendar [18:42] (edit: not the packages) [18:43] but maybe the cool kids get appointments through facebook [18:43] ScottK had a concern about privacy [18:43] * shadeslayer is adding his account atm [18:43] it's opt-in, isn't it? [18:43] Riddell: how so? [18:43] yes it needs to be set up so I don't think it's different from people using it on a web browser [18:43] Can't say it's really needed but is a cool feature. [18:44] I really do not see a privacy issue [18:44] ^ [18:44] same for akonadi-google [18:44] no different from importing your google data anyway [18:44] or kolab for that matter :P [18:45] (mck182 says that in the very near future the kfacebook and the akonadi plugin are going to split into a separate repo) [18:45] libkgoogle works fine for me [18:45] will this cause a packaging issue? [18:45] nope [18:45] hm [18:45] d__ed: not if packagers get told about it [18:45] doesn't seem to fetch my calendar events [18:45] contacts look fine [18:46] does it actually allow adding events? [18:46] not adding, but I think it allows retrieving right? [18:46] kontact does annoy me about my google calendar reminders [18:46] oh well [18:46] it's a nice tech demo then [18:47] (not beign able to add things always seems a bit of a deal breaker to me with online thingy integration) [18:47] anyhow +1 for shipping [18:47] apparently, I'm going to do the akonadi-facebook library splitting right now... [18:48] d__ed: we can avoid that until next release I think [18:48] KDE Telepthy [18:48] who's tried it? [18:48] me! [18:48] \o/ [18:48] moi [18:48] INCLUDE ALL THE THINGS [18:48] me too [18:49] I think the question with kde-telepathy is about whether we should have the panel presence applet on by default [18:49] telepathy works nice here (jabber, ICQ, facebook) [18:49] ^ same here [18:49] Riddell: I do not really think it is an option [18:49] ScottK said if it was on by default he'd want the message indicator removed and replaced with the normal systray icon for quassel [18:49] you'd otherwise be online without having visual indication of that [18:49] +1 apachelogger [18:50] Riddell: that'd make sense [18:50] I did discuss on the launchpad bug, if it's wanted we can make it autohide if you have no accounts [18:50] * Quintasan always removed Message Indicator [18:50] I'm not sure if it's worth keepimg mi [18:50] (for a 0.5.1) [18:50] d__ed: That would be nice [18:50] (still talking about presence applet not MI) [18:50] d__ed: that'd be handy [18:50] yeah, +1 on switching to telepathy and ditching MI [18:50] *keeping [18:50] the presence applet doesn't fit in with the other white icons on the panel! [18:50] so it would be in the little "up arrow" bit of the system tray if you have none. [18:50] yeah [18:50] I agree with Riddell on that one [18:51] better than always having it visible IMHO [18:51] * yofel is pretty happy it's not black/white... [18:51] and isn't it grey when you're offline? [18:51] yes it is [18:51] grey, not oxygen-opaque-grey [18:51] but it's not monochromey [18:51] who wants the action item to add it? [18:52] on the icons: [18:52] Riddell, d__ed: did someone talk with master nuno about the monochromeness? [18:52] Riddell: moi [18:52] TBH I didn't like the monochrome approach to the icons [18:52] I think the bug is already assigned to me [18:52] (quoting martin) "there was a guy who made some monochrome icons, and we made it load the plasma icons, but they looked really bad" [18:52] #action add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer [18:52] ACTION: add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer [18:52] (actually he didn't say really bad) [18:53] can we action someone opening a bug on KTp about making it hide [18:53] shadeslayer [18:53] actually, nm. I'll do it [18:53] #action open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed [18:53] ACTION: open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed [18:53] apachelogger: [18:53] LightDM-KDE [18:54] new bling or untested scaryness? [18:54] 14:51 For lightdm, I've also not tested it, but it's not obvious to me it's enough better than kdm yet to merit diverging from upstream. [18:54] I think it's worth it for the guest session [18:54] I've not had any problems with it, and it looks great [18:55] the thread on the Kubuntu forums was very positive [18:55] d__ed: oh? I'll have to look that up [18:55] (after 0.3.0 anyway) [18:55] background needs fixing to match kspalsh 4.9 (I forgot to file a bug about that) - otherwise nice [18:55] Guest sessions are awesome [18:55] yofel: was about to do that when Riddell dragged me in here -.- [18:55] and I've already filed a bug about wallpapers and light dm [18:55] ah good :) [18:56] yofel: so more solid grey? [18:56] Riddell: same as we have in plymouth [18:56] * Quintasan always wanted to *DM and splash to take users wallpaper [18:56] i.e. the "proper" ariya boot experience as intended by the mighty oxygen overlords [18:56] as apachelogger said (without stripes) [18:56] #action make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger [18:56] ACTION: make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger [18:56] you canyou can't do that. [18:56] *you can't do that. [18:56] login manager has more than one user [18:56] d__ed: Unfortunately. [18:56] therefore not possible [18:57] also, plasma wallpaper is [18:57] 1) not always an image [18:57] 2) different per screen [18:57] 3) different per activity [18:57] d__ed: can't so what? [18:57] oh [18:57] sorry, I've misread two sentences [18:57] you can't make the lightdm background match the users [18:58] obviously you can make lightdm + ksplash have the same default. [18:58] and that'd be awesome [18:58] (technically you can make them match given the constraints are met :P) [18:58] and the pre-X splash [18:58] do we have a new background? [18:59] a special Kubuntu one? [18:59] FWIW, LightDM-KDE right now default to whatever the plasma default one is. [18:59] d__ed: more like, new plymouth screen [18:59] technically you can keep them all synced up as long as there is only one screen and the plasma background is an image ;) [18:59] apachelogger gave ksplash and plymouth a grey background without stripes last time [18:59] s/screen/splash/ [18:59] so... [18:59] apachelogger: you say that was what oxygen dudes wanted? [18:59] totally worth trying lightdm for this release, it seems table enough [18:59] I am not particularly fond of the splash(es) [19:00] *stable even [19:00] Riddell: aye [19:00] the stripes were only intended for the desktop [19:00] as otherwise it had missed drama (i.e. it would have been too dull to look at over long period of time) [19:01] got to have some drama in free software [19:01] indeed [19:02] :) last release some artist made some sexy Kubuntu backgrounds [19:02] the blue ones [19:02] which I only saw after release. [19:02] d__ed: someone within blue systems but I still don't know who [19:02] ^ [19:02] mysterious lot them [19:02] I still have the wallpapers if someone wants them [19:02] could we ask to get some for this release? [19:02] yeah that would be good [19:02] * shadeslayer would like some nice Kubuntu wallpapers on the ISO [19:03] worth asking anyway (IMHO) [19:03] *calligra* [19:03] #action find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell [19:03] ACTION: find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell [19:04] Calligra Suite - time to give it a chance or stay with the old? [19:04] I'm still all for it, it works pleasingly well and it gives us more apps on the CD like krita [19:04] and it fits in with my KDE idealism [19:04] https://plus.google.com/u/0/107577785796696065138/posts/K36rbyfXBSa [19:04] I've done some documented editing on words, still a bit quirky, but good enough [19:05] well, one option is to not go for the whole thing, if CD space is no longer an issue [19:05]