[00:00] <silverarrow> opens browser and discovers it is possible to open gnome mplay by double finger clicking on black totem window
[00:00] <silverarrow> sorry, I don`t know what the sytem does if it doesn`t tell me
[00:07] <silverarrow> hey,  why is the daily iso too large for cd?
[00:42] <silverarrow> ubuntu wil not boot at all
[00:47] <silverarrow> I think ubuntu should boot though?
[00:47] <silverarrow> what are minimal specs for ubuntu?
[00:48] <silverarrow> 1GHz cpu 1GB RAM ?
[00:51] <silverarrow> that is mee on xchat
[00:57] <taoseeker> there is no way about the graphics xorg bug in Ubuntu for ppc?
[00:58] <taoseeker> and not fixed for the daily build
[00:58] <taoseeker> no live desktop environment
[01:00] <taoseeker> I should be able to run ubuntu on the ibook
[01:00] <taoseeker> fine
[01:00] <taoseeker> maybe not as snappy as lubuntu but should run
[01:00] <taoseeker> who is testing for ubuntu and ppc?
[01:07] <silverarrow> where is the xorg bugreport again?
[01:23] <silverarrow>  there is definitely a bug with latest Ubuntu daily ppc i
[01:23] <silverarrow> xorg, graphics something
[01:26] <kanliot> lol i was searching for pcp
[01:27] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1046951
[01:27] <kanliot> and
[01:27] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1046619
[01:28] <kanliot> silverarrow please join the lubuntu-qa mailing list
[01:28] <kanliot> just  suggestion
[01:32] <silverarrow> I`m on it
[01:33] <silverarrow> I`m about to check my email
[02:33] <taoseeker> unfortunately no improvement on the daily build
[02:33] <taoseeker> xorg or installer do not work
[02:33] <taoseeker> I lean towards xorg too now
[05:13] <kanliot> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-September/035887.html
[05:13] <kanliot> ^ we might be having grub 2.0 put into Ubuntu for 12.10
[05:13]  * kanliot can't figure out why
[09:57] <silverarrow> hi
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Hi silverarrow
[09:58] <silverarrow> have you manged any testing lately?
[09:59] <smartboyhw> silverarrow: No been busying after Beta 1 on writing documentations and accomplishments and Ubuntu GNOME remix
[10:00] <silverarrow> sounds like a lot
[10:00] <silverarrow> I still struggle booting the dailys even
[10:00] <silverarrow> non of the regular fixes work
[10:01] <silverarrow> might be xorg resisting cooperationj
[10:23] <silverarrow> are there any news on the latest updates and dailies?
[10:23] <smartboyhw> silverarrow: What news? I don't understanf
[10:24] <silverarrow> I think most of installer fix for ppc
[10:24] <silverarrow> which might be major xorg work
[10:44] <silverarrow> as long as it isn't a silverback
[10:44] <smartboyhw> lol
[11:00] <smartboyhw> kanliot: You here?
[14:34] <davmor2> balloons: is it just me or when using the Nouveau driver is the highlight around buttons God awful
[14:41] <balloons> davmor2, not sure anymore
[14:41] <balloons> I'm using the open amd drivers this cycle
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Yep amd drivers here also
[14:42] <balloons> I did use nouveau last cycle.. I don't remember that issue.. For me, the nouveau driver was SO much nicer for the desktop than nvidia at the time
[14:42] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:42] <balloons> vterm switching took forever
[14:43] <balloons> no 3d though of course :-)
[14:45] <davmor2> balloons: I'll take some screenshots another time but I need the nvidia binaries in place for testing the CA apps currently
[14:48] <balloons> ahh
[15:33] <phillw> balloons: ping
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Oh oh
[15:42] <balloons> phillw, pong
[15:42]  * smartboyhw watches the conversation carefully
[15:43] <phillw> balloons: Dave replied back re: new grub, apart from also expressing suprise at not being informed, he is happy to help out if someone cares to give him a poke. drstalk@gmail.com (or drs305 on the ubuntu forum).
[15:45] <smartboyhw> I like the new grub
[15:45] <balloons> phillw, did you send him colin's request?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Well what happened to drs305?
[15:46] <phillw> I can forward the one from you?
[15:47] <balloons> phillw, yes please
[15:47] <balloons> cc me also if you don't mind.. So I have an intro
[15:47] <balloons> and then I'll say hello as well
[15:47] <smartboyhw> cc me too please:)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> I want to have a look at it:)
[15:48] <balloons> lol
[15:48] <balloons> you want to test grub smartboyhw?
[15:48] <balloons> are you comfortable recovering your broken system?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> balloons: I already installed grub2
[15:48] <smartboyhw> And it's fine now:)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Fast too
[15:48] <balloons> do you know how to recover your system if it didn't work?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Yes:)
[15:49] <balloons> smartboyhw, ahh then, well, your all set
[15:49] <smartboyhw> I did take a look at the recover guides;)
[15:49] <phillw> email sent.
[15:49] <smartboyhw> OK got it
[15:49] <smartboyhw> Ah it is actually that one
[15:49] <smartboyhw> i received it in lubuntu-qa list
[15:51] <phillw> smartboyhw: yup, I cc'd the guys there asking for volunteers :)
[15:53] <balloons> smartboyhw, yep.. did you report to colin?
[15:57] <smartboyhw> ;D
[15:57] <smartboyhw> No I didn't
[16:17]  * balloons is having fun with moinmoin wiki again
[16:23] <balloons> fixed the silliness on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[18:48] <balloons> is anyone about who's running quantal?
[18:49] <balloons> I have a request to confirm a rather bizarre bug.. Should take about 5 mins of your time.. And no kittens should be harmed :-)
[18:57] <elfy> if it's not ubuntu specific then shout balloons
[18:57] <balloons> elfy, no it's not
[18:57] <elfy> then what is it :)
[18:57] <balloons> elfy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12236850#post12236850
[18:57] <balloons> read my first and third posts.. basically, taking a screenshot after running a wine program doesn't work
[18:58] <balloons> the screenshot will show the older screenshot
[18:58] <balloons> recording your screen after running wine via kazaam or ffmpeg is the same
[18:58] <balloons> you only get the single still image from the first screenshot you took before running the wine program
[18:58] <balloons> it's really odd
[18:58] <elfy> mmm - so I'd have to pollute my xubuntu experience with wine and some ms app
[18:59] <balloons> mm.. you would have to install wine
[18:59] <balloons> but you could run the built in notepad
[18:59] <balloons> sorry elfy ;-)
[18:59] <elfy> oh ok
[18:59] <balloons> no wories if you'd rather not
[18:59] <elfy> After this operation, 526 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[18:59] <elfy> wut !!!
[19:00] <balloons> whoa
[19:00] <elfy> After this operation, 263 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[19:00] <elfy> with no-install-recommends ...
[19:00] <elfy> I think I'd rather not lol
[19:01] <elfy> don't remember wine wanting to do that before
[19:03] <elfy> that is a lot of stuff to get wine - http://pastebin.com/Q8rn95dr
[19:03] <balloons> wow.. I'd agree
[19:03] <balloons> I normally keep myself wine free, but I was messing around the other day with an app I guess
[19:04] <balloons> trying to recreate the problem and thinking what on earth left me snapshotted in time, I thought about the wine program.. and boom, sure enough
[19:10] <elfy> certainly a strange one
[19:11] <elfy> so - all in all might be best to get someone with wine already - but if you can't then I'll do it in a test setup over weekend when I do some daily tests
[19:13] <elfy> balloons: hang on - I'll boot my ubuntu test and do it in there
[19:18] <elfy> balloons: ok - it's installing now
[20:03] <phillw> balloons: is grub 2 on ALL spins across all flavours and architectures as of today?
[20:03] <balloons> phillw, no
[20:03] <balloons> it's nowhere as of yet
[20:04] <phillw> I'm sure i saw that hit QQ today, from somehwere?
[20:04] <balloons> yes.. but not the images to my knowledge
[20:04] <balloons> it came in late in the day
[20:04] <balloons> it should be there tomorrow
[20:04] <phillw> balloons: so it will be on EVERYTHING tomorrow respin?
[20:06] <balloons> assuming all the packages build.. for instance.. ppc failed
[20:06] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2
[20:06] <phillw> ARM / PPC/ AMD-MAC / i686 / AMD64 / Server etc. etc.  ubuntu / kubuntu / lubuntu etc....
[20:07] <balloons> amd64, i386, ppc
[20:07] <balloons> all flavours
[20:07] <balloons> no arm.. grub-efi isn't cahanging
[20:08] <balloons> we'd have to ask cjwatson for specifics
[20:09] <phillw> balloons: just thinking that it may be nice to ask elfy to put a sticky onto http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=416 so they all know what is going on (I'd suggest also that you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2056701 ) And also issue an email to the 'main' QA and L-QA with details from Colin, you know... just so the testers have a slight idea of such a massive change? :P
[20:09] <wxl> wish i could get stupid usb install working for ppc cuz i have another machine to play with potentially
[20:09] <wxl> (ppc)
[20:10] <balloons> :-)
[20:10] <balloons> phillw, yes, bien sir
[20:10] <balloons> the sticky on the forums isn't a bad idea actually
[20:10] <elfy> balloons phillw: someone write it and I'll sticky it
[20:10] <balloons> I'll be putting it on the anounce of the tracker
[20:11] <phillw> wxl: the last person I knew who had it working was Lars, but he has already said that he has pretty much given up & uses dvd-RW now. I know that this is of no use to you guys with a cd reader and not a dvd reader in your ppc :(
[20:12] <wxl> phillw: well my big issue is probably more laziness and cheapskateness more than anything. i need to get a cdrw
[20:12] <elfy> or cariboo will phillw balloons
[20:12] <phillw> balloons: one thing I have learned is that testers do not like being treated as mushrooms :D
[20:13] <balloons> who does? :-)
[20:13] <balloons> I wasn't expecting it to go in until next week
[20:13] <wxl> maybe if they're really tasty mushrooms
[20:13] <phillw> wxl: this one is... a totally new grub that can screw your system :P
[20:14] <phillw> the forum guys have already picked up on it :)
[20:15] <phillw> wxl: how did you dd to the usb ?
[20:15] <phillw> brb... nicotine enhancement needed
[20:16] <wxl> dd if=whatever-it's-called.iso of=/dev/whereever-the-usb-is
[20:16] <wxl> kind of can't screw up dd
[20:16] <wxl> ↑ phillw
[20:17] <elfy> balloons: if there is a thread that needs stickying then PM me on forum - but I'm off now
[20:17] <balloons> elfy, cheers
[20:17] <balloons> I will ty
[20:20] <phillw> wxl: have you tried with setting the bs ?
[20:20] <wxl> phillw: hm?
[20:21] <phillw> back in the dim and distant past, before lubuntu had a self check, we used a bs of 2048 when reading the cd.
[20:21] <phillw> wxl: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=94
[20:21] <phillw> that is my old archive area that held stuff before we were adopted :)
[20:22] <wxl> not sure that's relevant to usb tho, da?
[20:23] <phillw> wxl: as it was piping output, there would have been  a reason for it. Although it may have been that reading a CD 1 byte at a time was excrutialiting slow. just an idea to try, as it did get md5sum to be happy.
[20:24] <phillw> calculating the count is an easy sum to do,
[20:25] <wxl> whoa improvements to virtualbox for you non-qemu users http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/virtualbox-420-released-with-support.html
[20:25] <wxl> anywho i didn't check the md5 so i guess i should start there but i have had probelms with usb in the past. i want it to work so darn bad. i should just give it up.
[20:26] <phillw> wxl: checking the md5 is always one of the easiest things to forget :)
[20:26] <wxl> like i said i didn't forget it XD
[20:27] <phillw> wxl: as elfy said earlier .... take a tip from an old man - you didn't forget - you forgot to remember
[20:27] <phillw> I love that statement :D
[20:29] <wxl> well, i chose to forget. :)
[20:31] <phillw> nice about VirtualBox, I have the choice of that and kvm on piglet. Main server runs kvm, but my slow internet link means setting up VM's on a fast system are negated as I only have ~ 512 kb/s link :( One of the guys on a good link says that whilst he knows he is on a remote system, the graphical stuff runs with little lag..... Damn, to have a decent b/band link :'(
[20:32] <wxl> i've had happiness with headless vboxes and in general been really pleased
[20:34] <phillw> wxl: the sii server runs a couple of VM's for F/OSS teams, they are delighted with them. If anyone from L-QA wants a ppc VM set up I will happily do it (I even have one spare ipV4 address at present).
[20:35] <phillw> I bought a few, as they are getting rarer than hens teeth :D
[20:35] <wxl> hmmmmmm sounds like a good idea although esp with ppc it seems nothing beats real hardware
[20:36] <phillw> wxl: this seems to be the case with the latest bugs :(
[20:36] <wxl> maybe vbox offers better options for virtualizing display
[20:37] <wxl> not sure if it even supports ppc
[20:37] <wxl> never tried
[20:37] <phillw> does vbox support quemu ?
[20:38] <phillw> as in, the instructions Julien posted up on the ppc area?
[20:38] <wxl> not sure
[20:40] <phillw> one way to find out :P  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64#How_to_test_on_any_architectures_.28using_qemu.29
[20:43] <phillw> virtual box is not an emulator ... quite clear
[20:49] <wxl> sudo wget 'https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MATLAB?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=matlab-r2011a.desktop' -O /usr/local/share/applications/matlab.desktop
[20:49] <wxl> oops
[20:49] <wxl> sorry wrong channel
[20:50] <phillw> wxl: no worries, it happens to us all :D
[20:53] <xnox> Hmmm...
[20:53] <xnox> wxl: use python-scipy or scilab
[20:54] <xnox> wxl: faster, better graphics and better integration with e.g. LaTeX
[23:37] <wxl> so in my desperate attempt to get my 12.04 ppc updated to quantal i tried a sudo do-release-upgrade -d and it told me no new version found. any ideas what the deal is?
[23:38] <wxl> honestly i don't know how it works; if it's looking for alphas, betas, rcs, dailies, or any of the above. i'm thinking that the fact that the beta1 failed and/or that recent daily builds are failing may be why??
[23:56] <wxl> is dd if=/dev/usb bs=2048 count=(iso size/2048) | md5sum not a realiable way to get md5sum on a usb drive? i dd'd the iso over there and the iso matches with published values.