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| AlanBell | morning all | 06:54 |
| pinky- | good morning to you too | 06:57 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:10 |
| christel | morning lovelies | 07:26 |
| MartijnVdS | \o christel | 07:27 |
| MartijnVdS | how's you | 07:27 |
| christel | MartijnVdS :D | 07:27 |
| christel | i am well! bit sleepy, happily slept through the alarm this morning and ended up with a rather stressful start to the day! | 07:28 |
| * MartijnVdS is on his first cup o'tea | 07:29 | |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :-D | 08:15 |
| MartijnVdS | \o JamesTait | 08:15 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS: o/ | 08:16 |
| MartijnVdS | dear compiz/unity.. please stop half-maximizing my terminal | 08:17 |
| AlanBell | anyone else find unity randomly flicks to mirrored displays after logging in? | 08:18 |
| MartijnVdS | (I've already used ccsm to disable the bottom corners for "half screen" resize) | 08:18 |
| * MartijnVdS has no mirrored display to test | 08:18 | |
| AlanBell | so you get a useful dual display at different resolutions for a minute or so, then suddenly it goes to the lowest common denominator | 08:18 |
| AlanBell | and mirrors, which is almost entirely useless | 08:19 |
| daubers | diplo: hello | 08:21 |
| diplo | Hi daubers | 08:28 |
| diplo | Sorry was making a cuppa and nattering :) | 08:29 |
| daubers | diplo: You where after me yesterday? | 08:29 |
| diplo | I was just wondering if you would care to share how you utilised bitfolks spamassasin setup ? Googled it las tnight and your blog post was a result :) | 08:29 |
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| diplo | Just set up my mail server last night and was going to add spamassasin check | 08:30 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:46 |
| brobostigon | good morning eveyrone. | 08:47 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:48 |
| brobostigon | good morning bigcalm :) | 08:49 |
| bigcalm | Hi brobostigon :) | 08:49 |
| bigcalm | Once again I am turning up the volume on my drum & bass so that it drowns out the screaming tantrums coming from next door's child | 08:50 |
| daubers | diplo: Ah... I don't anymore :) | 08:53 |
| daubers | diplo: got fedup of running my own mailserver and updates nerfing the config everytime | 08:53 |
| pinky- | bigcalm maybe it's your drum and bass making the child nextdoor scream? :) | 08:54 |
| bigcalm | pinky-: not unless the child is wearing my headphones | 08:54 |
| christel | whyfor they tantrum so much? | 08:55 |
| diplo | no worries daubers | 08:55 |
| bigcalm | christel: maybe because they don't get the attention they used to | 08:56 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: you know that may not be helping to calm the situation next door right | 09:00 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: ? | 09:00 |
| czajkowski | the noise | 09:01 |
| bigcalm | What noise? | 09:01 |
| pinky- | they say binge drinking parents affect 1 in 3 children in the UK | 09:01 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: I'm wearing headphones | 09:01 |
| czajkowski | ah k does the speaker still not vibrate a bit ? | 09:01 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: what speaker? | 09:02 |
| bigcalm | I'm rather confused | 09:02 |
| czajkowski | ok nm | 09:02 |
| czajkowski | lets drop it | 09:02 |
| bigcalm | :) | 09:02 |
| mattt | haha | 09:04 |
| daubers | stupid chroot | 09:05 |
| daubers | chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory | 09:06 |
| daubers | thats annoying | 09:06 |
| daubers | IT DOES EXIST DAMN YOU | 09:06 |
| mattt | maybe it's linked to something that doesn't exist? | 09:08 |
| christel | bigcalm: why did they stop getting the attention they used to? did you use to entertain them? :P | 09:08 |
| mattt | (ldd /bin/bash ?) | 09:08 |
| daubers | all seems to exist | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | christel: o.O | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | christel: they moved in last week. It's been tantrums ever since. Children suck | 09:09 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: no they don't not at all, you're just rather anti them | 09:09 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: it's the noise. I'm happy not to have to deal with them | 09:09 |
| czajkowski | I'm sur ethey could think the same about you | 09:10 |
| bigcalm | I'm not anti them, just glad I'm not required to continue human existence ;) | 09:10 |
| daubers | so apparently bash shouldn't be working on the host os as linux-vdso.so.1 is a myth | 09:11 |
| pinky- | I would just try to ignore them and hoped one day they might just go away | 09:11 |
| pinky- | distruptive families have a habit of moving a lot | 09:11 |
| czajkowski | ye have no idea whats going n ther | 09:12 |
| czajkowski | *e | 09:12 |
| czajkowski | perhaps the poor kid is upset at the move and isn't used to their area | 09:12 |
| czajkowski | give the kid a break bigcalm | 09:12 |
| pinky- | maybe | 09:12 |
| czajkowski | move is stressful on adults can be hard for kids too | 09:12 |
| bigcalm | My turning up my music is me ignoring them | 09:13 |
| christel | bigcalm: aaah moving is a bit unsettling | 09:13 |
| pinky- | yeah I agree, now you mention it | 09:13 |
| christel | i have massive tantrums whenever i move | 09:13 |
| christel | :D | 09:13 |
| bigcalm | :D | 09:13 |
| christel | im not even jesting :) | 09:15 |
| mungojerry | if you drew a graph of tantrums during life, it would peak at age 2, unles you are an actor where it remains constat afterwards too | 09:16 |
| christel | the boy wonder was much calmer about the whole moving thing than i was | 09:16 |
| christel | he was just all "HEY THIS IS MY NEW HOUSE, AWESOME *RUN RUN RUN*" | 09:16 |
| christel | i am waiting for tantrum-hell | 09:17 |
| christel | i can count the ones he's had thus far on one hand and fear for the day where it becomes more frequent :x | 09:17 |
| daubers | urgh... loads of softlinks missing | 09:19 |
| christel | (which if mungojerry is correct should be soon!) | 09:20 |
| mungojerry | had about 10 yesterday | 09:24 |
| Laney | the terrible twos! | 09:24 |
| pinky- | then trublesum threes | 09:24 |
| Laney | feisty fours? | 09:25 |
| christel | hehe | 09:27 |
| christel | mungojerry: when abouts do they tend to start proper? what age? :) | 09:27 |
| mungojerry | 2 | 09:27 |
| christel | the boy has 5 months left before he's 3! we've had maybe 3 tantrums in total so far, will it suddenly pick up ? :) | 09:28 |
| mungojerry | wow, strange | 09:28 |
| mungojerry | as soon as cnadles were lit, boom | 09:28 |
| christel | haha | 09:29 |
| mungojerry | they push all the way, making irrational requests | 09:29 |
| czajkowski | aunt has a almost 3 year old, her twos were full of tantrums, the aunt would just leave her and walk away and she learnt very fast they wouldnt be tolerated | 09:30 |
| popey | we had a tiny bit of "terrible twos" | 09:31 |
| popey | but not much | 09:31 |
| bigcalm | popey: did Sam have fewer or more tantrums because of having an older sister? | 09:32 |
| bigcalm | Oh | 09:33 |
| bigcalm | popey: did Sam have fewer or more tantrums because of having an older sister? | 09:34 |
| popey | no, sam had more than sophie | 09:35 |
| bigcalm | (compared to Sophie) | 09:35 |
| popey | but still not loads | 09:35 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 09:35 |
| bigcalm | Maybe boys have more? Who knows | 09:35 |
| mungojerry | my boy is quite spirited | 09:36 |
| mungojerry | like his parents | 09:36 |
| bigcalm | Every time I've driving my car this week, there has been at least one diversion. Different each time. I won't if my car is cursed | 09:36 |
| mungojerry | and we don't give in | 09:36 |
| christel | i guess part of the reason why we have very few (so far) is that it is just him so he has all the attention, all of the time | 09:36 |
| popey | i was watching a ben goldacre clip on the bbc website the other day.. sam was in the room sat on the floor playing, heard a bit in the programme about god.. | 09:37 |
| mungojerry | well he tried walking down stiars yesterday in a way that would have proabably killed him, so either he does it properly or somethings gonna happen | 09:37 |
| popey | "hey, daddy, you don't believe in god do you?", "no", "Me and mummy and sophie do", "Really? Interesting. What do you think god is?", "Uhhhhhh" | 09:37 |
| christel | <3 sam | 09:37 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 09:37 |
| christel | he is so cute | 09:38 |
| mungojerry | going to church is my boy's highlight of the week, he loves it. me too actually | 09:38 |
| christel | i am rubbish at talking with kids but i like sam and sophie, they can hold proper conversations! | 09:39 |
| popey | I dont think sam and sophie have been to church other than other peoples wedding/christenings | 09:40 |
| mungojerry | my boy said yesterday, "when i am a big man i can grow beard and open front door" | 09:40 |
| czajkowski | christel: aye popey kids are very cute and sooo polite | 09:42 |
| christel | czajkowski: yah! i like them, they are funny :D | 09:42 |
| popey | the school helps a lot there | 09:42 |
| popey | little things like they have to shake hands with the teacher at the end of every day | 09:43 |
| czajkowski | oh nice | 09:43 |
| czajkowski | very nice | 09:43 |
| popey | i met some random person in a pub, a while back at a party, she was ~15, and she introduced herself to me, and put her hand out to shake | 09:43 |
| popey | she went to the same school :) | 09:43 |
| czajkowski | anyone want to earn karma - https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/208450 | 09:43 |
| czajkowski | popey: nice | 09:44 |
| popey | little things like that are great for their confidence | 09:44 |
| czajkowski | it's true though, the manners we pick up as children can and do define you growing up | 09:44 |
| christel | nice | 09:44 |
| popey | when in pubs we always get the kids to order their own food and when waiters ask how it was we get them to tell the waiter :) | 09:44 |
| mungojerry | i was in the dentist at age 25 and got out of the chair to swill my mouth out | 09:45 |
| mungojerry | the dentist laughed his head off | 09:45 |
| popey | heh | 09:45 |
| mungojerry | he told me thats what children do because they can't reach | 09:45 |
| mungojerry | i'd learned that behaviiour but didn't know why | 09:45 |
| czajkowski | heh | 09:46 |
| bigcalm | USB TTL thingy just came in the post. Do I work or spend the day trying to fix my WNDR3800? Ah, forgot I don't have the right screw driver though :| | 09:48 |
| popey | bigcalm, my mate has boxed up the wndr3700, want me to get him to ship it direct to you? | 09:48 |
| bigcalm | popey: Unless he's a long distance from you, I could pick it up next week? | 09:49 |
| popey | he's in newbury | 09:49 |
| popey | lemme see how we can get it from hom | 09:49 |
| popey | *him | 09:49 |
| * bigcalm goes to find out where newbury is | 09:50 | |
| bigcalm | Oh, I see. I could pick it up on of the days I'm down | 09:51 |
| popey | my mate works in uxbridge, which you might be able to pass on the way out | 09:52 |
| popey | when are you down? | 09:52 |
| popey | and when are you going back, and driving or train? | 09:52 |
| bigcalm | popey: Thursday to Sunday | 09:52 |
| bigcalm | Driving | 09:52 |
| popey | i might be able to get it next friday | 09:52 |
| popey | lemme think | 09:53 |
| bigcalm | !ping | 09:58 |
| lubotu3 | another contentless ping... sigh... | 09:58 |
| * bigcalm kicks argos.com | 09:58 | |
| christel | JamesTait \o/ | 09:59 |
| JamesTait | christel: Hello dahling! | 09:59 |
| christel | how art thou? :P) | 10:00 |
| JamesTait | christel: Cold. :( | 10:00 |
| JamesTait | So making myself feel better with a cup of hot rooibos and a chocolate chip muffin. | 10:00 |
| christel | aww | 10:01 |
| christel | oo muffin | 10:01 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:04 |
| JamesTait | davmor2: o/ | 10:04 |
| christel | davmor2: did you bring me a muffin? :) | 10:04 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: morning and belated happy birthday | 10:05 |
| JamesTait | THank you davmor2. :) | 10:06 |
| JamesTait | I'm now closer to 40 than 30. | 10:06 |
| bigcalm | My laptop's update manager is really struggling to up date its cache :( | 10:09 |
| davmor2 | christel: no but I tell you what next time I'm down soowwwwffff or your up here, I'll take time out to give you a muffin or an eclair or a Doughnut hmmmmm doughnut | 10:09 |
| bigcalm | Morning davmor2 | 10:10 |
| davmor2 | morning bigcalm | 10:10 |
| mungojerry | bigcalm, i get that a lot on systems with mutiple DEs installed | 10:13 |
| mungojerry | yesterday popcon shagged my machine for a while | 10:13 |
| mungojerry | but usually it's apt-xapian-index | 10:13 |
| bigcalm | I get the feeling that my DNS is buggered (even though I'm using Google) | 10:14 |
| bigcalm | Is http://www.diy.com/ (B & Q) full of broken images for anybody else? | 10:14 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: looks fine here dude | 10:17 |
| bigcalm | Tis me then | 10:18 |
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| bigcalm | o.O | 10:18 |
| popey | waiting for diy.com.... | 10:18 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: try a different browser | 10:18 |
| popey | loaded in the end | 10:19 |
| davmor2 | grisial: what the???? | 10:19 |
| grisial | davmor2: now also available in welsh! | 10:20 |
| gord | i'm just dubbed in welsh | 10:21 |
| czajkowski | gord: ello | 10:21 |
| gord | hiho | 10:23 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod, prod, proddington, prodly proddington-smythe, hello :) Have a hug I feel like scaring you :) | 10:25 |
| czajkowski | bleugh | 10:25 |
| pinky- | I've currently got the 'not sure what to do' vibe | 10:56 |
| pinky- | bored | 10:56 |
| popey | I can help you fix that | 10:56 |
| pinky- | any suggestions? | 10:56 |
| bigcalm | Know any python? ;) | 10:56 |
| popey | http://popey.me/Q4SAVs | 10:57 |
| popey | http://popey.me/SZi1Ik | 10:58 |
| popey | click those, find bugs, fix :) | 10:58 |
| pinky- | me clicks | 10:58 |
| pinky- | damn there's a lot | 10:59 |
| popey | sorted by heat order | 11:00 |
| popey | i.e. most affected users at the top | 11:00 |
| mungojerry | how much clearance should there be in an office walkway next to a fire escape? | 11:00 |
| bigcalm | More than none? | 11:01 |
| daubers | mungojerry: Can you run down the middle while screaming in panic waving your arms in the air? | 11:01 |
| mungojerry | daubers, i might, but the printer somebody has placed there might get knocked over | 11:01 |
| bigcalm | mungojerry: do so to prove the point | 11:02 |
| daubers | mungojerry: start a fire and try it? | 11:02 |
| bigcalm | Cat swinging is also a useful guide | 11:02 |
| diplo | mungojerry: Big company ? | 11:02 |
| mungojerry | yes | 11:02 |
| mungojerry | i want to move the printer but i need justification | 11:03 |
| mungojerry | people come and talk right by my desk | 11:03 |
| mungojerry | but it is next to a fire escape on a dodgy ikea table | 11:03 |
| daubers | mungojerry: set fire to the ptiner? | 11:03 |
| mungojerry | that is too small for it | 11:03 |
| daubers | urgh | 11:03 |
| daubers | s/ptiner/printer | 11:03 |
| diplo | Ask the H&S person to do a assesment :) I used to have to do them all the time :/ | 11:03 |
| mungojerry | if they say no, then i miht be stuck with it | 11:04 |
| mungojerry | i might just move it and people will assume if was H&S | 11:04 |
| diplo | heh, risk assessment was the work i was looking for | 11:04 |
| diplo | http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/riskassess.htm | 11:05 |
| ali1234 | what's the deal with bug 346386? the original report has a patch, it's marked fix released, yet there are duplicate bugs constantly since the original report and people still reporting it | 11:06 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 346386 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "[MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346386 | 11:06 |
| mattt | pinky-: http://www.udacity.com/ | 11:08 |
| * pinky- clicks | 11:10 | |
| mungojerry | running iotop -b -o is quite enlightening.. | 11:16 |
| pinky- | I'm now sat eating lunch whilst watching python videos and not so bored - thanks! | 11:38 |
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| * bigcalm hugs christel | 12:13 | |
| popey | heh, i just got a global notice in thunderbird from christel | 12:13 |
| popey | i forgot that i connected it to freenode | 12:13 |
| popey | must have been connecting every day for some weeks | 12:13 |
| christel | haha | 12:13 |
| christel | someone told us off for the global "not just saying that you were being ddosed" i dare say it did say that, just in christelese | 12:14 |
| * Laney tickles popey_tb | 12:14 | |
| popey_tb | hehe | 12:14 |
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| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| bigcalm | I still don't see the point of irc via an email client, but that's just me | 12:23 |
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| === Monster_Killer is now known as MonsterKiller | ||
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| DJones | bigcalm: +1 to that, but I guess its no different to irc via pidgeon or a web interface, if it suits people , they'll go with it | 12:25 |
| mungojerry | can someone run " sudo iotop -b -o | grep jbd" and let me know the average % | 12:29 |
| mungojerry | (non invasive command) | 12:29 |
| Laney | people should be suspicious when you ask them to run random commands, especially ones with sudo in | 12:30 |
| Laney | you probably want to explain what it is | 12:30 |
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| DJones | mungojerry: http://privatepaste.com/62cabc7b51 | 12:32 |
| BigRedS | mungojerry: https://gist.github.com/3714038 | 12:35 |
| mungojerry | it outputs the % age of i/o taken by the journaling process | 12:40 |
| mungojerry | thanks chaps. on a quiet system mine is quite busy | 12:41 |
| mungojerry | looks a bit like BigRedS results | 12:42 |
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| mungojerry | how does unity do the printer config? i get bug 871985 | 13:40 |
| czajkowski | bug #871985 | 13:42 |
| czajkowski | bah bot | 13:42 |
| daubers | bah bah botsheep ? | 13:43 |
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| lubotu3` | Launchpad bug 871985 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "The printing panel shouldn't display errors about firewalld not running" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871985 | 13:45 |
| mungojerry | not a low bug IMO, however not sure if it affects unity users | 13:47 |
| AlanBell | for my user I have a unity laucher on every monitor whether I want it or not, however in a guest session I can choose which monitor it goes on and it actually does go there | 13:56 |
| AlanBell | any idea what I should be cleaning out to get my profile working right? | 13:56 |
| Kami | I just edited a file with root priviledges but I get error message: " Error opening file /etc .../default: permission denied - the file on disk may now be truncated" - any idea why ? | 14:17 |
| Kami | 2nd question: instead of using gnu nano 2.2.6 as editor, I want to use geany as standard code editor, is there a way to set that it as default ? | 14:21 |
| MartijnVdS | Kami: how did you edit the file? | 14:21 |
| Kami | mart - in gnu nano 2.2.6, I made the changes, I am trying to save them. | 14:22 |
| MartijnVdS | the exact command please :) | 14:22 |
| Kami | mart - I don't understand the question. The file opened and I modified it. | 14:22 |
| MartijnVdS | yes | 14:23 |
| MartijnVdS | how did you open the file? | 14:23 |
| MartijnVdS | I assume you typed something in a terminal window.. | 14:23 |
| MartijnVdS | what did you type? :) | 14:23 |
| Kami | sudo nano /etc/apache2/site-available/default - my password here | 14:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Kami: so you put your password on the same line as sudo? | 14:24 |
| MartijnVdS | or did you do: | 14:24 |
| MartijnVdS | sudo nano /etc/apache2/site-available/default | 14:24 |
| MartijnVdS | and then it asked for your password and you entered it | 14:24 |
| MartijnVdS | You made a typo in the file name -- it's "sites-available" (plural "sites"), hence you're editing a non-existent file | 14:24 |
| MartijnVdS | which shows up empty in the editor | 14:24 |
| Kami | M - right about the typo, I got the second option where I was asked for my password on another line | 14:26 |
| Kami | as I said, I just want to save the modifications and use geany as default as opposed to gnu nano 2.2.6 | 14:26 |
| MartijnVdS | good :) you should never have to type your password on a command line | 14:26 |
| MartijnVdS | you could use 'sudo geany /etc/apache2/etc.etc.' | 14:27 |
| MartijnVdS | instead of 'sudo nano' | 14:27 |
| diplo | shouldn't you use gksudo ? ? | 14:28 |
| AlanBell | no | 14:28 |
| diplo | I rarely use gui apps now a days | 14:28 |
| AlanBell | nano isn't a gui app so sudo is fine | 14:28 |
| MartijnVdS | I use a web browser and terminals :) | 14:28 |
| MartijnVdS | and rhythmbox | 14:28 |
| Kami | m - ok thanks. Why am I not able to save the file ? | 14:28 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: bug geany might be | 14:28 |
| diplo | No he wants for Geany AlanBell | 14:28 |
| AlanBell | ah, ok | 14:28 |
| MartijnVdS | Kami: because the directory /etc/apache2/site-available does not exist, you have to save in a directory that exists | 14:29 |
| Kami | M - I have the file in front of me - with the right content - so shouldn't I be able to save the changes ? | 14:30 |
| BigRedS | you can, but not into a directory that doesn't exist | 14:30 |
| AlanBell | the bit I find curious is that "The file on disk may now be truncated!" is a geany error message, not a nano one | 14:31 |
| Kami | wow ... so even though a directory does not exist, it opens a file inside that dir with the exact same content as a file in another directory ? | 14:32 |
| AlanBell | in nano you just get no write permission turning up at the bottom just above the menu | 14:32 |
| AlanBell | Kami: no, it should be fine | 14:32 |
| AlanBell | [ Read 36 lines (Warning: No write permission) ] is what you should see in nano if you open the file without sudo access | 14:33 |
| AlanBell | and it should be able to save it if you do have sudo access | 14:33 |
| MartijnVdS | ah | 14:33 |
| AlanBell | is the directory mounted in a strange way? | 14:34 |
| MartijnVdS | so Kami isn't telling us the whole story :) | 14:34 |
| AlanBell | like it is mounted over sshfs or something? | 14:34 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: I think he might have opened the file in geany (without sudo) | 14:34 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: if you say that's a geany error... | 14:34 |
| Kami | M - I did not create the directory and I did not create the file. It's def a geany problem since I don't know the gnu command to save modifications of a file | 14:35 |
| AlanBell | right, so go to the directory and do gksudo geany default | 14:35 |
| AlanBell | and it will work, if you don't start geany with root permissions you will get that error, which is a complete lie, nothing will be truncated | 14:36 |
| AlanBell | but that error is in the geany source code | 14:36 |
| Kami | I am sorry, I am a newbie, I will start from scratch, type sudo geany /etc/apache2/etc.etc.' - edit the file and try to save it. Does that make sense ? | 14:38 |
| AlanBell | gksudo geany /etc/apache2/sites-available/default | 14:38 |
| AlanBell | that will work | 14:38 |
| AlanBell | sudo will also work but gksudo pops up a nice window for the password and apparently prevents some problem that I have never encountered | 14:39 |
| Kami | you are right - it works - thanks very much - appreciated | 14:41 |
| Kami | any other tips for a newbie you feel like sharing ? | 14:41 |
| czajkowski | BigRedS: ello... | 14:43 |
| directhex | Kami, don't eat yellow snow. | 14:45 |
| Kami | ahahha good one tx | 14:46 |
| Kami | Hello again guys .. I just don't get why geany creates so many pbs: kami@ubuntu:/etc/apache2$ gksudo geany httpd.conf gives me an geany source code error, even though the file is there. Is there an easier editor to use ? | 15:20 |
| diplo | gedit ? | 15:20 |
| Kami | it opens an empty file | 15:20 |
| diplo | Gedit does ? | 15:22 |
| Kami | gksudo gedit httpd.conf does not work, it keeps looking for the file but nothing happens | 15:23 |
| brobostigon | trying using the whole file path, | 15:24 |
| diplo | I've just ran it fine here | 15:24 |
| diplo | gksudo gedit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf | 15:24 |
| brobostigon | yes, full path. | 15:24 |
| diplo | I rarely edit those sort of files with a ide though, normally use vi | 15:24 |
| Kami | I just don't understand .... it does not open the file but just hangs | 15:26 |
| diplo | You've entered the password and it opens ? | 15:27 |
| Kami | i get a gksudo 11411 gtk warning | 15:27 |
| diplo | So you have typed exactly this gksudo gedit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? | 15:29 |
| diplo | How about instead doing gksudo gedit and browsing to the directory and opening it that way ? | 15:29 |
| Kami | i get the warning, prompted for the password , enter the password, gedit opens an empty file which just hangs | 15:29 |
| diplo | Works the latter way just as well | 15:30 |
| Kami | I must have killed too many processes because it just keeps on hanging | 15:31 |
| diplo | Reboot and start afresh, works fine on all my systems | 15:31 |
| Kami | you're probably right, thanks. | 15:31 |
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| * awilkins just uses sudo vim | 16:09 | |
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| jacobw | yo | 16:29 |
| * jacobw is hopeless vimmer | 16:29 | |
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| knightnexus | Hey everyone | 18:13 |
| knightnexus | Hey xnox | 18:16 |
| knightnexus | Voicedictation is pretty cool on an irc client | 18:17 |
| xnox | knightnexus: hola | 18:17 |
| knightnexus | hownae you dude | 18:18 |
| knightnexus | Tryin out an android linix client here | 18:18 |
| knightnexus | Irc client | 18:19 |
| knightnexus | Swipe yo swo | 18:20 |
| knightnexus | Swipe to switch channels is cool | 18:20 |
| knightnexus | Srry bout the typos | 18:20 |
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| czajkowski | popey: so I'm hitting | 18:55 |
| czajkowski | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1045268 | 18:55 |
| lubotu3` | Ubuntu bug 1045268 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextRaiseCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid] | 18:55 |
| czajkowski | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1041466 | 18:55 |
| lubotu3` | Ubuntu bug 1041466 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextPrepareCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid] | 18:55 |
| czajkowski | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1028060 | 18:55 |
| lubotu3` | Ubuntu bug 1028060 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextPrepareCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid] | 18:55 |
| czajkowski | but it keeps being marked as invalid any idea how I can get it looked at as my chrome has crashed a lot today with this same bug being opened | 18:55 |
| popey | yo! | 18:57 |
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| popey | czajkowski, sorted | 19:04 |
| Laney | apport won't be able to retrace from the PPA package | 19:04 |
| popey | czajkowski, if you file any more which look like they might be webapps related, change the 'affects' to libunity-webapps, or ping us (or ken) and we can look at it | 19:05 |
| popey | also, can you list what ppas you have in use? | 19:05 |
| czajkowski | sure can do | 19:06 |
| czajkowski | how do I do that ? | 19:06 |
| popey | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | pastebinit | 19:06 |
| popey | assuming you have package pastebinit installed :) | 19:06 |
| popey | actually | 19:06 |
| popey | change that:- | 19:06 |
| popey | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | pastebinit | 19:07 |
| czajkowski | k | 19:07 |
| czajkowski | genius | 19:08 |
| czajkowski | let me make it unprivate | 19:10 |
| czajkowski | popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libunity-webapps/+bug/1050564 | 19:10 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1050564 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextRaiseCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,New] | 19:10 |
| mattt | happy thursday evening everyone | 19:21 |
| jacobw | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/57f0/ | 19:49 |
| jacobw | want | 19:49 |
| mattt | two bee | 19:57 |
| czajkowski | popey: can sky do http://cheezburger.com/34419969 | 20:39 |
| popey | haha | 20:40 |
| czajkowski | so want a pug :/ | 20:43 |
| czajkowski | and I have a name and all picked for it | 20:43 |
| czajkowski | but just cant have one now :( | 20:44 |
| popey | but... they're _so_ fugly | 20:51 |
| czajkowski | :( | 20:52 |
| czajkowski | wrinkly and cute | 20:52 |
| mattt | pugs have weird breathing issues too i think | 20:52 |
| czajkowski | and small and cuddly | 20:52 |
| czajkowski | mattt: yes | 20:53 |
| mattt | they are cute tho :) | 20:53 |
| mgdm | breathing issues and I think hip joint ones too, if they're bred for small size | 20:54 |
| mgdm | though I might be mixing that up | 20:54 |
| AlanBell | xnox: ever tried using the installer with orca? | 20:57 |
| AlanBell | bung a cd in, turn the monitor off, wait for the drums and hit Ctrl+s | 20:57 |
| AlanBell | then get to the end of ubiquity without turning the monitor back on | 20:58 |
| xnox | AlanBell: I fixed the high-contrast a11y theming bug which is very old.... do I get any points?! =) | 20:58 |
| AlanBell | +1 point for xnox | 20:59 |
| xnox | AlanBell: you can actually see the prepare page & manual partitioning now | 20:59 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: see arent you glad I told you xnox was in here now :) | 20:59 |
| xnox | AlanBell: I know gtk quite well, but there is not enough ATK / AT-SPI (?!) documentation and tutorials. | 21:00 |
| AlanBell | yes, that is keyboard navigable, I saw that working | 21:00 |
| xnox | AlanBell: I went to #a11y @ GIMPNet and they couldn't explain much to me. | 21:00 |
| xnox | I asked "How do I trigger an 'announce' event to the screenreaders?!" | 21:01 |
| AlanBell | the main thing is having a completable path through ubiquity to the end | 21:01 |
| xnox | and they said it's not possible, you can only do hints to the at-spi and screenreaders may decide to do something sensible. | 21:01 |
| AlanBell | the screen reader kind of reads what you can put keyboard focus on | 21:02 |
| xnox | AlanBell: can you give me an example of a good application which is "completable" with a screenreader? | 21:02 |
| xnox | But if there is no focus? | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | so stuff like the unity shortcuts overlay is a pile of fail because you can't focus on it at all | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | you can do a flat review in orca and browse about the gtk structure of some applications | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | kind of like using parasite | 21:02 |
| xnox | e.g. I make OK button not sensitive when password fields do not match. But how can I tell the screenreader that it's not sensitive and more importantly why? | 21:03 |
| * xnox has nothing to do with unity. plus by default ubiquity runs in a metacity session | 21:03 | |
| xnox | AlanBell: so, which Gtk+ apps are actually good with a11y? | 21:04 |
| * xnox ponders if ocra itself is accessible | 21:04 | |
| AlanBell | gedit is OK | 21:04 |
| AlanBell | orca itself is accessible and has a huge preferences dialog with lots of widgets in it | 21:05 |
| AlanBell | orca help is technically accessible but not structured very nicely for screen readers | 21:05 |
| AlanBell | I don't really like the way we assume people using orca already know how to use screenreaders | 21:06 |
| * xnox yes, we suck. how can we suck less? | 21:06 | |
| AlanBell | in ubiquity the keyboard detection stuff and the world map thing are basically unuseable, but that isn't a showstopper as it does the right thing if you are connected to the internet when running it | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | I proposed some changes to orca, but the gnome folk were not enthusiastic about it | 21:07 |
| czajkowski | gnome not enthuastic to change, news at 12 :) | 21:08 |
| MartijnVdS | oh they like change | 21:08 |
| MartijnVdS | as long as it involves removing options | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | and doesn't come from Ubuntu | 21:08 |
| MartijnVdS | ah yes, because Canonical is the devil | 21:08 |
| xnox | AlanBell: Alt underscore capital L plus shift plus two | 21:09 |
| * xnox lol | 21:09 | |
| AlanBell | basically I want orca to start with "Welcome to Ubuntu, this is the Orca screen reader, press space to learn how to use orca or alt-tab to focus on another window and start using it" | 21:11 |
| xnox | AlanBell: well orca itself is state-less hence it's good for a screenreader. ubiquity is not state-less it has global and mini state machines. Which is well hard to describe with a narative | 21:11 |
| AlanBell | rather than "Welcome to orca, orca screen reader window, preferences button" | 21:12 |
| xnox | AlanBell: we actually have some code in ubiquity to set ATK description on every single widget, apart from it looks like it's in a dead-end code path and not actually used. | 21:12 |
| AlanBell | there was some code that screwed up the ATK description of everything so that an automated test framework could run it | 21:13 |
| AlanBell | LTP | 21:13 |
| xnox | AlanBell: isn't that change simply a Label in the ocra window? | 21:13 |
| xnox | yeah, but I'm yet to find people who did LTP! | 21:13 |
| xnox | if I can autorun ubiquity UI test scripted, I would have more time to do other bits | 21:13 |
| xnox | AlanBell: how does debian gtk installer compare? is that accessible? | 21:14 |
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| xnox | AlanBell: ok, I quite ocra and it said "Quit push button." (standard Gtk+ stuff) "Good bye." | 21:15 |
| xnox | how did it pronounce Good bye?! | 21:15 |
| * xnox hmmm.... | 21:15 | |
| AlanBell | line 881 of orca.py | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | 1009 is message = _("Welcome to Orca.") | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | 881: orca_state.activeScript.presentMessage(_("Goodbye.")) | 21:17 |
| Monotoko | what's the best software to use to monitor about 4 servers? Just need to make sure all processes are up and check RAM/hard disk space | 21:18 |
| xnox | Monotoko: check_mk | 21:18 |
| xnox | Monotoko: install icinga + check_mk. Configure icinga (see readme) + add 4 lines of check_mk config (hostnames) | 21:18 |
| Monotoko | hmmm that sounds pretty easy | 21:18 |
| Monotoko | il install it in my local VM network and see if it works :) | 21:19 |
| xnox | Monotoko: regenerate configs and you should have all standard checks (cpu usage, disk space, raid monitoring, heartbeat, internet, traffic.....) for 4 servers in less than 30 minutes | 21:19 |
| Monotoko | wonderful | 21:19 |
| xnox | Monotoko: add one line of python to inventorised "interesting" ports/processes and you are done. | 21:19 |
| Monotoko | thank you xnox | 21:21 |
| xnox | Monotoko: it's on my todo list to blog about it | 21:22 |
| xnox | nagios.... for pragmatic people | 21:23 |
| mgdm | Nagios++ | 21:25 |
| mgdm | its config is a little odd but it does tend to just work | 21:25 |
| xnox | mgdm: yes. check_mk takes hostnames. resolves IPs & generates piles of nagios configs for most of usual things: CPU load, disk space, network i/o, processes, package upgrades, etc.... | 21:26 |
| xnox | mgdm: my check_mk config was 60 lines vs 340 lines of nagios (manual) config, I had all the previous checks (~40) + got 300 extra from check_mk | 21:27 |
| xnox | cause it knowns about traps, MIBs, hearbeat, and many things I didn't have time to configure manually in nagios. | 21:27 |
| mgdm | if I'd known about tht the first time I'd done it I'd have been happier :) | 21:28 |
| xnox | AlanBell: orca is not useful. it's a screenreader so it has it's own private APIs to modify the scripts it's talking on the fly. As an external application (ubiquity) I cannot tell Orca "Switching to partitioning page" | 21:29 |
| xnox | xchat is silent under orca =) | 21:31 |
| AlanBell | yeah, you are not supposed to tell it what to say, you just make sure the application is keyboard navigable and things are described correctly so it can read them | 21:34 |
| AlanBell | /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/apps has application specific hacks and tweaks | 21:36 |
| popey | bed! | 21:42 |
| * mgdm often means to ask popey what that quit message refers to | 21:50 | |
| * xnox done! | 23:14 | |
| xnox | I shrunk my partition and created a new one. The old one was LUKS + LVM + EXT4 with extends all over the place. Now I have small LUKS + (still with LVM and EXT4) but also an unencrypted luks for sbuild and stuff =) | 23:15 |
| ubunkunubi | hello | 23:25 |
| ubunkunubi | well, thats that delt with | 23:26 |
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