[00:19] <jabulmer12_> #ubuntu
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[06:54] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:57] <pinky-> good morning to you too
[07:10] <diplo> Morning all
[07:26] <christel> morning lovelies
[07:27] <MartijnVdS> \o christel
[07:27] <MartijnVdS> how's you
[07:27] <christel> MartijnVdS :D
[07:28] <christel> i am well! bit sleepy, happily slept through the alarm this morning and ended up with a rather stressful start to the day!
[07:29]  * MartijnVdS is on his first cup o'tea
[08:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> \o JamesTait
[08:16] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: o/
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> dear compiz/unity.. please stop half-maximizing my terminal
[08:18] <AlanBell> anyone else find unity randomly flicks to mirrored displays after logging in?
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> (I've already used ccsm to disable the bottom corners for "half screen" resize)
[08:18]  * MartijnVdS has no mirrored display to test
[08:18] <AlanBell> so you get a useful dual display at different resolutions for a minute or so, then suddenly it goes to the lowest common denominator
[08:19] <AlanBell> and mirrors, which is almost entirely useless
[08:21] <daubers> diplo: hello
[08:28] <diplo> Hi daubers
[08:29] <diplo> Sorry was making a cuppa and nattering :)
[08:29] <daubers> diplo: You where after me yesterday?
[08:29] <diplo> I was just wondering if you would care to share how you utilised bitfolks spamassasin setup ? Googled it las tnight and your blog post was a result :)
[08:30] <diplo> Just set up my mail server last night and was going to add spamassasin check
[08:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:47] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone.
[08:48] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:49] <brobostigon> good morning bigcalm :)
[08:49] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon :)
[08:50] <bigcalm> Once again I am turning up the volume on my drum & bass so that it drowns out the screaming tantrums coming from next door's child
[08:53] <daubers> diplo: Ah... I don't anymore :)
[08:53] <daubers> diplo: got fedup of running my own mailserver and updates nerfing the config everytime
[08:54] <pinky-> bigcalm maybe it's your drum and bass making the child nextdoor scream? :)
[08:54] <bigcalm> pinky-: not unless the child is wearing my headphones
[08:55] <christel> whyfor they tantrum so much?
[08:55] <diplo> no worries daubers
[08:56] <bigcalm> christel: maybe because they don't get the attention they used to
[09:00] <czajkowski> bigcalm: you know that may not be helping to calm the situation next door right
[09:00] <bigcalm> czajkowski: ?
[09:01] <czajkowski> the noise
[09:01] <bigcalm> What noise?
[09:01] <pinky-> they say binge drinking parents affect 1 in 3 children in the UK
[09:01] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I'm wearing headphones
[09:01] <czajkowski> ah k does the speaker still not vibrate a bit ?
[09:02] <bigcalm> czajkowski: what speaker?
[09:02] <bigcalm> I'm rather confused
[09:02] <czajkowski> ok nm
[09:02] <czajkowski> lets drop it
[09:02] <bigcalm> :)
[09:04] <mattt> haha
[09:05] <daubers> stupid chroot
[09:06] <daubers> chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[09:06] <daubers> thats annoying
[09:06] <daubers> IT DOES EXIST DAMN YOU
[09:08] <mattt> maybe it's linked to something that doesn't exist?
[09:08] <christel> bigcalm: why did they stop getting the attention they used to? did you use to entertain them? :P
[09:08] <mattt> (ldd /bin/bash ?)
[09:08] <daubers> all seems to exist
[09:08] <bigcalm> christel: o.O
[09:09] <bigcalm> christel: they moved in last week. It's been tantrums ever since. Children suck
[09:09] <czajkowski> bigcalm: no they don't not at all, you're just rather anti them
[09:09] <bigcalm> czajkowski: it's the noise. I'm happy not to have to deal with them
[09:10] <czajkowski> I'm sur ethey could think the same about you
[09:10] <bigcalm> I'm not anti them, just glad I'm not required to continue human existence ;)
[09:11] <daubers> so apparently bash shouldn't be working on the host os as linux-vdso.so.1 is a myth
[09:11] <pinky-> I would just try to ignore them and hoped one day they might just go away
[09:11] <pinky-> distruptive families have a habit of moving a lot
[09:12] <czajkowski> ye have no idea whats going n ther
[09:12] <czajkowski> *e
[09:12] <czajkowski> perhaps the poor kid is upset at the move and isn't used to their area
[09:12] <czajkowski> give the kid a break bigcalm
[09:12] <pinky-> maybe
[09:12] <czajkowski> move is stressful on adults  can be hard for kids too
[09:13] <bigcalm> My turning up my music is me ignoring them
[09:13] <christel> bigcalm: aaah moving is a bit unsettling
[09:13] <pinky-> yeah I agree, now you mention it
[09:13] <christel> i have massive tantrums whenever i move
[09:13] <christel> :D
[09:13] <bigcalm> :D
[09:15] <christel> im not even jesting :)
[09:16] <mungojerry> if you drew a graph of tantrums during life, it would peak at age 2, unles you are an actor where it remains constat afterwards too
[09:16] <christel> the boy wonder was much calmer about the whole moving thing than i was
[09:16] <christel> he was just all "HEY THIS IS MY NEW HOUSE, AWESOME *RUN RUN RUN*"
[09:17] <christel> i am waiting for tantrum-hell
[09:17] <christel> i can count the ones he's had thus far on one hand and fear for the day where it becomes more frequent :x
[09:19] <daubers> urgh... loads of softlinks missing
[09:20] <christel> (which if mungojerry is correct should be soon!)
[09:24] <mungojerry> had about 10 yesterday
[09:24] <Laney> the terrible twos!
[09:24] <pinky-> then trublesum threes
[09:25] <Laney> feisty fours?
[09:27] <christel> hehe
[09:27] <christel> mungojerry: when abouts do they tend to start proper? what age? :)
[09:27] <mungojerry> 2
[09:28] <christel> the boy has 5 months left before he's 3! we've had maybe 3 tantrums in total so far, will it suddenly pick up ? :)
[09:28] <mungojerry> wow, strange
[09:28] <mungojerry> as soon as cnadles were lit, boom
[09:29] <christel> haha
[09:29] <mungojerry> they push all the way, making irrational requests
[09:30] <czajkowski> aunt has a almost 3 year old, her twos were full of tantrums, the aunt would just leave her and walk away and she learnt very fast they wouldnt be tolerated
[09:31] <popey> we had a tiny bit of "terrible twos"
[09:31] <popey> but not much
[09:32] <bigcalm> popey: did Sam have fewer or more tantrums because of having an older sister?
[09:33] <bigcalm> Oh
[09:34] <bigcalm> popey: did Sam have fewer or more tantrums because of having an older sister?
[09:35] <popey> no, sam had more than sophie
[09:35] <bigcalm> (compared to Sophie)
[09:35] <popey> but still not loads
[09:35] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:35] <bigcalm> Maybe boys have more? Who knows
[09:36] <mungojerry> my boy is quite spirited
[09:36] <mungojerry> like his parents
[09:36] <bigcalm> Every time I've driving my car this week, there has been at least one diversion. Different each time. I won't if my car is cursed
[09:36] <mungojerry> and we don't give in
[09:36] <christel> i guess part of the reason why we have very few (so far) is that it is just him so he has all the attention, all of the time
[09:37] <popey> i was watching a ben goldacre clip on the bbc website the other day.. sam was in the room sat on the floor playing, heard a bit in the programme about god..
[09:37] <mungojerry> well he tried walking down stiars yesterday in a way that would have proabably killed him, so either he does it properly or somethings gonna happen
[09:37] <popey> "hey, daddy, you don't believe in god do you?", "no", "Me and mummy and sophie do", "Really? Interesting. What do you think god is?", "Uhhhhhh"
[09:37] <christel> <3 sam
[09:37] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:38] <christel> he is so cute
[09:38] <mungojerry> going to church is my boy's highlight of the week, he loves it. me too actually
[09:39] <christel> i am rubbish at talking with kids but i like sam and sophie, they can hold proper conversations!
[09:40] <popey> I dont think sam and sophie have been to church other than other peoples wedding/christenings
[09:40] <mungojerry> my boy said yesterday, "when i am a big man i can grow beard and open front door"
[09:42] <czajkowski> christel: aye popey kids are very cute and sooo polite
[09:42] <christel> czajkowski: yah! i like them, they are funny :D
[09:42] <popey> the school helps a lot there
[09:43] <popey> little things like they have to shake hands with the teacher at the end of every day
[09:43] <czajkowski> oh nice
[09:43] <czajkowski> very nice
[09:43] <popey> i met some random person in a pub, a while back at a party, she was ~15, and she introduced herself to me, and put her hand out to shake
[09:43] <popey> she went to the same school :)
[09:43] <czajkowski> anyone want to earn karma - https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/208450
[09:44] <czajkowski> popey: nice
[09:44] <popey> little things like that are great for their confidence
[09:44] <czajkowski> it's true though, the manners we pick up as children can and do define you growing up
[09:44] <christel> nice
[09:44] <popey> when in pubs we always get the kids to order their own food and when waiters ask how it was we get them to tell the waiter :)
[09:45] <mungojerry> i was in the dentist at age 25 and got out of the chair to swill my mouth out
[09:45] <mungojerry> the dentist laughed his head off
[09:45] <popey> heh
[09:45] <mungojerry> he told me thats what children do because they can't reach
[09:45] <mungojerry> i'd learned that behaviiour but didn't know why
[09:46] <czajkowski> heh
[09:48] <bigcalm> USB TTL thingy just came in the post. Do I work or spend the day trying to fix my WNDR3800? Ah, forgot I don't have the right screw driver though :|
[09:48] <popey> bigcalm, my mate has boxed up the wndr3700, want me to get him to ship it direct to you?
[09:49] <bigcalm> popey: Unless he's a long distance from you, I could pick it up next week?
[09:49] <popey> he's in newbury
[09:49] <popey> lemme see how we can get it from hom
[09:49] <popey> *him
[09:50]  * bigcalm goes to find out where newbury is
[09:51] <bigcalm> Oh, I see. I could pick it up on of the days I'm down
[09:52] <popey> my mate works in uxbridge, which you might be able to pass on the way out
[09:52] <popey> when are you down?
[09:52] <popey> and when are you going back, and driving or train?
[09:52] <bigcalm> popey: Thursday to Sunday
[09:52] <bigcalm> Driving
[09:52] <popey> i might be able to get it next friday
[09:53] <popey> lemme think
[09:58] <bigcalm> !ping
[09:58]  * bigcalm kicks argos.com
[09:59] <christel> JamesTait \o/
[09:59] <JamesTait> christel: Hello dahling!
[10:00] <christel> how art thou? :P)
[10:00] <JamesTait> christel: Cold. :(
[10:00] <JamesTait> So making myself feel better with a cup of hot rooibos and a chocolate chip muffin.
[10:01] <christel> aww
[10:01] <christel> oo muffin
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:04] <JamesTait> davmor2: o/
[10:04] <christel> davmor2: did you bring me a muffin? :)
[10:05] <davmor2> JamesTait: morning and belated happy birthday
[10:06] <JamesTait> THank you davmor2. :)
[10:06] <JamesTait> I'm now closer to 40 than 30.
[10:09] <bigcalm> My laptop's update manager is really struggling to up date its cache :(
[10:09] <davmor2> christel: no but I tell you what next time I'm down soowwwwffff or your up here, I'll take time out to give you a muffin or an eclair or a Doughnut hmmmmm doughnut
[10:10] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:10] <davmor2> morning bigcalm
[10:13] <mungojerry> bigcalm, i get that a lot on systems with mutiple DEs installed
[10:13] <mungojerry> yesterday popcon shagged my machine for a while
[10:13] <mungojerry> but usually it's apt-xapian-index
[10:14] <bigcalm> I get the feeling that my DNS is buggered (even though I'm using Google)
[10:14] <bigcalm> Is http://www.diy.com/ (B & Q) full of broken images for anybody else?
[10:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: looks fine here dude
[10:18] <bigcalm> Tis me then
[10:18] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:18] <popey> waiting for diy.com....
[10:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: try a different browser
[10:19] <popey> loaded in the end
[10:19] <davmor2> grisial: what the????
[10:20] <grisial> davmor2: now also available in welsh!
[10:21] <gord> i'm just dubbed in welsh
[10:21] <czajkowski> gord: ello
[10:23] <gord> hiho
[10:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, proddington, prodly proddington-smythe, hello :) Have a hug I feel like scaring you :)
[10:25] <czajkowski> bleugh
[10:56] <pinky-> I've currently got the 'not sure what to do' vibe
[10:56] <pinky-> bored
[10:56] <popey> I can help you fix that
[10:56] <pinky-> any suggestions?
[10:56] <bigcalm> Know any python? ;)
[10:57] <popey> http://popey.me/Q4SAVs
[10:58] <popey> http://popey.me/SZi1Ik
[10:58] <popey> click those, find bugs, fix :)
[10:58] <pinky-> me clicks
[10:59] <pinky-> damn there's a lot
[11:00] <popey> sorted by heat order
[11:00] <popey> i.e. most affected users at the top
[11:00] <mungojerry> how much clearance should there be in an office walkway next to a fire escape?
[11:01] <bigcalm> More than none?
[11:01] <daubers> mungojerry: Can you run down the middle while screaming in panic waving your arms in the air?
[11:01] <mungojerry> daubers, i might, but the printer somebody has placed there might get knocked over
[11:02] <bigcalm> mungojerry: do so to prove the point
[11:02] <daubers> mungojerry: start a fire and try it?
[11:02] <bigcalm> Cat swinging is also a useful guide
[11:02] <diplo> mungojerry: Big company ?
[11:02] <mungojerry> yes
[11:03] <mungojerry> i want to move the printer but i need justification
[11:03] <mungojerry> people come and talk right by my desk
[11:03] <mungojerry> but it is next to a fire escape on a dodgy ikea table
[11:03] <daubers> mungojerry: set fire to the ptiner?
[11:03] <mungojerry> that is too small for it
[11:03] <daubers> urgh
[11:03] <daubers> s/ptiner/printer
[11:03] <diplo> Ask the H&S person to do a assesment :) I used to have to do them all the time :/
[11:04] <mungojerry> if they say no, then i miht be stuck with it
[11:04] <mungojerry> i might just move it and people will assume if was H&S
[11:04] <diplo> heh, risk assessment was the work i was looking for
[11:05] <diplo> http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/riskassess.htm
[11:06] <ali1234> what's the deal with bug 346386? the original report has a patch, it's marked fix released, yet there are duplicate bugs constantly since the original report and people still reporting it
[11:08] <mattt> pinky-: http://www.udacity.com/
[11:10]  * pinky- clicks
[11:16] <mungojerry> running iotop -b -o is quite enlightening..
[11:38] <pinky-> I'm now sat eating lunch whilst watching python videos and not so bored - thanks!
[12:13]  * bigcalm hugs christel
[12:13] <popey> heh, i just got a global notice in thunderbird from christel
[12:13] <popey> i forgot that i connected it to freenode
[12:13] <popey> must have been connecting every day for some weeks
[12:13] <christel> haha
[12:14] <christel> someone told us off for the global "not just saying that you were being ddosed" i dare say it did say that, just in christelese
[12:14]  * Laney tickles popey_tb 
[12:14] <popey_tb> hehe
[12:23] <bigcalm> I still don't see the point of irc via an email client, but that's just me
[12:25] <DJones> bigcalm: +1 to that, but I guess its no different to irc via pidgeon or a web interface, if it suits people , they'll go with it
[12:29] <mungojerry> can someone run " sudo iotop -b -o | grep jbd" and let me know the average %
[12:29] <mungojerry> (non invasive command)
[12:30] <Laney> people should be suspicious when you ask them to run random commands, especially ones with sudo in
[12:30] <Laney> you probably want to explain what it is
[12:32] <DJones> mungojerry: http://privatepaste.com/62cabc7b51
[12:35] <BigRedS> mungojerry: https://gist.github.com/3714038
[12:40] <mungojerry> it outputs the % age of i/o taken by the journaling process
[12:41] <mungojerry> thanks chaps. on a quiet system mine is quite busy
[12:42] <mungojerry> looks a bit like BigRedS results
[13:40] <mungojerry> how does unity do the printer config? i get bug 871985
[13:42] <czajkowski> bug #871985
[13:42] <czajkowski> bah bot
[13:43] <daubers> bah bah botsheep ?
[13:45] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 871985 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "The printing panel shouldn't display errors about firewalld not running" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871985
[13:47] <mungojerry> not a low bug IMO, however not sure if it affects unity users
[13:56] <AlanBell> for my user I have a unity laucher on every monitor whether I want it or not, however in a guest session I can choose which monitor it goes on and it actually does go there
[13:56] <AlanBell> any idea what I should be cleaning out to get my profile working right?
[14:17] <Kami> I just edited a file with root priviledges but I get error message: " Error opening file /etc .../default: permission denied - the file on disk may now be truncated" - any idea why ?
[14:21] <Kami> 2nd question: instead of using gnu nano 2.2.6  as editor, I want to use geany as standard code editor, is there a way to set that it as default ?
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> Kami: how did you edit the file?
[14:22] <Kami> mart - in gnu nano 2.2.6, I made the changes, I am trying to save them.
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> the exact command please :)
[14:22] <Kami> mart - I don't understand the question. The file opened and I modified it.
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> yes
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> how did you open the file?
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> I assume you typed something in a terminal window..
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> what did you type? :)
[14:23] <Kami> sudo nano /etc/apache2/site-available/default - my password here
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> Kami: so you put your password on the same line as sudo?
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> or did you do:
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> sudo nano /etc/apache2/site-available/default
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> and then it asked for your password and you entered it
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> You made a typo in the file name -- it's "sites-available" (plural "sites"), hence you're editing a non-existent file
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> which shows up empty in the editor
[14:26] <Kami> M - right about the typo, I got the second option where I was asked for my password on another line
[14:26] <Kami> as I said, I just want to save the modifications and use geany as default as opposed to gnu nano 2.2.6
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> good :) you should never have to type your password on a command line
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> you could use 'sudo geany /etc/apache2/etc.etc.'
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> instead of 'sudo nano'
[14:28] <diplo> shouldn't you use gksudo ? ?
[14:28] <AlanBell> no
[14:28] <diplo> I rarely use gui apps now a days
[14:28] <AlanBell> nano isn't a gui app so sudo is fine
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> I use a web browser and terminals :)
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> and rhythmbox
[14:28] <Kami> m - ok thanks. Why am I not able to save the file ?
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: bug geany might be
[14:28] <diplo> No he wants for Geany AlanBell
[14:28] <AlanBell> ah, ok
[14:29] <MartijnVdS> Kami: because the directory /etc/apache2/site-available does not exist, you have to save in a directory that exists
[14:30] <Kami> M - I have the file in front of me - with the right content - so shouldn't I be able to save the changes ?
[14:30] <BigRedS> you can, but not into a directory that doesn't exist
[14:31] <AlanBell> the bit I find curious is that "The file on disk may now be truncated!" is a geany error message, not a nano one
[14:32] <Kami> wow ... so even though a directory does not exist, it opens a file inside that dir with the exact same content as a file in another directory ?
[14:32] <AlanBell> in nano you just get no write permission turning up at the bottom just above the menu
[14:32] <AlanBell> Kami: no, it should be fine
[14:33] <AlanBell>   [ Read 36 lines (Warning: No write permission) ] is what you should see in nano if you open the file without sudo access
[14:33] <AlanBell> and it should be able to save it if you do have sudo access
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> ah
[14:34] <AlanBell> is the directory mounted in a strange way?
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> so Kami isn't telling us the whole story :)
[14:34] <AlanBell> like it is mounted over sshfs or something?
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I think he might have opened the file in geany (without sudo)
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: if you say that's a geany error...
[14:35] <Kami> M -  I did not create the directory and I did not create the file. It's def a geany problem since I don't know the gnu command to save modifications of a file
[14:35] <AlanBell> right, so go to the directory and do gksudo geany default
[14:36] <AlanBell> and it will work, if you don't start geany with root permissions you will get that error, which is a complete lie, nothing will be truncated
[14:36] <AlanBell> but that error is in the geany source code
[14:38] <Kami> I am sorry, I am a newbie, I will start  from scratch, type sudo geany /etc/apache2/etc.etc.' - edit the file and try to save it.  Does that make sense ?
[14:38] <AlanBell> gksudo geany /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[14:38] <AlanBell> that will work
[14:39] <AlanBell> sudo will also work but gksudo pops up a nice window for the password and apparently prevents some problem that I have never encountered
[14:41] <Kami> you are right - it works - thanks very much - appreciated
[14:41] <Kami> any other tips for a newbie you feel like sharing ?
[14:43] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ello...
[14:45] <directhex> Kami, don't eat yellow snow.
[14:46] <Kami> ahahha good one tx
[15:20] <Kami> Hello again guys ..   I just don't get why geany creates so many pbs: kami@ubuntu:/etc/apache2$ gksudo geany httpd.conf  gives me an geany source code error, even though the file is there. Is there an easier editor to use ?
[15:20] <diplo> gedit ?
[15:20] <Kami> it opens an empty file
[15:22] <diplo> Gedit does ?
[15:23] <Kami> gksudo gedit httpd.conf  does not work, it keeps looking for the file but nothing happens
[15:24] <brobostigon> trying using the whole file path,
[15:24] <diplo> I've just ran it fine here
[15:24] <diplo> gksudo gedit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[15:24] <brobostigon> yes, full path.
[15:24] <diplo> I rarely edit those sort of files with a ide though, normally use vi
[15:26] <Kami> I just don't understand .... it does not open the file but just hangs
[15:27] <diplo> You've entered the password and it opens ?
[15:27] <Kami> i get a gksudo 11411 gtk warning
[15:29] <diplo> So you have typed exactly this gksudo gedit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ?
[15:29] <diplo> How about instead doing gksudo gedit and browsing to the directory and opening it that way ?
[15:29] <Kami> i get the warning, prompted for the password , enter the password, gedit opens an empty file which just hangs
[15:30] <diplo> Works the latter way just as well
[15:31] <Kami> I must have killed too many processes  because it just keeps on hanging
[15:31] <diplo> Reboot and start afresh, works fine on all my systems
[15:31] <Kami> you're probably right, thanks.
[16:09]  * awilkins just uses sudo vim
[16:29] <jacobw> yo
[16:29]  * jacobw is hopeless vimmer
[18:13] <knightnexus> Hey everyone
[18:16] <knightnexus> Hey xnox
[18:17] <knightnexus> Voicedictation is pretty cool on an irc client
[18:17] <xnox> knightnexus: hola
[18:18] <knightnexus> hownae you dude
[18:18] <knightnexus> Tryin out an android linix client here
[18:19] <knightnexus> Irc client
[18:20] <knightnexus> Swipe yo swo
[18:20] <knightnexus> Swipe  to switch channels is cool
[18:20] <knightnexus> Srry bout the typos
[18:55] <czajkowski> popey: so I'm hitting
[18:55] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1045268
[18:55] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1045268 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextRaiseCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:55] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1041466
[18:55] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1041466 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextPrepareCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:55] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1028060
[18:55] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1028060 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextPrepareCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:55] <czajkowski> but it keeps being marked as invalid any idea how I can get it looked at as my chrome has crashed a lot today with this same bug being opened
[18:57] <popey> yo!
[19:04] <popey> czajkowski, sorted
[19:04] <Laney> apport won't be able to retrace from the PPA package
[19:05] <popey> czajkowski, if you file any more which look like they might be webapps related, change the 'affects' to libunity-webapps, or ping us (or ken) and we can look at it
[19:05] <popey> also, can you list what ppas you have in use?
[19:06] <czajkowski> sure can do
[19:06] <czajkowski> how do I do that ?
[19:06] <popey> cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | pastebinit
[19:06] <popey> assuming you have package pastebinit installed :)
[19:06] <popey> actually
[19:06] <popey> change that:-
[19:07] <popey> cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | pastebinit
[19:07] <czajkowski> k
[19:08] <czajkowski> genius
[19:10] <czajkowski> let me make it unprivate
[19:10] <czajkowski> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libunity-webapps/+bug/1050564
[19:21] <mattt> happy thursday evening everyone
[19:49] <jacobw> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/57f0/
[19:49] <jacobw> want
[19:57] <mattt> two bee
[20:39] <czajkowski> popey: can sky do http://cheezburger.com/34419969
[20:40] <popey> haha
[20:43] <czajkowski> so want a pug :/
[20:43] <czajkowski> and I have a name and all picked for it
[20:44] <czajkowski> but just cant have one now :(
[20:51] <popey> but... they're _so_ fugly
[20:52] <czajkowski> :(
[20:52] <czajkowski> wrinkly and cute
[20:52] <mattt> pugs have weird breathing issues too i think
[20:52] <czajkowski> and small and cuddly
[20:53] <czajkowski> mattt: yes
[20:53] <mattt> they are cute tho :)
[20:54] <mgdm> breathing issues and I think hip joint ones too, if they're bred for small size
[20:54] <mgdm> though I might be mixing that up
[20:57] <AlanBell> xnox: ever tried using the installer with orca?
[20:57] <AlanBell> bung a cd in, turn the monitor off, wait for the drums and hit Ctrl+s
[20:58] <AlanBell> then get to the end of ubiquity without turning the monitor back on
[20:58] <xnox> AlanBell: I fixed the high-contrast a11y theming bug which is very old.... do I get any points?! =)
[20:59] <AlanBell> +1 point for xnox
[20:59] <xnox> AlanBell: you can actually see the prepare page & manual partitioning now
[20:59] <czajkowski> AlanBell: see arent you glad I told you xnox was in here now :)
[21:00] <xnox> AlanBell: I know gtk quite well, but there is not enough ATK / AT-SPI (?!) documentation and tutorials.
[21:00] <AlanBell> yes, that is keyboard navigable, I saw that working
[21:00] <xnox> AlanBell: I went to #a11y @ GIMPNet and they couldn't explain much to me.
[21:01] <xnox> I asked "How do I trigger an 'announce' event to the screenreaders?!"
[21:01] <AlanBell> the main thing is having a completable path through ubiquity to the end
[21:01] <xnox> and they said it's not possible, you can only do hints to the at-spi and screenreaders may decide to do something sensible.
[21:02] <AlanBell> the screen reader kind of reads what you can put keyboard focus on
[21:02] <xnox> AlanBell: can you give me an example of a good application which is "completable" with a screenreader?
[21:02] <xnox> But if there is no focus?
[21:02] <AlanBell> so stuff like the unity shortcuts overlay is a pile of fail because you can't focus on it at all
[21:02] <AlanBell> you can do a flat review in orca and browse about the gtk structure of some applications
[21:02] <AlanBell> kind of like using parasite
[21:03] <xnox> e.g. I make OK button not sensitive when password fields do not match. But how can I tell the screenreader that it's not sensitive and more importantly why?
[21:03]  * xnox has nothing to do with unity. plus by default ubiquity runs in a metacity session
[21:04] <xnox> AlanBell: so, which Gtk+ apps are actually good with a11y?
[21:04]  * xnox ponders if ocra itself is accessible
[21:04] <AlanBell> gedit is OK
[21:05] <AlanBell> orca itself is accessible and has a huge preferences dialog with lots of widgets in it
[21:05] <AlanBell> orca help is technically accessible but not structured very nicely for screen readers
[21:06] <AlanBell> I don't really like the way we assume people using orca already know how to use screenreaders
[21:06]  * xnox yes, we suck. how can we suck less?
[21:07] <AlanBell> in ubiquity the keyboard detection stuff and the world map thing are basically unuseable, but that isn't a showstopper as it does the right thing if you are connected to the internet when running it
[21:07] <AlanBell> I proposed some changes to orca, but the gnome folk were not enthusiastic about it
[21:08] <czajkowski> gnome not enthuastic to change, news at 12 :)
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> oh they like change
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> as long as it involves removing options
[21:08] <AlanBell> and doesn't come from Ubuntu
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> ah yes, because Canonical is the devil
[21:09] <xnox> AlanBell: Alt underscore capital L plus shift plus two
[21:09]  * xnox lol
[21:11] <AlanBell> basically I want orca to start with "Welcome to Ubuntu, this is the Orca screen reader, press space to learn how to use orca or alt-tab to focus on another window and start using it"
[21:11] <xnox> AlanBell: well orca itself is state-less hence it's good for a screenreader. ubiquity is not state-less it has global and mini state machines. Which is well hard to describe with a narative
[21:12] <AlanBell> rather than "Welcome to orca, orca screen reader window, preferences button"
[21:12] <xnox> AlanBell: we actually have some code in ubiquity to set ATK description on every single widget, apart from it looks like it's in a dead-end code path and not actually used.
[21:13] <AlanBell> there was some code that screwed up the ATK description of everything so that an automated test framework could run it
[21:13] <AlanBell> LTP
[21:13] <xnox> AlanBell: isn't that change simply a Label in the ocra window?
[21:13] <xnox> yeah, but I'm yet to find people who did LTP!
[21:13] <xnox> if I can autorun ubiquity UI test scripted, I would have more time to do other bits
[21:14] <xnox> AlanBell: how does debian gtk installer compare? is that accessible?
[21:15] <xnox> AlanBell: ok, I quite ocra and it said "Quit push button." (standard Gtk+ stuff) "Good bye."
[21:15] <xnox> how did it pronounce Good bye?!
[21:15]  * xnox hmmm....
[21:16] <AlanBell> line 881 of orca.py
[21:16] <AlanBell> 1009 is message = _("Welcome to Orca.")
[21:17] <AlanBell> 881:    orca_state.activeScript.presentMessage(_("Goodbye."))
[21:18] <Monotoko> what's the best software to use to monitor about 4 servers? Just need to make sure all processes are up and check RAM/hard disk space
[21:18] <xnox> Monotoko: check_mk
[21:18] <xnox> Monotoko: install icinga + check_mk. Configure icinga (see readme) + add 4 lines of check_mk config (hostnames)
[21:18] <Monotoko> hmmm that sounds pretty easy
[21:19] <Monotoko> il install it in my local VM network and see if it works :)
[21:19] <xnox> Monotoko: regenerate configs and you should have all standard checks (cpu usage, disk space, raid monitoring, heartbeat, internet, traffic.....) for 4 servers in less than 30 minutes
[21:19] <Monotoko> wonderful
[21:19] <xnox> Monotoko: add one line of python to inventorised "interesting" ports/processes and you are done.
[21:21] <Monotoko> thank you xnox
[21:22] <xnox> Monotoko: it's on my todo list to blog about it
[21:23] <xnox> nagios.... for pragmatic people
[21:25] <mgdm> Nagios++
[21:25] <mgdm> its config is a little odd but it does tend to just work
[21:26] <xnox> mgdm: yes. check_mk takes hostnames. resolves IPs & generates piles of nagios configs for most of usual things: CPU load, disk space, network i/o, processes, package upgrades, etc....
[21:27] <xnox> mgdm: my check_mk config was 60 lines vs 340 lines of nagios (manual) config, I had all the previous checks (~40) + got 300 extra from check_mk
[21:27] <xnox> cause it knowns about traps, MIBs, hearbeat, and many things I didn't have time to configure manually in nagios.
[21:28] <mgdm> if I'd known about tht the first time I'd done it I'd have been happier :)
[21:29] <xnox> AlanBell: orca is not useful. it's a screenreader so it has it's own private APIs to modify the scripts it's talking on the fly. As an external application (ubiquity) I cannot tell Orca "Switching to partitioning page"
[21:31] <xnox> xchat is silent under orca =)
[21:34] <AlanBell> yeah, you are not supposed to tell it what to say, you just make sure the application is keyboard navigable and things are described correctly so it can read them
[21:36] <AlanBell> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/apps has application specific hacks and tweaks
[21:42] <popey> bed!
[21:50]  * mgdm often means to ask popey what that quit message refers to
[23:14]  * xnox done!
[23:15] <xnox> I shrunk my partition and created a new one. The old one was LUKS + LVM + EXT4 with extends all over the place. Now I have small LUKS + (still with LVM and EXT4) but also an unencrypted luks for sbuild and stuff =)
[23:25] <ubunkunubi> hello
[23:26] <ubunkunubi> well, thats that delt with