[00:19] #ubuntu [00:19] ChanServ === chalced is now known as chalcedony [06:54] morning all [06:57] good morning to you too [07:10] Morning all [07:26] morning lovelies [07:27] \o christel [07:27] how's you [07:27] MartijnVdS :D [07:28] i am well! bit sleepy, happily slept through the alarm this morning and ended up with a rather stressful start to the day! [07:29] * MartijnVdS is on his first cup o'tea [08:15] Good morning all! :-D [08:15] \o JamesTait [08:16] MartijnVdS: o/ [08:17] dear compiz/unity.. please stop half-maximizing my terminal [08:18] anyone else find unity randomly flicks to mirrored displays after logging in? [08:18] (I've already used ccsm to disable the bottom corners for "half screen" resize) [08:18] * MartijnVdS has no mirrored display to test [08:18] so you get a useful dual display at different resolutions for a minute or so, then suddenly it goes to the lowest common denominator [08:19] and mirrors, which is almost entirely useless [08:21] diplo: hello [08:28] Hi daubers [08:29] Sorry was making a cuppa and nattering :) [08:29] diplo: You where after me yesterday? [08:29] I was just wondering if you would care to share how you utilised bitfolks spamassasin setup ? Googled it las tnight and your blog post was a result :) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:30] Just set up my mail server last night and was going to add spamassasin check [08:46] aloha [08:47] good morning eveyrone. [08:48] Good morning peeps :) [08:49] good morning bigcalm :) [08:49] Hi brobostigon :) [08:50] Once again I am turning up the volume on my drum & bass so that it drowns out the screaming tantrums coming from next door's child [08:53] diplo: Ah... I don't anymore :) [08:53] diplo: got fedup of running my own mailserver and updates nerfing the config everytime [08:54] bigcalm maybe it's your drum and bass making the child nextdoor scream? :) [08:54] pinky-: not unless the child is wearing my headphones [08:55] whyfor they tantrum so much? [08:55] no worries daubers [08:56] christel: maybe because they don't get the attention they used to [09:00] bigcalm: you know that may not be helping to calm the situation next door right [09:00] czajkowski: ? [09:01] the noise [09:01] What noise? [09:01] they say binge drinking parents affect 1 in 3 children in the UK [09:01] czajkowski: I'm wearing headphones [09:01] ah k does the speaker still not vibrate a bit ? [09:02] czajkowski: what speaker? [09:02] I'm rather confused [09:02] ok nm [09:02] lets drop it [09:02] :) [09:04] haha [09:05] stupid chroot [09:06] chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory [09:06] thats annoying [09:06] IT DOES EXIST DAMN YOU [09:08] maybe it's linked to something that doesn't exist? [09:08] bigcalm: why did they stop getting the attention they used to? did you use to entertain them? :P [09:08] (ldd /bin/bash ?) [09:08] all seems to exist [09:08] christel: o.O [09:09] christel: they moved in last week. It's been tantrums ever since. Children suck [09:09] bigcalm: no they don't not at all, you're just rather anti them [09:09] czajkowski: it's the noise. I'm happy not to have to deal with them [09:10] I'm sur ethey could think the same about you [09:10] I'm not anti them, just glad I'm not required to continue human existence ;) [09:11] so apparently bash shouldn't be working on the host os as linux-vdso.so.1 is a myth [09:11] I would just try to ignore them and hoped one day they might just go away [09:11] distruptive families have a habit of moving a lot [09:12] ye have no idea whats going n ther [09:12] *e [09:12] perhaps the poor kid is upset at the move and isn't used to their area [09:12] give the kid a break bigcalm [09:12] maybe [09:12] move is stressful on adults can be hard for kids too [09:13] My turning up my music is me ignoring them [09:13] bigcalm: aaah moving is a bit unsettling [09:13] yeah I agree, now you mention it [09:13] i have massive tantrums whenever i move [09:13] :D [09:13] :D [09:15] im not even jesting :) [09:16] if you drew a graph of tantrums during life, it would peak at age 2, unles you are an actor where it remains constat afterwards too [09:16] the boy wonder was much calmer about the whole moving thing than i was [09:16] he was just all "HEY THIS IS MY NEW HOUSE, AWESOME *RUN RUN RUN*" [09:17] i am waiting for tantrum-hell [09:17] i can count the ones he's had thus far on one hand and fear for the day where it becomes more frequent :x [09:19] urgh... loads of softlinks missing [09:20] (which if mungojerry is correct should be soon!) [09:24] had about 10 yesterday [09:24] the terrible twos! [09:24] then trublesum threes [09:25] feisty fours? [09:27] hehe [09:27] mungojerry: when abouts do they tend to start proper? what age? :) [09:27] 2 [09:28] the boy has 5 months left before he's 3! we've had maybe 3 tantrums in total so far, will it suddenly pick up ? :) [09:28] wow, strange [09:28] as soon as cnadles were lit, boom [09:29] haha [09:29] they push all the way, making irrational requests [09:30] aunt has a almost 3 year old, her twos were full of tantrums, the aunt would just leave her and walk away and she learnt very fast they wouldnt be tolerated [09:31] we had a tiny bit of "terrible twos" [09:31] but not much [09:32] popey: did Sam have fewer or more tantrums because of having an older sister? [09:33] Oh [09:34] popey: did Sam have fewer or more tantrums because of having an older sister? [09:35] no, sam had more than sophie [09:35] (compared to Sophie) [09:35] but still not loads [09:35] Ah [09:35] Maybe boys have more? Who knows [09:36] my boy is quite spirited [09:36] like his parents [09:36] Every time I've driving my car this week, there has been at least one diversion. Different each time. I won't if my car is cursed [09:36] and we don't give in [09:36] i guess part of the reason why we have very few (so far) is that it is just him so he has all the attention, all of the time [09:37] i was watching a ben goldacre clip on the bbc website the other day.. sam was in the room sat on the floor playing, heard a bit in the programme about god.. [09:37] well he tried walking down stiars yesterday in a way that would have proabably killed him, so either he does it properly or somethings gonna happen [09:37] "hey, daddy, you don't believe in god do you?", "no", "Me and mummy and sophie do", "Really? Interesting. What do you think god is?", "Uhhhhhh" [09:37] <3 sam [09:37] Heh [09:38] he is so cute [09:38] going to church is my boy's highlight of the week, he loves it. me too actually [09:39] i am rubbish at talking with kids but i like sam and sophie, they can hold proper conversations! [09:40] I dont think sam and sophie have been to church other than other peoples wedding/christenings [09:40] my boy said yesterday, "when i am a big man i can grow beard and open front door" [09:42] christel: aye popey kids are very cute and sooo polite [09:42] czajkowski: yah! i like them, they are funny :D [09:42] the school helps a lot there [09:43] little things like they have to shake hands with the teacher at the end of every day [09:43] oh nice [09:43] very nice [09:43] i met some random person in a pub, a while back at a party, she was ~15, and she introduced herself to me, and put her hand out to shake [09:43] she went to the same school :) [09:43] anyone want to earn karma - https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/208450 [09:44] popey: nice [09:44] little things like that are great for their confidence [09:44] it's true though, the manners we pick up as children can and do define you growing up [09:44] nice [09:44] when in pubs we always get the kids to order their own food and when waiters ask how it was we get them to tell the waiter :) [09:45] i was in the dentist at age 25 and got out of the chair to swill my mouth out [09:45] the dentist laughed his head off [09:45] heh [09:45] he told me thats what children do because they can't reach [09:45] i'd learned that behaviiour but didn't know why [09:46] heh [09:48] USB TTL thingy just came in the post. Do I work or spend the day trying to fix my WNDR3800? Ah, forgot I don't have the right screw driver though :| [09:48] bigcalm, my mate has boxed up the wndr3700, want me to get him to ship it direct to you? [09:49] popey: Unless he's a long distance from you, I could pick it up next week? [09:49] he's in newbury [09:49] lemme see how we can get it from hom [09:49] *him [09:50] * bigcalm goes to find out where newbury is [09:51] Oh, I see. I could pick it up on of the days I'm down [09:52] my mate works in uxbridge, which you might be able to pass on the way out [09:52] when are you down? [09:52] and when are you going back, and driving or train? [09:52] popey: Thursday to Sunday [09:52] Driving [09:52] i might be able to get it next friday [09:53] lemme think [09:58] !ping [09:58] another contentless ping... sigh... [09:58] * bigcalm kicks argos.com [09:59] JamesTait \o/ [09:59] christel: Hello dahling! [10:00] how art thou? :P) [10:00] christel: Cold. :( [10:00] So making myself feel better with a cup of hot rooibos and a chocolate chip muffin. [10:01] aww [10:01] oo muffin [10:04] Morning all [10:04] davmor2: o/ [10:04] davmor2: did you bring me a muffin? :) [10:05] JamesTait: morning and belated happy birthday [10:06] THank you davmor2. :) [10:06] I'm now closer to 40 than 30. [10:09] My laptop's update manager is really struggling to up date its cache :( [10:09] christel: no but I tell you what next time I'm down soowwwwffff or your up here, I'll take time out to give you a muffin or an eclair or a Doughnut hmmmmm doughnut [10:10] Morning davmor2 [10:10] morning bigcalm [10:13] bigcalm, i get that a lot on systems with mutiple DEs installed [10:13] yesterday popcon shagged my machine for a while [10:13] but usually it's apt-xapian-index [10:14] I get the feeling that my DNS is buggered (even though I'm using Google) [10:14] Is http://www.diy.com/ (B & Q) full of broken images for anybody else? [10:17] bigcalm: looks fine here dude [10:18] Tis me then === christel is now known as grisial [10:18] o.O [10:18] waiting for diy.com.... [10:18] bigcalm: try a different browser [10:19] loaded in the end [10:19] grisial: what the???? [10:20] davmor2: now also available in welsh! [10:21] i'm just dubbed in welsh [10:21] gord: ello [10:23] hiho [10:25] czajkowski: prod, prod, proddington, prodly proddington-smythe, hello :) Have a hug I feel like scaring you :) [10:25] bleugh [10:56] I've currently got the 'not sure what to do' vibe [10:56] bored [10:56] I can help you fix that [10:56] any suggestions? [10:56] Know any python? ;) [10:57] http://popey.me/Q4SAVs [10:58] http://popey.me/SZi1Ik [10:58] click those, find bugs, fix :) [10:58] me clicks [10:59] damn there's a lot [11:00] sorted by heat order [11:00] i.e. most affected users at the top [11:00] how much clearance should there be in an office walkway next to a fire escape? [11:01] More than none? [11:01] mungojerry: Can you run down the middle while screaming in panic waving your arms in the air? [11:01] daubers, i might, but the printer somebody has placed there might get knocked over [11:02] mungojerry: do so to prove the point [11:02] mungojerry: start a fire and try it? [11:02] Cat swinging is also a useful guide [11:02] mungojerry: Big company ? [11:02] yes [11:03] i want to move the printer but i need justification [11:03] people come and talk right by my desk [11:03] but it is next to a fire escape on a dodgy ikea table [11:03] mungojerry: set fire to the ptiner? [11:03] that is too small for it [11:03] urgh [11:03] s/ptiner/printer [11:03] Ask the H&S person to do a assesment :) I used to have to do them all the time :/ [11:04] if they say no, then i miht be stuck with it [11:04] i might just move it and people will assume if was H&S [11:04] heh, risk assessment was the work i was looking for [11:05] http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/riskassess.htm [11:06] what's the deal with bug 346386? the original report has a patch, it's marked fix released, yet there are duplicate bugs constantly since the original report and people still reporting it [11:06] Launchpad bug 346386 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "[MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346386 [11:08] pinky-: http://www.udacity.com/ [11:10] * pinky- clicks [11:16] running iotop -b -o is quite enlightening.. [11:38] I'm now sat eating lunch whilst watching python videos and not so bored - thanks! === Monster_Killer is now known as MonsterKiller === grisial_ is now known as grisial === grisial is now known as christel [12:13] * bigcalm hugs christel [12:13] heh, i just got a global notice in thunderbird from christel [12:13] i forgot that i connected it to freenode [12:13] must have been connecting every day for some weeks [12:13] haha [12:14] someone told us off for the global "not just saying that you were being ddosed" i dare say it did say that, just in christelese [12:14] * Laney tickles popey_tb [12:14] hehe === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [12:23] I still don't see the point of irc via an email client, but that's just me === _Dave2_ is now known as Dave2 === Monster_Killer is now known as MonsterKiller === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie [12:25] bigcalm: +1 to that, but I guess its no different to irc via pidgeon or a web interface, if it suits people , they'll go with it [12:29] can someone run " sudo iotop -b -o | grep jbd" and let me know the average % [12:29] (non invasive command) [12:30] people should be suspicious when you ask them to run random commands, especially ones with sudo in [12:30] you probably want to explain what it is === diplo_ is now known as diplo [12:32] mungojerry: http://privatepaste.com/62cabc7b51 [12:35] mungojerry: https://gist.github.com/3714038 [12:40] it outputs the % age of i/o taken by the journaling process [12:41] thanks chaps. on a quiet system mine is quite busy [12:42] looks a bit like BigRedS results === dgjones is now known as DJones === cking_ is now known as cking === alexander is now known as Guest12078 === christel_ is now known as christel [13:40] how does unity do the printer config? i get bug 871985 [13:42] bug #871985 [13:42] bah bot [13:43] bah bah botsheep ? === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [13:45] Launchpad bug 871985 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "The printing panel shouldn't display errors about firewalld not running" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871985 [13:47] not a low bug IMO, however not sure if it affects unity users [13:56] for my user I have a unity laucher on every monitor whether I want it or not, however in a guest session I can choose which monitor it goes on and it actually does go there [13:56] any idea what I should be cleaning out to get my profile working right? [14:17] I just edited a file with root priviledges but I get error message: " Error opening file /etc .../default: permission denied - the file on disk may now be truncated" - any idea why ? [14:21] 2nd question: instead of using gnu nano 2.2.6 as editor, I want to use geany as standard code editor, is there a way to set that it as default ? [14:21] Kami: how did you edit the file? [14:22] mart - in gnu nano 2.2.6, I made the changes, I am trying to save them. [14:22] the exact command please :) [14:22] mart - I don't understand the question. The file opened and I modified it. [14:23] yes [14:23] how did you open the file? [14:23] I assume you typed something in a terminal window.. [14:23] what did you type? :) [14:23] sudo nano /etc/apache2/site-available/default - my password here [14:24] Kami: so you put your password on the same line as sudo? [14:24] or did you do: [14:24] sudo nano /etc/apache2/site-available/default [14:24] and then it asked for your password and you entered it [14:24] You made a typo in the file name -- it's "sites-available" (plural "sites"), hence you're editing a non-existent file [14:24] which shows up empty in the editor [14:26] M - right about the typo, I got the second option where I was asked for my password on another line [14:26] as I said, I just want to save the modifications and use geany as default as opposed to gnu nano 2.2.6 [14:26] good :) you should never have to type your password on a command line [14:27] you could use 'sudo geany /etc/apache2/etc.etc.' [14:27] instead of 'sudo nano' [14:28] shouldn't you use gksudo ? ? [14:28] no [14:28] I rarely use gui apps now a days [14:28] nano isn't a gui app so sudo is fine [14:28] I use a web browser and terminals :) [14:28] and rhythmbox [14:28] m - ok thanks. Why am I not able to save the file ? [14:28] AlanBell: bug geany might be [14:28] No he wants for Geany AlanBell [14:28] ah, ok [14:29] Kami: because the directory /etc/apache2/site-available does not exist, you have to save in a directory that exists [14:30] M - I have the file in front of me - with the right content - so shouldn't I be able to save the changes ? [14:30] you can, but not into a directory that doesn't exist [14:31] the bit I find curious is that "The file on disk may now be truncated!" is a geany error message, not a nano one [14:32] wow ... so even though a directory does not exist, it opens a file inside that dir with the exact same content as a file in another directory ? [14:32] in nano you just get no write permission turning up at the bottom just above the menu [14:32] Kami: no, it should be fine [14:33] [ Read 36 lines (Warning: No write permission) ] is what you should see in nano if you open the file without sudo access [14:33] and it should be able to save it if you do have sudo access [14:33] ah [14:34] is the directory mounted in a strange way? [14:34] so Kami isn't telling us the whole story :) [14:34] like it is mounted over sshfs or something? [14:34] AlanBell: I think he might have opened the file in geany (without sudo) [14:34] AlanBell: if you say that's a geany error... [14:35] M - I did not create the directory and I did not create the file. It's def a geany problem since I don't know the gnu command to save modifications of a file [14:35] right, so go to the directory and do gksudo geany default [14:36] and it will work, if you don't start geany with root permissions you will get that error, which is a complete lie, nothing will be truncated [14:36] but that error is in the geany source code [14:38] I am sorry, I am a newbie, I will start from scratch, type sudo geany /etc/apache2/etc.etc.' - edit the file and try to save it. Does that make sense ? [14:38] gksudo geany /etc/apache2/sites-available/default [14:38] that will work [14:39] sudo will also work but gksudo pops up a nice window for the password and apparently prevents some problem that I have never encountered [14:41] you are right - it works - thanks very much - appreciated [14:41] any other tips for a newbie you feel like sharing ? [14:43] BigRedS: ello... [14:45] Kami, don't eat yellow snow. [14:46] ahahha good one tx [15:20] Hello again guys .. I just don't get why geany creates so many pbs: kami@ubuntu:/etc/apache2$ gksudo geany httpd.conf gives me an geany source code error, even though the file is there. Is there an easier editor to use ? [15:20] gedit ? [15:20] it opens an empty file [15:22] Gedit does ? [15:23] gksudo gedit httpd.conf does not work, it keeps looking for the file but nothing happens [15:24] trying using the whole file path, [15:24] I've just ran it fine here [15:24] gksudo gedit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf [15:24] yes, full path. [15:24] I rarely edit those sort of files with a ide though, normally use vi [15:26] I just don't understand .... it does not open the file but just hangs [15:27] You've entered the password and it opens ? [15:27] i get a gksudo 11411 gtk warning [15:29] So you have typed exactly this gksudo gedit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? [15:29] How about instead doing gksudo gedit and browsing to the directory and opening it that way ? [15:29] i get the warning, prompted for the password , enter the password, gedit opens an empty file which just hangs [15:30] Works the latter way just as well [15:31] I must have killed too many processes because it just keeps on hanging [15:31] Reboot and start afresh, works fine on all my systems [15:31] you're probably right, thanks. === lan3y is now known as Laney [16:09] * awilkins just uses sudo vim === Azelphur_ is now known as Azelphur [16:29] yo [16:29] * jacobw is hopeless vimmer === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === MattJ100 is now known as MattJ === MattJ is now known as Guest61229 [18:13] Hey everyone [18:16] Hey xnox [18:17] Voicedictation is pretty cool on an irc client [18:17] knightnexus: hola [18:18] hownae you dude [18:18] Tryin out an android linix client here [18:19] Irc client [18:20] Swipe yo swo [18:20] Swipe to switch channels is cool [18:20] Srry bout the typos === sam_nazarko is now known as Guest92481 === MattJ100 is now known as MattJ [18:55] popey: so I'm hitting [18:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1045268 [18:55] Ubuntu bug 1045268 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextRaiseCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid] [18:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1041466 [18:55] Ubuntu bug 1041466 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextPrepareCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid] [18:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1028060 [18:55] Ubuntu bug 1028060 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextPrepareCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,Invalid] [18:55] but it keeps being marked as invalid any idea how I can get it looked at as my chrome has crashed a lot today with this same bug being opened [18:57] yo! === lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 [19:04] czajkowski, sorted [19:04] apport won't be able to retrace from the PPA package [19:05] czajkowski, if you file any more which look like they might be webapps related, change the 'affects' to libunity-webapps, or ping us (or ken) and we can look at it [19:05] also, can you list what ppas you have in use? [19:06] sure can do [19:06] how do I do that ? [19:06] cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | pastebinit [19:06] assuming you have package pastebinit installed :) [19:06] actually [19:06] change that:- [19:07] cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | pastebinit [19:07] k [19:08] genius [19:10] let me make it unprivate [19:10] popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libunity-webapps/+bug/1050564 [19:10] Ubuntu bug 1050564 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in UnityWebappsContextRaiseCallback_dispatcher()" [Undecided,New] [19:21] happy thursday evening everyone [19:49] http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/57f0/ [19:49] want [19:57] two bee [20:39] popey: can sky do http://cheezburger.com/34419969 [20:40] haha [20:43] so want a pug :/ [20:43] and I have a name and all picked for it [20:44] but just cant have one now :( [20:51] but... they're _so_ fugly [20:52] :( [20:52] wrinkly and cute [20:52] pugs have weird breathing issues too i think [20:52] and small and cuddly [20:53] mattt: yes [20:53] they are cute tho :) [20:54] breathing issues and I think hip joint ones too, if they're bred for small size [20:54] though I might be mixing that up [20:57] xnox: ever tried using the installer with orca? [20:57] bung a cd in, turn the monitor off, wait for the drums and hit Ctrl+s [20:58] then get to the end of ubiquity without turning the monitor back on [20:58] AlanBell: I fixed the high-contrast a11y theming bug which is very old.... do I get any points?! =) [20:59] +1 point for xnox [20:59] AlanBell: you can actually see the prepare page & manual partitioning now [20:59] AlanBell: see arent you glad I told you xnox was in here now :) [21:00]