[03:32] <bkerensa> lulz
[03:32] <bkerensa> "Thank you for calling Mozilla. You are currently the only one in this conference"
[04:11] <pleia2> 11 people were at the Ubuntu Hour tonight :)
[04:12] <pleia2> had 4 Canonical guys drop in too, they were in town for a conference
[04:15] <greg-g> pleia2: awesome!
[04:17] <pleia2> they asked what we wanted in 13.04 and we said a flavor that uses CDE
[04:17] <pleia2> community people are a buncha trolls
[04:17] <pleia2> :)
[04:17] <pleia2> one guy did have some good feedback on how hard it is to find UI stuff in community participation links
[04:18] <pleia2> (aside from the fact that actually contributing to Unity borders on the impossible anyway)
[04:22] <greg-g> pleia2: zing
[04:22] <greg-g> oh double speak naming ;)
[04:22] <pleia2> lol
[04:22] <greg-g> "Clean Air Act" that allows more pollution, healthy forest act that allows more logging, and "Unity" that uhhh.... :P
[04:23] <pleia2> :)
[04:23] <greg-g> I'll stop trolling
[04:24] <greg-g> I did enough of that today at work
[04:24] <greg-g> (We've been internally debating on what to do wrt to NC and ND licenses at CC vis a vis our next version that'll be rolling out in December)
[04:25] <greg-g> There are calls from the Free Culture groups to deprecate them, and then the obvious cries of "don't take our security blanket!" from those who use it (you can tell which side I'm on, personally)
[04:26] <pleia2> yeah, they suck
[04:27] <pleia2> the licenses, not the people, I understand, I am sure they are nice people :)
[04:27] <pleia2> ND and NC just aren't free, so...
[04:28] <pleia2> and people think they are free because they are part of CC, it's very confusing to people
[04:29]  * pleia2 runs downstairs to give some ubuntu cds to sameer for sfsu sfd tomorrow \o/
[04:33] <greg-g> awesome!
[04:33] <greg-g> and yeah, that's exactly one of the issues we as CC face with NC/ND
[04:34] <greg-g> "I'm a part of free culture, I use a CC license!" "no you're not, you used a crappy license"
[04:34] <greg-g> ;)
[04:34] <greg-g> This is not official opinion from CC, btw, all those who might read this
[05:23] <bkerensa> pleia2: so I think Ubuntu will have a hard time competing with a Ubuntu Phone
[05:23] <bkerensa> I got to see the new Mozilla OS on 7 different phones and they are way further ahead then Canonical
[05:23] <bkerensa> with the new iPhone 5, Androids and this Mozilla OS project its going to be tight for another phone :)
[05:24] <bkerensa> fingers crossed though... I would love to buy a Ubuntu Phone
[05:26] <akk> How about an ubuntu or mozilla OS e-reader? There's a big hole in the market for a general-purpose e-reader that isn't oriented around letting one bookstore sucking your credit card dry.
[16:37] <pleia2> bkerensa: all personal computers are having a hard time competing with regular smart phones, my mother gave up her computer for her android almost a year ago
[16:37] <pleia2> she does email, facebook and sometimes reads news and weather, her phone does all that
[16:38] <pleia2> I don't see a problem, it probably makes sense for a lot of people not to have big beige boxes in their homes :)
[16:51] <pleia2> paulproteus: you know fun, silly people, find someone to come with me to https://www.calacademy.org/events/sleepovers/ on 9/21 :)
[16:51] <darthrobot`> Title: [Academy Sleepovers | California Academy of Sciences]
[18:53] <pleia2> paulproteus: also, we don't have a speaker for BALUG (on Tuesday!), any of your openhatch folks want to come out? :)
[19:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: ahh no I mean a Ubuntu Phone competing in the crowded market.... I believe we are supposed to see the first phones this cycle or next? I cannot remember the cycle Mark said.
[19:15] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh, I see
[19:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: I mean I don't see how Ubuntu Phone could compete with Android, iPhone, Mozilla OS Phone
[19:16] <bkerensa> The Mozilla OS phone is kind of genius since its faster than android though!
[19:16] <bkerensa> :D
[19:16] <pleia2> I don't have an opinion or idea at all there (was contacted by a journalist the other day asking for my opinion too)
[19:16] <bkerensa> the Mozilla OS phone is a super stripped down android base with everything written in HTML5 on top
[19:17] <bkerensa> :D
[19:17] <pleia2> in my world iPhones are hard to use and I manage to crash something every time I touch them, I don't like phones
[19:17] <pleia2> so I'm absolutely the wrong person to ask :)
[19:17] <bkerensa> :D
[19:18] <pleia2> I've also been an only-linux user for over 10 years, so I am completely out of touch with how normal people do things
[19:25] <akk> :)
[19:28] <bkerensa> pleia2: heh :) normal people get sleep... akgraner asked me if I had yet got sleep last night at 3:45am
[19:28] <bkerensa> :D
[19:30] <akk> I haven't had much chance to play with iphones, but I tend to break/crash things when I try to use "easy to use" macs.
[19:30] <akk> (windows too, but that's normal, even windows users can't use windows :)
[19:33] <bkerensa> akk: I just get epic frustrated when it comes to windows... the only reason I ever have to work with it is because my fiancee or a relative needs help
[19:34] <bkerensa> last week I did a win7 re-install and it started telling my fiancee our copy was counterfeit
[19:34] <bkerensa> =/
[19:34] <akk> lovely!
[19:34]  * bkerensa shook fist and rambled at fiancee about how this was an example of why we need no proprietary software in our home
[19:34] <bkerensa> :D
[19:35] <akk> We're having proprietary sw problems too -- Amazon keeps deleting Mom's Kindle books from her Android.
[19:35] <akk> Last time, they told her to restore them by de-authorizing the device, re-installing Kindle for Android, re-authorizing it and re-downloading all her books.
[19:36] <pleia2> bkerensa: I actually do sleep :)
[19:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: :P I wish I could I truly do
[19:42] <pleia2> yay, 2 of the 3 things I ordered for my Raspberry Pi are now "Out for Delivery" \o/
[19:43] <akk> yay!
[19:43] <pleia2> unfortunately those 2 things are the case (not required) and power cable (I can just use my phone one), not the SD card :)
[19:44] <akk> whoa, http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2012/09/13/107635/woolly_mammoth_tooth_found_in_downtown_san_francisco
[19:44] <darthrobot`> Title: [Woolly Mammoth Tooth Found in Downtown San Francisco | KQED Public Media for Northern CA]
[19:44] <akk> pleia2: Aren't there like a zillion places near you to buy an SD card?
[19:45] <akk> I mean, I know SF is a less techy and tougher place to live than the south bay, but still ... :)
[19:45] <pleia2> akk: yeah, but I got 16G ones through an amazon reseller for $5 each
[19:45] <pleia2> no shipping
[19:45] <akk> Good deal!
[19:45] <pleia2> yeah :)
[19:45] <akk> What are you going to put on the Pi that takes 16G?
[19:45] <pleia2> probably nothing, but the 8G ones weren't cheaper
[19:46] <akk> You don't have a stack of 2-4G SD cards sitting around at all times? Is that just me?
[19:48] <pleia2> all I have is an 8G for my camera
[19:49] <pleia2> I might actually put the 8G in the Pi and bring the two 16G with my on my upcoming trips
[19:49] <pleia2> s/my on my/me on my
[19:49] <pleia2> for my camera
[19:51] <akk> I'd probably do it that way. Not that I've ever come close to filling the 4G that's currently in my camera. :)
[19:51] <akk> (I upload photos every night, when I'm on a trip)
[19:52] <pleia2> I'm going to Ghana for 2 weeks, coming home for 46 hours and then going to Copenhagen for UDS
[19:53] <pleia2> so it will be an unusually large picture time :)
[19:53] <pleia2> and I'm only bringing my netbook to Ghana, it only has a 16G drive itself
[19:54] <akk> Ha, just checked and my biggest trip so far totals 3.1G of photos. But that's not 2 weeks in Ghana either.
[19:55] <akk> d carries an external drive to back up photos when traveling with his small-SSD netbook.
[19:56] <pleia2> nice
[19:57] <akk> I should probably back mine up to something -- I usually figure a laptop HD is more reliable than an SD card, but really no single storage device is reliable.
[19:57] <akk> (of course I do back up files occasionally after I get home)
[19:58] <pleia2> I upload them to a private server while traveling if I have the bandwidth, but that's getting increasingly rare (usually only when I'm staying with people)
[19:58] <pleia2> at hotels you can barely check email half the time :\
[20:00] <akk> Yeah, I'd never try uploading a day's worth of full-res photos over a motel connection.
[20:12] <bkerensa> akk: WAT 2.1G
[20:12] <bkerensa> thats crazy
[20:12] <bkerensa> =/
[20:12] <bkerensa> 3.1G*
[20:13] <akk> What's crazy?
[20:16] <pleia2> looks like my biggest was 3.7G (vacation in Ireland)
[20:17] <bkerensa> akk: Thats just massive.... The most I have get in a trip is 500meg?
[20:18] <bkerensa> what resolution do you set your camera to? I think I am at 10M
[20:18] <akk> I get 500M from a big single day.
[20:18] <akk> Mine is 10mp too (the travel camera; I have a 12mp SLR but I seldom take that on trips).
[20:18] <pleia2> mine is 8mp
[20:19] <pleia2> I've been considering one of the expensive point and shoots that has lenses
[20:20] <pleia2> (DSLR is unreasonable for me to carry)
[20:20] <bkerensa> So mine goes up to 14M I think
[20:20] <bkerensa> but my biggest issue is my digital takes way to long to take photos
[20:20] <bkerensa> I want to get a DSLR
[20:20] <akk> Big day in London a few years ago: 453M for 182 shots.
[20:21] <akk> Newer digitals have gotten faster at taking shots, though there's still a startup delay.
[20:21] <pleia2> my phone has gotten slower taking photos :\
[20:21] <pleia2> it's really annoying
[20:21] <pleia2> upgrades--
[20:21] <bkerensa> lol
[20:22] <bkerensa> I have a Samsung SH100 which is from last year it sucks =/
[20:22] <akk> My android tablet takes okay photos, but it's not flexible at all, no viewfinder, zoom, flash, control of focus etc.
[20:22] <bkerensa> hmm
[20:22] <akk> It's strictly for emergencies, doesn't replace a real camera.
[20:22] <bkerensa> I am getting a Kindle Fire HD next week... I wonder how its photo quality will be
[20:23] <akk> The bigger something is, the harder it is to use it as a camera. (My android tab is 5", much smaller than a Fire.)
[20:23] <pleia2> oh yeah, they took zoom out of my android camera too, that was also annoying
[20:23] <pleia2> the internet tells me there is a different camera app that has zoom
[20:24] <pleia2> neat
[20:24] <akk> I've thought about the small replaceable-lens cameras, but most of them don't seem to have very good control over things like focus.
[20:24] <akk> To me, the big win of a DSLR is that I have complete control over focus -- it's better at focusing, I can control how it does it, and if I'm still not happy, I can focus manually.
[20:25] <pleia2> yeah, sometimes I have to re-autofocus like 5 times to get it to focus on the proper thing in the shot on my point&shoot
[20:25] <akk> Well, also that I can use a telephoto, but if that was the only issue the small 12x cameras are great.
[20:25] <akk> Sometimes I just give up on focusing on what I want, sometimes on macros I have to resort to tricks, like holding my hand in the frame, prefocusing, then removing the hand.
[20:26] <akk> The DSLR is much smarter: I can tell it to focus only on the center spot, and then it does that.
[20:27]  * pleia2 nods
[20:29] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/sMJ5P.jpg
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[20:29] <bkerensa> :D
[20:29] <pleia2> hah :)
[20:30] <bkerensa> pleia2: it tracks beer costs and when they run low
[20:30] <bkerensa> :D