| ochosi | call for testing: please – those of you who have a VM or some way of testing 12.10 – please test our gtk themes from git | 10:37 |
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| ochosi | there'll be an upload tomorrow and it would be nice to have everything in order for beta2 | 10:37 |
| smartboyhw | Where is it? | 10:39 |
| ochosi | github.com/shimmerproject/ | 10:39 |
| smartboyhw | Ah the shimmer project | 10:39 |
| ochosi | there you can download all the themes | 10:39 |
| smartboyhw | Er which one is it? | 10:39 |
| ochosi | albatross, greybird, bluebird and blackbird | 10:40 |
| smartboyhw | I mean which one you want me to test? I can't test all:) | 10:40 |
| ochosi | why not? :) | 10:40 |
| ochosi | actually testing all would be what is needed | 10:40 |
| smartboyhw | Piff ok | 10:40 |
| ochosi | well if you can't, you can't | 10:40 |
| ochosi | but that's what i'm looking for | 10:41 |
| ochosi | also, be sure to change the window-manager theme accordingly | 10:41 |
| ochosi | just to be sure, that those work as well | 10:41 |
| smartboyhw | :) | 10:41 |
| smartboyhw | How to install?!!?!/ | 10:41 |
| smartboyhw | ochosi: I'm no good in themes:) | 10:42 |
| ochosi | download the tarball, unpack to /home/$user/.themes | 10:43 |
| ochosi | create the folder if it doesn't exist | 10:43 |
| smartboyhw | OK | 10:43 |
| smartboyhw | Er!? I git cloned it | 10:44 |
| ochosi | that's also fine | 10:44 |
| ochosi | you can git clone the dirs into .themes directly or create a symlink | 10:45 |
| smartboyhw | So just copy the dir into .themes? OK | 10:45 |
| ochosi | g2g now, bb | 10:51 |
| ochosi | l | 10:51 |
| olbi | hello | 11:10 |
| olbi | where I could change language text in Xubuntu slide show? | 11:11 |
| smartboyhw | Hi mrpouit | 11:41 |
| knome | smartboyhw, do you have something you should discuss with mr pouit? | 11:42 |
| smartboyhw | No... | 11:44 |
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| olbi | Why in Session File there isn't Reboot? | 12:31 |
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| === therealnanotube is now known as nanotube | ||
| GridCube | knome, maybe i've lost a meeting or two or some mails, but its the desicion about droping alternate isos taken? | 14:05 |
| GridCube | should i add a question about that to the faq? | 14:05 |
| ochosi | knome: i think we should at least consider shipping geary (mailclient) in 13.04 | 14:10 |
| GridCube | ochosi, its there any topic you think i should adress on the faq? | 14:18 |
| ochosi | GridCube: you mean to http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ ? | 14:19 |
| GridCube | yes | 14:19 |
| ochosi | well specifically in 12.10 we might have to address the regressions | 14:19 |
| ochosi | messaging-menu will be gone | 14:19 |
| GridCube | ochosi, ok ill add an entry for it on the draft im making at the xubuntu.org wordpress | 14:20 |
| ochosi | cool | 14:22 |
| ochosi | i'll think whether there's more | 14:22 |
| GridCube | :) | 14:23 |
| GridCube | ochosi, if you can drop some knowledge there it will be really helpful | 14:23 |
| ochosi | about the messaging-menu or anything else as well? | 14:23 |
| elfy | is messaging menu going to make a triumphant return at any point? | 14:24 |
| GridCube | anything you think is important | 14:24 |
| ochosi | elfy: i think as soon as we have a gtk3 panel, so... | 14:24 |
| elfy | okey doke - ty ochosi | 14:25 |
| GridCube | or a tip you might have to make people happy :P | 14:25 |
| ochosi | heh, o | 14:25 |
| ochosi | k | 14:25 |
| GridCube | :) | 14:25 |
| ochosi | do you have a draft for the 12.10 version yet? | 14:25 |
| elfy | is the doubling of partition icons going to be fixed? - if not that might be a thing to tell people | 14:26 |
| GridCube | ochosi, i've just drafted it | 14:26 |
| ochosi | elfy: no clue, haven't really followed that bug | 14:27 |
| ochosi | GridCube: i guess the themes should all work now pretty perfectly, so #9 from the 12.04 faq won't have to be repeated for 12.10 | 14:27 |
| elfy | it's very annoying - almost enough to make think about coding lol | 14:27 |
| elfy | but I don't complain as I can't code - so I report bugs and wait :) | 14:28 |
| GridCube | i dont think we have repeated a question in neither of the awesome 2 faqs we have :P | 14:28 |
| ochosi | heh | 14:28 |
| ochosi | actually i think they're really useful | 14:28 |
| ochosi | was reading them for the first time now | 14:28 |
| GridCube | :) | 14:29 |
| elfy | ooh - I found something out - the thunar slow deal - if you run gksudo thunar - it's even slower, if you run gksu-properties and change screen grabbing mode to disable - it's normal speed | 14:35 |
| elfy | now whether than does anything else I've not noticed | 14:36 |
| bluesabre | btw, ochosi, checking out Geary, and I agree that we should consider it for R. It looks good and feels pretty darn snappy :D | 17:14 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: there are still a few issues with it, but i hope they'll get sorted till the next release (0.2= | 17:49 |
| bluesabre | Yeah. I'm working on the display dialog atm :D | 17:49 |
| ochosi | oh, cool | 17:50 |
| ochosi | where are you at? | 17:50 |
| ochosi | btw, i can ask nick for git access so we can push a branch there | 17:52 |
| bluesabre | Right now I'm just updated the glade files to add what we want. | 17:53 |
| ochosi | sounds good | 17:53 |
| ochosi | do you wanna create a todo-list so we can split tasks or shall we just hack away? | 17:55 |
| ochosi | (i guess for my contributions i'll have to wait till we have git access anyway since you started already :) ) | 17:55 |
| bluesabre | Wireless died | 18:06 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Do you have those fancy minimal view images on hand? | 18:06 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: minimal view? | 18:19 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: the 128s from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=minimal.png | 18:20 |
| ochosi | oh right | 18:20 |
| ochosi | i'll dig them u | 18:20 |
| ochosi | p | 18:20 |
| ochosi | do you want them with the border and bg, or just the icons on transparent bg? | 18:21 |
| ochosi | (i still have the svg, so however you prefer) | 18:21 |
| bluesabre | transparent bg, or I can use the ones that I just stole from your screenshot | 18:21 |
| bluesabre | :D | 18:21 |
| ochosi | heh | 18:21 |
| ochosi | just a sec, i'll send them | 18:22 |
| bluesabre | ok | 18:22 |
| Sysi | there aren't usable icons in icon themes? (hardcoding icons doesn't seem like best solution) | 18:23 |
| ochosi | Sysi: no, not for this | 18:23 |
| ochosi | this is a bit too specific | 18:23 |
| ochosi | but feel free to check the freedesktop.org icon spce | 18:23 |
| ochosi | soec | 18:23 |
| ochosi | gah | 18:23 |
| ochosi | specification | 18:23 |
| Sysi | spec doesn't really matter if there's exactly one icon theme with those icons | 18:24 |
| ochosi | but if it's not in the spec, then it _does_ matter | 18:24 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Well, I can at least make it look right in glade :) | 18:25 |
| bluesabre | http://imagebin.org/228317 | 18:25 |
| ochosi | cool | 18:25 |
| ochosi | that's exactly how i pictured it | 18:26 |
| ochosi | maybe add a cancel button | 18:26 |
| ochosi | just in case someone doesn't want to use the secondary display | 18:26 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i think i'll redraw those icons just to be sure | 18:30 |
| ochosi | i'm not happy with how they're scaling here | 18:30 |
| bluesabre | Sure thing | 18:30 |
| ochosi | also: we need a desaturated version of it when a display is switched off | 18:31 |
| ochosi | (if we do the fancy version of the display dialog) | 18:31 |
| GridCube | what program are you using bluesabre ? dia? | 18:32 |
| bluesabre | GridCube glade? | 18:32 |
| GridCube | oh | 18:32 |
| GridCube | D: will look at it | 18:33 |
| bluesabre | Glade is pretty handy | 18:33 |
| bluesabre | although it's probably 1000x less crashy with gtk3 | 18:33 |
| ochosi | heh | 18:34 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: In your mockup, what does "Presentation Mode" do? | 18:38 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: supposedly it switches off the screensaver etc | 18:38 |
| bluesabre | oh god | 18:38 |
| ochosi | ;) | 18:38 |
| ochosi | we'll see | 18:39 |
| ochosi | i think the power-manager first needs an update for that | 18:39 |
| ochosi | (i mean it does have a presentation mode, but no dbus interface to change modes afaik) | 18:41 |
| Morroque | Wow. Xubuntu is going to have multiscreen support? | 19:02 |
| knome | Morroque, what do you mean? xubuntu has supported multiple screens since the first world war at least | 19:03 |
| Morroque | Huh. I never came across it. | 19:03 |
| Morroque | Oh well. Something new learned every day, ar. | 19:03 |
| * knome is using 2 screens with xubuntu right now | 19:04 | |
| knome | don't tell me we don't support it! :) | 19:04 |
| Morroque | I probably would be doing the same myself, provided I can figure out where my one HDMI cable got to. | 19:04 |
| knome | mmh, good luck in the searchings | 19:05 |
| Sysi | may the odds be ever in your favor | 19:07 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: almost done with completely redrawing it | 19:09 |
| Unit193 | SkippersBoss: Hah. | 19:23 |
| Unit193 | Bleh, not SkippersBoss, Sysi... | 19:23 |
| SkippersBoss | xcuse ?? | 19:26 |
| * SkippersBoss here | 19:26 | |
| Unit193 | Wrong tab-complete, sorry mate. | 19:27 |
| SkippersBoss | aha | 19:27 |
| SkippersBoss | I ve used that excuse b4 | 19:28 |
| SkippersBoss | ;) | 19:28 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: File-roller having two levels of menus isn't a theme glitch, I'd guess. | 19:40 |
| ochosi | Unit193: screenshot? | 19:40 |
| Unit193 | http://unit193.ninth.su/file-roller.png | 19:44 |
| Unit193 | (I mean, happens in BB and AB) | 19:47 |
| ochosi | Unit193: is that in 12.10? | 19:49 |
| Unit193 | Yes sir. | 19:49 |
| ochosi | oh lord | 19:50 |
| ochosi | gtk3 is kicking our asses | 19:50 |
| ochosi | i fear this might be the gmenu of gnome3 | 19:50 |
| Unit193 | Ewwww... BlueB looks bad with that... | 19:51 |
| Unit193 | You (really( want people to see the default button in Grey. | 19:56 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Last I checked, file-roller was the only gtk3 app doing that. maybe it's in transition to just be app menu? | 20:01 |
| ochosi | that would be even worse i guess | 20:01 |
| bluesabre | lol | 20:01 |
| ochosi | then we really need to push sarts and cavalier to finish squeeze | 20:02 |
| bluesabre | btw, display-setting builds with the new glade files at least, gotta add and tweak the functionality now | 20:03 |
| ochosi | coolio | 20:03 |
| ochosi | and btw, we already have push access to xfce git | 20:04 |
| ochosi | so feel free to push :) | 20:04 |
| ochosi | then i can also update the icons myself | 20:04 |
| Unit193 | Now it{s just the two annoying errors. | 20:06 |
| ochosi | Unit193: did you notice any other theme problems in 12.10? | 20:07 |
| Unit193 | Theme'wise_ Not that I saw. Just did evince, abiword, and file'roller though. | 20:10 |
| ochosi | ok, thanks for lookig | 20:12 |
| ochosi | looking | 20:12 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: If I made a new git branch locally, switched to it, changed and committed, when I push, will it push my new branch? | 20:17 |
| ochosi | yeah, it should | 20:18 |
| ochosi | although the syntax should be git push origin $branch | 20:19 |
| ochosi | (iirc) | 20:19 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: do you think i should add numbers to the screens? | 20:20 |
| ochosi | or is it self-explanatory enough as is | 20:20 |
| bluesabre | numbers might help | 20:21 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: that didn't work for me | 20:21 |
| bluesabre | Could you create a branch that I can checkout and push to? | 20:22 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.ukikie.tk/?a4dbc5a1e8ec7d77#TUxlwf6XFAYlFLaTvLoJZ/i8CVWAV3xsfd694MjONts= Two errors, one pasted twice. | 20:22 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: okies, one sec | 20:22 |
| bluesabre | I'm probably doing something wrong | 20:24 |
| pnarciso | hey ppl | 20:24 |
| bluesabre | hiya pnarciso | 20:24 |
| ochosi | hi | 20:25 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: did you clone the repo via ssh:// or git:// ? | 20:25 |
| bluesabre | git clone ssh://git@git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings | 20:26 |
| ochosi | hmm | 20:26 |
| ochosi | that should be fine then | 20:26 |
| bluesabre | git branch bluesabre/display-settings | 20:26 |
| bluesabre | tweaks | 20:26 |
| bluesabre | ^ not tweaks | 20:26 |
| bluesabre | git checkout bluesabre/display-settings | 20:26 |
| ochosi | heh | 20:26 |
| ochosi | was just about to say... | 20:26 |
| bluesabre | git commit -m "..." | 20:26 |
| bluesabre | tweaks before that commit actually | 20:27 |
| ochosi | hehe | 20:27 |
| bluesabre | I suck at documenting my history | 20:27 |
| ochosi | yeah, i get it ;:) | 20:27 |
| bluesabre | git push | 20:27 |
| pnarciso | so, what are you guys discussing | 20:27 |
| bluesabre | Everything up-to-date | 20:27 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: git push origin bluesabre/display-settings | 20:27 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: improving xfce's display dialog | 20:28 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: starting to implement this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors | 20:28 |
| bluesabre | yay! | 20:28 |
| bluesabre | http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/log/?h=bluesabre/display-settings | 20:28 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: congrats ;) | 20:28 |
| pnarciso | I had a triple monitor system a few months back, but I've switched to single 27 " monitor | 20:31 |
| pnarciso | The support in linux back then was very bad | 20:31 |
| pnarciso | Dunno if it's improved | 20:31 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: have you already replaced the mirror icon? | 20:31 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: well you're referring to the drivers i assume, we're talking about configuration dialogs | 20:32 |
| pnarciso | ok | 20:32 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: not yet | 20:33 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: k, then i'll do it | 20:33 |
| knome | hey micahg :) | 20:38 |
| micahg | hi knome | 20:42 |
| knome | image sizes looking definitely better :) | 20:42 |
| Unit193 | cheese has some nasy depends, I don{t think we can include as is, though it isn{t quite as bad with no'install'recommends. camorama isn{t as bad with only needing 6719K installed. | 20:42 |
| knome | Unit193, ONLY 6.7MB? you crazy... | 20:42 |
| micahg | no new apps this cycle please :) | 20:42 |
| knome | Unit193, and your apostrophes fail | 20:43 |
| Unit193 | knome: vs 52.9 with cheese no recommends. I know, that{s not all. | 20:43 |
| Unit193 | micahg: Juuust looking at he specs. | 20:43 |
| knome | micahg, we're still going to drop a few wallpapers with another update to the current wallpapers, so let's see how close we are then... | 20:43 |
| knome | micahg, probably good with dropping another game or two | 20:44 |
| knome | micahg, or something similar... | 20:44 |
| SkippersBoss | who is doing that dual hea thing | 20:44 |
| knome | SkippersBoss, what do you mean with "doing" ? | 20:45 |
| knome | using dual monitors, or working on the monitor dialog? | 20:45 |
| SkippersBoss | the roadmap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors | 20:46 |
| SkippersBoss | Saw it come by earlier | 20:46 |
| ochosi | SkippersBoss: i wrote it and bluesabre and me are starting to implement parts of it now | 20:46 |
| knome | astraljava was at least working on it, but he's been quite inactive lately... | 20:46 |
| SkippersBoss | Ah ok | 20:47 |
| knome | right | 20:47 |
| knome | ochosi, for R i imagine? ;) | 20:47 |
| ochosi | knome: no, for xfce ;) | 20:47 |
| knome | aha | 20:47 |
| knome | so, R... | 20:48 |
| SkippersBoss | very interested in how this is getting along as i currently have some difficulties with my dual head setup | 20:48 |
| SkippersBoss | :-) | 20:48 |
| ochosi | knome: nah, not really interested in the release-pressure this time | 20:48 |
| knome | :P | 20:48 |
| SkippersBoss | gotcha | 20:48 |
| knome | well, i'm sure it'll be ready for R if you already started :P | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | knome: shall we do a meeting on wednesday? | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | just for fun | 20:48 |
| knome | pleia2, "just for laughs" ? | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | that too | 20:49 |
| knome | well yeah, i suppose that'd work. | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll put it on the calendar | 20:49 |
| knome | thanks | 20:49 |
| knome | also want to announce it on mailing list? | 20:49 |
| knome | i can update twitter | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | sure | 20:50 |
| knome | thanks | 20:50 |
| knome | i believe 15UTC is still our time | 20:50 |
| knome | :) | 20:50 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:51 | |
| knome | micahg, if you could attend the meeting next wednesday at 15UTC, we could do last minute changes to the seed if needed | 20:53 |
| micahg | yeah, should be fine | 20:53 |
| knome | we got to do good testing for b2 | 20:54 |
| knome | ok, great | 20:54 |
| * micahg will be off Mon and Tue though | 20:54 | |
| knome | i will make sure i can attend too | 20:54 |
| knome | np, we can always bugger mrpouit meanwhile (: | 20:54 |
| pleia2 | I'll be MIA on Monday too (and the following Wednesday, 26th) | 20:55 |
| bluesabre | heading out, bbl | 20:58 |
| pleia2 | knome: btw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2012-September/016827.html | 20:59 |
| pleia2 | note the "it rarely works to push merges or other changes through at the last minute" :) | 20:59 |
| knome | heh | 20:59 |
| knome | yeah | 20:59 |
| knome | i know | 20:59 |
| knome | that's why i usually push them overtime, so much less crowd then | 20:59 |
| * knome hides | 20:59 | |
| pleia2 | hahaha | 21:00 |
| pleia2 | no cookie | 21:00 |
| knome | well yeah, i should lose weight anyway | 21:00 |
| knome | pleia2, so, is that guy from the -doc mailing list @ irc? | 21:03 |
| pleia2 | Jun 29 22:05:30 2012 (10 weeks, 5 days, 22:59:18 ago) | 21:04 |
| pleia2 | not so much | 21:04 |
| pleia2 | he's Rocket2DMn when he does log on though | 21:05 |
| knome | meh :( | 21:05 |
| pleia2 | jbicha is pretty much the de facto leader these days, he's on irc | 21:05 |
| knome | you could point him to our current progress | 21:05 |
| pleia2 | I think mdke is the proper leader, but he's super busy | 21:05 |
| knome | https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs | 21:05 |
| pleia2 | sweet | 21:06 |
| knome | you could also pull that yourself | 21:06 |
| knome | i can help building, if you have time | 21:06 |
| pleia2 | I have 24 minutes | 21:06 |
| pleia2 | let's go | 21:06 |
| knome | (it's really easy...) | 21:06 |
| knome | ok | 21:06 |
| knome | bzr branch lp:~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs | 21:06 |
| pleia2 | got that part :) | 21:07 |
| knome | sudo apt-get install gnome-doc-utils docbook docbook-utils | 21:07 |
| knome | then go to the branch and run 'make' | 21:07 |
| knome | after that, look at build/ | 21:07 |
| knome | tbe, build/index.html in a browser | 21:07 |
| knome | so at least it builds, and i think i'm quite good with docbook syntax already... | 21:08 |
| pleia2 | file:///home/elizabeth/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/build/index.html :) | 21:08 |
| knome | the only thing i'm completely baffled is how the translations are supposed to work | 21:08 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I haven't a clue when it comes to translations | 21:08 |
| knome | so that's something i need help with | 21:09 |
| knome | and also | 21:09 |
| knome | "how will this work on a real installation" | 21:09 |
| knome | pleia2, see desktop-guide/guide-keeping-safe/C/guide-keeping-safe.xml | 21:11 |
| pleia2 | someone makes xubuntu-docs into a package and xubuntu-docs gets updated | 21:11 |
| knome | (in a text editor | 21:11 |
| knome | ) | 21:11 |
| pleia2 | ok | 21:12 |
| knome | if you are at all at home with x(ht)ml, you'll be quite home with docbook too | 21:12 |
| knome | the syntax is the same, just different tags | 21:12 |
| knome | which you can pick up relatively fast | 21:13 |
| pleia2 | there was a reason I never told you that my first foss contribution was writing documentation in docbook for bitlbee | 21:13 |
| knome | haha... | 21:13 |
| knome | well, we might need your help >:) | 21:13 |
| pleia2 | allllright | 21:13 |
| knome | not because i'm not *able* to do it, but we might be a bit short on time | 21:13 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 21:13 |
| knome | no hurry yet, but maybe we can do an etherpad-based hacking session | 21:14 |
| pleia2 | ok | 21:14 |
| knome | so you kind of lied to us all | 21:14 |
| knome | awwh! :D | 21:14 |
| knome | :) | 21:14 |
| pleia2 | nah :) | 21:15 |
| pleia2 | it's XML so I look at what is there and duplicate it in other sections | 21:15 |
| knome | yep | 21:15 |
| knome | so, when should we have the first session? | 21:16 |
| knome | tomorrow works pretty much all day for me, if you're up to it... | 21:17 |
| pleia2 | I suppose I can wake up at 15:00 UTC and spend an hour | 21:17 |
| knome | is that 5am for you? :D | 21:18 |
| pleia2 | 8 | 21:18 |
| knome | oh, ok | 21:18 |
| knome | then i suppose i can let you do that | 21:18 |
| * pleia2 sets alarm for 7:55 | 21:18 | |
| knome | i'll try to be around too | 21:18 |
| knome | that's one of the times i'm not 110% sure if i'm at home | 21:18 |
| pleia2 | ok | 21:18 |
| knome | we should actually look first through the new reviews and need-reviews | 21:23 |
| knome | i could try to do it before going to sleep | 21:24 |
| knome | or tomorrow daytime | 21:24 |
| knome | http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout is my checklist | 21:24 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll try to summon the energy to look too | 21:25 |
| knome | i could probably just go ahead now... | 21:25 |
| pleia2 | what's "Sub:"? | 21:25 |
| knome | it's explained in the top :P | 21:25 |
| pleia2 | oh | 21:25 |
| knome | "submitted for review by" | 21:25 |
| pleia2 | neato | 21:25 |
| knome | so, that person can't review it | 21:25 |
| knome | obviously.. | 21:25 |
| pleia2 | gotcha | 21:26 |
| knome | ok, it should be up to date now | 21:29 |
| knome | pleia2, i suppose section 3 is at least relatively fine for docbook conversion | 21:34 |
| Unit193 | Are the docs for GUI only, at least generally? | 21:46 |
| knome | yeah | 21:47 |
| Unit193 | Alright, thought was new dist release, do-release-upgrade, buuut. | 21:49 |
| knome | GridCube, re: alternate images: the decision was made because not enough arguments for were raised, and nobody wasn't too worried about losing them | 22:02 |
| Unit193 | Man, I hate wikis... | 22:03 |
| GridCube | ok. care to write a formal explanation or do you want me to do it and then review it, so i can add something consistent to the FAQ? | 22:03 |
| knome | the official explanation: | 22:04 |
| knome | not able to maintain them with this manpower, and most of their features are already available in desktop for 12.10 (only RAID missing) | 22:05 |
| knome | and; | 22:05 |
| GridCube | ok | 22:06 |
| knome | if ubiquity doesn't work for you, please file a bug and we can get started with sorting out the problems with that and your hardware | 22:06 |
| knome | and for alternative solutions: | 22:06 |
| knome | there's also the minimal iso and netboot | 22:06 |
| GridCube | i just dont want to write something that can bring us problems later :) | 22:06 |
| knome | heh | 22:07 |
| knome | i can/will naturally review what you wrote | 22:07 |
| knome | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-August/008393.html | 22:07 |
| knome | you probably know that, but that's the thread to follow | 22:08 |
| Unit193 | "Connecting to servers" should maybe s/servers/shares/ and pretty sure I'm not supposed to make comments on the page, like I just did... http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Upgrading%20from%20an%20older%20version%20of%20Xubuntu#preview | 22:08 |
| knome | Unit193, just edit the page to read correctly | 22:09 |
| knome | Unit193, it's a collaborative effort anyway | 22:09 |
| ochosi | hm, so meeting on wednesday | 22:33 |
| knome | yeah | 22:33 |
| ochosi | well finally there's one thing we don't have to carry on (compositor off in ubiquity) | 22:33 |
| knome | hehe | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | :) | 22:33 |
| ochosi | so the doc-stuff is also coming to an end? | 22:33 |
| knome | ochosi, we're going to destroy the doc-land. | 22:34 |
| knome | so, yeah | 22:34 |
| knome | we should be in a relatively good shape before the meeting | 22:34 |
| knome | if we're not, some liquid material might end up in my pants | 22:35 |
| ochosi | heh | 22:37 |
| ochosi | so docs for beta2? | 22:38 |
| knome | or non-liquid too | 22:38 |
| knome | yeah, the doc freeze is sep 20 | 22:38 |
| ochosi | btw, i think the themes are ready to be uploaded | 22:38 |
| ochosi | Unit193 was kind enough to test them a bit | 22:38 |
| ochosi | and me and satya also did our homework | 22:38 |
| knome | tell that to our lovely mr. pouit | 22:38 |
| ochosi | so hopefully that's it for this release | 22:39 |
| ochosi | mrpouit: green light on uploading the themes, they've all gotten new (bugfix-)tags | 22:39 |
| ochosi | knome, pleia2: could you quickly compare two icons for me? | 22:49 |
| knome | ochosi, if it doesn't mean installing 100 packages and pushing 50 repositories and building Xorg and friends, yeah | 22:51 |
| knome | s/pushing/pulling/ | 22:51 |
| ochosi | no, just a simple opinion | 22:51 |
| ochosi | :) | 22:51 |
| ochosi | http://imagebin.org/228360 | 22:51 |
| ochosi | which one is better, left or right | 22:51 |
| knome | what's it supposed to be depicting? | 22:52 |
| ochosi | (this is with context: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09142012-125216am.php ) | 22:52 |
| knome | without numbers | 22:52 |
| ochosi | and why? | 22:53 |
| knome | cleaner, and the numbers aren't exactly making it more understandable | 22:53 |
| knome | (not less understandable either) | 22:53 |
| ochosi | well they should indicate what is the primary and what is the secondary monitor | 22:53 |
| ochosi | i think that makes at least some sense | 22:53 |
| knome | then make the non-primary monitor a bit less saturated | 22:54 |
| knome | if you want to specifically point that out | 22:54 |
| ochosi | hm, yeah, not sure, it's already larger | 22:54 |
| ochosi | (mainly because i assume that usually the external display you connect will be physically larger | 22:55 |
| ochosi | ) | 22:55 |
| knome | yeah, i don't mind it being the same | 22:55 |
| knome | but if you want to make a difference between the monitors | 22:55 |
| knome | or add a "star"/"blink" to the right-top corner | 22:56 |
| knome | for the "new" monitor | 22:56 |
| ochosi | humm | 22:57 |
| ochosi | sry, don't see that working out :) | 22:57 |
| knome | ok | 22:57 |
| knome | i told my opinion already then ;) | 22:58 |
| ochosi | heh, yep, thanks | 22:58 |
| ochosi | knome: what do you generally think about getting a real dock for the next release? (instead of the launcher-panel) | 23:09 |
| knome | ochosi, i don't like docks | 23:09 |
| ochosi | why do we have something alike a dock, just less powerful, in xubuntu then? | 23:09 |
| knome | ochosi, now, after that honest comment, do you want an opinion that you wanted to hear? | 23:09 |
| knome | :) | 23:09 |
| knome | i don't know. | 23:10 |
| knome | i've been playing with non-100%-wide panels lately, and i think i like these | 23:10 |
| ochosi | phu, now that's something _i_ never liked :) | 23:10 |
| ochosi | it always made me feel like losing screen-estate | 23:10 |
| ochosi | in the empty areas | 23:10 |
| knome | well | 23:10 |
| ochosi | if only the xfce panel had intelli-hide | 23:11 |
| knome | if you have 90% panel | 23:11 |
| knome | you can move the mouse to the extreme corner and right-click | 23:11 |
| knome | ta-dah, there's your app menu | 23:11 |
| knome | (i know, lousy) | 23:11 |
| knome | but i use it like that | 23:11 |
| knome | and you'll always have some space where to use the scrollmouse to change workspaces | 23:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, sounds ok, but not as a default setting | 23:11 |
| knome | yeah, i'm fine with full-width panels too | 23:12 |
| ochosi | some ppl might consider the workspace-switching a bug :} | 23:12 |
| knome | i know | 23:12 |
| ochosi | anyway, i don't see the advantage | 23:12 |
| ochosi | but hey, whatever works for you | 23:12 |
| knome | hehe | 23:12 |
| knome | well, it looks visually nice | 23:12 |
| knome | i don't know why | 23:12 |
| knome | maybe i just always need to see some blue on my monitor? | 23:13 |
| ochosi | i proposed something different recently | 23:13 |
| knome | i probably saw that, but dismissed for a reason or another | 23:13 |
| ochosi | something like the wingpanel design elementary-folks proposed | 23:13 |
| knome | xnox, hey | 23:13 |
| knome | xnox, would you kindly set your nickserv pass as the server pass? ;) | 23:13 |
| xnox | knome: why? | 23:15 |
| knome | xnox, you're joining with three lines | 23:15 |
| pnarciso | adding a real dock would be nice, if there were a real dock that won't rely on composite | 23:15 |
| knome | 02:13 » xnox [~dmitrij@cpc4-slam5-2-0-cust14.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #xubuntu-devel | 23:15 |
| knome | xnox, that ^ | 23:15 |
| knome | 02:13 » xnox [~dmitrij@cpc4-slam5-2-0-cust14.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] | 23:15 |
| knome | 02:13 » xnox [~dmitrij@ubuntu/member/xnox] has joined #xubuntu-devel | 23:15 |
| * xnox meh | 23:15 | |
| knome | xnox, if you set the nickserv pass as the server pass, you'll be identified before joining channels, and that wouldn't happen | 23:16 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: good point. i sometimes forget about that... | 23:16 |
| knome | xnox, and you wouldn't need scripts to register | 23:16 |
| ochosi | now you scared him off | 23:17 |
| knome | hah | 23:17 |
| knome | i'm sure... | 23:17 |
| ochosi | i'd really love channel tab-autocomplete after /join in irssi | 23:17 |
| ochosi | oho! fancy one-line join! | 23:17 |
| ochosi | welcome back xnox | 23:18 |
| * xnox pretends to be cool and all that jazz =) | 23:18 | |
| xnox | knome: thanks. | 23:18 |
| knome | xnox, thank you, and no problem :) | 23:18 |
| xnox | I have all those joins & parts, aways and nick changes removed from the output. too much noise =) | 23:18 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: How do you mean? I can autocomplete after I've joined them. | 23:18 |
| xnox | knome: but I can see how annoying it can be =) | 23:19 |
| ochosi | xnox: btw, are you interested in xubuntu or just hanging our here for fun? | 23:19 |
| xnox | not interested in xubuntu at all. | 23:19 |
| knome | xnox, yeah, sometimes it actually means 5 or even 6 lines (if you are in a terminal with 80 width) | 23:19 |
| xnox | it's purely social for me | 23:19 |
| ochosi | Unit193: yeah, autocomplete on join after having joined is kinda redundant | 23:19 |
| knome | ochosi, add the channels to the channel list, and you'll have autocomplete | 23:20 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Not as much as you'd think, it's an easy way to switch to the window and say the channel. | 23:20 |
| xnox | I like chatting with pleia2 and other cool folks =) | 23:20 |
| ochosi | xnox: yeah, ppl here tend to be nicer than in other channels 0:) | 23:20 |
| knome | xnox, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for chatting, btw ;) | 23:20 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i just use alt+$n for switching | 23:20 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Can't do that as well with 70 windows, though there is a handy bunch of aliases. | 23:21 |
| knome | Unit193, you probably should cut down on the stalking. and move to -ot :) | 23:21 |
| ochosi | Unit193: good point, lucky i only have ~15 | 23:21 |
| pleia2 | xnox fixes ubiquity, that's cool | 23:22 |
| ochosi | yeah, i know :) | 23:22 |
| ochosi | but only since a short while, when i started sniffing around ubiquity myself | 23:22 |
| ochosi | that's why i secretly hoped he _would_ be in fact interested in xubuntu... we need more of the cool kids! :} | 23:23 |
| knome | secretly, yeah right | 23:24 |
| knome | we all saw through you | 23:24 |
| knome | but we still should move to -ot | 23:24 |
| ochosi | i only whispered it into my protecting unicorn's ear, i swear... | 23:24 |
| * ochosi packs his stuff | 23:25 | |
| ochosi | it's too late to work for real anyway | 23:25 |
| knome | heh, you still at work? :P | 23:25 |
| knome | or were you referring to -devel only | 23:25 |
| ochosi | i | 23:25 |
| ochosi | 'm at the home-office ;) | 23:25 |
| knome | (this isn't work, this is slavery) | 23:25 |
| knome | don't forget that | 23:25 |
| ochosi | brb | 23:25 |
| xnox | Home Office that's posh it's all of the UK government =) | 23:26 |
| knome | i have a home office too, and i even have a london tube map hanging on the wall ;) | 23:27 |
| * knome brb too | 23:27 | |
| knome | smartboyhw, you too: set your nickserv pass as the server pass | 23:30 |
| knome | smartboyhw, you'll avoid three-line joins | 23:30 |
| knome | 02:28 » smartboyhw [~smartboyh@n112118156212.netvigator.com] has joined #xubuntu-devel | 23:30 |
| knome | 02:28 » smartboyhw [~smartboyh@n112118156212.netvigator.com] has quit [Changing host] | 23:30 |
| knome | 02:28 » smartboyhw [~smartboyh@sii/smartboyhw] has joined #xubuntu-devel | 23:30 |
| smartboyhw | Now everybody is shooting at me about passwd and I have been killling myself on how to set up sasl | 23:30 |
| knome | knome == everybody ?? | 23:31 |
| smartboyhw | not only you magte | 23:31 |
| pleia2 | knome: you really need to go on that diet | 23:31 |
| smartboyhw | Also in #ubuntuforums | 23:31 |
| knome | pleia2, haha... well said | 23:31 |
| smartboyhw | diet? | 23:31 |
| knome | smartboyhw, as in lose weight | 23:32 |
| smartboyhw | Oh alright....I need to go on a diet too, I'm overweighted | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | it's only a problem when you start being mistaken for everybody | 23:32 |
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