[10:37] call for testing: please – those of you who have a VM or some way of testing 12.10 – please test our gtk themes from git [10:37] there'll be an upload tomorrow and it would be nice to have everything in order for beta2 [10:39] Where is it? [10:39] github.com/shimmerproject/ [10:39] Ah the shimmer project [10:39] there you can download all the themes [10:39] Er which one is it? [10:40] albatross, greybird, bluebird and blackbird [10:40] I mean which one you want me to test? I can't test all:) [10:40] why not? :) [10:40] actually testing all would be what is needed [10:40] Piff ok [10:40] well if you can't, you can't [10:41] but that's what i'm looking for [10:41] also, be sure to change the window-manager theme accordingly [10:41] just to be sure, that those work as well [10:41] :) [10:41] How to install?!!?!/ [10:42] ochosi: I'm no good in themes:) [10:43] download the tarball, unpack to /home/$user/.themes [10:43] create the folder if it doesn't exist [10:43] OK [10:44] Er!? I git cloned it [10:44] that's also fine [10:45] you can git clone the dirs into .themes directly or create a symlink [10:45] So just copy the dir into .themes? OK [10:51] g2g now, bb [10:51] l [11:10] hello [11:11] where I could change language text in Xubuntu slide show? [11:41] Hi mrpouit [11:42] smartboyhw, do you have something you should discuss with mr pouit? [11:44] No... === mips1911 is now known as mips [12:31] Why in Session File there isn't Reboot? === micahg_ is now known as micahg === therealnanotube is now known as nanotube [14:05] knome, maybe i've lost a meeting or two or some mails, but its the desicion about droping alternate isos taken? [14:05] should i add a question about that to the faq? [14:10] knome: i think we should at least consider shipping geary (mailclient) in 13.04 [14:18] ochosi, its there any topic you think i should adress on the faq? [14:19] GridCube: you mean to http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ ? [14:19] yes [14:19] well specifically in 12.10 we might have to address the regressions [14:19] messaging-menu will be gone [14:20] ochosi, ok ill add an entry for it on the draft im making at the xubuntu.org wordpress [14:22] cool [14:22] i'll think whether there's more [14:23] :) [14:23] ochosi, if you can drop some knowledge there it will be really helpful [14:23] about the messaging-menu or anything else as well? [14:24] is messaging menu going to make a triumphant return at any point? [14:24] anything you think is important [14:24] elfy: i think as soon as we have a gtk3 panel, so... [14:25] okey doke - ty ochosi [14:25] or a tip you might have to make people happy :P [14:25] heh, o [14:25] k [14:25] :) [14:25] do you have a draft for the 12.10 version yet? [14:26] is the doubling of partition icons going to be fixed? - if not that might be a thing to tell people [14:26] ochosi, i've just drafted it [14:27] elfy: no clue, haven't really followed that bug [14:27] GridCube: i guess the themes should all work now pretty perfectly, so #9 from the 12.04 faq won't have to be repeated for 12.10 [14:27] it's very annoying - almost enough to make think about coding lol [14:28] but I don't complain as I can't code - so I report bugs and wait :) [14:28] i dont think we have repeated a question in neither of the awesome 2 faqs we have :P [14:28] heh [14:28] actually i think they're really useful [14:28] was reading them for the first time now [14:29] :) [14:35] ooh - I found something out - the thunar slow deal - if you run gksudo thunar - it's even slower, if you run gksu-properties and change screen grabbing mode to disable - it's normal speed [14:36] now whether than does anything else I've not noticed [17:14] btw, ochosi, checking out Geary, and I agree that we should consider it for R. It looks good and feels pretty darn snappy :D [17:49] bluesabre: there are still a few issues with it, but i hope they'll get sorted till the next release (0.2= [17:49] Yeah. I'm working on the display dialog atm :D [17:50] oh, cool [17:50] where are you at? [17:52] btw, i can ask nick for git access so we can push a branch there [17:53] Right now I'm just updated the glade files to add what we want. [17:53] sounds good [17:55] do you wanna create a todo-list so we can split tasks or shall we just hack away? [17:55] (i guess for my contributions i'll have to wait till we have git access anyway since you started already :) ) [18:06] Wireless died [18:06] ochosi: Do you have those fancy minimal view images on hand? [18:19] bluesabre: minimal view? [18:20] ochosi: the 128s from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=minimal.png [18:20] oh right [18:20] i'll dig them u [18:20] p [18:21] do you want them with the border and bg, or just the icons on transparent bg? [18:21] (i still have the svg, so however you prefer) [18:21] transparent bg, or I can use the ones that I just stole from your screenshot [18:21] :D [18:21] heh [18:22] just a sec, i'll send them [18:22] ok [18:23] there aren't usable icons in icon themes? (hardcoding icons doesn't seem like best solution) [18:23] Sysi: no, not for this [18:23] this is a bit too specific [18:23] but feel free to check the freedesktop.org icon spce [18:23] soec [18:23] gah [18:23] specification [18:24] spec doesn't really matter if there's exactly one icon theme with those icons [18:24] but if it's not in the spec, then it _does_ matter [18:25] ochosi: Well, I can at least make it look right in glade :) [18:25] http://imagebin.org/228317 [18:25] cool [18:26] that's exactly how i pictured it [18:26] maybe add a cancel button [18:26] just in case someone doesn't want to use the secondary display [18:30] bluesabre: i think i'll redraw those icons just to be sure [18:30] i'm not happy with how they're scaling here [18:30] Sure thing [18:31] also: we need a desaturated version of it when a display is switched off [18:31] (if we do the fancy version of the display dialog) [18:32] what program are you using bluesabre ? dia? [18:32] GridCube glade? [18:32] oh [18:33] D: will look at it [18:33] Glade is pretty handy [18:33] although it's probably 1000x less crashy with gtk3 [18:34] heh [18:38] ochosi: In your mockup, what does "Presentation Mode" do? [18:38] bluesabre: supposedly it switches off the screensaver etc [18:38] oh god [18:38] ;) [18:39] we'll see [18:39] i think the power-manager first needs an update for that [18:41] (i mean it does have a presentation mode, but no dbus interface to change modes afaik) [19:02] Wow. Xubuntu is going to have multiscreen support? [19:03] Morroque, what do you mean? xubuntu has supported multiple screens since the first world war at least [19:03] Huh. I never came across it. [19:03] Oh well. Something new learned every day, ar. [19:04] * knome is using 2 screens with xubuntu right now [19:04] don't tell me we don't support it! :) [19:04] I probably would be doing the same myself, provided I can figure out where my one HDMI cable got to. [19:05] mmh, good luck in the searchings [19:07] may the odds be ever in your favor [19:09] bluesabre: almost done with completely redrawing it [19:23] SkippersBoss: Hah. [19:23] Bleh, not SkippersBoss, Sysi... [19:26] xcuse ?? [19:26] * SkippersBoss here [19:27] Wrong tab-complete, sorry mate. [19:27] aha [19:28] I ve used that excuse b4 [19:28] ;) [19:40] ochosi: File-roller having two levels of menus isn't a theme glitch, I'd guess. [19:40] Unit193: screenshot? [19:44] http://unit193.ninth.su/file-roller.png [19:47] (I mean, happens in BB and AB) [19:49] Unit193: is that in 12.10? [19:49] Yes sir. [19:50] oh lord [19:50] gtk3 is kicking our asses [19:50] i fear this might be the gmenu of gnome3 [19:51] Ewwww... BlueB looks bad with that... [19:56] You (really( want people to see the default button in Grey. [20:01] ochosi: Last I checked, file-roller was the only gtk3 app doing that. maybe it's in transition to just be app menu? [20:01] that would be even worse i guess [20:01] lol [20:02] then we really need to push sarts and cavalier to finish squeeze [20:03] btw, display-setting builds with the new glade files at least, gotta add and tweak the functionality now [20:03] coolio [20:04] and btw, we already have push access to xfce git [20:04] so feel free to push :) [20:04] then i can also update the icons myself [20:06] Now it{s just the two annoying errors. [20:07] Unit193: did you notice any other theme problems in 12.10? [20:10] Theme'wise_ Not that I saw. Just did evince, abiword, and file'roller though. [20:12] ok, thanks for lookig [20:12] looking [20:17] ochosi: If I made a new git branch locally, switched to it, changed and committed, when I push, will it push my new branch? [20:18] yeah, it should [20:19] although the syntax should be git push origin $branch [20:19] (iirc) [20:20] bluesabre: do you think i should add numbers to the screens? [20:20] or is it self-explanatory enough as is [20:21] numbers might help [20:21] ochosi: that didn't work for me [20:22] Could you create a branch that I can checkout and push to? [20:22] http://paste.ukikie.tk/?a4dbc5a1e8ec7d77#TUxlwf6XFAYlFLaTvLoJZ/i8CVWAV3xsfd694MjONts= Two errors, one pasted twice. [20:22] bluesabre: okies, one sec [20:24] I'm probably doing something wrong [20:24] hey ppl [20:24] hiya pnarciso [20:25] hi [20:25] bluesabre: did you clone the repo via ssh:// or git:// ? [20:26] git clone ssh://git@git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings [20:26] hmm [20:26] that should be fine then [20:26] git branch bluesabre/display-settings [20:26] tweaks [20:26] ^ not tweaks [20:26] git checkout bluesabre/display-settings [20:26] heh [20:26] was just about to say... [20:26] git commit -m "..." [20:27] tweaks before that commit actually [20:27] hehe [20:27] I suck at documenting my history [20:27] yeah, i get it ;:) [20:27] git push [20:27] so, what are you guys discussing [20:27] Everything up-to-date [20:27] bluesabre: git push origin bluesabre/display-settings [20:28] pnarciso: improving xfce's display dialog [20:28] pnarciso: starting to implement this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors [20:28] yay! [20:28] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/log/?h=bluesabre/display-settings [20:28] bluesabre: congrats ;) [20:31] I had a triple monitor system a few months back, but I've switched to single 27 " monitor [20:31] The support in linux back then was very bad [20:31] Dunno if it's improved [20:31] bluesabre: have you already replaced the mirror icon? [20:32] pnarciso: well you're referring to the drivers i assume, we're talking about configuration dialogs [20:32] ok [20:33] ochosi: not yet [20:33] bluesabre: k, then i'll do it [20:38] hey micahg :) [20:42] hi knome [20:42] image sizes looking definitely better :) [20:42] cheese has some nasy depends, I don{t think we can include as is, though it isn{t quite as bad with no'install'recommends. camorama isn{t as bad with only needing 6719K installed. [20:42] Unit193, ONLY 6.7MB? you crazy... [20:42] no new apps this cycle please :) [20:43] Unit193, and your apostrophes fail [20:43] knome: vs 52.9 with cheese no recommends. I know, that{s not all. [20:43] micahg: Juuust looking at he specs. [20:43] micahg, we're still going to drop a few wallpapers with another update to the current wallpapers, so let's see how close we are then... [20:44] micahg, probably good with dropping another game or two [20:44] micahg, or something similar... [20:44] who is doing that dual hea thing [20:45] SkippersBoss, what do you mean with "doing" ? [20:45] using dual monitors, or working on the monitor dialog? [20:46] the roadmap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors [20:46] Saw it come by earlier [20:46] SkippersBoss: i wrote it and bluesabre and me are starting to implement parts of it now [20:46] astraljava was at least working on it, but he's been quite inactive lately... [20:47] Ah ok [20:47] right [20:47] ochosi, for R i imagine? ;) [20:47] knome: no, for xfce ;) [20:47] aha [20:48] so, R... [20:48] very interested in how this is getting along as i currently have some difficulties with my dual head setup [20:48] :-) [20:48] knome: nah, not really interested in the release-pressure this time [20:48] :P [20:48] gotcha [20:48] well, i'm sure it'll be ready for R if you already started :P [20:48] knome: shall we do a meeting on wednesday? [20:48] just for fun [20:49] pleia2, "just for laughs" ? [20:49] that too [20:49] well yeah, i suppose that'd work. [20:49] ok, I'll put it on the calendar [20:49] thanks [20:49] also want to announce it on mailing list? [20:49] i can update twitter [20:50] sure [20:50] thanks [20:50] i believe 15UTC is still our time [20:50] :) [20:51] * pleia2 nods [20:53] micahg, if you could attend the meeting next wednesday at 15UTC, we could do last minute changes to the seed if needed [20:53] yeah, should be fine [20:54] we got to do good testing for b2 [20:54] ok, great [20:54] * micahg will be off Mon and Tue though [20:54] i will make sure i can attend too [20:54] np, we can always bugger mrpouit meanwhile (: [20:55] I'll be MIA on Monday too (and the following Wednesday, 26th) [20:58] heading out, bbl [20:59] knome: btw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2012-September/016827.html [20:59] note the "it rarely works to push merges or other changes through at the last minute" :) [20:59] heh [20:59] yeah [20:59] i know [20:59] that's why i usually push them overtime, so much less crowd then [20:59] * knome hides [21:00] hahaha [21:00] no cookie [21:00] well yeah, i should lose weight anyway [21:03] pleia2, so, is that guy from the -doc mailing list @ irc? [21:04] Jun 29 22:05:30 2012 (10 weeks, 5 days, 22:59:18 ago) [21:04] not so much [21:05] he's Rocket2DMn when he does log on though [21:05] meh :( [21:05] jbicha is pretty much the de facto leader these days, he's on irc [21:05] you could point him to our current progress [21:05] I think mdke is the proper leader, but he's super busy [21:05] https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs [21:06] sweet [21:06] you could also pull that yourself [21:06] i can help building, if you have time [21:06] I have 24 minutes [21:06] let's go [21:06] (it's really easy...) [21:06] ok [21:06] bzr branch lp:~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs [21:07] got that part :) [21:07] sudo apt-get install gnome-doc-utils docbook docbook-utils [21:07] then go to the branch and run 'make' [21:07] after that, look at build/ [21:07] tbe, build/index.html in a browser [21:08] so at least it builds, and i think i'm quite good with docbook syntax already... [21:08] file:///home/elizabeth/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/build/index.html :) [21:08] the only thing i'm completely baffled is how the translations are supposed to work [21:08] yeah, I haven't a clue when it comes to translations [21:09] so that's something i need help with [21:09] and also [21:09] "how will this work on a real installation" [21:11] pleia2, see desktop-guide/guide-keeping-safe/C/guide-keeping-safe.xml [21:11] someone makes xubuntu-docs into a package and xubuntu-docs gets updated [21:11] (in a text editor [21:11] ) [21:12] ok [21:12] if you are at all at home with x(ht)ml, you'll be quite home with docbook too [21:12] the syntax is the same, just different tags [21:13] which you can pick up relatively fast [21:13] there was a reason I never told you that my first foss contribution was writing documentation in docbook for bitlbee [21:13] haha... [21:13] well, we might need your help >:) [21:13] allllright [21:13] not because i'm not *able* to do it, but we might be a bit short on time [21:13] yeah [21:14] no hurry yet, but maybe we can do an etherpad-based hacking session [21:14] ok [21:14] so you kind of lied to us all [21:14] awwh! :D [21:14] :) [21:15] nah :) [21:15] it's XML so I look at what is there and duplicate it in other sections [21:15] yep [21:16] so, when should we have the first session? [21:17] tomorrow works pretty much all day for me, if you're up to it... [21:17] I suppose I can wake up at 15:00 UTC and spend an hour [21:18] is that 5am for you? :D [21:18] 8 [21:18] oh, ok [21:18] then i suppose i can let you do that [21:18] * pleia2 sets alarm for 7:55 [21:18] i'll try to be around too [21:18] that's one of the times i'm not 110% sure if i'm at home [21:18] ok [21:23] we should actually look first through the new reviews and need-reviews [21:24] i could try to do it before going to sleep [21:24] or tomorrow daytime [21:24] http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout is my checklist [21:25] ok, I'll try to summon the energy to look too [21:25] i could probably just go ahead now... [21:25] what's "Sub:"? [21:25] it's explained in the top :P [21:25] oh [21:25] "submitted for review by" [21:25] neato [21:25] so, that person can't review it [21:25] obviously.. [21:26] gotcha [21:29] ok, it should be up to date now [21:34] pleia2, i suppose section 3 is at least relatively fine for docbook conversion [21:46] Are the docs for GUI only, at least generally? [21:47] yeah [21:49] Alright, thought was new dist release, do-release-upgrade, buuut. [22:02] GridCube, re: alternate images: the decision was made because not enough arguments for were raised, and nobody wasn't too worried about losing them [22:03] Man, I hate wikis... [22:03] ok. care to write a formal explanation or do you want me to do it and then review it, so i can add something consistent to the FAQ? [22:04] the official explanation: [22:05] not able to maintain them with this manpower, and most of their features are already available in desktop for 12.10 (only RAID missing) [22:05] and; [22:06] ok [22:06] if ubiquity doesn't work for you, please file a bug and we can get started with sorting out the problems with that and your hardware [22:06] and for alternative solutions: [22:06] there's also the minimal iso and netboot [22:06] i just dont want to write something that can bring us problems later :) [22:07] heh [22:07] i can/will naturally review what you wrote [22:07] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-August/008393.html [22:08] you probably know that, but that's the thread to follow [22:08] "Connecting to servers" should maybe s/servers/shares/ and pretty sure I'm not supposed to make comments on the page, like I just did... http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Upgrading%20from%20an%20older%20version%20of%20Xubuntu#preview [22:09] Unit193, just edit the page to read correctly [22:09] Unit193, it's a collaborative effort anyway [22:33] hm, so meeting on wednesday [22:33] yeah [22:33] well finally there's one thing we don't have to carry on (compositor off in ubiquity) [22:33] hehe [22:33] :) [22:33] so the doc-stuff is also coming to an end? [22:34] ochosi, we're going to destroy the doc-land. [22:34] so, yeah [22:34] we should be in a relatively good shape before the meeting [22:35] if we're not, some liquid material might end up in my pants [22:37] heh [22:38] so docs for beta2? [22:38] or non-liquid too [22:38] yeah, the doc freeze is sep 20 [22:38] btw, i think the themes are ready to be uploaded [22:38] Unit193 was kind enough to test them a bit [22:38] and me and satya also did our homework [22:38] tell that to our lovely mr. pouit [22:39] so hopefully that's it for this release [22:39] mrpouit: green light on uploading the themes, they've all gotten new (bugfix-)tags [22:49] knome, pleia2: could you quickly compare two icons for me? [22:51] ochosi, if it doesn't mean installing 100 packages and pushing 50 repositories and building Xorg and friends, yeah [22:51] s/pushing/pulling/ [22:51] no, just a simple opinion [22:51] :) [22:51]