[10:37] <ochosi> call for testing: please – those of you who have a VM or some way of testing 12.10 – please test our gtk themes from git
[10:37] <ochosi> there'll be an upload tomorrow and it would be nice to have everything in order for beta2
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Where is it?
[10:39] <ochosi> github.com/shimmerproject/
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Ah the shimmer project
[10:39] <ochosi> there you can download all the themes
[10:39] <smartboyhw> Er which one is it?
[10:40] <ochosi> albatross, greybird, bluebird and blackbird
[10:40] <smartboyhw> I mean which one you want me to test? I can't test all:)
[10:40] <ochosi> why not? :)
[10:40] <ochosi> actually testing all would be what is needed
[10:40] <smartboyhw> Piff ok
[10:40] <ochosi> well if you can't, you can't
[10:41] <ochosi> but that's what i'm looking for
[10:41] <ochosi> also, be sure to change the window-manager theme accordingly
[10:41] <ochosi> just to be sure, that those work as well
[10:41] <smartboyhw> :)
[10:41] <smartboyhw> How to install?!!?!/
[10:42] <smartboyhw> ochosi: I'm no good in themes:)
[10:43] <ochosi> download the tarball, unpack to /home/$user/.themes
[10:43] <ochosi> create the folder if it doesn't exist
[10:43] <smartboyhw> OK
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Er!? I git cloned it
[10:44] <ochosi> that's also fine
[10:45] <ochosi> you can git clone the dirs into .themes directly or create a symlink
[10:45] <smartboyhw> So just copy the dir into .themes? OK
[10:51] <ochosi> g2g now, bb
[10:51] <ochosi> l
[11:10] <olbi> hello
[11:11] <olbi> where I could change language text in Xubuntu slide show?
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Hi mrpouit
[11:42] <knome> smartboyhw, do you have something you should discuss with mr pouit?
[11:44] <smartboyhw> No...
[12:31] <olbi> Why in Session File there isn't Reboot?
[14:05] <GridCube> knome, maybe i've lost a meeting or two or some mails, but its the desicion about droping alternate isos taken?
[14:05] <GridCube> should i add a question about that to the faq?
[14:10] <ochosi> knome: i think we should at least consider shipping geary (mailclient) in 13.04
[14:18] <GridCube> ochosi, its there any topic you think i should adress on the faq?
[14:19] <ochosi> GridCube: you mean to http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ ?
[14:19] <GridCube> yes
[14:19] <ochosi> well specifically in 12.10 we might have to address the regressions
[14:19] <ochosi> messaging-menu will be gone
[14:20] <GridCube> ochosi, ok ill add an entry for it on the draft im making at the xubuntu.org wordpress
[14:22] <ochosi> cool
[14:22] <ochosi> i'll think whether there's more
[14:23] <GridCube> :) 
[14:23] <GridCube> ochosi, if you can drop some knowledge there it will be really helpful
[14:23] <ochosi> about the messaging-menu or anything else as well?
[14:24] <elfy> is messaging menu going to make a triumphant return at any point? 
[14:24] <GridCube> anything you think is important
[14:24] <ochosi> elfy: i think as soon as we have a gtk3 panel, so...
[14:25] <elfy> okey doke - ty ochosi 
[14:25] <GridCube> or a tip you might have to make people happy :P
[14:25] <ochosi> heh, o
[14:25] <ochosi> k
[14:25] <GridCube> :)
[14:25] <ochosi> do you have a draft for the 12.10 version yet?
[14:26] <elfy> is the doubling of partition icons going to be fixed? - if not that might be a thing to tell people 
[14:26] <GridCube> ochosi, i've just drafted it
[14:27] <ochosi> elfy: no clue, haven't really followed that bug
[14:27] <ochosi> GridCube: i guess the themes should all work now pretty perfectly, so #9 from the 12.04 faq won't have to be repeated for 12.10
[14:27] <elfy> it's very annoying - almost enough to make think about coding lol 
[14:28] <elfy> but I don't complain as I can't code - so I report bugs and wait :)
[14:28] <GridCube> i dont think we have repeated a question in neither of the awesome 2 faqs we have :P
[14:28] <ochosi> heh
[14:28] <ochosi> actually i think they're really useful
[14:28] <ochosi> was reading them for the first time now
[14:29] <GridCube> :)
[14:35] <elfy> ooh - I found something out - the thunar slow deal - if you run gksudo thunar - it's even slower, if you run gksu-properties and change screen grabbing mode to disable - it's normal speed
[14:36] <elfy> now whether than does anything else I've not noticed
[17:14] <bluesabre> btw, ochosi, checking out Geary, and I agree that we should consider it for R.  It looks good and feels pretty darn snappy :D
[17:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: there are still a few issues with it, but i hope they'll get sorted till the next release (0.2=
[17:49] <bluesabre> Yeah.  I'm working on the display dialog atm :D
[17:50] <ochosi> oh, cool
[17:50] <ochosi> where are you at?
[17:52] <ochosi> btw, i can ask nick for git access so we can push a branch there
[17:53] <bluesabre> Right now I'm just updated the glade files to add what we want.
[17:53] <ochosi> sounds good
[17:55] <ochosi> do you wanna create a todo-list so we can split tasks or shall we just hack away?
[17:55] <ochosi> (i guess for my contributions i'll have to wait till we have git access anyway since you started already :) )
[18:06] <bluesabre> Wireless died
[18:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: Do you have those fancy minimal view images on hand?
[18:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: minimal view?
[18:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: the 128s from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=minimal.png
[18:20] <ochosi> oh right
[18:20] <ochosi> i'll dig them u
[18:20] <ochosi> p
[18:21] <ochosi> do you want them with the border and bg, or just the icons on transparent bg?
[18:21] <ochosi> (i still have the svg, so however you prefer)
[18:21] <bluesabre> transparent bg, or I can use the ones that I just stole from your screenshot
[18:21] <bluesabre> :D
[18:21] <ochosi> heh
[18:22] <ochosi> just a sec, i'll send them
[18:22] <bluesabre> ok
[18:23] <Sysi> there aren't usable icons in icon themes? (hardcoding icons doesn't seem like best solution)
[18:23] <ochosi> Sysi: no, not for this
[18:23] <ochosi> this is a bit too specific
[18:23] <ochosi> but feel free to check the freedesktop.org icon spce
[18:23] <ochosi> soec
[18:23] <ochosi> gah
[18:23] <ochosi> specification
[18:24] <Sysi> spec doesn't really matter if there's exactly one icon theme with those icons
[18:24] <ochosi> but if it's not in the spec, then it _does_ matter
[18:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: Well, I can at least make it look right in glade :)
[18:25] <bluesabre> http://imagebin.org/228317
[18:25] <ochosi> cool
[18:26] <ochosi> that's exactly how i pictured it
[18:26] <ochosi> maybe add a cancel button
[18:26] <ochosi> just in case someone doesn't want to use the secondary display
[18:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think i'll redraw those icons just to be sure
[18:30] <ochosi> i'm not happy with how they're scaling here
[18:30] <bluesabre> Sure thing
[18:31] <ochosi> also: we need a desaturated version of it when a display is switched off
[18:31] <ochosi> (if we do the fancy version of the display dialog)
[18:32] <GridCube> what program are you using bluesabre ? dia?
[18:32] <bluesabre> GridCube glade?
[18:32] <GridCube> oh
[18:33] <GridCube> D: will look at it
[18:33] <bluesabre> Glade is pretty handy
[18:33] <bluesabre> although it's probably 1000x less crashy with gtk3
[18:34] <ochosi> heh
[18:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: In your mockup, what does "Presentation Mode" do?
[18:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: supposedly it switches off the screensaver etc
[18:38] <bluesabre> oh god
[18:38] <ochosi> ;)
[18:39] <ochosi> we'll see
[18:39] <ochosi> i think the power-manager first needs an update for that
[18:41] <ochosi> (i mean it does have a presentation mode, but no dbus interface to change modes afaik)
[19:02] <Morroque> Wow. Xubuntu is going to have multiscreen support?
[19:03] <knome> Morroque, what do you mean? xubuntu has supported multiple screens since the first world war at least
[19:03] <Morroque> Huh. I never came across it.
[19:03] <Morroque> Oh well. Something new learned every day, ar.
[19:04]  * knome is using 2 screens with xubuntu right now
[19:04] <knome> don't tell me we don't support it! :)
[19:04] <Morroque> I probably would be doing the same myself, provided I can figure out where my one HDMI cable got to.
[19:05] <knome> mmh, good luck in the searchings
[19:07] <Sysi> may the odds be ever in your favor
[19:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: almost done with completely redrawing it
[19:23] <Unit193> SkippersBoss: Hah.
[19:23] <Unit193> Bleh, not SkippersBoss, Sysi...
[19:26] <SkippersBoss> xcuse ??
[19:26]  * SkippersBoss here
[19:27] <Unit193> Wrong tab-complete, sorry mate.
[19:27] <SkippersBoss> aha
[19:28] <SkippersBoss> I ve used that excuse b4
[19:28] <SkippersBoss> ;)
[19:40] <Unit193> ochosi: File-roller having two levels of menus isn't a theme glitch, I'd guess.
[19:40] <ochosi> Unit193: screenshot?
[19:44] <Unit193> http://unit193.ninth.su/file-roller.png
[19:47] <Unit193> (I mean, happens in BB and AB)
[19:49] <ochosi> Unit193: is that in 12.10?
[19:49] <Unit193> Yes sir.
[19:50] <ochosi> oh lord
[19:50] <ochosi> gtk3 is kicking our asses
[19:50] <ochosi> i fear this might be the gmenu of gnome3
[19:51] <Unit193> Ewwww... BlueB looks bad with that...
[19:56] <Unit193> You (really( want people to see the default button in Grey.
[20:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: Last I checked, file-roller was the only gtk3 app doing that.  maybe it's in transition to just be app menu?
[20:01] <ochosi> that would be even worse i guess
[20:01] <bluesabre> lol
[20:02] <ochosi> then we really need to push sarts and cavalier to finish squeeze
[20:03] <bluesabre> btw, display-setting builds with the new glade files at least, gotta add and tweak the functionality now
[20:03] <ochosi> coolio
[20:04] <ochosi> and btw, we already have push access to xfce git
[20:04] <ochosi> so feel free to push :)
[20:04] <ochosi> then i can also update the icons myself
[20:06] <Unit193> Now it{s just the two annoying errors.
[20:07] <ochosi> Unit193: did you notice any other theme problems in 12.10?
[20:10] <Unit193> Theme'wise_  Not that I saw.  Just did evince, abiword, and file'roller though.
[20:12] <ochosi> ok, thanks for lookig
[20:12] <ochosi> looking
[20:17] <bluesabre> ochosi: If I made a new git branch locally, switched to it, changed and committed, when I push, will it push my new branch?
[20:18] <ochosi> yeah, it should
[20:19] <ochosi> although the syntax should be git push origin $branch
[20:19] <ochosi> (iirc)
[20:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you think i should add numbers to the screens?
[20:20] <ochosi> or is it self-explanatory enough as is
[20:21] <bluesabre> numbers might help
[20:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: that didn't work for me
[20:22] <bluesabre> Could you create a branch that I can checkout and push to?
[20:22] <Unit193> http://paste.ukikie.tk/?a4dbc5a1e8ec7d77#TUxlwf6XFAYlFLaTvLoJZ/i8CVWAV3xsfd694MjONts=  Two errors, one pasted twice.
[20:22] <ochosi> bluesabre: okies, one sec
[20:24] <bluesabre> I'm probably doing something wrong
[20:24] <pnarciso> hey ppl
[20:24] <bluesabre> hiya pnarciso
[20:25] <ochosi> hi
[20:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: did you clone the repo via ssh:// or git:// ?
[20:26] <bluesabre> git clone ssh://git@git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings
[20:26] <ochosi> hmm
[20:26] <ochosi> that should be fine then
[20:26] <bluesabre> git branch bluesabre/display-settings
[20:26] <bluesabre> tweaks
[20:26] <bluesabre> ^ not tweaks
[20:26] <bluesabre> git checkout bluesabre/display-settings
[20:26] <ochosi> heh
[20:26] <ochosi> was just about to say...
[20:26] <bluesabre> git commit -m "..."
[20:27] <bluesabre> tweaks before that commit actually
[20:27] <ochosi> hehe
[20:27] <bluesabre> I suck at documenting my history
[20:27] <ochosi> yeah, i get it ;:)
[20:27] <bluesabre> git push
[20:27] <pnarciso> so, what are you guys discussing
[20:27] <bluesabre> Everything up-to-date
[20:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: git push origin bluesabre/display-settings
[20:28] <ochosi> pnarciso: improving xfce's display dialog
[20:28] <ochosi> pnarciso: starting to implement this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors
[20:28] <bluesabre> yay!
[20:28] <bluesabre> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/log/?h=bluesabre/display-settings
[20:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: congrats ;)
[20:31] <pnarciso> I had a triple monitor system a few months back, but I've switched to single 27 " monitor
[20:31] <pnarciso> The support in linux back then was very bad
[20:31] <pnarciso> Dunno if it's improved
[20:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: have you already replaced the mirror icon?
[20:32] <ochosi> pnarciso: well you're referring to the drivers i assume, we're talking about configuration dialogs
[20:32] <pnarciso> ok
[20:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: not yet
[20:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: k, then i'll do it
[20:38] <knome> hey micahg :)
[20:42] <micahg> hi knome
[20:42] <knome> image sizes looking definitely better :)
[20:42] <Unit193> cheese has some nasy depends, I don{t think we can include as is, though it isn{t quite as bad with no'install'recommends.  camorama isn{t as bad with only needing 6719K installed.
[20:42] <knome> Unit193, ONLY 6.7MB? you crazy...
[20:42] <micahg> no new apps this cycle please :)
[20:43] <knome> Unit193, and your apostrophes fail
[20:43] <Unit193> knome: vs 52.9 with cheese no recommends. I know, that{s not all.
[20:43] <Unit193> micahg: Juuust looking at he specs.
[20:43] <knome> micahg, we're still going to drop a few wallpapers with another update to the current wallpapers, so let's see how close we are then...
[20:44] <knome> micahg, probably good with dropping another game or two
[20:44] <knome> micahg, or something similar...
[20:44] <SkippersBoss> who is doing that dual hea thing
[20:45] <knome> SkippersBoss, what do you mean with "doing" ?
[20:45] <knome> using dual monitors, or working on the monitor dialog?
[20:46] <SkippersBoss> the roadmap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/MultipleMonitors
[20:46] <SkippersBoss> Saw it come by earlier
[20:46] <ochosi> SkippersBoss: i wrote it and bluesabre and me are starting to implement parts of it now
[20:46] <knome> astraljava was at least working on it, but he's been quite inactive lately...
[20:47] <SkippersBoss> Ah ok
[20:47] <knome> right
[20:47] <knome> ochosi, for R i imagine? ;)
[20:47] <ochosi> knome: no, for xfce ;)
[20:47] <knome> aha
[20:48] <knome> so, R...
[20:48] <SkippersBoss> very interested in how this is getting along as i currently have some difficulties with my dual head setup
[20:48] <SkippersBoss> :-)
[20:48] <ochosi> knome: nah, not really interested in the release-pressure this time
[20:48] <knome> :P
[20:48] <SkippersBoss> gotcha
[20:48] <knome> well, i'm sure it'll be ready for R if you already started :P
[20:48] <pleia2> knome: shall we do a meeting on wednesday?
[20:48] <pleia2> just for fun
[20:49] <knome> pleia2, "just for laughs" ?
[20:49] <pleia2> that too
[20:49] <knome> well yeah, i suppose that'd work.
[20:49] <pleia2> ok, I'll put it on the calendar
[20:49] <knome> thanks
[20:49] <knome> also want to announce it on mailing list?
[20:49] <knome> i can update twitter
[20:50] <pleia2> sure
[20:50] <knome> thanks
[20:50] <knome> i believe 15UTC is still our time
[20:50] <knome> :)
[20:51]  * pleia2 nods
[20:53] <knome> micahg, if you could attend the meeting next wednesday at 15UTC, we could do last minute changes to the seed if needed
[20:53] <micahg> yeah, should be fine
[20:54] <knome> we got to do good testing for b2
[20:54] <knome> ok, great
[20:54]  * micahg will be off Mon and Tue though
[20:54] <knome> i will make sure i can attend too
[20:54] <knome> np, we can always bugger mrpouit meanwhile (:
[20:55] <pleia2> I'll be MIA on Monday too (and the following Wednesday, 26th)
[20:58] <bluesabre> heading out, bbl
[20:59] <pleia2> knome: btw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2012-September/016827.html
[20:59] <pleia2> note the "it rarely works to push merges or other changes through at the last minute" :)
[20:59] <knome> heh
[20:59] <knome> yeah
[20:59] <knome> i know
[20:59] <knome> that's why i usually push them overtime, so much less crowd then
[20:59]  * knome hides
[21:00] <pleia2> hahaha
[21:00] <pleia2> no cookie
[21:00] <knome> well yeah, i should lose weight anyway
[21:03] <knome> pleia2, so, is that guy from the -doc mailing list @ irc?
[21:04] <pleia2> Jun 29 22:05:30 2012 (10 weeks, 5 days, 22:59:18 ago)
[21:04] <pleia2> not so much
[21:05] <pleia2> he's Rocket2DMn when he does log on though
[21:05] <knome> meh :(
[21:05] <pleia2> jbicha is pretty much the de facto leader these days, he's on irc
[21:05] <knome> you could point him to our current progress
[21:05] <pleia2> I think mdke is the proper leader, but he's super busy
[21:05] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs
[21:06] <pleia2> sweet
[21:06] <knome> you could also pull that yourself
[21:06] <knome> i can help building, if you have time
[21:06] <pleia2> I have 24 minutes
[21:06] <pleia2> let's go
[21:06] <knome> (it's really easy...)
[21:06] <knome> ok
[21:06] <knome> bzr branch lp:~knome/+junk/xubuntu-docs 
[21:07] <pleia2> got that part :)
[21:07] <knome> sudo apt-get install gnome-doc-utils docbook docbook-utils
[21:07] <knome> then go to the branch and run 'make'
[21:07] <knome> after that, look at build/
[21:07] <knome> tbe, build/index.html in a browser
[21:08] <knome> so at least it builds, and i think i'm quite good with docbook syntax already...
[21:08] <pleia2> file:///home/elizabeth/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/build/index.html :)
[21:08] <knome> the only thing i'm completely baffled is how the translations are supposed to work
[21:08] <pleia2> yeah, I haven't a clue when it comes to translations
[21:09] <knome> so that's something i need help with
[21:09] <knome> and also
[21:09] <knome> "how will this work on a real installation"
[21:11] <knome> pleia2, see desktop-guide/guide-keeping-safe/C/guide-keeping-safe.xml
[21:11] <pleia2> someone makes xubuntu-docs into a package and xubuntu-docs gets updated
[21:11] <knome> (in a text editor
[21:11] <knome> )
[21:12] <pleia2> ok
[21:12] <knome> if you are at all at home with x(ht)ml, you'll be quite home with docbook too
[21:12] <knome> the syntax is the same, just different tags
[21:13] <knome> which you can pick up relatively fast
[21:13] <pleia2> there was a reason I never told you that my first foss contribution was writing documentation in docbook for bitlbee
[21:13] <knome> haha...
[21:13] <knome> well, we might need your help >:)
[21:13] <pleia2> allllright
[21:13] <knome> not because i'm not *able* to do it, but we might be a bit short on time
[21:13] <pleia2> yeah
[21:14] <knome> no hurry yet, but maybe we can do an etherpad-based hacking session
[21:14] <pleia2> ok
[21:14] <knome> so you kind of lied to us all
[21:14] <knome> awwh! :D
[21:14] <knome> :)
[21:15] <pleia2> nah :)
[21:15] <pleia2> it's XML so I look at what is there and duplicate it in other sections
[21:15] <knome> yep
[21:16] <knome> so, when should we have the first session?
[21:17] <knome> tomorrow works pretty much all day for me, if you're up to it...
[21:17] <pleia2> I suppose I can wake up at 15:00 UTC and spend an hour
[21:18] <knome> is that 5am for you? :D
[21:18] <pleia2> 8
[21:18] <knome> oh, ok
[21:18] <knome> then i suppose i can let you do that
[21:18]  * pleia2 sets alarm for 7:55
[21:18] <knome> i'll try to be around too
[21:18] <knome> that's one of the times i'm not 110% sure if i'm at home
[21:18] <pleia2> ok
[21:23] <knome> we should actually look first through the new reviews and need-reviews
[21:24] <knome> i could try to do it before going to sleep
[21:24] <knome> or tomorrow daytime
[21:24] <knome> http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout is my checklist
[21:25] <pleia2> ok, I'll try to summon the energy to look too
[21:25] <knome> i could probably just go ahead now...
[21:25] <pleia2> what's "Sub:"?
[21:25] <knome> it's explained in the top :P
[21:25] <pleia2> oh
[21:25] <knome> "submitted for review by"
[21:25] <pleia2> neato
[21:25] <knome> so, that person can't review it
[21:25] <knome> obviously..
[21:26] <pleia2> gotcha
[21:29] <knome> ok, it should be up to date now
[21:34] <knome> pleia2, i suppose section 3 is at least relatively fine for docbook conversion
[21:46] <Unit193> Are the docs for GUI only, at least generally?
[21:47] <knome> yeah
[21:49] <Unit193> Alright, thought was new dist release, do-release-upgrade, buuut.
[22:02] <knome> GridCube, re: alternate images: the decision was made because not enough arguments for were raised, and nobody wasn't too worried about losing them
[22:03] <Unit193> Man, I hate wikis...
[22:03] <GridCube> ok. care to write a formal explanation or do you want me to do it and then review it, so i can add something consistent to the FAQ?
[22:04] <knome> the official explanation:
[22:05] <knome> not able to maintain them with this manpower, and most of their features are already available in desktop for 12.10 (only RAID missing)
[22:05] <knome> and;
[22:06] <GridCube> ok
[22:06] <knome> if ubiquity doesn't work for you, please file a bug and we can get started with sorting out the problems with that and your hardware
[22:06] <knome> and for alternative solutions:
[22:06] <knome> there's also the minimal iso and netboot
[22:06] <GridCube> i just dont want to write something that can bring us problems later :)
[22:07] <knome> heh
[22:07] <knome> i can/will naturally review what you wrote
[22:07] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-August/008393.html
[22:08] <knome> you probably know that, but that's the thread to follow
[22:08] <Unit193> "Connecting to servers" should maybe s/servers/shares/  and pretty sure I'm not supposed to make comments on the page, like I just did... http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Upgrading%20from%20an%20older%20version%20of%20Xubuntu#preview
[22:09] <knome> Unit193, just edit the page to read correctly
[22:09] <knome> Unit193, it's a collaborative effort anyway
[22:33] <ochosi> hm, so meeting on wednesday
[22:33] <knome> yeah
[22:33] <ochosi> well finally there's one thing we don't have to carry on (compositor off in ubiquity)
[22:33] <knome> hehe
[22:33] <pleia2> :)
[22:33] <ochosi> so the doc-stuff is also coming to an end?
[22:34] <knome> ochosi, we're going to destroy the doc-land.
[22:34] <knome> so, yeah
[22:34] <knome> we should be in a relatively good shape before the meeting
[22:35] <knome> if we're not, some liquid material might end up in my pants
[22:37] <ochosi> heh
[22:38] <ochosi> so docs for beta2?
[22:38] <knome> or non-liquid too
[22:38] <knome> yeah, the doc freeze is sep 20
[22:38] <ochosi> btw, i think the themes are ready to be uploaded
[22:38] <ochosi> Unit193 was kind enough to test them a bit
[22:38] <ochosi> and me and satya also did our homework
[22:38] <knome> tell that to our lovely mr. pouit
[22:39] <ochosi> so hopefully that's it for this release
[22:39] <ochosi> mrpouit: green light on uploading the themes, they've all gotten new (bugfix-)tags
[22:49] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: could you quickly compare two icons for me?
[22:51] <knome> ochosi, if it doesn't mean installing 100 packages and pushing 50 repositories and building Xorg and friends, yeah
[22:51] <knome> s/pushing/pulling/
[22:51] <ochosi> no, just a simple opinion
[22:51] <ochosi> :)
[22:51] <ochosi> http://imagebin.org/228360
[22:51] <ochosi> which one is better, left or right
[22:52] <knome> what's it supposed to be depicting?
[22:52] <ochosi> (this is with context: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09142012-125216am.php )
[22:52] <knome> without numbers
[22:53] <ochosi> and why?
[22:53] <knome> cleaner, and the numbers aren't exactly making it more understandable
[22:53] <knome> (not less understandable either)
[22:53] <ochosi> well they should indicate what is the primary and what is the secondary monitor
[22:53] <ochosi> i think that makes at least some sense
[22:54] <knome> then make the non-primary monitor a bit less saturated
[22:54] <knome> if you want to specifically point that out
[22:54] <ochosi> hm, yeah, not sure, it's already larger
[22:55] <ochosi> (mainly because i assume that usually the external display you connect will be physically larger
[22:55] <ochosi> )
[22:55] <knome> yeah, i don't mind it being the same
[22:55] <knome> but if you want to make a difference between the monitors
[22:56] <knome> or add a "star"/"blink" to the right-top corner
[22:56] <knome> for the "new" monitor
[22:57] <ochosi> humm
[22:57] <ochosi> sry, don't see that working out :)
[22:57] <knome> ok
[22:58] <knome> i told my opinion already then ;)
[22:58] <ochosi> heh, yep, thanks
[23:09] <ochosi> knome: what do you generally think about getting a real dock for the next release? (instead of the launcher-panel)
[23:09] <knome> ochosi, i don't like docks
[23:09] <ochosi> why do we have something alike a dock, just less powerful, in xubuntu then?
[23:09] <knome> ochosi, now, after that honest comment, do you want an opinion that you wanted to hear?
[23:09] <knome> :)
[23:10] <knome> i don't know.
[23:10] <knome> i've been playing with non-100%-wide panels lately, and i think i like these
[23:10] <ochosi> phu, now that's something _i_ never liked :)
[23:10] <ochosi> it always made me feel like losing screen-estate
[23:10] <ochosi> in the empty areas
[23:10] <knome> well
[23:11] <ochosi> if only the xfce panel had intelli-hide
[23:11] <knome> if you have 90% panel
[23:11] <knome> you can move the mouse to the extreme corner and right-click
[23:11] <knome> ta-dah, there's your app menu
[23:11] <knome> (i know, lousy)
[23:11] <knome> but i use it like that
[23:11] <knome> and you'll always have some space where to use the scrollmouse to change workspaces
[23:11] <ochosi> yeah, sounds ok, but not as a default setting
[23:12] <knome> yeah, i'm fine with full-width panels too
[23:12] <ochosi> some ppl might consider the workspace-switching a bug :}
[23:12] <knome> i know
[23:12] <ochosi> anyway, i don't see the advantage
[23:12] <ochosi> but hey, whatever works for you
[23:12] <knome> hehe
[23:12] <knome> well, it looks visually nice
[23:12] <knome> i don't know why
[23:13] <knome> maybe i just always need to see some blue on my monitor?
[23:13] <ochosi> i proposed something different recently
[23:13] <knome> i probably saw that, but dismissed for a reason or another
[23:13] <ochosi> something like the wingpanel design elementary-folks proposed
[23:13] <knome> xnox, hey
[23:13] <knome> xnox, would you kindly set your nickserv pass as the server pass? ;)
[23:15] <xnox> knome: why?
[23:15] <knome> xnox, you're joining with three lines
[23:15] <pnarciso> adding a real dock would be nice, if there were a real dock that won't rely on composite
[23:15] <knome> 02:13 » xnox [~dmitrij@cpc4-slam5-2-0-cust14.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #xubuntu-devel
[23:15] <knome> xnox, that ^
[23:15] <knome> 02:13 » xnox [~dmitrij@cpc4-slam5-2-0-cust14.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host]
[23:15] <knome> 02:13 » xnox [~dmitrij@ubuntu/member/xnox] has joined #xubuntu-devel
[23:15]  * xnox meh
[23:16] <knome> xnox, if you set the nickserv pass as the server pass, you'll be identified before joining channels, and that wouldn't happen
[23:16] <ochosi> pnarciso: good point. i sometimes forget about that...
[23:16] <knome> xnox, and you wouldn't need scripts to register
[23:17] <ochosi> now you scared him off
[23:17] <knome> hah
[23:17] <knome> i'm sure...
[23:17] <ochosi> i'd really love channel tab-autocomplete after /join in irssi
[23:17] <ochosi> oho! fancy one-line join!
[23:18] <ochosi> welcome back xnox
[23:18]  * xnox pretends to be cool and all that jazz =)
[23:18] <xnox> knome: thanks.
[23:18] <knome> xnox, thank you, and no problem :)
[23:18] <xnox> I have all those joins & parts, aways and nick changes removed from the output. too much noise =)
[23:18] <Unit193> ochosi: How do you mean?  I can autocomplete after I've joined them.
[23:19] <xnox> knome: but I can see how annoying it can be =)
[23:19] <ochosi> xnox: btw, are you interested in xubuntu or just hanging our here for fun?
[23:19] <xnox> not interested in xubuntu at all.
[23:19] <knome> xnox, yeah, sometimes it actually means 5 or even 6 lines (if you are in a terminal with 80 width)
[23:19] <xnox> it's purely social for me
[23:19] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, autocomplete on join after having joined is kinda redundant
[23:20] <knome> ochosi, add the channels to the channel list, and you'll have autocomplete
[23:20] <Unit193> ochosi: Not as much as you'd think, it's an easy way to switch to the window and say the channel.
[23:20] <xnox> I like chatting with pleia2 and other cool folks =)
[23:20] <ochosi> xnox: yeah, ppl here tend to be nicer than in other channels 0:)
[23:20] <knome> xnox, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for chatting, btw ;)
[23:20] <ochosi> Unit193: i just use alt+$n for switching
[23:21] <Unit193> ochosi: Can't do that as well with 70 windows, though there is a handy bunch of aliases.
[23:21] <knome> Unit193, you probably should cut down on the stalking. and move to -ot :)
[23:21] <ochosi> Unit193: good point, lucky i only have ~15
[23:22] <pleia2> xnox fixes ubiquity, that's cool
[23:22] <ochosi> yeah, i know :)
[23:22] <ochosi> but only since a short while, when i started sniffing around ubiquity myself
[23:23] <ochosi> that's why i secretly hoped he _would_ be in fact interested in xubuntu... we need more of the cool kids! :}
[23:24] <knome> secretly, yeah right
[23:24] <knome> we all saw through you
[23:24] <knome> but we still should move to -ot
[23:24] <ochosi> i only whispered it into my protecting unicorn's ear, i swear...
[23:25]  * ochosi packs his stuff
[23:25] <ochosi> it's too late to work for real anyway
[23:25] <knome> heh, you still at work? :P
[23:25] <knome> or were you referring to -devel only
[23:25] <ochosi> i
[23:25] <ochosi> 'm at the home-office ;)
[23:25] <knome> (this isn't work, this is slavery)
[23:25] <knome> don't forget that
[23:25] <ochosi> brb
[23:26] <xnox> Home Office that's posh it's all of the UK government =)
[23:27] <knome> i have a home office too, and i even have a london tube map hanging on the wall ;)
[23:27]  * knome brb too
[23:30] <knome> smartboyhw, you too: set your nickserv pass as the server pass
[23:30] <knome> smartboyhw, you'll avoid three-line joins
[23:30] <knome> 02:28 » smartboyhw [~smartboyh@n112118156212.netvigator.com] has joined #xubuntu-devel
[23:30] <knome> 02:28 » smartboyhw [~smartboyh@n112118156212.netvigator.com] has quit [Changing host]
[23:30] <knome> 02:28 » smartboyhw [~smartboyh@sii/smartboyhw] has joined #xubuntu-devel
[23:30] <smartboyhw> Now everybody is shooting at me about passwd and I have been killling myself on how to set up sasl
[23:31] <knome> knome == everybody ??
[23:31] <smartboyhw> not only you magte
[23:31] <pleia2> knome: you really need to go on that diet
[23:31] <smartboyhw> Also in #ubuntuforums
[23:31] <knome> pleia2, haha... well said
[23:31] <smartboyhw> diet?
[23:32] <knome> smartboyhw, as in lose weight
[23:32] <smartboyhw> Oh alright....I need to go on a diet too, I'm overweighted
[23:32] <pleia2> it's only a problem when you start being mistaken for everybody