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ScottKNote the comments: http://lwn.net/Articles/515350/#Comments04:30
ScottKAll very nice for Kubuntu.04:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: would be nice to have indeed07:00
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1050725] clicking on system tray spawns large empty window @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1050725 (by ill)07:54
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1050776] kde4-window-decorator crashes when starting up @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1050776 (by Iven Hsu)07:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1050725 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "clicking on system tray spawns large empty window" [Undecided,New]07:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1050776 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kde4-window-decorator crashes when starting up" [Undecided,New]07:54
jussiubottu: ignore kubotu08:25
ubottuThe operation succeeded.08:25
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ignore kubotu08:25
jussitsimpson: any idea why that doesnt stay in place? 08:25
tsimpsonjussi: because "ignore" is an Encyclopedia command, use Admin ignore add08:27
jussioh pesh. 08:27
tsimpsonand hopefully Bugtracker honours ignores...08:28
tsimpsonactually, the ignore command should work (it's just a wrapper command)08:29
tsimpson...I think...08:29
tsimpsonoh, I know why08:29
tsimpsonsilly jussi, gateway/shell/ubottu/x-somerandomthing is random, you know08:31
Riddellmm, interesting, I guess this is good for kubuntu http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/09/13/166203/ubuntu-nvidia-graphics-driver-windows-competitive-but-only-with-kde08:53
inetproRiddell: well done!08:58
Riddellwell dunno if a phoronix article about bugs in ubuntu is something to be celebrated08:59
inetprohmm... :-)09:00
RiddellScottK: FFe for your consideration in bug 105046309:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1050463 in taglib (Ubuntu Quantal) "FFe update to 1.8" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105046309:12
* shadeslayer is very annoyed09:26
Riddellshadeslayer: what's up?09:27
shadeslayermy macbook pro09:27
shadeslayerI feel like tossing it off the roof09:27
shadeslayerI can *barely* get it to work like I want it to09:28
shadeslayerlaptop gets *really* hot, no brightness control ( right now I echo values into /sys ), *some* fan control, no hw acceleration09:32
apacheloggerRiddell: I believe mgraesslin has an opinion on that sort of story telling :P09:35
shadeslayergosh, the XPS 13 sure is expensive09:39
apachelogger...09:42
apacheloggerand it has a supreme glossy screen09:42
apacheloggergod I hate them screens09:42
shadeslayermhmm09:42
tazzshadeslayer, we advised you against it. Now weep.09:42
shadeslayerI'm fine with a glossy screen09:42
apacheloggerworking outside is like the sun barfs all over the screen and you consequently go blind, what with the sun being bright and all that09:43
shadeslayertazz: aye09:43
apacheloggerhttp://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnfinityn1402.html09:43
apacheloggerthat's what I plan on getting soonishy09:43
tazzget a Lenovo thinkpad X23009:43
shadeslayerapachelogger: Weight :09:44
shadeslayer1.65KG09:44
shadeslayerpfffttt09:44
apacheloggerthe weight diff between this smoochy and the xp13 is not even an ipad09:45
apacheloggeroh actually09:45
apacheloggermind that all of them ultrabooks have crapshit panels09:46
apacheloggerwhere the xps13 has one of the better crapshit panels09:46
apacheloggerif you want a sane screen you probably want to spend 2k eur09:46
* shadeslayer tries his hand at compiling his own kernel09:46
dav_hi, i tried to upgrade to 12.10 beta but upgrading is not finished. Now I can't install updates and system works not fine. Some suggestion, please?10:33
dav_nothing?10:34
Peace-i would like know if there si klook 11:01
Peace-in 12.1011:02
apacheloggerthere is not11:03
Peace-mmm why not? :D11:03
ScottKRiddell: Commented?11:41
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1038636] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Troll... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1038636 (by xabier)11:50
shadeslayer\o/13:18
shadeslayerI finally have compositing13:18
shadeslayerand no overheating13:18
shadeslayerhad to compile my own kernel, but well worth the effort13:18
Riddelloh tsk release meeting13:18
* Riddell forgot13:19
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apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/14/plasma-desktopeo5369.png13:59
apacheloggerle colors are le wrong13:59
apacheloggerdo we have a bug report about this?13:59
Riddellapachelogger: what's wrong with it?14:06
Riddellyou prefer your fifty shades of grey?14:07
apacheloggeryes14:07
apacheloggercoherence I say14:08
Riddellthere's no bug report, I think you're the main fifty shades of grey fan here, but go ahead and report one14:08
* apachelogger was into grey brefore it was hyped -.-14:15
apacheloggerhm14:15
apacheloggerRiddell: did you notice the flat grey when starting the live cd selection screen?14:16
apacheloggerappears for >1 second before the actual UI is rendered14:16
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/14/plasma-desktopTJ2405.png14:21
apacheloggerit appears logging out is a bad idea14:21
Riddellapachelogger: no users shown?14:47
RiddellI've not seen that14:47
apacheloggerRiddell: actually I wonder how you'd get back to the selection screen15:00
apacheloggeri.e. if you log out of the test session you should get back to that, not lightdm15:00
apachelogger!find pyuic416:04
ubottuPackage/file pyuic4 does not exist in quantal16:04
apachelogger!find pyuic16:04
ubottuPackage/file pyuic does not exist in quantal16:04
* apachelogger blinks16:04
BluesKajHi all16:04
Riddellit's in /usr/share/pyshared/PyQt4/uic/pyuic.py16:05
Riddell!find pyuic.py16:05
ubottuPackage/file pyuic.py does not exist in quantal16:05
Riddellhmm16:06
yofel_!find pyuic.py precise16:08
ubottuFile pyuic.py found in python-qt4, python3-pyqt416:08
yofel_jussi: somehow the quantal cache is broken ^16:09
apacheloggerTypeError: Error when calling the metaclass bases16:10
apachelogger    metaclass conflict: the metaclass of a derived class must be a (non-strict) subclass of the metaclasses of all its bases16:10
apacheloggerand they say gcc is cryptic16:10
RiddellQuintasan_: what's your nearest airport?16:22
Peace-Riddell: have you some plan to put klook on kubuntu 12.10?16:23
Peace-or users must use ppa even on 12.1016:23
RiddellPeace-: I don't know what it is16:23
Peace-lol16:23
Riddellwhat is it?16:23
Peace-Riddell: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr4z53_dolphin-with-klook_tech16:24
apacheloggerbrrr16:25
Peace-apachelogger: :P16:25
apacheloggerRiddell: runtime ui loading takes about 4 times as long as compiling to .py and loading that16:25
Riddellapachelogger: hmm fooey16:27
Riddellruntime loading is so much more elegant to the programmer16:27
apacheloggerthe good news is goign from runtime to buildtime is relatively straight forward16:27
Riddellapachelogger: are you looking at this with something in paticular in mind?16:28
apacheloggerthe bad new is that this is not the biggest bottleneck in ubiquity16:28
xnoxhhmmm?16:28
apacheloggerRiddell: it takes forever for ubiquity to draw the UI after startup16:28
Riddellyes might well be worth making that change16:29
Riddellbut generally i think d-i will be the bottleneck16:29
Riddelllooks like you hit xnox's highlight :)16:29
apacheloggeralso not background scaling apparently (though on an interesting note: in some runs loading the main ui file took as long as upscaling the background to 1680x1050)16:30
Riddellapachelogger: how are you measuring this?16:30
apacheloggerRiddell: I dunno, it appears to me that something in specific WRT drawing is the problem16:30
xnoxto restart greater session: stop lightdm; stop ubiquity; pkill -9 X; start ubiquity16:30
xnoxto restart & be able to do "Try" option, do restart lightdm.16:31
apacheloggeri.e. I get the main window (which is triggered by blahblahmainui.show()) and then only like 1-2 seconds after that appears the content16:31
xnoxwell reading ISO is slow.16:31
xnoxplus we are faking the desktop session from scratch with ubiquity-dm16:31
xnoxlook into ubiquity-dm if you want to speed it up.16:31
apacheloggerxnox: I can reproduce it on my regular install16:31
xnoxapachelogger: strace it with timings. we do re-exec ubiquity =/16:32
apacheloggeralso everything should be set up at this point, so something is astray in the UI or Qt16:32
xnoxso we hit python startup cost multiple times.16:32
apacheloggerRiddell: ad timing ... QTime -> .start -> .elapsed16:32
apacheloggerxnox: oh, while I have you here ... do you also have a flickering between ubiquity-dm and login-splash?16:33
xnoxapachelogger: what login-splash? /me only does the gtk frontend and yes there is a flicker between "Try Ubuntu" and auto-login into desktop-session of ubuntu (kubuntu) user16:34
apacheloggeryeah, that is what I meant16:34
apacheloggeruha16:45
Riddellshadeslayer: ooh you backported libkolab, that'll keep people happy16:45
apacheloggerRiddell: you did not backport the qt 4.8.2. without the patch?16:45
Riddellapachelogger: I've not backported qt 4.8.2 anywhere16:47
apachelogger *** 4:4.8.2-0ubuntu5~precise1~ppa1 016:48
apachelogger        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages16:48
apacheloggeremit sigh16:48
apacheloggernow my kate is broken16:48
apacheloggerhooray16:48
apachelogger-.-16:48
Riddellhmm really16:51
apacheloggersome please fix that16:59
Tm_Tso looks like I do make it to UDS (:17:00
apacheloggeractually17:00
apacheloggershadeslayer in particular please fix that17:00
apacheloggeralso that really means ASAP because I cannot use kate *at all*17:00
RiddellTm_T: oh great, your first one isn't it?17:01
Tm_Tmy first time proper outside Finnish borders too17:02
RiddellTm_T: careful, there be dragons17:02
Tm_Tand I get paid for every day in the trip (:17:03
Tm_Tso triple yay17:03
Tm_TRiddell: I like dragons (:17:03
RiddellTm_T: what sort of sessions will you be interested in?17:04
Tm_T(KDE-)UX, enterprise server (virtualization etc, due to my work), IRC, and U-women related17:05
Riddellhmm battery about to die, that's what I get for working in a cafe17:15
micahgre libreoffice seed change, bug 1044657 is still a problem17:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1044657 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Quantal) "[regression] Missing LO menus when not run in Unity" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104465717:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: I'm working on too many things atm17:31
shadeslayercannot handle more stuff17:31
shadeslayerRiddell: aye ;)17:31
shadeslayeralso backported libkgapi17:32
shadeslayerkdepim-runtime needs all of that17:32
apacheloggershadeslayer: it is good that I cannot work on anything then17:33
apachelogger*shrug*17:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: more time to watch prn17:34
Tm_Toh, finnish IT magazine reviewed Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Mint17:35
shadeslayerdid we win17:36
Tm_TKubuntu got highest scores (with Mint, but that doesn't count)17:36
shadeslayeryay17:36
shadeslayercookies for everyone 17:36
shadeslayerkubotu: cookies for everyone17:36
shadeslayerbleh17:36
apacheloggerTm_T: oh please do tell more, I cannot work on anythign as shadeslayer broke my kate and refuses to fix it anyway17:36
shadeslayerhow did I break things17:37
shadeslayerI didn't even touch qt4-x1117:37
shadeslayerinfact, by the state of things, I've fixed so much on my MBP today17:38
shadeslayertemps at a all time low of 50 \o/17:38
apacheloggerhttp://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CE8QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fdir%2FDaniel%2FChen&ei=QmtTUPCjBMvBtAa3_IC4Dg&usg=AFQjCNGnhe6rgc4hgmtk9f_5iId5Z20h3A&sig2=w-2pSVTUj-V2CFJQtbDlDw17:39
apacheloggereh17:39
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2012/09/14/plasma-desktopDY2498.png17:39
shadeslayeroh hmm17:39
shadeslayerI don't remember back ... ahhh17:40
Tm_Tapachelogger: well, it was quick review, they just told in general how they differ from each other (Unity simplified, Kubuntu configurable and extensible, Lubuntu lightweight but rough, Mint has codecs preinstalled), gave stars (Kubuntu got 4,5/5) and that's pretty much it17:40
shadeslayerthat's because Mek wanted the latest Qt17:40
apacheloggerTm_T: why that's jolly boring :P17:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: k will upload to backports17:41
Tm_Tapachelogger: yeah, here in the homeland of Linux, media, especially IT media, don't see Linux as something worth really caring17:41
apacheloggerexplains why the nvidia hater left I guess :S17:42
Tm_Tit took long them to even admit it is an option vs commercial OS:s atleast in some cases17:42
Tm_Tyeah17:42
Tm_Thmm I was reading the meeting notes17:45
Tm_Tso which way it went, Calligra or LO?17:45
jtechidnafinal vote went LO, but with the caveat of looking to include krita and maybe kexi on the iso17:46
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ScottKYes.17:46
Tm_Tah, shame17:46
ScottKTm_T: Tell the Calligra people to care about interoperability.17:46
ScottKThat's what decided the vote, not the core of how good or bad it is.17:46
Tm_TScottK: that's a word I'm not sure I understand, elaborate?17:47
ScottKCalligra can read, but not write MS office files.17:47
Tm_Tnot being able to write is an issue, yeah17:47
micahgScottK: LO is still broke in quantal unless you have a global menu, might want to delay the meta upload until that's fixed17:48
ScottKWhen people working in offices or schools exchange files to work on, they are virtually always in some MS format, so Calligra is unusable in those environments.17:48
ScottKmicahg: Too late.17:48
Tm_TScottK: gladly here at work we use ODF as much as possible (:17:48
ScottKTm_T: Sure, but that is truly an exception.17:48
Tm_Tindeed17:49
* Tm_T enjoys working on an open source house17:49
ScottKI'm a consultant and I deal with 100% MS Office shops in my work.17:49
ScottKOr even if they have people with Macs, the document exchange format is still MS Office.17:49
JontheEchidnaanything outside the computer science department (which we ssh in to fedora boxes to submit assignments) requires Office format here at my uni17:50
ScottKI had to teach my kids a lot about file formats so they'd stop ending up at school with a thumb drive with their assignment on it in the wrong format.17:50
Tm_TJontheEchidna: I never understood that requirement on univ environments17:51
ScottKTm_T: Most people don't even understand there are alternative formats or why they might want to use them.17:51
Tm_TScottK: the thing is, teachers don't accept plaintext files, or html, or pdf, only ms formats17:52
ScottKFor awhile, I tried sending both ODF and MS Office to customers as an educational campaign (I keep ODFs of everything locally), but then that tripped up on spam filters in one case and I gave up.17:52
Tm_Tjust because17:52
ScottKWell, when I went to university everything had to be typed, on 8 1/2" X 11" paper with (IIRC) 1" margins, double spaces, 12 point courier (because that's what typewriters do).  Just because.17:54
shadeslayerodf tripping spam filters?17:54
shadeslayerwhat sorcery is that17:54
ScottKYep.17:54
ScottKUnknown mime type filter.17:54
shadeslayer>.>17:54
ScottKOnce I figured out the problem I talked to the company's IT department long enough to get them to understand, but it turned out to be hard coded in their proprietary spam filtering system.17:55
ScottKSo they filed a bug with the vendor and I quit sending them.17:55
Tm_Tbut still, the most ridiculous uses of MS Office in my career has been 1st grade kids, yes, 7 years old who are just learning alphabets17:55
ScottKI don't think we've got that, but the school district we're in is all Macs.17:56
ScottKFunny story about that.17:56
ScottKWhen my youngest was in (I think) first grade I got a netbook.17:56
shadeslayerapachelogger: 4.8.2 from quantal being uploaded into backports17:56
shadeslayerby backports I mean kubuntu backports :P17:56
ScottKBefore blowing away Windows and installing Kubuntu netbook I wanted to make sure all the hardware worked, so I booted up.17:57
ScottKWhile I was in Windows, she walked by and said to me, "Daddy, what's that"?17:57
ScottKI started to explain about my new netbook, but she interrupted me.17:57
shadeslayerlol17:57
ScottK"No Daddy, I mean on the screen."17:57
ScottKShe had no recollection of ever having even seen Windows.17:58
shadeslayerunfourtunately, people here don't care about the software they use :|17:58
ScottKRight, the two older kids reverted to proprietary O/S as soon as they were out of the house.17:59
ScottKFirst one to Windows, the second one to a Mac.17:59
ScottKThe second one represents progress, because she didn't want Windows because it was insecure and she didn't trust MS.17:59
shadeslayerwell ... I quite liked SnoLo18:00
shadeslayerLion was a PoS18:00
shadeslayers/was/is18:00
ScottKmicahg: Actually, not too late, my meta upload got rejected (I messed up the distro).  Please let me know when it's fixed.18:02
micahgwell,, probably next week when sweetshark gets back18:02
* micahg won't be here Mon and Tue though18:02
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micahgBug #1050726 has a kubuntu user complaining about the 12.04.1 image size, can someone handle please?18:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1050726 in Ubuntu "12.04.1 CD image is too big" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105072618:21
ScottKRan into that myself.18:22
apacheloggerOo18:25
ScottKmicahg: Done.18:27
ScottKi386 is about 400K too big to burn on a CD.18:27
micahgþanks18:28
micahg*thanks18:28
ScottKmicahg: What happened to not leaving regressions unfixed and continually usable?18:28
micahgScottK: good question, the regressioner went on vacation18:28
micahgmaybe something for the release meeting...18:28
ScottKWell then let's revert it.18:28
ScottKToo late, already happened.18:28
micahgyeah, it should've been listed by the desktop team, but I guess it wasn't18:29
micahgThe problem is I don't have a decent way to test build libreoffice, so I'm reluctant to upload it18:30
micahg(needs ~30G disk space)18:31
ScottKmicahg: What's the bug on LO?18:31
micahgbug 104465718:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1044657 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Quantal) "[regression] Missing LO menus when not run in Unity" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104465718:32
micahgthere's a fix supposedly too18:32
micahgbut I have no idea where it even is18:32
micahgmaybe some desktopper can help18:32
* micahg adds a note about kubuntu and moves the milestone18:37
* micahg also comments in -release18:38
micahgScottK: oh, it was in the desktop team's list18:39
xnoxis kubuntu 12.04 an LTS release?18:46
ScottKYes.18:46
ScottK5 years.18:46
xnoxScottK: ok.18:47
Tm_T5 years of awesomeness18:48
ScottKTm_T: You're on 12.04?18:48
Tm_Tyes, currently18:49
Tm_Twill test upgrade to 12.10 some point soon, first on virtual copy of my env though18:49
ScottKTm_T: Can you install 4.8.5 from precise-proposed and then comment in Bug  #1047417?18:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1047417 in meta-kde (Ubuntu Precise) "SRU tracking bug for KDE SC 4.8.5" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104741718:49
Tm_TScottK: my KDE is already on 4.9-series apparently18:51
ScottKOh.  Nevermind then.18:51
Tm_Tas KDE isn't mission critical to my work, I feel safe to follow Kubuntu ppas (:18:52
ScottKJontheEchidna: I think I know what happened with muon updater the other day ...  I didn't update my package cache right before I added proposed, so the stuff I thought was -proposed stuff not going away was actually -updates stuff I didn't know about before I added proposed.  Sorry for the noise.19:23
shadeslayerKDE 4.9.1 for precise built in ninjas19:31
shadeslayerplz2test19:31
shadeslayerI should really get that 12 Mbps connection19:32
JontheEchidnaScottK: thanks for the update20:11
yofel_apachelogger: did you commit any of the 4.9.1 uploads to bzr?20:40
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CIA-59[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kmix] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/changelog release version 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu120:40
CIA-59[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kmix] Philip Muškovac * 17 * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) cherry pick upstream commit 0addbb2d9cea4bef7146ccd35527af6113664fd1 as upstream_fix-master-channel-selection.diff20:56
apacheloggeryofel: I had them bash line'd or so I thought21:10
* apachelogger notes that actively doing things on a remote machine far far away is a terrible idea though21:10
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1047664] xorg swaps some gigabytes and so system is not very responsive @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1047664 (by Michael Mueller)21:13
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