[02:20] <Gorroth> hey all
[02:30] <Gorroth> in a multidisplay ATI setup (without xinerama enabled), is it possible to make a KDE panel cover all monitors?
[02:31] <Gorroth> i can't seem to figure out how to do it
[03:23] <talueses> Alguno habla español?
[03:37] <gus> greetings
[03:56] <avihay> talueses: !es
[03:57] <avihay> !es | talueses
[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:27] <hyper_ch> hi lordievader
[07:28] <lordievader> Hey hyper_ch, how are you?
[07:28] <hyper_ch> fine, yourself?
[07:30] <lordievader> hyper_ch: I'm doing good, thank you for asking.
[07:51] <hyper_ch> lordievader: any question?
[07:55] <lordievader> hyper_ch: Nope usually on the other side of the fence.
[07:55] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:27] <dav_> hi, i tried to upgrade to 12.10 beta but upgrading is not finished. Now I can't install updates and system works not fine. Some suggestion, please?
[10:31] <dav_> Nothing?
[10:31] <tsimpson> dav_: your best bet is asking in #kubuntu-devel
[10:31] <dav_> ok, thanks
[10:58] <hyper_ch> tsimpson: wouldn't #ubuntu+1 have been a better recommendation?
[11:38] <Guest29868> Hi, I lost grub, so I booted from the liveCD and tried: $ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[11:38] <Guest29868> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
[12:10] <LostMonk> morning
[12:10] <LostMonk> is there a way to turn off the wallet thing?
[12:10] <hyper_ch> deinstallation?
[12:14] <jdrs> KDE Wallet -> uncheck the enable the KDE wallet subsystem
[12:15] <hyper_ch> or that :)
[14:05] <spawn57> i folks
[14:05] <spawn57> hi
[14:05] <spawn57> i think there's an extra panel on my desktop but I can't seem to find it
[14:06] <hyper_ch> what kind of panel?
[14:06] <spawn57> it's got a widget that i want to remove, the window file menu bar
[14:07] <spawn57> the panels on the desktop that has the start button
[14:07] <spawn57> the kde menu button
[14:11] <hyper_ch> screenshot?
[14:14] <spawn57> k one sec
[14:16] <spawn57> do you know where in the config files the panel settings are
[14:17] <spawn57> hyper_ch: http://i.imgur.com/TpOsm.jpg
[14:18] <hyper_ch> well, I still don't see what the problem is
[14:18] <spawn57> in all 4 panels, I don't have the window menubar applet
[14:19] <spawn57> but when I try to add it, it's already been added somewhere
[14:19] <spawn57> and only one instance of it works
[14:48] <ololo> олололо
[14:49] <ololo> есть кто живой
[14:49] <Pici> !ru
[14:49] <ololo>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[14:49] <DarthFrog> ololo:  The "/" has to be the first character on the line.
[14:50] <DarthFrog> Or just click on "#ubuntu-ru".
[14:50] <ololo> ok))
[15:17] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[15:17] <Schrodinger`Cat> i downloaded kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso i put it with dd on a key, and when i boot its xubuntu !
[15:17] <Schrodinger`Cat> you know this thing ?
[15:17] <bazhang> got the link?
[15:19] <Schrodinger`Cat> hum
[15:19] <Schrodinger`Cat> sorry
[15:19] <Schrodinger`Cat> i do craps
[15:20] <Schrodinger`Cat> i doed dd if=/dev/sdd1 of=/media/2.5-500gb/kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:20] <Schrodinger`Cat> ...
[15:20] <Schrodinger`Cat> ^^
[15:20] <bazhang> the link for the iso download
[15:23] <Schrodinger`Cat> no i do crap
[15:24] <Schrodinger`Cat> i replace the good iso by the old image of xubuntu was on the keystip, so there is no problem
[15:24] <Schrodinger`Cat> i m sorry about the disturbing
[15:24] <Schrodinger`Cat> it was a misktake
[15:42] <spawn57> Schrodinger`Cat: you alive or dead?
[15:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> !meow
[15:42] <Schrodinger`Cat> i dont really know
[15:42] <spawn57> wish Schrodinger did that himself instead of coming with that theory
[15:43] <spawn57> When I saw his equation I just stared at it for a while....
[15:43] <Schrodinger`Cat> ^^
[15:43] <Schrodinger`Cat> its maths...
[15:43] <spawn57> that was 10 years ago ... still dunno what the hell that trident symbol is
[15:43] <Schrodinger`Cat> maths is ....
[15:44] <spawn57> yeah it was way beyond what i could understand
[15:44] <spawn57> my textbook came with a warning
[15:44] <spawn57> "don't try to solve this equation, it'll give you an anyerusm"
[15:44] <spawn57> or something like that
[15:44] <Schrodinger`Cat> ^^
[15:44] <Schrodinger`Cat> i dont say much because i dont speak english
[15:45] <spawn57> oh
[15:45] <spawn57> what language(s) do you speak?
[15:45] <Schrodinger`Cat> french
[15:45] <spawn57> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[15:45] <spawn57> I did five years of french
[15:45] <Schrodinger`Cat> my english smell like s**t
[15:45] <spawn57> haha
[15:45] <spawn57> I don't think I can say that in french
[15:45] <spawn57> francais merde
[15:46] <Schrodinger`Cat> bonjour spawn57 , comment vas-tu?
[15:46] <spawn57> that means how are you?
[15:46] <spawn57> je bien
[15:46] <Schrodinger`Cat> "je vais bien"
[15:47] <Schrodinger`Cat> yes "how are you" --> "comment vas-tu" if you know the guy or on the web, or "comment allez-vous" more polite and for the case you dont know much the guy (or he is your boss^^)
[15:47] <spawn57> man I don't remember all that
[15:47] <spawn57> i remember saying I'm twleve years old
[15:47] <spawn57> j'ai douze ans
[15:48] <spawn57> or
[15:48] <spawn57> Avez-Vous du buerre?
[15:48] <Schrodinger`Cat> je,tu,il,nous,vous,ils (i, you, he/she, we, you, they=
[15:48] <Schrodinger`Cat> )
[15:48] <spawn57> Do you have any butter
[15:48] <Schrodinger`Cat> tu avais douze ans, et non je n'ai pas de beurre
[15:48] <Schrodinger`Cat> ^^
[15:49] <Schrodinger`Cat> i prefer margarine
[15:49] <spawn57> i don't care as along as I can eat i
[15:49] <spawn57> t
[15:49] <Schrodinger`Cat> :)
[15:50] <Schrodinger`Cat> but i have vaseline if you want ^^
[15:50]  * Schrodinger`Cat hide himself in his box
[15:50] <monkeyjuice> take it to #kubuntu-offtop plz
[15:50] <Schrodinger`Cat> im sorry
[15:50] <spawn57> alrighty
[15:50] <monkeyjuice> offtopic ;)
[15:50] <monkeyjuice> woop
[15:51] <Schrodinger`Cat> hum
[15:51] <Schrodinger`Cat> i "burn" an iso kubuntu with dd, and wont boot
[15:53] <Schrodinger`Cat> im actually on archlinux, i cant get the ubuntu software to burn ubuntu iso on a keystick
[15:56] <Schrodinger`Cat> any idea ?
[16:00] <Schrodinger`Cat> unetbootin?
[16:01] <anne_> hi, i am a new kubuntu user, having issues getting my wifi dongle to work
[16:01] <anne_> i baught one which was recently checked with kubuntu on the ubuntu site
[16:01] <anne_> but it dosnt work
[16:02] <spawn57> oh
[16:02] <spawn57> what model is it?
[16:02] <anne_> netgear wg111v2
[16:03] <spawn57> let me try to help out
[16:03] <anne_> great @_
[16:03] <anne_> :)
[16:04] <spawn57> are you familiar with command lines?
[16:04] <anne_> (i am, my mum whos computer it is is less so, but i have a few hours!) :)
[16:04] <spawn57> haha alright
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:04] <anne_> (kudos on the newbie precautions tho!)
[16:04] <spawn57> no worries
[16:04] <spawn57> I still live with my mom
[16:05] <anne_> lol :P i just came back for a visit!
[16:05] <spawn57> did you install kubuntu or ubuntu?
[16:05] <anne_> kubuntu
[16:05] <anne_> 12.04
[16:05] <spawn57> can you launch terminal?
[16:06] <anne_> done
[16:06] <anne_> (do i need to plug in the dongle?)
[16:06] <spawn57> in terminal type in lspci
[16:06] <spawn57> Oh
[16:06] <spawn57> yeah!
[16:06] <spawn57> plug it in
[16:06] <spawn57> give it a few seconds
[16:06] <anne_> ok
[16:06] <spawn57> and then in terminal type in
[16:06] <spawn57> lspci
[16:07] <spawn57> then copy and paste the output to this site --> http://pastebin.com
[16:07] <jdrs> anne_: just a quick question. Does it show up on network manager when you plug it in?
[16:08] <spawn57> that would be better heh
[16:08] <anne_> http://pastebin.com/y6Cia6um
[16:08] <anne_> where is ntwrk manager?
[16:10] <jdrs> usually on the right side of the panel/taskbar
[16:10] <anne_> dont think so
[16:11] <spawn57> in the l'il tray with all the icons
[16:11] <anne_> i have a wired plug in for now
[16:12] <spawn57> http://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/network-management-plasmoid.png <-- this one
[16:12] <anne_> and it says WLAN interface not connected
[16:12] <spawn57> if it says that it probably means that it detected your usb
[16:12] <spawn57> you just have to configure it
[16:13] <anne_> ok
[16:13] <spawn57> in wireless tab
[16:13] <spawn57> click add
[16:13] <anne_> dont see add
[16:14] <spawn57> in that plasmoid, you click manage connections
[16:14] <spawn57> ...and then click  the wireless tab is
[16:14] <anne_> ok
[16:14] <spawn57> sorry, I don't usually help people in here, i'm making a lot of mistakes heh
[16:14] <spawn57> you can click on the wirless tab?
[16:15] <anne_> i see my dad tried to connect yesterday
[16:15] <anne_> here
[16:15] <anne_> it says he used it
[16:15] <anne_> but i know it didn't work
[16:15] <anne_> so no data can be sent/recived
[16:15] <anne_> but it seems to connect to mondem
[16:15] <anne_> (sorry, didnt know he had got this far with new dongle)
[16:15] <spawn57> mondem?
[16:16] <anne_> *modem
[16:16] <anne_> :O
[16:16] <spawn57> well if you can click on the wireless tab (it's not greyed out) I think your wireless dongle got detected
[16:16] <spawn57> ahh..
[16:17] <anne_> shoudl I add a new one
[16:17] <anne_> anyways?
[16:17] <spawn57> there's one listed there already/
[16:17] <anne_> or do we move on to next thing
[16:17] <anne_> yes
[16:17] <anne_> thomson313310
[16:17] <anne_> our mondem :)
[16:18] <spawn57> that modem supports wireless?
[16:18] <anne_> yes
[16:19] <anne_> i use it with my laptop (thinkpad!!) with no issues
[16:19] <anne_> this is why i have a thinkpad....
[16:19] <anne_> :D
[16:19] <spawn57> alright, so you're on a laptop?
[16:20] <anne_> no
[16:20] <anne_> sorry
[16:20] <spawn57> and it's connected to the modem using a wire, and you want to use the connect wirelessly with the usb dongle instead?
[16:20] <anne_> yes
[16:20] <anne_> yes
[16:20] <anne_> wire is out the window and down 2 stories to get here
[16:20] <anne_> :S
[16:21] <FloodBotK1> anne_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:21] <spawn57> oh wow
[16:21] <spawn57> so when your dad used it, he used the wireless dongle, and no wire? or were both plugged in?
[16:22] <anne_> unsure
[16:22] <spawn57> I see
[16:22] <anne_> mum donsn;t remeber
[16:22] <anne_> I can try now?
[16:22] <anne_> but will lose conexion to irc
[16:22] <spawn57> I don't think so, you can use both of them can't you?
[16:23] <spawn57> try configuring the wireless again
[16:23] <anne_> ok
[16:23] <spawn57> if network manager doesn't work, you might have to edit a script yourself
[16:23] <anne_> ok so i am adding a new conexion
[16:24] <anne_> do i need to fill in things like ssid
[16:24] <anne_> etc
[16:24] <spawn57> yeah, :/
[16:24] <spawn57> and type in the code
[16:24] <spawn57> and choose your security settings
[16:25] <anne_> just gonna go get all the numbers off the modem
[16:25] <anne_> also - while thats happening, any idea why flash is not working. tried installing it, and flash aid, no luck
[16:26] <spawn57> yeah
[16:26] <spawn57> one sec lemme find the link for you
[16:27] <spawn57> oh wait you got an intel graphsics card.. this might not work for you but try it anyway.
[16:27] <anne_> ok
[16:27] <jdrs> anne_: what browser do you use?
[16:27] <spawn57> try disabling graphics acceleration --> http://forums.adobe.com/thread/891337
[16:28] <spawn57> damn I should've asked anne_ that first heh
[16:28] <anne_> jdrs, firefox
[16:28] <anne_> spawn57, you said that about the wireless too, lol - keen to get techie i see
[16:28] <spawn57> i'm a techie
[16:28] <spawn57> i just assume too much :P
[16:29] <spawn57> thought you'd have the same trouble as me heh
[16:29] <anne_> :)
[16:29] <jdrs> anne_: run this in terminal: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubunt-restricted-extras
[16:29] <spawn57> and I tend to go into console straight away
[16:29] <anne_> hum did a load of stuff but then said E: Unable to locate package kubunt-restricted-extras
[16:30] <jdrs> that's kubuntu-restricted-extras     not kubunt, typo there
[16:30] <anne_> lol
[16:30] <anne_> didnt see that
[16:30] <spawn57> yeah see that's like the first thing I do
[16:30] <jdrs> kubuntu-restricted-extras will install flashplayer
[16:30] <jdrs> after it's done check again if flash is working.
[16:31] <anne_> its on its way
[16:31] <anne_> now
[16:31] <jdrs> cool
[16:31] <anne_> so, what is my ssid
[16:31] <spawn57> I think that helps you get wireless drivers and firmware as well
[16:31] <spawn57> your network's name
[16:31] <spawn57> like Linksys
[16:31] <spawn57> or Home
[16:31] <anne_> oh so like thompsonetc
[16:31] <spawn57> or GoAway
[16:31] <spawn57> yeah
[16:32] <FloodBotK1> spawn57: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:32] <jdrs> spawn57: nope, only flashplayer, ffmpeg, lame, and Microsoft truetype fonts will be installed.
[16:32] <anne_> leave inf as it is?
[16:32] <spawn57> oh
[16:33] <anne_> that comand has got me in a mocrosoft window, i need to press okay but its not woking with enter etc
[16:33] <jdrs> press tabe anne_
[16:33] <jdrs> tab
[16:33] <anne_> cool
[16:33] <anne_> what is the bsssid
[16:35] <anne_> for my wifi setup
[16:35] <spawn57> uhh.. heck i dunno :|
[16:35] <anne_> ah that comand is done now
[16:35] <jdrs> anne_: try to check your flash now. About the bssid, no idea.
[16:36] <anne_> bonza its running!
[16:36] <anne_> ok well basically i need to figure out which numbers go in which box by the number of numbers in the number :D
[16:36] <jdrs> number-ception?
[16:37] <spawn57> thought network manager had an eaiser way to add a wireless network
[16:37] <anne_> i think thats all not relevant
[16:37] <anne_> am in t he second tab
[16:37] <anne_> for security - but not sure which i need.
[16:38] <jdrs> what are the options?
[16:38] <jdrs> wep, wpa, etc?
[16:38] <anne_> all of the above
[16:38] <anne_> trying wep
[16:38] <jdrs> no
[16:38] <jdrs> that's not secure
[16:38] <spawn57> you have to pick the right one
[16:38] <anne_> hum
[16:38] <jdrs> use wpa instead
[16:39] <spawn57> as the one your router
[16:39] <spawn57> or modme
[16:39] <anne_> personal or eneterpirse :S
[16:39] <anne_> i know the number i use
[16:39] <anne_> i just dont know what it is called
[16:40] <anne_> on the router it just says "wireles key"
[16:42] <jdrs> its a small thing they invented back in the 60s, it's called password.
[16:42] <anne_> i know that, its just i have to put it in the right box
[16:42] <anne_> wep, wpa blah blah
[16:42] <jdrs> i was just joking
[16:42] <anne_> and none of those names relate to what is on my modem
[16:42] <anne_> lol, sorry
[16:43] <anne_> I am annoyed at spending my life fixing everyones computers - becuase i have enough skill to go on an irc and ask someone what to do :S
[16:43] <anne_> lol
[16:43] <anne_> well
[16:43] <anne_> it sees the signal now atleast
[16:44] <spawn57> haha
[16:45] <spawn57> at least you have your sense of humour about it
[16:45] <spawn57> my family just bosses me around
[16:45] <anne_> i think i have wifi!!!!
[16:45] <anne_> how did that happen???
[16:45] <anne_> the wire is out and i am still streaming. all happy again now. happy to fix peoples computers (with the help of lovely irc people) (sorry for being a grump!)
[16:45] <anne_> ah poo its not working
[16:45] <FloodBotK1> anne_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:45] <anne_> guess i had a buffer
[16:46] <TheLordOfTime> !enter | anne_
[16:47] <anne_> its becuase i had lost conexion - very sorry,
[16:47] <jdrs> it didn't look like you lost connection though
[16:48] <jdrs> you sure its not working?
[16:48] <anne_> yes
[16:48] <anne_> ist the same as before
[16:48] <anne_> its as if its conected to the modem but not to the internet
[16:48] <anne_> its really oddd
[16:50] <anne_> lspci again you think?
[16:50] <spawn57> naw, your usb dongle is detected, I don't think we need to do that
[16:50] <PasNox> Hi
[16:51] <anne_> ok
[16:51] <anne_> PasNox, hi
[16:51] <spawn57> how do you know that it's connected?
[16:51] <PasNox> i clean a bit the installed package in my distrib and now muon no longer want to install package - can't get autorizations messagebox instead of presenting the polkit qt / kde dialog
[16:51] <PasNox> any hint ?
[16:51] <PasNox> i can't even disocnnect from kde, clicking disconnect / stop etc
[16:52] <PasNox> does not popup kde session window :/
[16:52] <anne_> it has "signal" and a green tick (looks like an antivirus logo)
[16:52] <anne_> but its not in bold, the wired on is in bold like it is selected
[16:54] <anne_> if i pull out the wire, the LAN goes to "configuring interface"
[16:55] <anne_> (but otherwise LAN is not conected) so its like it sees the modem, but cant talk. anyone got any clues as to whats wrong with this?
[16:56] <anne_> hum, even wierder, in my setup menu it says "connected" under status but "never" for last used!!
[16:56] <JuJuBee> When I run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a, nothing seems to be happening but top shows dpkg using 60% CPU.
[16:57] <spawn57> anne_: yeah that happens at tiems
[16:57] <spawn57> anne_; it's werd, I think it'll remember it after it's rebooted. Can you make sure you check the system connection box though
[16:58] <anne_> whats that?
[16:58] <spawn57> anne_: and cnnect Authority_
[16:58] <anne_> and that? :S
[16:58] <spawn57> anne_: connect automatically even
[16:58] <anne_> how is this done?
[16:59] <anne_> its currently stuck on "setting network address"
[16:59] <anne_> will reboot
[16:59] <mykiki> bonjour à tous
[16:59] <dougl> trying to disable password requirement on my 12.04 notebook install but there is no tick mark on the screen saver config... err checking power management...
[16:59] <spawn57> anne_:  when you click the network management icon in the system tray.. then click manage connections, when the dialog pops up and you click the wireless tab, and then double click the network connection in the wireles tab
[16:59] <dougl> !fr
[17:00] <anne_> done
[17:00] <anne_> what am a looking for in here
[17:00] <spawn57> anne_: system connection and connect automatically check boxes, they're near the top of that dialog
[17:01] <anne_> ok
[17:01] <anne_> done that
[17:01] <anne_> should i reboot now? (system conextion wasnt ticked but asuto was)
[17:02] <anne_> its back on "setting network address" again.
[17:07] <anne_> back - no better after reboot
[17:08] <spawn57> heck, I'm not sure how to help you then
[17:08] <anne_> hum - anyone else
[17:08] <spawn57> I'm half sleep too, trying to work heh
[17:08] <spawn57> sorry :(
[17:08] <anne_> lol - no worrys :)
[17:09] <dougl> anne_, ?
[17:09] <dougl> what is going on? I will try to help
[17:09] <anne_> dougl,
[17:09] <dougl> k
[17:09] <dougl> anne_, what are you trying to do?
[17:09] <anne_> wifi dongle is connected to modem but not to internet
[17:09] <anne_> :S
[17:10] <anne_> second dongle now
[17:10] <anne_> same thing.
[17:10] <dougl> you thot the dongle was bad out of box?
[17:10] <dougl> so you got/tried a new one?
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> you sure the modem actually *has* working wifi?
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> emphasis on working
[17:11] <anne_> the first one, said it was linux compatible but didnt work. then we looked up on the u/kubuntu list and baught one that says it has been tested with this os and worked
[17:11] <Alpha-Omega> whenever I turn my computer off I get an error about something in KDE crashing and my computer doesn't turn off until I close out the warning of the crash, anyone else experiencing this or know how I can fix it?
[17:11] <anne_> i have used the modem before with several other wifi devices
[17:11] <anne_> phone, laptops etc.
[17:12] <dougl> anne_, did you manually config the wifi or did some automatic process config it for you?
[17:12] <dougl> on the kubuntu machine
[17:13] <spawn57> Alpha-Omega: I experience it, I dunno how to fix it though :(
[17:13] <anne_> dougl, i tried to config it, but i dont understand all the options. the choices i have dont match up with the info on my modem case. for example, i know what the "password" is for the internet, and its referd to as my "wireless key" but there is no option for this on the setup - only WEP etc
[17:14] <Alpha-Omega> spawn57: they really need to fix it, kind of annoying having to wait for the crash/error message and pressing close, when I press turn off I want the computer to turn off
[17:14] <anne_> Alpha-Omega, do you get it if you shudown from comandline?
[17:14] <Alpha-Omega> spawn57: happy I'm not the only one though, if everyone's experiencing it, I don't understand why it hasn't been resolved
[17:14] <spawn57> Alpha-Omega: usually for me it's because of amarok
[17:14] <jdrs> anne_: you know I was kidding when I said that, right?
[17:14] <dougl> anne_, lets take a look at the router and dongle specs on the net... do you have url for them?
[17:15] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: I've tried shutting off from a tty and I don't think I did, then again I think that was before the problem started occuring
[17:15] <dougl> jdrs, what did you say?
[17:15] <jdrs> anne_: and its not really the password
[17:15] <DarthFrog> Well, for the first time in a long time, I just tried to play a DVD, using dragon.  Hmm, it sees /dev/sr0 as a DVD but says there's no /dev/dvd.  ????
[17:15] <Alpha-Omega> spawn57: I don't have amarok running, so I don't think that;s the issue
[17:15] <jdrs> dougl: nothing important
[17:16] <dougl> k
[17:16] <spawn57> Alpha-Omega: I meant to say amarok crashes on logout all the time
[17:16] <anne_> oh so fast
[17:16] <anne_> right jdrs dont rember what you said anyway - :)
[17:16] <anne_> dougl, the dongle is netgear wg111v2 (not sure about chipset tho) (finding out about modem now)
[17:17] <dougl> anne_, are your dns addresses config'd correctly?
[17:17] <spawn57> Alpha-Omega: it's fixed in 4.9
[17:17] <spawn57> according to this bug report --> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126073
[17:17] <anne_> Thompson TG585v8
[17:18] <anne_> dougl, can you help me check?
[17:18] <anne_> it could well be a dns issue as i have seen this before but don't now how to check
[17:18] <Alpha-Omega> spawn57: how would I check what version I'm on :P
[17:18] <spawn57> Alpha-Omega:  if you want to upgrade to KDE 4.9, follow this http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9
[17:18] <dougl> anne_, crap - did not know there was gonna be a test today... lol
[17:19] <spawn57> Alpha-Omega: in any app, in the menu bar click help -> about kde
[17:19] <anne_> dougl, lol, i am sure you will pas with flying coulors
[17:19] <dougl> anne_, did you/can you ping the modem?
[17:19]  * dougl grabbing smoke - brb
[17:20] <Alpha-Omega> ok I'm on 4.8.4, I'd rather wait till it's released into the repos, but this is a bugfix that should quickly be addressed :/
[17:20] <anne_> not tried this time, how do i do that agin (i did it last time but cant remeber)
[17:20] <Alpha-Omega> also how can I get window positions to be remembered?
[17:20] <spawn57> Alpha-Omega: yeah I'm annoyed that it took this long
[17:21] <Alpha-Omega> seems like not much attention is placed on kde, even though it's probably the best DE for linux
[17:21] <spawn57> remembered? in the app right click the title bar, select configure window behavior, and then select window rules.
[17:21] <Alpha-Omega> so is there any way to have window positions be remembered?
[17:21] <spawn57> then make a rule for that app
[17:22] <anne_> dougl, how do i ping?
[17:23] <dougl> anne_, from a command prompt do 'sudo ifconfig' so we can see your network address and find out the router/modem address...
[17:23] <Alpha-Omega> spawn57: another setting they should make is for last position to be remembered :/, KDE has a plethora of features but it's missing the most obvious ;)
[17:23] <dougl> anne_, then 'ping 192.168.xxx.1
[17:24] <spawn57> Alpha-Omega: i'm pretty sure it does that already
[17:24] <anne_> dougl, http://pastebin.com/0pYrjUAh
[17:24] <Alpha-Omega> spawn57: nope, I start the terminal for example and move it to the middle of my screen, I close it out, start it again and it starts at the top left of the screen again
[17:24] <spawn57> lemem try on mine
[17:25] <anne_> dougl, so based on that i would ges i sub xxx for the number 1
[17:25] <spawn57> ohh oki it doesn't
[17:25] <Alpha-Omega> what is anne_ trying to do?
[17:25] <spawn57> configure a wireless dongle
[17:25] <dougl> anne_, well sub 1 for xxx did you mean?
[17:26] <anne_> yes
[17:26] <dougl> anne_, if so yes
[17:26] <dougl> 192.168.1.
[17:26] <dougl> 192.168.1.1
[17:26] <anne_> so, i type ping 192.168.1.1
[17:26] <dougl> yes
[17:26] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, get wifi to work
[17:27] <dougl> lol
[17:27] <anne_> dougl, From 192.168.1.67 icmp_seq=8 Destination Host Unreachable
[17:27] <anne_> etc
[17:27] <dougl> anne_, I dont think I get... sec...
[17:27] <Alpha-Omega> ohh
[17:28] <Alpha-Omega> she's connected to the wifi and all?
[17:28] <Alpha-Omega> spawn57: yeah it doesn't remember sadly
[17:28] <anne_> Alpha-Omega, i get conected to the modem but not the net.
[17:28] <dougl> anne_, how do you know you get connected to the modem?
[17:29] <anne_> dougl, it says it in a few places. I see a tick, a signal strength, and in the config menu it says "conected" last used "never"
[17:29] <Alpha-Omega> yeah I'm not seeing an ip address for wlan1
[17:29] <dougl> anne_, cuz I dont see you connecting to the modem...
[17:30] <anne_> if i try and use the conection istead of wierd it says says "setting network address" for a while and then gives up
[17:30] <Alpha-Omega> wait does she mean the router or modem, if she is connecting wirelessly she needs to connect to the router, not modem
[17:30] <anne_> dougl, well if those things dont mean i am not connected then i guess im not. I only assumed that. sorry, i guess i mean router. just call it modem hear cause its easy
[17:31] <anne_> like calling a cd a "record"
[17:31] <spawn57> router has a modem it in I guess
[17:31] <anne_> lol
[17:31] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, I thot assumed it was a wifi modem
[17:31] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: do you have a separate modem or are you using a n ISP like Verizon FIOS?
[17:31] <spawn57> yeah, just like how routers these days usually mean router + swtich + wp access point
[17:33] <Alpha-Omega> I think that maybe she's connected to the router, but no connection to the internet from the modem
[17:33] <anne_> Alpha-Omega, its a box with a antena and some wire ports like for phones that u put in the computer. comes from the phone company
[17:33] <anne_> Alpha-Omega, ye t
[17:33] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: ok, try this
[17:33] <anne_> Alpha-Omega, that sounds like that i see
[17:33] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: put this in your browser and press enter: 192.168.1.1
[17:33] <dougl> anne_, when you configured your network access (wifi) with a password - you realize it was asking for a password to your wifi router not your service provider password?
[17:34] <anne_> Alpha-Omega, says unable to conecy
[17:34] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: if that doesn't work try, 192.168.0.1
[17:34] <anne_> *conect
[17:34] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, it is 1.1
[17:34] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: how do we know?
[17:34] <anne_> secoond one just tried to load indefinatley
[17:34] <Alpha-Omega> some routers it's 192.168.0.1
[17:35] <Alpha-Omega> alright it seems like she's not connected to the router either
[17:35] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, did an ifconfig and assuming dhcp is working came back with 192.168.1.67
[17:35] <anne_> dougl, yes, the pasword i have used on other decies was 20D31d6DAC
[17:35] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: but that's for eth0, that means she's connected to the router with an ethernet cord
[17:35] <anne_> (all upercase sorry)
[17:36] <Alpha-Omega> not a wireless card
[17:36] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, not understanding... wifi does not use ip addresses?
[17:37] <anne_> is it worth our while to do the conection config with infinate care?
[17:37] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: do you have an ethernet wire connected to the computer that isn't connecting to the internet?
[17:37] <anne_> i am sure this is just some missing passwortd or whatever
[17:37] <anne_> Alpha-Omega, yes. but prob continues when i disconect
[17:37] <dougl> oh - Isee
[17:38] <anne_> dougl, i sooooo dont
[17:38] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: disconnect the wire that looks like this from the back of ur computer: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Ethernet_RJ45_connector_p1160054.jpg/220px-Ethernet_RJ45_connector_p1160054.jpg
[17:38] <Alpha-Omega> we're trying to get the wireless working so there's no need for that wire to be connected
[17:38] <anne_> yes, thats the internet wire. i have conected that but still cant conect
[17:39] <anne_> well there is or i cant talk to you
[17:39] <anne_> :S
[17:39] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: are you trying to get wireless or wired working?
[17:39] <anne_> wireless. wired worked fine. i am using it to talk to you.
[17:39] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: ohh, so you're on the computer that you're trying to get the wireless working ok, then don't disconnect it
[17:39] <anne_> lol
[17:39] <anne_> ok
[17:39] <dougl> lol
[17:40] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: can you do us a favor and look at your router, let us know what name it is and what model, the model should be on the side somewhere
[17:40]  * dougl is cheering Alpha-Omega & anne_ on - GO!!!
[17:40] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: ? :P
[17:40] <anne_> Thompson Tg585v8
[17:40] <dougl> lol
[17:40] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: what do you mean?
[17:41] <dougl> just giving you guys moral support and goodwill :)
[17:41] <anne_> :)
[17:41] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: ohh ok, thanks, yeah we need to get this working
[17:41] <anne_> indeed
[17:41] <dougl> agreed
[17:41] <anne_> in all honesty the future of my mothers faith in free software is being majorly eroed.
[17:41] <Alpha-Omega> so yeah, let us know what the name and model of the router is
[17:41] <anne_> also my dad is winding me up saying you have to pay for linux with your time
[17:42] <anne_> Thompson Tg585v8
[17:42] <anne_> < name of router
[17:42] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: somewhat true, but it's a learning curve, that's why
[17:42] <dougl> your dad is right - but it is very satisfiying
[17:43] <anne_> i never have to pay for linux with my time. allways just works for me. almost always. anyway, more than widnows does
[17:43] <anne_> anyway
[17:44] <dougl> anne_, same - just works these days...
[17:44] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: ok, put this into your browser: 192.168.1.254
[17:44] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, if that is the case no wonder nothing works - lol
[17:44] <anne_> oh hang on might be doing something says "thomson gateway home" in the tab
[17:44] <anne_> ahhhh yes
[17:44] <anne_> we are IN tothe router
[17:45] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: ok the username is: "admin" without the quotes
[17:45] <anne_> so what next
[17:45] <Alpha-Omega> the password is your serial number on the side of the router
[17:45] <anne_> where do i need the username?
[17:45] <Alpha-Omega> are you already in or is there a prompt for the username and password?
[17:46] <anne_> already in
[17:46] <anne_> no prompt
[17:46] <dougl> your browser should have asked for it to access config on the modem/router
[17:46] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: ok, just check make sure the wep key is the one u're putting in when trying to connect with the wirless
[17:47] <Alpha-Omega> idk exactly where it would be because each router page is different, but just confirm that the WEP or WPA key is correct
[17:47] <anne_> i dont see a wep key on there
[17:47] <Alpha-Omega> look through the settings
[17:48] <dougl> anne_, there are alot of settings to config on a router... look very carefully for links to wireless of wifi and stuff like that
[17:49] <anne_> its very slow, but i know they must be right if i have used them before right? wether or not i have put them in the RIGHT place on the stupid kubunu config thing i cant say
[17:49] <Alpha-Omega> i beleive every router will have the option to see and/or change your key
[17:49] <anne_> it might well do but its like 3 mins to load each new click
[17:50] <anne_> and there are about 30 places to click
[17:50] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: alright, so you're certain you have the correct WEP/WPA key when connecting?
[17:50] <dougl> anne_, grab a beer and a smoke - I'll wait with ya!
[17:50] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: lol
[17:50] <anne_> i know they are right but I DONT know if i have put them in the right place
[17:51]  * dougl wonders why so slow...
[17:51] <anne_> config menu is really comples
[17:51] <anne_> *comples
[17:51] <anne_> *complex
[17:51] <dougl> complex
[17:51] <Alpha-Omega> we need to confirm whether it's a WEP or WPA key
[17:52] <anne_> yes. i just tried both but it makes no diffrence anyway. I know which password gets me in
[17:52] <anne_> bu not what its name is (they just wall it wirless key_
[17:53] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: do you have any other wireless computers connected to the internet and working at that house?
[17:54] <anne_> not today, i left mine at home, but i had it a few days ago. actually, i think the apple-running-mint might be online
[17:55] <anne_> FUCKME IT JUST CONECTED
[17:55] <anne_> WHY?!?????
[17:55] <FloodBotK1> anne_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:55] <dougl> apple running mint = a mac running linux?
[17:55] <anne_> FloodBotK1, you bolok me for flooding and not swearing? usless bot. rubbish bot!
[17:55] <jdrs> dougl: no.
[17:55] <Tm_T> !ohmy | anne_
[17:56] <anne_> dougl, its really intrestign, it is a mac with a motherboard problem that wont run macos anymore. its okay with linux, a bit rocky though
[17:56] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: so wait the wireless connected?
[17:56] <anne_> Tm_T, sorry - its just been DAYS of this and suddenly i am online for no reason.
[17:56] <anne_> i think so
[17:56] <anne_> one second
[17:57] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: pull out the ethernet and we'll know :P
[17:58] <anne_> am i still here?
[17:58] <anne_> ping
[17:58] <anne_> well it says its conected!!!
[17:58] <anne_> i just did. it all stoped working, but there was a big green tick on the wifi symbol
[17:58] <dougl> a hush falls over the crowd as anne_ test the wifi connection
[17:58] <FloodBotK1> anne_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:58] <anne_> and it now said "conected"
[17:59] <anne_> the WLAN menu SAYS its conected :( but its not workign :(
[17:59] <dougl> hmmm.. that is how mine worked right from install... automagically
[17:59] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: how do you know it's not working though? what happened after you disconnected the ethernet wire?
[17:59] <anne_> def not working
[17:59] <anne_> tried browser, nothing responded.
[18:00] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: it does take a little bit of time for dhcp to assign an internal ip address
[18:00] <anne_> ok
[18:00] <dougl> but it still says connected?
[18:00] <Alpha-Omega> I mean she wasn't disconnected so idk
[18:00] <anne_> i tell you what, my tea is ready. I will disconcect and give it 10 mins and come back.
[18:00] <anne_> :)
[18:00] <anne_> (having had food, fresh-legs needed methinks!)
[18:00] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: alright, yeah, let's go ahead and do that
[18:00] <Alpha-Omega> disconnect the ethernet
[18:01] <Alpha-Omega> maybe even restart the router or modem
[18:01] <Alpha-Omega> do sudo ifconfig and wlan1 should give you an ip address somewhere between 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.255
[18:02] <Alpha-Omega> try pinging www.google.com and see if it works with the wireless, if not, just connect the ethernet wire and come back here
[18:02] <dougl> not a good sign
[18:03] <jdrs> if earlier she disconnected the internet and and wlan didn't work she would've been disconnected from irc
[18:03] <jdrs> s/internet/ethernet/
[18:09] <dougl> is there a device that plugs in to an rj45 jack that functions as wifi access point to the network (I don't want to carry a wifi router to use in hotel rooms with crappy or no wifi)?
[18:11] <dougl> anne leaves and the channel goes dead - lol
[18:12] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: what do you mean exactly?
[18:12] <Alpha-Omega> jdrs: that's what I said
[18:12] <BluesKaj> quite a few hotels now offer secure ethernet , and you're given a pw with your pass card
[18:13] <Alpha-Omega> BluesKaj: and he can always just ssh to a server at home and have a 100% secure connection
[18:13] <BluesKaj> no wifi for wardrivers to piggy back
[18:13] <Alpha-Omega> have all the traffic routed through a computer at home
[18:13] <dougl> BluesKaj, How are you today?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> hi dougl , not to bad , an you ?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> too
[18:14] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, I want to set up wifi in my hotel room cuz the hotel is too cheap to provide reliable wifi in all the rooms.
[18:14] <dougl> BluesKaj, doing well thanks :)
[18:15] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: how would you setup your own wifi?
[18:15] <Alpha-Omega> unless you want to pair your phone data connection
[18:15] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, plugin my wifi router if I was really desperate...
[18:16] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: plug it into what?
[18:16] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, I just want a boosted wifi signal to use instead of the intermitant one that the hotel provides... LOL
[18:18] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: well you could setup something, forgot what it's called, between the hotel's router and your computer, but that would mean you would need to leave that somewhere random inbetween your computer and the router
[18:20] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, hotel room has wifi = crappy & twisted pair = reliable... I want to plug something into the hardwired network to provide wifi to my notebook so I don't have to string a 20ft cord all over the hotel room
[18:21] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, make sense?
[18:22]  * dougl thinks there is some lag here
[18:24] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: ohh ok, yeah you should be able to plug in a router, but I've never tried it so idk
[18:25] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, that is my question... I would like to use a device small as a mouse rather than my big bulky router :)
[18:26] <dougl> ... on another note - shouldn't anne be back by now?
[18:26] <dougl> lol
[18:26] <dougl> anne_, ?
[18:26] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: ohh ok, let me see
[18:26] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: so is the wireless working?
[18:27] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: damn, there is something I remember that was really small that did this hold on
[18:28] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, hey thanks for checking - appreciate the help/advice
[18:28] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: maybe this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833285006
[18:30] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: http://www.amazon.com/PLANEX-Converter-IEEE802-11n-installed-MZK-MF150W/dp/B002GK2EWE
[18:30] <Alpha-Omega> dougl http://www.adorama.com/TPLWR700N.html?gclid=CNW91uDZtbICFQjc4AodB0YAfQ
[18:30] <anne_> hi guys
[18:30] <anne_> yes
[18:30] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, yeah - thats nice!!!
[18:30] <anne_> it seems to be working
[18:30] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: so it works? :)
[18:31] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: so what was the problem
[18:31] <anne_> i really dont know
[18:31] <Alpha-Omega> maybe you just didn't wait long enough for the dhcp to assign an internal ip address
[18:31] <anne_> i am just looking at the menus to see what i did
[18:32] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: basically just search for mini router :)
[18:32] <anne_> but i cant see anything
[18:32] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, so simple - almost seems silly...
[18:33] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: what do you mean you can't see anything?
[18:33] <dougl> ok it is silly... been looking for something like this for about a year now
[18:33] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: lol all you had to do is mini or micro router :P
[18:33] <anne_> i think it must have been a combo of things
[18:33] <anne_> ok, so last last thing -
[18:33] <anne_> thunderbird donst seem to be able to open links
[18:33] <anne_> it asks which aplication but dosnt give you any options. I have set firefox as default in the kde menus, no change.
[18:34] <Alpha-Omega> you could always get an extender for your laptop though in case you don't have access to their router to connect this
[18:34] <dougl> anne_, you have some sort of misbehaving kubuntu...
[18:34] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, extender = ?
[18:35] <anne_> i think this is all down to not having internet in install. there was no wire at t
[18:35] <anne_> he time and i didnt have time
[18:35] <Alpha-Omega> anne_: honestly, don't really have any clue with the filetype or link asssociations, try this though: http://maketecheasier.com/configure-file-associations-in-kde/2009/08/24
[18:36] <dougl> I'd reinstall... learned that from my windows 95 daze
[18:36] <anne_> lol, i know, but its not my pc and she is workin on a phd
[18:36] <dougl> dual boot?
[18:37] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166056
[18:37] <dougl> Alpha-Omega, thanks
[18:37] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: yeah np
[18:37] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: there's also this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/NETGEAR---Universal-Wi-Fi-Range-Extender-with-Ethernet-port/2733324.p?id=1218349687077&skuId=2733324
[18:37] <Alpha-Omega> you can plug it in somewhere in between their router and your laptop
[18:38] <Alpha-Omega> it'll boost signal in between
[18:39] <dougl> nice
[18:40] <dougl> a few options - I think I will go with the first one... the price is right...
[18:41] <Alpha-Omega> dougl: yeah, if you have access to the actual router and their wireless sucks, first one is probably the best option
[18:41] <Alpha-Omega> anyway I'll bbl, gonna go eat
[18:41] <dougl> later :)
[18:41] <jdrs> anne_: if it asks again give it /usr/bin/firefox
[18:42] <dougl> jdrs, where do I do that to avoid rekonq and use firefox?
[18:42] <jdrs> dougl: you use thunderbird?
[18:43] <dougl> no just firefox and kmail?
[18:44] <jdrs> dougl: i don't use tb or kmail as my mail reader. But I believe they follow what you set as default. If you set firefox default, kmail's gonna use ff
[18:45] <dougl> k
[18:45] <jdrs> it was easy setting it up in alpine, heh
[18:46]  * dougl googling alpine
[18:47] <jdrs> dougl: its a text-based mail client.
[18:47] <dougl> ssh friendly... cool
[18:48] <dougl> anne_, wifi?
[18:50] <anne_> dougl, its fine :)
[18:52] <dougl> anne_, sweet! Now tell me how you broke a mac - lol
[18:52] <anne_> cat hair
[18:52] <anne_> no kidding
[18:52] <anne_> you cant really clean them out - and i have 4 cats. it basically fried it.
[18:52] <dougl> hmmm
[18:57] <anne_> thing is, the applie people couldent work out what was wrong with it
[18:57] <anne_> in the end they said it had an "intermitent motherboard fault" and that i needed a new MB. (they have tried ram and hard disk allready by that stage, all tests came back fine but itwould just crash/hang every 30 seconds)
[18:57] <anne_> so - I installed linux, no problems. It sometimes says the hard drive is failing (its a new drive tho) but otherwise its ok. problems all started when i upgraded to snow.
[18:57] <anne_>  been a free software user ever since.
[18:57] <FloodBotK1> anne_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:02] <anne_> how do i do like a gneral system update. all the stuff that never got done if my computer was ofline duing install
[19:04] <BluesKaj> anne , sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade , then sudo apt-get dist upgrade
[19:08] <anne_> BluesKaj, thanks
[19:09] <dougl> dist upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[19:10] <anne_> also, anyone know what that widget is called that lets you see your difernt desktops/workspeaces
[19:10] <anne_> cant find it, delected it by accdient earlier
[19:11] <anne_> right guys im off, enough work for me
[19:11] <anne_> thanks for the help :) it was great!
[19:11] <dougl> been a slice
[19:13] <BluesKaj> anne ,yes dist-upgrade
[19:13] <BluesKaj> oops , too late ...was making a sandwich
[19:36] <Alpha-Omega> so who's here?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Alpha-Omega, no nicklist on your client ?
[19:41] <dougl> or who's awake
[19:42] <Alpha-Omega> BluesKaj: there is :)
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Alpha-Omega, :)
[19:43] <Alpha-Omega> so guys how do I hack into dougl's computer?
[19:43] <dougl> www.screwithdoug.com
[19:43] <Alpha-Omega> :P
[19:44] <dougl> aren't we so exciting...
[19:44] <dougl> someone must need some help in here?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> lots of lurkers but no askers
[19:45] <dougl> that is good tho... kubuntu rox!!!!
[19:53] <BluesKaj> still not happy with some of the colour/themes , either too plain, too hard to read the open, close, exit boxes ,as an example ...some are totally impractical
[19:53] <dougl> customizing the kubuntu box are ya BluesKaj ?
[19:54] <Alpha-Omega> BluesKaj: i agree
[19:55] <Alpha-Omega> but linux users are coders, not graphic designers, amright?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> dougl, some themes are unstable on bets releases of course , but they shouldn't be on official releases
[19:55] <BluesKaj> beta
[19:56] <dougl> Ah... I am good with out of the box, as long as I have my cube and wobbly windows :)
[19:57] <BluesKaj> like the cube, haven't used wobbly windows
[19:57] <BluesKaj> for a while
[19:57] <dougl> not too much of a tweaker... learned my lesson trashing installs trying to reinvent the wheel... I love linux eye candy :)
[20:03] <Scunizi> .
[20:04] <dougl> Scunizi, well put
[20:06] <Scunizi> dougl: Thanks .. just testing to see if I was connected to the server after coming out of sleep mode.. Now I can ask my question :)
[20:06] <dougl> I am all eyes Scunizi
[20:06] <BluesKaj> I'm not big eyecandy fan , but looks shouldn't affect the users ability to do what needs to be done
[20:07] <dougl> BluesKaj, agreed
[20:07] <Scunizi> I'm trying to get my 11.04 box to recognize my android phone (Samsung Galaxy 1).. It's set to ask what kind of connection after plugging in the usb.. Choose Mass storage and then .. nothing. the system doesn't recognize it.
[20:08] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, does lsusb show you phone as a device
[20:08] <BluesKaj> your
[20:08] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: yep
[20:08] <Scunizi> Should I try a sudo mount -a ??
[20:09] <BluesKaj> mass storage ?
[20:09] <Scunizi> Yes
[20:09] <BluesKaj> what other choices do you have , if any ?
[20:10] <Scunizi> Kies, Media Player, Mass Storage
[20:12] <Scunizi> Looks like 4x is the charm.. just tried again looking for the "other choices" and low and behold this time it connects.. flakey.  Drives me nuts.
[20:13] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, it might be doing a hidden search , then finally discovers a workable connection
[20:14] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: whatever it is, is slow and unpredictable.. I can't tell if it's the phone (probably) or my computer. There is a SD card in the phone for extra storage and when it finally connects it shows both internal and external storage as separage mounts.
[20:15] <BluesKaj> just been notified , KDE 4.9.1 for precise built in ninjas ppa
[20:15] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: what is built in ninjas ??
[20:16] <BluesKaj> the upgrade is built and ready in the ninja ppa
[20:17] <Scunizi> ah.. I guess I'll load that up when I upgrade this box to 12.04.. It's my production/work machine and typically have to re-instsall the entire system to make it work right.. the upgrade path has never worked for me in the last 6 years..
[20:22] <BluesKaj> 12.04 is LTS so you'll have good support for at least 2 yrs, the caim is 5 , but alotta stuff is left behind in the dust over such a long period , IMO
[20:22] <BluesKaj> er calm =claim
[20:23] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: 5 is the server isn't it?  and I thought 3 on the desktop.. but no worries.
[20:23] <mirza> hi, can anyone tell me when will KDE 4.9.1 come to 12.04 ?
[20:23] <Scunizi> LOL..
[20:23] <Scunizi> we were just talking about that :)
[20:23] <BluesKaj> !1LTS
[20:23] <BluesKaj> !LTS
[20:24] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, my mistake , you are correct
[20:24] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:24] <Scunizi> Ah.. they switched it.. no mention of the server in that bot message unless they also meant 5 yrs for the server too.
[20:25] <BluesKaj> quote supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server;
[20:25] <Scunizi> 12.04 now 5 yrs on desktop.. that's good if they use the time to iron out the remaining bugs..
[20:25] <BluesKaj> with the exception of 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), which will be supported for 5 years on the desktop.
[20:25] <Scunizi> right :)
[20:26] <BluesKaj> that's where i got it from ..but 5 is yrs is abig promise
[20:27] <BluesKaj> not many warrantys  go 5 yrs
[21:38] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[21:38] <Schrodinger`Cat> i need your help :)
[21:39] <Schrodinger`Cat> im new in kubuntu, and i want to install amd proprietary drivers
[21:39] <Schrodinger`Cat> i read this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[21:39] <Schrodinger`Cat> and the first and recommended method, fail ("Using the Ubuntu repositories (recommended)")
[21:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> because in kubuntu its muon and not the crap of ubuntu ? maybe
[21:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> so i try the second method : "Using the Ubuntu repositories (recommended)"
[21:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> but i cant backup my xorg.conf file
[21:40] <Schrodinger`Cat> ("sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.BAK")
[21:41] <Schrodinger`Cat> because i dont have /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:41] <Schrodinger`Cat> what can i do ?
[21:41] <DarthFrog> Not worry about it.
[21:41] <DarthFrog> Just go ahead.
[21:43] <Schrodinger`Cat> but why i dont have xorg.conf ?
[21:43] <Schrodinger`Cat> i want to learn
[21:43] <Schrodinger`Cat> where i can learn abotu this ?
[21:44] <Schrodinger`Cat> about*
[21:44] <cynical_> oh no
[21:44] <cynical_> you shouldn't have an xorg.conf by default
[21:45] <DarthFrog> The way X is configured has been restructured. Your video card is detected upon booting and the appropriate driver is loaded.
[21:45] <cynical> If you want to install proprietary drivers in kubuntu you need to go into Menu > System > Additional Drivers
[21:46] <cynical> yeah in fact you don't even use xorg.conf with proprietary drivers unless you need to enable/disable certain features
[21:46] <cynical> thankfully it is mostly a relic of the past
[22:57] <greganddonna> Hi
[23:11] <cynical> Hello
[23:47] <Roey> hi
[23:47] <Roey> when I try to open up the KDE Wacom settings, I get "DBUS connection to the KDED daemon not available.  Please start the Wacom tablet daemon and try again."
[23:52] <almoxarife> Roey: did you start the wacom........ blah blah
[23:52] <Roey> do I have to start it?  If so how?
[23:52] <Roey> I didn't know I have to start anything in particular?
[23:53] <almoxarife> Roey: have to? seems you do, where? not sure, if you look in settings, autostart/services, perhaps there
[23:54] <Roey> ahh one sec.
[23:55] <Roey> almoxarife:  I restarted it and tried again, but I still get that message..
[23:56] <almoxarife> Roey: restarted what and how?
[23:57] <Roey> Startup and Shutdown -> Start Manager -> Startup Services -> [x] Wacom Tablet
[23:57] <Roey> hello Helios!
[23:58] <almoxarife> Roey: you may need to logout and return, leave what ever hardware is associated with the issue connected
[23:58] <Helios> Hello Roey!
[23:58] <Roey> hey hey :)
[23:59] <Roey> almoxarife:  aha!!
[23:59] <Roey> got it
[23:59] <Roey> my tablet was off.
[23:59] <almoxarife> imagine that
[23:59] <almoxarife> operator error