[03:15] <help> hi
[03:15] <help> hello?
[04:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> how to redirect the sound to bluetooth headset. lubuntu 12.04
[07:50] <JohnDoe71rus> how to redirect the sound to bluetooth headset. lubuntu 12.04
[09:15] <MK`> When alpha/beta builds are released, do they just freeze the packages on a certain day, like the normal releases, and do some updates, and then build it with that?
[09:17] <MK`> or I guess more generally, is the Lubuntu build it the same as as the Ubuntu alpha/beta/release build, just with different default packages?
[11:08] <hosoka> hello all
[11:08] <hosoka> upgraded to 12.10 and did not getting any audio bac
[14:19] <Ascavasaion> How would a system running an AMD 2500+ XP (rated at 2500MHz) and actually 1833 MHz (real), with 384Mb RAM, 60Gb + 20Gb + 20Gb HDDs run Lubuntu?
[14:19] <holstein> Ascavasaion: you can try it live... i would expect it to be quite tolerable
[14:19] <holstein> i would say getting a faster system would require some more compromises
[14:20] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Aaaah, thank you :)  Want to use it for storing data, Scanning, print server.
[14:23] <Ascavasaion> holstein: What would you say I should rather use then?  Puppylinuyx?
[14:26] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i say you should decide what you need
[14:27] <holstein> i dont think anyone will argue there are faster distros than lubuntu, but the nice thing about lubuntu is the balance...
[14:27] <Ascavasaion> Distro to use as a print server for small home network, with scanner.  Also to use as a music player and file server for rest of network?
[14:27] <holstein> it is quite fast, but you can install anything from the ubuntu repositories easily
[14:27] <holstein> Ascavasaion: depends on the scanner
[14:27] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Yes, and LXDE is a nice desktop too.
[14:28] <holstein> sure, but you can do all of what you are talking about without a GUI... without lxde
[14:28] <holstein> is lxde a good choice? sure... do you need it? i dont know that
[14:29] <bioterror> not that much RAM
[14:29] <bioterror> I would not expect much
[14:30] <Ascavasaion> holstein: My wife needs to be able to use the machine as well... hence why I wanted a lighter desktop like Lubuntu.  I tried Xubuntu but I never liked the feel of it.
[14:31] <holstein> LXDE isnt all that much different.. without stating more about what you and your wife are looking for, its hard to say
[14:32] <holstein> you can literally load up the live CD and see what its like, or install LXDE or lubuntu-desktop in xubuntu or ubuntu
[14:32] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Basically something easy to use like Windows XP but simple enough to work on this old machine.
[14:32] <holstein> Ascavasaion: sure, but thats opinion
[14:32] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Okay, will experiment a little then.  thank you.
[14:32] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i personally dont fine XP "easy to use". its likely more that you and/or your wife are just more accustomed to it
[14:33] <holstein> there are more "clones" of windows xp out there that you might enjoy more
[14:33] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Yes, wife is a Windows user.
[14:36] <holstein> that machine should run windows XP just fine
[14:37] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Yes, but I do not have legit Windows XP.
[14:40] <kanliot> Ascavasaion, lubuntu will do what you want.  dont worry.  you might download the altenate cd just in case the desktop cd doesn't work right
[14:40] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: Thank you :)
[14:41] <kanliot> but i can't guarantee that your scanner will work
[14:41] <kanliot> and generally you need 512MB to run the liveCD
[14:41] <kanliot> but anythings possible
[14:41] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: Oh :(
[14:41] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: Aaaah, so I should experiment hehe
[14:41] <kanliot> if you're going to dual boot
[14:41] <kanliot> you're really better off with the alternate installer
[14:43] <kanliot> the alternate installer is a lot slower, might take nearly an hour to install 12.04
[14:43] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: No dual boot... just Linux.
[14:43] <kanliot> ok
[14:43] <kanliot> try the desktop installer then
[14:43] <kanliot> make sure you "install lubuntu" not try Lubuntu
[14:44] <kanliot> and select "use whole disk" not "do somthing else"
[14:45] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: Okay, cool, thank you.  Will try that when I am home again.  We have laptops that we use for everyday stuff, but would like a machine to leave running downloads, to play music perhaps, to print from and to scan on.
[16:57] <Fersure> Hello.
[16:57] <wxl> morning
[16:57] <Fersure> I'm using Lubuntu 12.10 Beta and when I try to access the preferences in gnome-mplayer, the preferences dialog completely freezes.
[16:57] <Fersure> Is this a known issue?
[16:57] <wxl> have you searched launchpad?
[16:59] <wxl> using 1.0.6-1 i don't seem to have a problem with the dialog freezing
[16:59] <wxl> it's a little slow but not freezing
[16:59] <Fersure> no open bugs.
[16:59] <Fersure> and uh
[16:59] <Fersure> it completely freezes for like five minutes
[16:59] <Fersure> or whatever.
[16:59] <Fersure> then it's fine
[16:59] <wxl> yeah i don't have that long of an issue
[17:00] <kanliot> i've reported it
[17:00] <wxl> and i have a very resource limited vm i'm running it on at present
[17:00] <kanliot> was reported last month
[17:00] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1048785
[17:00] <wxl> yep you did
[17:00] <Fersure> I have 4GB RAM and a quad-core 2.2GHz processor on this machine
[17:00] <wxl> yep you've got a TON more processing power than me; memory too
[17:00] <wxl> so it's obviously not a resource issue
[17:01] <TheLordOfTime> *sigh*  i always love it when people don't put any data on bugs from apt
[17:01] <wxl> please confirm that bug Fersure
[17:01] <TheLordOfTime> s/apt/apport/
[17:01] <kanliot> TheLordOfTime, what you talkin bout
[17:01] <TheLordOfTime> kanliot, just the occasional whining about lack of apport bugdata :P
[17:03] <kanliot> TheLordOfTime, you a dev? areyou talking about users, or devs building apport templates?
[17:03] <wxl> if i may, TheLordOfTime, i think kanliot works hard to report every bug possible and tries to do it in the best possible way that he knows and i think if i were in his shoes i'd be concerned that you were complaining about this bug report?
[17:03] <TheLordOfTime> kanliot, neither, i'm talking about using the apport data collection features of ubuntu-bug
[17:03] <TheLordOfTime> which then autoattaches dependencies, additional config data baout a system, current OS, etc.
[17:04] <wxl> doesn't it do that automatically?
[17:04] <TheLordOfTime> nope
[17:04] <TheLordOfTime> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:04] <kanliot> if you could give me an example i could understand better please
[17:04] <TheLordOfTime> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#A4._Collect_information_about_the_bug
[17:04] <Fersure> wxl: Confirmed.
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> or you could read.
[17:05] <wxl> Fersure: thanks
[17:05] <Fersure> np, and ty. :>
[17:05] <wxl> right under "collect information about the bug" it suggests using ubuntu-bug <package> TheLordOfTime
[17:05] <wxl> Fersure: make sure you're subscribed to it too so you can keep up to date on changes
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> or if a bug is already filed
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> you can use apport-collect
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> but that's irrelevant :p
[17:05] <wxl> so this is a new bug
[17:05] <wxl> which he used ubuntu-bug on
[17:06] <TheLordOfTime> lemme find a bug that *has* such info
[17:06] <wxl> what else is it missing?
[17:06] <TheLordOfTime> that doesnt' fall under the secureinfo
[17:06] <wxl> anbd what, without links, would you suggest different?
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> you're saying this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1042679) had apport data attached to it?
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> or are we on a different bug?
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> because the one you linked was a *duplicate* of 1042679
[17:07] <wxl> i'm just saying it was obviously filed with ubuntu-bug
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> prove it
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> this onew was: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1048785
[17:07] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1048785 was i mean
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> but its a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1042679
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> i'm talking about that parent bug :P
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> confirming a duplicate is kind of pointless
[17:08] <wxl> should have made the other one a dupe XD
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> Remember, this bug report is a duplicate of bug #1042679.
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> Comment here only if you think the duplicate status is wrong.
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> chrono order :P
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> shut up ubottu, nobody asked you!
[17:08] <wxl> i've seen bugs where that's not true
[17:09] <wxl> hold on lemme find one
[17:09]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[17:09] <TheLordOfTime> this sucks, no coffee...
[17:10] <wxl> mmm iced coffee yumm
[17:10]  * wxl waves his glass around proudly
[17:10]  * TheLordOfTime glares at wxl evilly
[17:10] <wxl> that's why i'm happy and you're a crabby patty
[17:10] <wxl> :)
[17:10] <wxl> speaking of crabby patties we better get on topic on Unit193 is gonna kick our butts
[17:11] <wxl> Fersure: in case the above doesn't make sense you should actually confirm and subscribe to bug 1048785
[17:12] <TheLordOfTime> except 1048785 is already confirmed :P
[17:12] <TheLordOfTime> okay, screw it, coffee time
[17:12] <wxl> i'm just saying the one that matters is the other one but whatever
[17:12]  * TheLordOfTime heads off to find somewhere that has coffee
[17:12] <Fersure> wxl: Yeah, that's the one I confirmed/subscribed to.
[17:13] <wxl> Fersure: great! thanks again! i'd suggest in the future if you've got something funky, check launchpad. if you don't come up with something, then irc/mailing list is a good place to check. sometimes you just don't have the right terms. despite that, when the bugs are triaged, they'll get lumped together as dupes if they are. as a general rule, file a bug.
[17:14] <Fersure> Ah, okay. ^^
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> REALLY? NOWHERE HAS COFFEE?
[17:14]  * TheLordOfTime grumbles
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> anyways, yeah, reporting a bug even if another bug already exists is fine, but chekcing launchpad first is always appreciated
[17:15] <wxl> indeed
[17:16] <Fersure> I'll be honest, using lubuntu wasn't my first choice. ;x
[17:16] <Fersure> I was hoping to install gentoo but the install completely failed. D:
[17:16]  * wxl gasps in shock
[17:17] <Fersure> `emerge syslog-ng` just completely failed. with seemingly no fix.
[17:17] <wxl> wellll i won't start the distro wars, Fersure, but we're happy with what we got :)
[17:17] <Fersure> oh, I love lubuntu
[17:17] <Fersure> It's just.
[17:17] <Fersure> Portage.
[17:17] <Fersure> :<
[17:18] <Fersure> I always loved portage. It's just... in a bad state these days.
[17:18] <Fersure> So.
[17:18] <Fersure> Lubuntu. :D
 I have 4GB RAM and a quad-core 2.2GHz processor on this machine
[17:18] <wxl> honestly i've never used gentoo
[17:18]  * kanliot invites fersure to #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:18] <wxl> UGH APPORT_COLLECT CAN KISS MY SOMETHING I SHOULDNT SAY HERE
[17:20] <wxl> oh, no, pebkac
[17:31] <jakeLubuntu> When I go to update my Lubuntu 12.04 release via sudo apt-get update, it gives me a long list of errors saying it can't fetch several packages from the Ubuntu server; help?
[17:32] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: can you pastebin the results?
[17:33] <jakeLubuntu> yep. just a sec.
[17:33] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: also it might be useful to see the content of /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:33] <jakeLubuntu>                                         W: GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com precise InRelease: File /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise InRelease: File /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message W: GPG error: http://secu
[17:33] <wxl> that's one of the bugs in ppc lubuntu 12.10 :(
[17:33] <wxl> oops
[17:34] <jakeLubuntu> ok, no big deal. I thought I was running 12.04 though- still applicable?
[17:34] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: please pastebin the results starting with the command to the end. don't paste. pastebin.
[17:34] <jakeLubuntu> how do i pastebin? new command to me.
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> !pastebin
[17:38] <jakeLubuntu> URL for the paste. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205236/
[17:38] <wxl> you have several errors here
[17:39] <wxl> pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:39] <wxl> it might be easier to sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:39] <wxl> then you can cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit and it will return the url
[17:39] <jakeLubuntu> yeah... i had them on a previous install of the same Lubuntu 12.04 and though reinstalling the OS would work, it didnt. :/
[17:40] <miniCruzer> Fersure: :O
[17:40] <Fersure> miniCruzer: :O
[17:40] <miniCruzer> who r u
[17:41] <Fersure> Not Joah.
[17:41] <Fersure> He sucks.
[17:41] <miniCruzer> he does
[17:42] <Fersure> you'd know.
[17:42] <Fersure> ;x
[17:42] <miniCruzer> lxterminal is about to get the smackdown
[17:42] <jakeLubuntu> my command line refuses the sudo apt-get pastebinit.
[17:42] <miniCruzer> jakeLubuntu: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:43] <jakeLubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205249/
[17:45] <jakeLubuntu> tried the install, it's not working. lists can't be parsed. see my pastebin above at 11:43
[17:45] <wxl> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
[17:45] <kanliot> jakeLubuntu, please pastebin /etc/apt/source.list w/o using pastebinit, just cut and paste
[17:45] <wxl> then try again
[17:51] <jakeLubuntu> ok, had a class end- got the sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf part, was anything posted after?
[17:51] <wxl> nope jakeLubuntu go for it and try over and you should be good
[17:52] <jakeLubuntu> alright, hitting the update now...
[17:55] <jakeLubuntu> same issue. makin a paste with the rm results and then the apt-get update.
[17:56] <kanliot> please pastebin /etc/apt/source.list w/o using pastebinit, just cut and paste  it might not be neccessary but please
[17:56] <jakeLubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205290/
[17:56] <jakeLubuntu> sorry, that's the paste of the code. going for the /etc now
[18:00] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: try sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -rvf
[18:01] <jakeLubuntu> tried the /etc/apt/source.list, must be doin it wrong. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205309/
[18:01] <jakeLubuntu> i'll try that sudo command again, tried it before- results pastebin'd at 11:56
[18:02] <kanliot> leafpad /etc/apt/source.list
[18:02] <kanliot> no sudo
[18:02] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: no it's slightly different; there's an r in there
[18:02] <kanliot> we're just looking at the contents
[18:02] <wxl> also it's sources.list not source.list
[18:02] <kanliot> :(
[18:02]  * wxl pats kanliot 
[18:03] <jakeLubuntu> have source list, paste bin in 3, 2...
[18:04] <jakeLubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205318/
[18:04] <jakeLubuntu> tried the new rm command @wxl, gonna try the update again...
[18:06] <jakeLubuntu> WOOO! *jake hugs wxl
[18:06]  * wxl hi5s jakeLubuntu 
[18:06] <jakeLubuntu> so, what does that command do?
[18:06] <jakeLubuntu> i see it rm part of the lists, btu what are the -rvf for?
[18:06] <jakeLubuntu> and the * at the end of the directory? :)
[18:06] <wxl> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -rvf
[18:07] <wxl> sorry had to remind me of it
[18:07] <wxl> so sudo makes you superuser for the command
[18:07] <wxl> rm actually is the remove command
[18:07] <wxl>  /var/lib/apt/lists/ is a directory
[18:07] <wxl> it includes a directory called partial
[18:08] <wxl> these are indexes apt downloads
[18:08] <wxl> and technically every front end (liek synaptic) downloads
[18:08] <wxl> the partial one includes ones that haven't fully downloaded
[18:08] <wxl> somehow or another something in there got corrupted
[18:09] <wxl> since these are really only temporary files they can be deleted and will be refreshed when apt-get update is run again
[18:09] <wxl> -r says to be recursive
[18:09] <wxl> -v says to be verbose
[18:09] <wxl> -f says don't ask to confirm, just do it
[18:10] <wxl> so basically the command says "remove every apt index and any files within that directory without asking for my permission and make sure you tell me all about it. and oh, by the way, i have clearance to do it; ask for my password if you don't believe me"
[18:10] <wxl> ya dig?
[18:11] <jakeLubuntu> ok, thanks man. i get every word of it... so with the temp files that were deleted (and just now refreshed), they're basically what the computer thinks exists to be checked for updates?
[18:12] <wxl> yeah it's like it's first going to download these indexes of what is available to download
[18:12] <wxl> once it has that it can use that to download specific files
[18:12] <wxl> if you're doing "install <package>" it will parse them for instances of that package
[18:12] <jakeLubuntu> ok, and we just cleared what ended up being corrupted indexes... sweet!
[18:12] <wxl> or if you're doing "update" it wioll parse them based on what you have already installed
[18:12] <wxl> yep
[18:12] <jakeLubuntu> i'm a compsci major and i love this stuff. haha.
[18:13] <wxl> now i'm going to warn you that rm -rf is not a command you want to exercise lightly
[18:13] <wxl> for example don't EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER do sudo rm -rf /
[18:13] <wxl> man it gives me chills just typing it
[18:13] <wxl> that will erase your whole hard drive without asking
[18:13] <jakeLubuntu> i getcha already. any recursive deletion can be fatal to the system. that would be nice if in a different directory and rebooting a hard drive though.
[18:14] <wxl> there amy be reasons to use it, i'm just saying be careful; it's clear you grok that
[18:14] <kanliot> yeah that's bad when you put a space after the /
[18:15] <jakeLubuntu> well, sweet. i'll save hte command in case it does it a third time. did it before on an earlier install of lubuntu, and then just now after i rebooted the system (just a school netbook, so it's not the end of the world haha).
[18:16] <wxl> in general, these sorts of problems are quite rare
[18:16] <wxl> i've encountered them personally maybe once
[18:16] <wxl> and i have 3+ lubuntu machines
[18:16] <wxl> oh, 4+
[18:16] <wxl> forgot about the desktop i have hidden in the corner of the room
[18:17] <kanliot> man find lubuntu | wxl
[19:40] <Menethoril> Is there any shortage of beta testers for Lubuntu 12.10?
[19:41] <TheLordOfTime> everyone's welcome to betatest a release :p
[19:42] <kanliot> if you would like to help you are more than welcome
[19:42] <Menethoril> I realize that, but I didn't want to flood the Launchpad with my admittedly amateur bug reports if it is already being tested liberally.
[19:42] <kanliot> please join #ubuntu-testing
[19:42] <kanliot> we will preview or review your bugs
[19:43] <Menethoril> I'll do that, then.  I've got an old P4 at home I was hoping to resurrect.  Hopefully this will help both of us :)
[19:43] <kanliot> :)
[19:43] <Menethoril> Rather, all of us
[20:00] <Ascavasaion> Lubuntu runs my printer and scanner amazingly!  I richt clicked and shared the printer on the Lubuntu
[20:00] <Ascavasaion> Lubuntu runs my printer and scanner amazingly!  I richt clicked and shared the printer on the Lubuntu machine.  I was wondering how I would install it via network on this Ubuntu machine?
[20:01] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i typically set the printer to be shared, and just add a printer in the wizard... usually its pretty automatic
[20:02] <Ascavasaion> holstein: I got it to print and scan so easily... WOW.  I am so impressed with Lubuntu.  And it is quick.
[20:04] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Is it Samba, LPD/LPR, ipp, Jet Direct, Find Network Printer, Other?  I have tried them all and no luck.
[20:06] <kanliot> Ascavasaion, there's some articles on the wiki about sharing printers
[20:07] <holstein> i usually double check firewall settings
[20:07] <holstein> check and make sure i can ping the machines fom one another
[20:07] <holstein> from*
[20:07] <Ascavasaion> what ports does printing use? 9100?
[20:08] <holstein> Ascavasaion: id have to look it up, but thats why i just pull the firewalls down when im on a trusted network for troubleshooting
[20:09] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Okies.
[20:11] <kanliot> if you just installed lubuntu, you won't have a firewall
[20:11] <kanliot> nor will you need one
[20:13] <Ascavasaion> I have Firestarter.
[20:23] <Ascavasaion> Does this look correct - dnssd://Samsung%20SCX-3200%20Series%20%40%20entmoot._ipp._tcp.local/cups
[20:24] <holstein> Ascavasaion: depends.. i would just try some different sharing configurations til it works
[20:24] <Ascavasaion> that is what it autodetected.
[20:25] <holstein> Ascavasaion: wont hurt to try it
[20:25] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i find sometimes i just have to try a few different ones
[20:25] <Ascavasaion> Okay, trying ti ... just installing drivers.
[20:28] <Ascavasaion> Hmmm, it is not printing.  It is late, and I am working tomorrow... will try again another day.  Thank you so much holstein and kanliot ... Lubuntu is most impressive.
[20:28] <Ascavasaion> Night night.
[20:28] <holstein> Ascavasaion: GN.. we'll get it going when you have time :)
[20:29] <Ascavasaion> Ta, night.
[20:29] <Ascavasaion> :)
[20:45] <NotLarry> ok, since I can't find the faq:)  How much space is good for a lubuntu install (I'm going to use it for pentest and netsec learning)?
[20:47] <NotLarry> ok, found the faq:)