[00:04] no I am not referring to the lvm one [00:06] I am referring to the app in 12.04 referred to as "Disk Utility" [00:15] also, how does one connect to IRC with Empathy now? [00:20] https://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#How_can_I_connect_to_IRC_in_Empathy_.3F [00:24] If there is a package in 12.10 that is outdated, where do I start with getting someone to look at updating it? [00:24] the package is targetcli [00:24] !schedule [00:24] A schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [00:25] We are past feature freeze, so it's unlikely for it to be updated at this point. [00:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze [00:25] its not a feature upgrade, its a functionality upgrade [00:25] the version should be 2.0rc1-2 [00:25] !info targetcli [00:26] targetcli (source: targetcli): administration tool for managing LIO core target. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0rc1-2 (quantal), package size 18 kB, installed size 144 kB [00:26] ...strange [00:26] can you see when it was last updated? [00:26] I'm about to patch to beta1 [00:27] 5 months ago, according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/targetcli [00:28] look at the downloads for that, it shows both rc1 and rc1-2 [00:29] What do you mean by downloads? [00:29] DracoDanLRPC: could see if there is a ppa [00:29] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/targetcli/2.0rc1-2 [00:29] DracoDanLRPC: -2 is the package version not the upstream version [00:30] And that is the changelog. [00:30] The only version available at the repos is rc1-2 [00:34] okay, in my attempts to get it working on my system I seem to have made a mess... bbiab when I learn how ubuntu package management works and clean up my system... [00:36] one part that confuses me is that the version from the risingtidesystems.com git repo requires python 2.6 (not 2.7), but the debian and ubuntu version seem to be built on 2.7 [00:38] DracoDanLRPC: there aren't any patches on the package as far as I can see [00:40] DracoDanLRPC: what errors are you getting? [00:42] actually, I just went to grab the link from my email and noticed that I finally heard back from the mailing list! [00:43] turns out the biggest problem was not handling an error which caused a stack trace [00:43] but now the biggest problem is the mess I've made on my system... === histo1 is now known as histo [00:51] anyone know what happened to the pidgin entry in the messaging notifier? [00:53] jetsaredim, the messaging indicator API was changed and pidgin's plugin for it has yet to be updated. [00:53] Bug #1040259 [00:53] Launchpad bug 1040259 in pidgin-libnotify (Ubuntu Quantal) "FFE: libmessaging-menu transitions for quantal" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040259 [00:53] fun times [01:03] woot! think Im getting the hang of this dpkg stuff now :-P [01:04] except targetcli still doesnt work after reinstalling it :-( [01:12] ActionParsnip, have you tried the how-to you posted? [01:13] in 12.10, when you go to accounts in empathy, it brings you to system->online accounts now. [01:13] and IRC ain't in the list. [01:14] And personally, I like having the notifications in the envelope up top... which Xchat isn't giving me. [01:14] phunyguy, for XChat, that functionality is provided in a separate package. [01:14] xchat-indicator [01:15] (xchat-gnome-indicator if you're using XChat-GNOME) [01:15] Daekdroom, thanks [01:17] phunyguy: which one? [01:17] phunyguy: account-plugin-irc isn't installed by default, which is why it isn't in the list [01:17] phunyguy: I don't use empathy, I'm still on my 11 year habit of Pidgin [01:18] ActionParsnip, pidgin doesn't give you fits in Ubuntu? [01:18] Is pidgin that old? [01:18] Daekdroom, pidgin, no, but gaim maybe [01:18] Daekdroom: it used to be called Gaim back in the day [01:19] That I do know. [01:19] But 11-year seems too long even for Gaim [01:19] Daekdroom: but yes its dead old and rocks imho [01:19] can I use apt-get to reinstall a package? [01:19] ActionParsnip, I always had issues with it in Unity [01:19] Pidgin is not very good with Unity indeed, but it's mostly window management issues. [01:20] Daekdroom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(IM_client) 1998 as gaim initially [01:20] brb [01:20] ahh nevermind [01:21] cant restart yet, 1TB file transfer isn't finished >< [01:21] phunyguy: never had an issue, launch the irc channel, minimise main window and off you go. It even groups in the default alt+tab plugin to show all windows associated with pidgin [01:21] ActionParsnip, I had issues with not being able to get the contact list to foreground. [01:21] phunyguy: tried alt+tab ? [01:21] drove me bananas [01:22] yes but I am not a natural alt-tabber [01:22] DracoDanLRPC: apt-get install --reinstall package_name [01:22] phunyguy: ah, i see [01:22] I usually closed it using the Launcher then clicked on it again and the contact list would show up [01:22] Empathy is tolerable currently [01:22] But that stopped being necessary. [01:23] Empathy really has come a long way, but it still has a ways [01:23] I can't stand using Empathy because it keeps failing connection to the protocols and account-plugin keeps losing access to my Google/Windows Live accounts >:( [01:23] I find it easier to get to the pidgin contact list if I whitelist the status icon and enable it, then one click [01:23] there is a PPA to put the pidgin password into the keyring rather than plaintext in ~/.purple too (very cool imho) [01:24] ActionParsnip, agreed. Maybe I will give it a whirl again [01:27] and yes Daekdroom empathy is losing access to my google account as well. Shame because I really like the online-accounts integration feature. [01:28] ActionParsnip, is that https://launchpad.net/~pidgin-gnome-keyring/+archive/ppa ? [01:30] Daekdroom: indeed [01:31] trism: thanks! [01:31] I was trying apt-get --reinstall :-P [01:42] whatever I've done to this system.... @#%^ [01:42] I think I'm gonna have to reinstall ubuntu :-( [01:42] I had tried two different things to get python 2.6 installed, using pythonbrew and installing older python2.6 packages [01:43] all is removed now, but running python --version gives me 2.6.7 [01:45] python --version [01:45] Python 2.7.3 [01:45] how about the 'alterantives' perhaps its pointing to an older one.. not sure how. [01:45] !alternative [01:45] The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal [01:45] doh wrong factoid [01:47] root@dracosan:~# python --version [01:47] Python 2.6.7 [01:49] * DracoDanLRPC does an apt-get install --reinstall python-all [01:50] nope! [01:50] DracoDanLRPC: sudo apt-get install --reinstall python-minimal; [01:52] /etc/alternatives/python perhaps is set wrong. DracoDanLRPC [01:52] if it even exists.. ;) [01:52] python doesn't use alternatives [01:53] trism: same :-( [01:53] im out of ideas then. ;) i rarely use fancy features of python [01:53] so... I think the problem came from me using bzr to grab python2.6 and build it from source............. [01:54] in which case what does 'which python' say? [01:54] I'm considering just blowing away the directories and the executable and then reinstalling [01:54] which python [01:54] /usr/bin/python [01:54] /usr/local/bin/python [01:54] there ya go. :) [01:54] /usr/bin/python --version vs /usr/local/bin/python [01:55] /usr/bin/python --version vs /usr/local/bin/python --version [01:55] root@dracosan:~# which python [01:55] root@dracosan:~# python --version [01:55] -su: /usr/local/bin/python: No such file or directory [01:55] wat [01:55] heh. perhaps its using some cache of python in ram? [01:55] or was... [01:55] giving the full path works [01:56] ive seen bash get confused at times when you add.remove things fromn its path. [01:56] I deleted the python from /usr/local/bin/ [01:56] I was thinking there was some bash command to rescan the default paths to get it straightend out [01:56] its thinking its still there [01:56] how about opening a new terminal and see what one is used then. [01:57] already on it :-) [01:57] that fixed it, thanks! [01:59] it still complains that rtslib is missing :-( [01:59] I dont even know what rtslib is. ;) [01:59] DracoDanLRPC: python-rtslib [01:59] just found that, lol [02:00] DracoDanLRPC: apt-get build-dep targetcli; helps [02:00] doesnt help [02:01] DracoDanLRPC: no? [02:02] FIXED! [02:02] thanks a ton for your help and patience trism, you rock [02:03] I had to uninstall and reinstall python-rtslib [02:03] and dance a jig. [02:03] doing an apt-get install --reinstall python-rtslib didnt fix it though [02:08] strange [03:21] more ubuntu questions... kinda [03:22] how do I pass options to kernel modules? just put a file named .conf in /etc/modprobe.d ? [03:22] and the options in that file of course [03:25] DracoDanLRPC: yes, if you can add: options modulename whatever=value [03:25] DracoDanLRPC: add it in a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/something.conf it must end in '.conf' [03:27] and I see that I can monitor the module in sysfs [03:27] thanks [03:29] modinfo qla2xxx | grep parm [03:29] parm: qlini_mode:Determines when initiator mode will be enabled. Possible values: "exclusive" - initiator mode will be enabled on load, disabled on enabling target mode and then on disabling target mode enabled back; "disabled" - initiator mode will never be enabled; "enabled" (default) - initiator mode will always stay enabled. (charp) [03:30] cat /etc/modprobe.d/qla2xxx.conf [03:30] options qla2xxx qlini_mode="disabled" [03:30] cat qlini_mode [03:30] enabled [03:30] sorry, that was probably too much to paste [03:31] point is that after rebooting it doesn't seem to have worked :-/ [03:41] oh, gotta rebuild initrd === ripps_ is now known as ripps [03:58] can someone please install firefox-dev and run a command for me [03:58] it is a very small package [03:59] which command? I powered down by quantal box but I can check if it isn't something I don't already know [04:00] pkg-config --cflags mozilla-plugin [04:01] i need the output obviously [04:01] from the terminal [04:01] this will work in kde, gnome, whatever you want [04:01] bjsnider: I believe it was the same as precise, -DXP_UNIX -I/usr/include/firefox [04:01] bjsnider: but I can boot and check quantal if you'd like [04:01] i need to know for sure [04:01] thank you [04:01] alright one sec [04:01] i'd appreciate it [04:03] bjsnider: yes, same as precise [04:04] trism, now, can you ls /usr/include/firefox [04:04] npapi.h npfunctions.h npruntime.h nptypes.h nspr [04:04] npapi.h is there [04:04] yep [04:05] I checked that the other day when you were having the issue, though it seems the package is tiny compared to precise (it doesn't have much beside that) [04:05] what's the approximate file size? [04:06] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28846 Sep 6 06:08 /usr/include/firefox/npapi.h [04:06] same as precise for that file though (size wise anyway) [04:08] trism, lsb_release -rs [04:08] you'll have to install that package [04:09] Installed-Size: 245 versus Installed-Size: 30207 on precise [04:09] 12.10 for the lsb_release [04:10] well, this is weird [04:10] trism, that's all i needed, thanks [04:11] no problem [04:13] oh, now i see what's happening [04:16] trism, can you do something else please [04:16] ls /usr/lib/firefox-devel [04:17] bjsnider: *shrugs* just shutdown again, one sec [04:17] sorry [04:19] ls /usr/lib/firefox-devel -l [04:19] need to know symlinks too [04:19] not there at all [04:20] uh [04:20] ok [04:20] that'sa bit of a problem [04:20] and if you run this command: [04:20] pkg-config --variable=sdkdir mozilla-plugin [04:21] there is an if in the firefox-dev.install.in for 12.10 that only has MOZ_INC/np* instead of the rest, might have something to do with it [04:21] that command returns /usr/lib/firefox-devel/ but its not there [04:21] yeah, that's my point [04:22] it's there in precise [04:22] is there a missing dependency? [04:23] my rules code is working but the sdk variable holds a nonexistent location i guess [04:23] nope, it seems like it was omitted on purpose though looking at the install file, maybe chrisccoulson knows? [04:24] maybe that variable hasn't been changed yet? [04:26] jeez, i'm glad my code's working at least [04:26] i haven't done anything wrong [04:28] /usr/lib/firefox-devel was installed by firefox-dev in precise [04:28] i thinkt he variable should probably read /usr/include/firefox [04:34] out of curiosity what error do you get when the build fails? [04:37] trism, in the /usr/include/firefox/nspr directory, is nspr.h there? [04:37] trism, complains about lack of npapi.h [04:37] which is perfectly understandable given the changes from precise to quantal [04:38] nope, nothing in that directory but md/_linux.cfg [04:39] you're kidding me [04:39] are you kidding me? [04:40] bjsnider: everything in the firefox-dev package http://paste.ubuntu.com/1204072/ [04:41] bjsnider: debian/firefox-dev.install.in has %%if DISTRIB_VERSION >= 1210 @MOZ_INCDIR@/np*.h %%else install everything below, so kind of makes sense but the changelog gives no indication why that I can see [04:42] micahg told me the reason for the change was that the api changed too often to offer the headers [04:43] building against them would be pointless because they'll be different soon, in other words [04:43] oh nm: * Kill the SDK - nothing in the archive depends on it (note, we still provide the NPAPI SDK though) in 14.0~b7+build1-0ubuntu1 [04:43] I see [04:44] gecko-mediaplayer builds against the sdk [04:44] the plugin.cpp file says it needs the following headers: [04:45] nsIPrefBranch.h nsIPrefService.h nsIServiceManager.h nsISupportsPrimitives.h [04:45] all provided by firefox-dev in precise [04:45] or it requires nspr.h [04:46] i guess that's the end of gecko-mediaplayer in quantal [04:50] bjsnider: nspr.h should be provided by libnspr4-dev, not firefox-dev [04:51] oh, cool [04:51] maybe i can get it to build then [04:51] linking against firefox's nspr is a recipe for trouble [04:51] what is nspr anyway? [04:51] netscape portable runtime library [04:52] yep gecko-mediaplayer fails to rebuild: plugin.h:40:19: fatal error: npapi.h: No such file or directory, since its looking in -I/usr/lib/firefox-devel/include [04:54] trism, try building with libnspr4-dev, and pass --with-xulrunner-sdk=/usr/include/firefox [04:55] it should really be patched to use the mozilla-plugin.pc file [04:56] it is, but it is looking at --variable=sdkdir instead of --cflags [04:56] what should? [04:56] gecko-mediaplayer [04:56] and changing it to /usr/include/firefox doesn't help because it then looks in /usr/include/firefox/include [04:56] plus a bunch of other directories that used to be linked in /usr/lib/firefox-devel [04:59] too tired to look right now though, good luck with your build bjsnider [04:59] GECKO_CFLAGS="-I$XULRUNNER_SDK_PREFIX/include [05:35] ugh, FML. Now this server keeps pausing for like a minute at a time [05:35] just when I thought I had everything fixed [05:39] okay, now it seems to have simply stopped. went to the console and couldn't get any response [05:39] yet it responds to pings [05:41] could reconfiguring the HBA cause that? === Chipaca` is now known as Chipaca [10:30] emesene crashes while I login: http://pastebin.com/s0sHL261 it should be some problem with python in ubuntu 12.10 [10:36] help for ati drivers install [10:37] rose7676, what's your problem? [10:38] siganderson, sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle >>>> fglrx : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. [10:38] siganderson, now fix ? [10:39] rose7676, that's a problem in repos, the only fix is to wait [10:39] or you could install the binary driver by downloading it from www.amd.com [10:40] siganderson, manual no installl again problem :( [10:43] rose7676, are you italian? come to #ubuntu-it-chat [10:46] но но [10:48] the only way to use fglrx on 12.10 is to install manually from the binary release on the amd site; it will be so until they will fix the repos === kubuntu is now known as Guest29868 [11:33] Hi, I updated my quantal and lost grub, so I booted from the liveCD and tried: $ sudo grub-install /dev/sda [11:33] /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?). [11:33] what am I doing wrong, please? [12:01] hey everyone, I upgraded a few days ago and I'm noticing a bug with window switching. [12:02] sometimes when i alt+tab switch to another window, the new window is not focused [12:02] so i have to click on it, or switch to another windows and back and then it's OK [12:02] i tried searching if a bug was already submitted, but was unsuccessful, maybe i used too generic terms [12:35] I'm wondering why the GTK2 version of Ambiance hasn't been updated to have black menus (I suppose the same thing happens to Radiance). [13:04] Everybody ever ran linux gui on a remote server to code? and then connect to it with vnc ? :p [13:06] it's probably faster than X11 over the network [13:07] now using vi, but its not always cool to code with it :( [13:07] I know [13:08] good for small files :) sux for big projects [13:08] I now use sshfs to get the remote code repositories to my computer and then use the IDE [13:09] hmz, could be an option also [13:10] still a full remote gui is better, if you change settings of the ide for example [13:10] hmz ... :D [13:10] or use the server as a git/bzr/.. server and use a local branch [13:11] too many options to choose from :) [13:11] only the speed ofc [13:12] would a full desktop remotely be fast enough ... :D [13:13] I tried that first too (with NV) but it wasn't fast enough (using the IDE didn't feel smooth) [13:44] Hi, does anybody see weird font hinting/size in current Quantal? http://ubuntuone.com/4FzErYocDSeN4CN5g9hxCN - that's what my font looks everywhere [13:45] I've been googling around but don't see any similar reports [13:56] rye: you need to install ubuntu-settings, it should be a dependency of ubuntu-desktop but it might require a dist-upgrade to get it [13:57] rye: if anything, change the hinting to slight in gnome-tweak-tool [14:04] ubuntu-settings. now, is that any relation to gnome-tweak? [14:11] ubuntu-desktop: Installed: (none) [14:11] jbicha: thank you! I should have checked I have all the metapackages installed [16:04] Hi all [16:34] anyone else having flickering issues with unity lately? === glebihan_ is now known as glebihan === trijntje_ is now known as trijntje === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [18:01] the last update/upgrade put me into grub rescue after the required reboot , and this partition doesn't control grub , or at least it isn't supposed to. [18:01] there seem to be some issues with the new grub2 [18:02] new? [18:02] mine won't even install because of a to large image [18:02] grub 2.00 instead of 1.99 [18:03] but why would grub that's installed on my 12.04 partition be affected by an upgrade on my 12.10 partition [18:03] jtaylor: I was just going to say that I saw someone with the same problem in another channel.... but that someone was you. [18:03] :) [18:03] I'm still waiting for -4 to show up on my mirror, maybe it fixes the issue === cmagina_ is now known as cmagina_away [18:04] 12,04 is the boot partition, what don't I understand about this issue ? [18:05] grub tends to take over the boot record on upgrades [18:05] for me it constantly changes between debian and ubuntu's grub each time it gets upgraded in one of the two [18:06] is it safe to remove grub from this partition, then [18:06] ? [18:07] why would we need 2 grubs is the real question [18:09] you can never have too many grubs === jack is now known as Guest54648 [18:13] new menu is kind of vague, just says "Ubuntu" and "Advanced Options for Ubuntu" [18:15] bjsnider, could you elaborate pls ? [18:17] BluesKaj, i was kidding [18:18] * BluesKaj shrugs , I'm still confused [18:20] jtaylor, grub will take over the mbr in a distro upgrade yes. [18:20] easily fixed [18:21] it really shouldn't, you usually get a debconf prompt asking you to install grub somewhere (assuming you didn't install grub when installing +1, ubiquity -b), it didn't touch my setup [18:22] bjsnider, so would you know if it's safe for me to remove grub from this install and rely on grub on the other to boot from [18:22] yeah, because you just need the kernel, that's what is booting [18:24] the other OS/grub sees the all the kernels on the HDD , does it not ? [18:24] if you install a new kernel in the os without grub, you'll have to boot into the grub os and re-run update-grub [18:24] trism, a user that understand that would not be complaining about grub I would think it is easily manipulated. [18:27] bjsnider, that make sense , but as I asked before why would a kernel upgrade create chos in grub that resides on a differnt partition/OS? [18:27] chaos [18:27] chaos? [18:28] yeah , like grub rescue [18:28] BluesKaj, You have to know which grub is in the mbr, and update accordingly. [18:28] i had to go into tyhe live cd a nd reinstall grub on the boot partition [18:30] BluesKaj, I doubt you need a boot partition to begin with. [18:30] wilee-nilee, I do know , that's the whole point of this discussion , grub on the boot partition shouldn't be wiped out by an upgrade on a differnt install [18:30] having a boot partition just convolutes the process more than is needed to be honest. [18:31] sorry boot partition is a misnomer , the / partition of the other OS [18:33] it's flagged as boot in fdisk [18:33] I think you may not understand the setup, I have 3 linux setups and W7 on one HD, I never have probles, I know which OS has the grub control in the mbr. If I get a upgrade in a non control OS I switch it to having the grub in the mbr I update grub I remove the extra kernel if needed, then boot to the OS I want to have control and reinstall grub to the mbr from there. [18:34] your grub> could of been an anomaly, you description is missing a lot of understanding as well of the whole process. [18:38] the o/s with grub control is the one you keep running update-grub in [18:39] but it's run automatically every time there's a kernel upgrade in any of the linux o/s partitions, which transfers control [18:41] thanks for the info , maybe i didn't explain my setup more clearly , I have one HDD with / and /home partitions on on it , 12.04 and 12.10 , also another HDD that's W7 , and an external drive for media , The 12.04 was the original install , and it seemed to assume grub duties for all the HDDs . I have had grub rescue before after 12.10 updates , but it always affected the 12.10 install , never the 12.04 grub . === Guest54648 is now known as wN [18:51] bjsnider, then this last update /upgrade is dangerous , because grub was definitely broken , someone should look into this [18:56] BluesKaj, I am running 12.04 and 12.10 on the same hd this did not happen to me grub is not broken. [18:56] wilee-nilee, did you see the kernel updgrade ? [18:56] BluesKaj, yes. [18:56] have you rebooted ? [18:57] yes [18:58] hmm, odd , anyway it broke here ..it's still an issue IMO [18:58] no problems, I saw the kernel upgrade I ran sudo grub-install /dev/sda giving 12.10 mthe grub control I then ran update-grub I rebboted to 12.10 removed the older kernal and ran update-grub and then booted to 12.04 anf gave it grub control again. [18:59] BluesKaj, Have you modified grub with the grub customizer, or another grub tweaking tool? [19:00] wilee-nilee, one shouldm't have to run those commands to prevent problems after a kernel upgrade , that's the whole point [19:01] wilee-nilee, no [19:01] BluesKaj, Have you modified grub with the grub customizer, or another grub tweaking tool? [19:04] my commands just shorten the process you have to run to get the controlling grub to read the other OSthat has had a kernel update, I like only one kernel set personally. [19:53] how is quetzal working out for you guys? thoughts? [20:07] anyone else experiencing "fullscreen streches to multiple monitors" effect? [20:10] Main Menu in Xubuntu 12.10-not-yet-beta :) doesn't appear to be functioning like that in 12.04...1) Some items that I uncheck do not get removed from the menu and when I look again they are still checked; and 2) When I try to add items (File Manager or Terminal) to the top-level xfce-menu, they are placed in Other. Is this the way of the future or a temporary aberation? [20:30] hi, is there a way to get back to old grub, as im using softwareraid, and some people seem not to give a damn about it... === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:56] jakubo, i had issues with getting that working, in the end i just made it with btrfs instead [21:03] zoktar: why is the FS relevant? [21:04] it says that there is not enough space to embed stuff [21:05] which is necessary for RAID [21:06] old grub is still in the archive so you can install it yourself if you need [21:06] should be the 'grub' package [21:07] jakubo, all you need to do is move your partition to be at 1MB instead of at 32k on the disk [21:07] then you will have lots of room for grub [21:10] patdk-wk: is there an easy way to do it on a software raid setup? [21:11] hmm? it's just a partition [21:11] assuming you have enough space on the disk, to reorganize things [21:11] it's very very easy for software raid to move it around [21:12] so i can just resize the raid partitions? [21:12] that, dunno [21:12] move sure, resize, I dunno [21:12] without losing data? [21:13] move, yes [21:13] what does your partition layout look like? [21:13] so the first partition is to start at 1MB? [21:14] well... cant tell you exactly atm, as my system is broken [21:14] ah [21:14] thats the tricky thing [21:14] need something like sysrescd or any partition iso tool [21:14] but ill just get over there and get a live system up [21:15] will you be here for a soem time to aid me if necessary? [21:15] probably not :( [21:15] going out for dinner soon [21:15] but I have done this thousands of times [21:15] but Ido understand, it can be scary if you haven't done it before === cmagina_away is now known as cmagina_ [21:16] but apparently you have left some space on your disks [21:16] and also, not fun if you do make a mistake [21:16] well, most of my disks these days are virtual [21:16] so I just add some space :) [21:16] or, I'll steal space from a swap partition or something [21:17] all depends what is available [21:17] that option sounds possible [21:17] or does the space need to be at the beginning? [21:18] it doesn't matter at all [21:18] if it is, it's *easier* [21:18] if the space is at the end [21:18] so it just needs to be unpartitioned space? [21:18] well, it will have to COPY the whole disk, and take awhile [21:19] actually ya, you have two options [21:19] ideally, the first 1MB of the disk should be empty [21:19] and if possible, that would be best [21:19] if not, you could make a small partition anywhere, and make that bootable flag [21:19] and install grub there [21:19]