[00:52] <highvoltage> u/win 12
[08:48] <bootlkhlll> mornin'
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Quantal meeting coming right?
[14:58] <skaet> yup
[14:58] <skaet> just waiting for top of the hour to start it.
[14:59] <ogra_> start 1
[14:59] <ogra_> !
[14:59] <ogra_> :)
[14:59] <skaet> :)
[14:59]  * ogra_ is sitting on the autobahn, half way to berlin
[15:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Sep 14 15:00:05 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:00] <smartboyhw> \o
[15:00] <didrocks> \o
[15:00] <skaet> Weekly Release Agenda (and minute location):
[15:00] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-09-14
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Upcoming dates:
[15:00] <skaet> 12.10
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/09/20: 12.10 Beta 2 Freeze,  DocString Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:00] <arosales> \o hello
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/09/27: 12.10 Beta 2
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/04: Kernel Freeze and Desktop Infrastructure Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/09: Translation Deadline at 1030 UTC and Final Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Bugs:
[15:00] <skaet> Development teams are trying to fix: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:00] <skaet> To be considered for fixing: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:00] <brendand> \o
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:00] <skaet> 2012/09/14 -  2996 (was 3025  - 2012/08/31):   Thank you for the recent push to clean up the feature status.  :)
[15:00] <skaet> We are still behind the trendline for some of the projects.  Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Weekly Status Received:
[15:00] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001926.html - QA - gema
[15:00] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001927.html - desktop - didrocks
[15:00] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001928.html - security - mdeslaur
[15:00] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001929.html - HWCert - brendand
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001930.html - kernel - ogasawara
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001931.html - ubuntu one - joshuahoover
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001932.html - community - balloons
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001933.html - server - arosales
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001934.html - linaro - fabo
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001935.html - Unity - popey
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001936.html - foundations - ogra_
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001938.html - kubuntu - RIddell
[15:01] <skaet> ?? - edubuntu - stgraber
[15:01] <skaet> ?? - xubuntu - knome
[15:01] <skaet> ?? - Ubuntu Studio - ScottL
[15:01] <skaet> ?? - Lubuntu - gilir
[15:01] <skaet> #topic Comments and Questions
[15:01] <Riddell> hi
[15:01] <skaet> hello arosales, brendand, didrocks, ogra_, smartboyhw  - who else is around?
[15:01] <gema> o/
[15:02] <skaet> hiya Riddell, gema
[15:02] <stgraber> skaet: nothing exciting happened for Edubuntu since beta-1.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work is missing completely...
[15:03] <skaet> stgraber, ack.
[15:03] <skaet> anyone have any burning questions to raise before I start into my set?
[15:04] <skaet> (if so,   'o/' to let us know)
[15:04] <skaet> To make sure we’re all as efficient as possible in this critical bug fixing/polishing up time,  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:04] <skaet> should be kept as close to 0 as possible.   Teams with more than 5 in their queue right now are:
[15:04] <skaet> desktop: 16
[15:04] <skaet> dx (product strategy): 8
[15:04] <skaet> foundations: 11
[15:04] <skaet> didrocks, popey, ogra_ - can you work with your teams to get these sorted by monday?
[15:04] <ogra_> sure :)
[15:04] <didrocks> skaet: sure, I already taken down the number, but will continue
[15:04]  * jbicha waves
[15:05] <popey> yup
[15:05] <skaet> thanks ogra_ ,  didrocks,  popey.   :)   appreciate the efforts so far.
[15:06] <skaet> gema,  I was working through: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qa/qa-open-bugs-quantal.html,  and finding some bugs without rls-q-incoming tag or being targetted to a series.   Could you do a pass through the bugs to make sure that the tag is present, on all those that are NOT already targetted to a series, so they get into the development team’s triaging flow?
[15:06] <gema> skaet: sure, I can do that on Monday european morning
[15:06] <skaet> thanks gema.  :)
[15:07] <skaet> didrocks, not spotting bug: 927168, bug: 1047306 or bug: 966744 on your working on list, and they’re indicated as critical in  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html,   can you look into them?
[15:07] <didrocks> skaet: yeah, it's a bug between PS and us, people are already working on it, but not trivial
[15:08] <skaet> popey,  ^  can you help from your side too on those?
[15:08] <popey> sure, but I think our "best minds" are on it
[15:08] <didrocks> skaet: bug #1047306 isn't relevant right now, as I reverted mesa because of it last week (so not impacting us, just in case if we reupload mesa without doing anything)
[15:09] <didrocks> skaet: not sure how it should be marked then?
[15:09] <skaet> didrocks,  if its not relevant,  probably marking it INVALID for the moment,  but keeping note of it in case it shows up again later?
[15:10] <didrocks> skaet: yeah, or I will change the bug title for now, tjaalton is working on it to reupload the new mesa without the regression
[15:10] <jibel> skaet, it's not invalid because it is a real bug that have been reverted and being worked on
[15:10] <skaet> popey,  just wasn't seeing them listed in the working on lists,  so wanted to make sure they actually were being "worked on"  :)
[15:11] <popey> sure, will make sure they are
[15:11] <skaet> jibel,   what do you recommend then?
[15:11]  * didrocks adds "[Mesa reverted, not impacting quantal right now]" in front of the bug title
[15:11] <jibel> in progress seems right to me
[15:12]  * skaet likes that.  Thanks didrocks.
[15:12] <didrocks> yw :)
[15:12] <skaet> ok jibel,  looks like we've got a way to denote it for now then.    probably need to ponder conventions on how to denote bugs of things not in the current archive at some point.
[15:13] <skaet> bug in upstream, but not in the ubuntu portion.
[15:13] <skaet> ..
[15:14] <skaet> didrocks,  any concerns about the timing of the landing of ubuntu one’s FFe (bug: 1042343)?
[15:14] <skaet> bug: 1042343
[15:14]  * skaet wonders what happened to ubottu
[15:15] <didrocks> skaet: depends if it lands next week or not. I'll get ken checking on the status again
[15:15] <popey> Launchpad bug 1042343 in Ubuntu One Client "[FFE] Ubuntu One integration with Q sync indicator" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042343
[15:15] <popey> pfft
[15:15] <didrocks> thanks popeybuttu :)
[15:16] <popey>  /nick popeybot
[15:16] <ogra_> heh
[15:16] <skaet> thanks didrocks,  popeybot  :)
[15:16] <skaet> ..
[15:16] <skaet> mdelaur,  re: FF16 landing on Final Freeze date,  if it can be reviewed and included before 2100 that would be best.  Is this possible?
[15:19] <skaet> hmm... not seeing him for now,  moving on to next question
[15:19] <skaet> popey, are the unity development teams keeping the Features separated from the bug fixes until after the FFE’s are approved?
[15:20] <skaet> mdeslaur, ^  sorry,  typo in your nick.   see question re: FF16
[15:21] <mdeslaur> one sec
[15:21] <mdeslaur> skaet: ah, I'll see with micahg if that's possible
[15:22] <skaet> thanks mdeslaur.
[15:22] <mdeslaur> if not, no biggie, we can just do a day 0 security update
[15:22] <skaet> ok.
[15:22] <skaet> ..
[15:23]  * skaet wondering if popey is still around?
[15:23] <skaet> moving on for now then.
[15:23] <skaet> rosales, spotted a FTBFS that’s been lurking for a bit,  updated its milestone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/genshi/+bug/935516 - will this get fixed before beta 2?
[15:23] <popey> sorry, someone just arrived at my house
[15:23]  * skaet having serious trouble with nick's today.
[15:24] <skaet> arosales, ^
[15:24] <arosales> skaet: I'll take a look.
[15:24] <skaet> thanks arosales.
[15:24] <skaet> :)
[15:24] <arosales> should be able to get resolved before beta2 :-)
[15:25] <skaet> ..
[15:25] <arosales> ..
[15:26] <skaet> popey,  do you know if we'll have the ability to revert FFe's if they cause problems or not?  (ie. mixing in features with bug fixes, could make it *interesting* :P )
[15:26] <popey> hmm
[15:26] <popey> not something I'd considered, I'll have to admit, and we'll have to figure a plan for that if it happens
[15:27] <popey> the plan being, not to mix in the first place I imagine ;)
[15:27] <popey> ..
[15:27] <didrocks> yeah, but that's not really the case unfortunately :/
[15:27] <popey> ok
[15:27] <didrocks> skaet: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1kiVPg0U7VJpHt21y-Qm9VtnLxsTmKHfBmA2B16yLGzc/edit# if you want to have the trunk status of FF violation
[15:27] <didrocks> (and most of fixes are melt with features)
[15:27] <didrocks> PS do now have a separate unity and nux trunks
[15:28] <didrocks> but that's only from yesterday, so the melting is already quite large in trunk "quantal"
[15:28] <didrocks> and that doesn't cover all the rest of the stack
[15:28] <didrocks> (lenses in particular and libunity for now)
[15:28] <didrocks> ..
[15:28] <skaet> didrocks,  thanks for that summary,  not sure its going to make me sleep much better at night though.
[15:29] <skaet> popey,  who should we meet with to see if we can get some risk mitigation going>
[15:29] <skaet> ?
[15:29] <popey> olli/pat i think
[15:30] <skaet> popey,  ok,  you want to set something up, or me to?
[15:31] <popey> I can, after the meeting, I'll grab you
[15:31] <skaet> thanks :)
[15:32]  * skaet looks around for any one else having questions on the other teams status'
[15:32] <skaet> balloons,  for the new test cases,  can I assume that the development teams have reviewed and signed off on the new ones added?
[15:33] <smartboyhw> skaet: Isn't balloons not coming to the meeting?
[15:33] <smartboyhw> That's what he said in the weekly status report
[15:33] <skaet> thanks smartboyhw,  missed that.
[15:34] <smartboyhw> NP:)
[15:34] <skaet> ScottK, Riddell - can you provide a bit more background on taglib FFE - bug #?
[15:35] <Riddell> amarok requested it
[15:35] <Riddell> some bug fixes and new formats supported
[15:35] <Riddell> needs testing
[15:36] <Riddell> bug 1050463
[15:36] <Riddell> so if you use any out of `apt-cache rdepends libtag1c2a` then please test it
[15:36] <skaet> when do you think it will be ready to land?   (enough testing to be sure?)
[15:37] <Riddell> it's ready, it's in my ~jr PPA
[15:37] <Riddell> just needs testing to get the FFe approved
[15:37] <Riddell> it works find for me in amarok
[15:37] <Riddell> xnox was testing the russian version but I've not heard back
[15:37] <Riddell> there's two builds of taglib which is pretty inelegant
[15:38] <xnox> well.... i have them installed, but didn't test yet =)
[15:38] <marek_> hi all, im newbie ;)
[15:38] <marek_> and sorry for my bad enlish
[15:38] <skaet> thanks for the background,  Riddell
[15:39] <skaet> ..
[15:39] <marek_> i ve got lenovo z580, i want to configure my touchpad, i use this script: http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Configuring_the_touchpad_with_xinput
[15:39] <marek_> but now right touchpad button works like left
[15:40] <marek_> do You know how i can repair it? ;)
[15:40] <jbicha> o/
[15:41] <jbicha> or I could just discuss on #ubuntu-release if this meeting's over
[15:41] <skaet> marek_,   best place for those sort of questions is in #ubuntu,   could you please ask there?
[15:41] <skaet> go ahead jbicha,   I've gotten most of my questions asked.
[15:41] <marek_> ok thanks
[15:41] <skaet> (well almost ;) )
[15:42] <jbicha> I've seen a bunch of UIFE's in the past couple of days, but with docs freeze very soon, there's not much time to get those done
[15:42] <ogra_> marek_, wrong channel, there is a meeting in progress here, try #ubuntu
[15:42] <ogra_> (oh, skaet was faste)
[15:42] <jbicha> let me know if there's UIFEs that haven't been looked at yet
[15:42] <ogra_> r
[15:43] <jbicha> are the approved Unity UIFE's in the unity-staging PPA? because I can use that for screenshots
[15:43] <didrocks> jbicha: I know there are some PS side, unfortunately the design is not finished yet and still tweaking (they are on a sprint)
[15:43] <skaet> jbicha,  ok,  I'm building up a list as I encounter them.   Will share it with you, and you can see if I've missed some you're aware of too.
[15:43] <didrocks> jbicha: and not everything is yet merged, but I would let popey answering more
[15:44] <jbicha> didrocks: they should do their sprint before UIFe if it involves UI tweaks ;)
[15:44] <didrocks> jbicha: I more than agree…
[15:44] <skaet> +1 from me as well!
[15:45] <didrocks> jbicha: most of the changes are in the preview space, so you can mostly do the rest safely I think
[15:45] <didrocks> jbicha: the other tweaks are shadow which doesn't really worth if it changes and the doc screenshot is not up to date
[15:45] <didrocks> (this is from what I know)
[15:46] <skaet> ..?
[15:46] <popey> jbicha, if you need assistance getting screenshots from latest features, let me know if I can help..
[15:46] <jbicha> ok, we probably won't even discuss the previews feature this cycle
[15:46] <popey> ..
[15:46] <didrocks> skaet: sorry, not used to .. ;) yeah ..
[15:47] <skaet> thanks popey, jbicha, didrocks.  :)
[15:47] <jbicha> popey: ok, I wrote a script last cycle to semi-automate the screenshots so updating them is a bit easier than it used to be
[15:47] <jbicha> thanks
[15:48] <gema> o/ (different topic)
[15:48] <jbicha> ..
[15:49] <skaet> popey, ogra_, didrocks, arosales - could I ask you to take a careful review through gema's QA status after meeting and decide what to do with the obsolete configs that seem to be lurking?
[15:49] <skaet> gema, ^ was that it?   or something different
[15:49] <ogra_> not right after meeting, but yeah, tonight i can
[15:49] <gema> skaet: different
[15:49] <skaet> thanks ogra_
[15:49] <didrocks> will have a look as well (not after meeting, but for monday)
[15:50] <skaet> ..
[15:50] <arosales> skaet: will take a look and discuss with the team.
[15:50] <skaet> ok gema,  go ahead.
[15:51] <gema> skaet: I just wanted to let everyone know that from next week onwards, plars will be attending this meeting
[15:51] <gema> he is taking over old jibel's responsibilities
[15:51] <plars> well I'm here today too... so this week onward I suppose :)
[15:51] <skaet> thanks gema.   welcome plars.  :)
[15:51] <plars> thanks!
[15:51] <gema> yep, I may be sitting on the background but will keep quiet from now on :D
[15:52] <gema> ..
[15:52] <skaet> :)
[15:52] <ogra_> plars, ! good to have you back !
[15:52] <ogra_> :)
[15:52]  * skaet looks if anyone else has comments/questions before EOM?
[15:53] <didrocks> o/
[15:53] <didrocks> just a small warning: next week, GNOME 3.5.92 release (RC)
[15:54] <didrocks> should be a minor 3.5.91 -> 3.5.92 update and be on time for beta2 freeze
[15:54] <didrocks> ..
[15:54] <skaet> thanks didrocks.
[15:54] <skaet> ok,  feeling like EOM time...
[15:54] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Sep 14 15:54:55 2012 UTC.
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[15:55] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:55] <ogra_> thanks
[15:55] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet!
[15:55] <popey> thanks
[15:55] <arosales> thanks skaet for chair'ing
[15:55] <didrocks> thanks
[15:55] <skaet> Thanks popey, arosales, didrocks, gema, plars, jbicha, jibel, ogra_, Riddell, mdeslaur, brendand - have a good weekend!
[15:56] <gema> you too, thanks for chairing :D
[15:56] <didrocks> thanks skaet :)
[15:56] <skaet> thanks stgraber (belated ;) )
[15:56] <highvoltage> thanks everyone