[05:29] <pinky-> Good Morning All
[06:49] <popey> morning
[07:07] <daubers> Morning
[07:14] <daubers> me waits for a HUGE delivery from RS
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> daubers: 600 resistors
[07:18] <daubers> MartijnVdS: A load of microcontrollers/caps/RFID antenna/Connectors/tools/linear regs etc
[07:21] <pinky-> reminds me of when I used to blow microchips on a CLaNzeR chip programmer
[07:21] <pinky-> I always used to buy the blanks from RS
[07:21] <pinky-> in Leeds
[07:23] <pinky-> chip/pic-programmer
[07:24] <pinky-> eeprom reader/programmer
[07:25] <daubers> This is a through hole prototype of a sensor node. If this works then I can make it all SMD (and cheaper) and get some PCB's made up :)
[07:26] <pinky-> sounds interesting
[07:33] <pinky-> flux is my friend. I luv friends with benifits
[07:33] <pinky-> benefits*
[07:34] <pinky-> haha
[07:34] <pinky-> maybe it's too early?
[07:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:48] <popey> Oh Joy!
[07:49] <popey> Updated my machine and get dumped to the grub prompt
[07:49] <popey> WINNER!
[07:49] <czajkowski> :/
[07:49] <AlanBell> ops
[07:49] <pinky-> WINNING
[07:49]  * AlanBell declines to update right now
[07:49] <czajkowski> indeed
[07:50]  * xnox is in the office =) woop
[07:51] <popey> this is odd
[07:51] <popey> they've changed the wording of the grub menu
[07:51] <popey> it now just says "Ubuntu" and "Advanced options for Ubuntu"
[07:52] <popey> \o/ fixed
[07:58]  * gord upgrades and puts on a cup of coffee for the enevitable breakage
[07:59] <AlanBell> popey: what was the fix?
[07:59] <popey> boot from a different hard disk
[07:59] <popey> i have two, it updated the wrong one
[07:59]  * popey stabs launchpad
[08:00] <AlanBell> so it should be OK to update?
[08:00] <mattt> "double down" ... what a stupid saying
[08:00] <popey> yeah
[08:00] <popey> mattt, americans.. what can you say. :)
[08:01] <gord> its not a saying? its something you do in blackjack
[08:01] <gord> i've never heard it used outside that context anyway
[08:01] <mattt> gord: i've heard a # of american colleagues say it
[08:01] <popey> me too
[08:01] <popey> loads
[08:01] <gord> correct them all
[08:01] <gord> or just assume you are playing blackjack and throw cards at them
[08:01] <mattt> maybe it'll kick it up a notch, and triple down
[08:01] <popey> heh
[08:01] <popey> quintuple down!
[08:02] <mattt> :)
[08:03] <xnox> popey: that's grub 2.00 for you ;-)
[08:20] <gord> woo after upgrade lightdm doesn't work \o/
[08:24] <xnox> gord: in what way?
[08:24] <mattt> gord: double down and get that fixed
[08:49] <bootlkhlll> mornin'
[09:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:20]  * daubers listens to the loud whine of "Grrnnnnnanaaarrgrghhhhhrhghghghghghghghghhghgh...... *kthump*" as the tree's get taken down
[09:21] <xnox> daubers: perfect time for conference calls & google hangouts =)
[09:21] <daubers> xnox: Yes!
[09:27]  * Laney :(s at trees being taken down
[09:28] <Laney> we're getting a big new tram line in nottingham which is really bad for trees
[09:29] <Laney> https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=university+boulevard,+nottingham&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=56.331468,114.169922&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=University+Blvd,+Nottingham+NG7,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.93774,-1.18727&spn=0.010604,0.027874&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=52.93774,-1.18727&panoid=RqTi6XQILjZ49brKf4nl1g&cbp=12,352.31,,0,-7 both of those beauties
[09:33] <daubers> Laney: We're going to plant a fruit tree further down the garden. The tree's that are going are less than a meter from the house. They're starting to affect the foundations :(
[09:33] <Laney> :(
[09:34] <daubers> cost me £VAST AMOUNTS on the insurance
[09:34] <czajkowski> daubers: aye happened in our house in .ie
[09:34] <daubers> so the plan is to get a pear tree or something that has smaller roots which we can train along one of the fences
[09:34] <czajkowski> but mum loves gardening and has planted a lot more all away from the foundations of the house
[09:34] <daubers> Yeah, these are those horrid things that grow a couple of meters a year too
[09:35] <daubers> so replace them with something native and nicer
[09:35] <daubers> something that bee's will like
[09:36]  * daubers should think about walking down to the doctors surgery shortly
[09:38] <diplo> I had the same issue, why don't the house builders think about the trees that are planted when they are small
[09:38] <diplo> My tree took up the front path by about 3-4 inches all broken, and very close to that is the main sewer pipe.. I was worried the tree was going to take the sewer out so chopped it down.
[09:39] <diplo> Refusing to die though :/ going to have to dig the stump out soon ( BIG job )
[09:53] <pinky-> I like trees and want to hug them all
[09:59] <pinky-> Bonsai to the rescue
[09:59] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :-D
[09:59] <pinky-> Poets day!
[10:00] <JamesTait> pinky-: Not for me, I started late instead. :-/
[10:00] <pinky-> atleast you got a lay-in
[10:00] <JamesTait> Pah!
[10:00] <JamesTait> They don't exist in my house!
[10:01] <pinky-> young children?
[10:01] <JamesTait> No, this morning my wife broke her glasses, so I had to take her to the opticians.
[10:01] <pinky-> oh drama
[10:01] <JamesTait> Yep, two boys.  8 and 5.
[10:01] <JamesTait> So still young, I guess, even though they seem so grown up so quickly.
[10:02] <pinky-> in a blink of an eye
[10:02] <pinky-> yup
[10:03] <pinky-> I'm nearing 50 years old now but been a granddad since I was 42
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:04] <pinky-> Good Morning davmor2
[10:07] <pinky-> JamesTait : you bought the boys any Lego?
[10:07] <pinky-> it's one of my fav toys to give
[10:07] <JamesTait> pinky-: A grandad at 42?  Fairly young, I suppose, but could be younger. ;)
[10:07] <pinky-> yeah atleast it wasn't 32
[10:08] <JamesTait> pinky-: We've got *loads* of the stuff.  Most of it left over from when we were boys, but we've got them some updated stuff as well.
[10:08] <JamesTait> I poached some to build a Raspberry Pi case.
[10:08] <pinky-> good idea:)
[10:09] <mungojerry> best pi cases i've seen are the pibow
[10:11] <JamesTait> Yeah, I wholly intended to get a pibow. In fact, it's what finally convinced me to get the Pi. I've just never got around to it.
[10:12] <JamesTait> In fact, I should do that now.
[10:12] <christel> yeah the pibow is cuteeee
[10:12] <christel> the pins are a tad short though and keep falling out
[10:13] <christel> (though they come with spare pins!)
[10:13] <christel> (also, morning)
[10:13] <JamesTait> Done.
[10:13] <JamesTait> Hi christel. :)
[10:14] <christel> hullu hullu hullu my dear! <3
[10:14] <mgdm> I saw a pibow at oggcamp
[10:14] <mgdm> might get one, nw that have the RPi too
[10:14] <mgdm> \o/
[10:16] <JamesTait> I'm going to see how things go with the Pi, but I'm thinking of getting a couple more, or maybe a couple of the other ARM boards that seem to be popping up left, right and centre.
[10:20] <pinky-> I've not updated any main applications for ages and looking to try new and wondered if anybody had a recommendation for dvb-s2 software for Ubuntu?
[10:20] <JamesTait> mgdm: I bought my Pi at OggCamp, and got the box signed by Pete Lomas. \o/
[10:21]  * JamesTait has a thing about getting things at OggCamp and having them signed.
[10:27] <mgdm> JamesTait: Oh, I didn't htink about the signing bit - I was having a chat with him at one point though
[10:29] <JamesTait> mgdm: Seems like a nice chap. :)
[10:31] <mgdm> Indeed
[10:32] <davmor2> morning christel
[10:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:33] <pinky-> in Ubuntu (12.04) Software Center there is only 2 dvb apps and one doesn't work in 12.04 and other has no ATSC support so useless for satellite
[10:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: how's london treating you again?  More important have you managed to distroy it yet so you don't need to go back?
[10:37] <christel> morn davmor2 :)
[11:29]  * AlanBell wonders what to have for lunch
[11:31] <christel> cake
[11:34] <mungojerry> got my hands on the new long iphone 5 http://ubuntuone.com/5AVzrvnmz9WoRWiWXxnmOS
[11:36] <pinky-> haha
[11:37]  * daubers can't have lunch for another 20 minutes
[11:37] <daubers> stupid antibiotics
[11:44] <czajkowski> pff
[11:44] <czajkowski> those are only guidelines
[11:45] <daubers> Dfeinatley means I can't get a bit tipsy at my brothers wedding tomorrow :(
[11:45] <daubers> My experience of alcohol+antibiotics was much vomiting
[11:46] <czajkowski> ah no they dont seem to have any effect
[11:46] <czajkowski> was on strong stuff last wweekend at mates wedding and drinking no issue, she was on a morphine patch and also drinking. again no issue
[11:47] <czajkowski> some people seem to be more sensative to them
[11:48] <daubers> Really made me ill last time. Don't think I'd ever risk it again!
[11:51] <daubers> At the time I might have been on one of these though http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/871.aspx?CategoryID=73&SubCategoryID=103 as I had a gum infection
[11:52] <czajkowski> daubers: I tend to be on weird strong stuff for my back but over the years have built up a large tolerance
[11:53] <daubers> czajkowski: This is something I hadn't heard of before
[11:54] <czajkowski> nods
[11:56] <daubers> Ah wikipedia, where would i be without you
[11:56] <daubers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flucloxacillin
[11:57] <mungojerry> the main issue with antibiotics is tummy problems
[11:57] <mungojerry> so top up on good stomach bacteria
[11:58] <daubers> eat many yoghurts, gotcha :)
[12:40] <AlanBell> bigcalm: still up for next saturday in Farnham?
[12:41] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/
[12:41] <christel> AlanBell: i believe he is at a training course today (but afaik he still intends to come down for happy hourage)
[12:42] <AlanBell> great
[12:42] <christel> daubers: yah some antibiotics dont react well to alcohol and make you sick -- the ones you're on now probably wouldnt make you sick if you drank mind, however, the alcohol *could* make them less efficient so it might not be the best of ideas to get shitfaced! ;)
[12:47] <mungojerry> awww toddlers http://i.imgur.com/p9wnQ.gif
[12:51] <czajkowski> awwww
[12:52]  * mungojerry is a bit broody
[13:03] <mungojerry> anyone who syncs their desktop PC data to cloud or other storage - what do you do with . files?
[13:04] <mungojerry> currently am just backing up Documents , but a recent hard drive crash meant i lost lots of configs :(
[13:07] <popey> i backup my entire home folder
[13:10] <mungojerry> drip-sync, or a backup job?
[13:11] <mungojerry> i do one-off backup jobs at home of /home to other folder
[13:12] <mungojerry> but my work pc i am ownclouding
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> I backup ~, /etc, and /var (sometimes)
[13:13] <bigcalm[mob]> Hi peeps :)
[13:13] <AlanBell> hi bigcalm
[13:13] <bigcalm[mob]> Pop
[13:14] <bigcalm[mob]> Alanbell: I'm at  conference today hence my lack of response but get email when mentioned.
[13:15] <bigcalm[mob]> Yes still up for beerage on Saturday
[13:15] <bigcalm[mob]> popey: see above in response to your question as well :)
[13:16] <popey> woot
[13:16] <popey> will see if I can get a pass
[13:16] <bigcalm[mob]> davmor2: London continues to suck
[13:16] <bigcalm[mob]> Get a pass from whom?
[13:18] <AlanBell> bigcalm[mob]: when are you in London until?
[13:18] <bigcalm[mob]> popey: I'm down for 4 days, so don't feel limited to Saturday evening :)
[13:19] <davmor2> bigcalm[mob]: did you ever stop to wonder if it only sucks when you are there?  I think they do it deliberately for visitors ;)
[13:19] <bigcalm[mob]> AlanBell: I have an off peak ticket, so have to wait around until 7pmish u
[13:19] <davmor2> bigcalm[mob]: Everyone seems to rave about London but I'm with you I just don't see it :)
[13:19] <bigcalm[mob]> Before I can go home
[13:20] <bigcalm[mob]> davmor2: hehe. You might be right
[13:21] <bigcalm[mob]> AlanBell: are you in the big smoke today?
[13:21] <christel> i'm not a big fan of londonia
[13:21] <AlanBell> bigcalm[mob]: no, not today
[13:21]  * bigcalm[mob] hugs christel
[13:22]  * christel hugs bigcalm[mob] 
[13:22] <bigcalm[mob]> Time to go. Catch you later
[13:22] <christel> i intend to mention bigcalm in every other sentence now just so  that he keeps getting emails saying that someone is talking about him!
[13:23] <davmor2> christel: that's just harsh think about bigcalm 's poor inbox
[13:23] <davmor2> christel: bigcalm is right though it soon gets boring :D
[13:24] <christel> that is exactly what i am doing! bigcalm will feel loved and special when he gets something other than spam
[13:24] <christel> oh i didnt spot your evil twin before he left!
[13:24] <diplo> what has bigcalm setup ? Can't be bothered to scroll up?
[13:25] <popey> bigcalm, where are you staying?
[13:25] <davmor2> yeah I need to swap it's irc channels over to me irssi proxy
[13:25] <christel> diplo: he has one of these irc -> email scripts running so that he gets an email whenever we Talk About Him
[13:25] <christel> (paranoid man that bigcalm is!)
[13:26] <diplo> bigcalm sounds very paranoid!
[13:26]  * diplo wonders how soon it will take bigcalm to get annoyed with it
[13:26] <diplo> :P
[13:27] <davmor2> diplo: it's useful if you are on more than one channel :)
[13:28] <diplo> I guess I'm not that fussed :)
[13:40] <popey> bigcalm can come and tidy my desk for me Needs a tidy... http://popey.com/~alan/desk.jpg
[13:41] <brobostigon> wow, nice setup.
[13:45] <davmor2> popey: I don't think you have anywhere near enough screens, keyboard or tablets there you need MOAR
[13:46] <popey> +1
[13:47]  * mgdm has a 27" iMac and a 32" telly on his desk at work for testing porpoises
[13:47] <mgdm> I can barely move
[13:51] <directhex> how does one evaluate small cetaceans with LCD displays?
[13:52] <mgdm> very well, thank you
[13:54] <mattt> i need a new monitor for home
[13:54] <mattt> any recommendations?
[13:54] <mattt> 24" widescreen or something of that nature
[13:54] <Dave2> Dell U2412M
[13:55] <AlanBell> for testing porpoises go to testtheporpoise.com. simples
[13:55]  * mgdm has a Samsung 24" 1080p monitor, which is fine
[13:55] <mgdm> I can't remember the model, sadly
[13:55] <mattt> yeah, i quite like the dell ultrasharps
[13:56] <mattt> they're quite ex tho :)
[13:56] <mattt> mgdm: cool, will have a peek
[13:57] <gord> i have two 24" samsung 1200p monitors :P
[13:57] <popey> i have a cheap philips on my desk
[13:58] <gord> i have to keep checking websites to catch them when they are cheep. everything else is 1080p or rediculously expensive
[13:58] <popey> be nice if they did monitors with 2xvga, 2xdvi and 2xhdmi
[13:58] <gord> why would you want two inputs?
[13:58] <mgdm> this one actually doesn' thave a model number written on it
[13:58] <mgdm> suffice to say it's a SyncMaster of some sort
[13:59] <gord> syncmasters say on the top left, least both of mine do
[13:59] <mgdm> Oh, FFS
[13:59] <gord> :P
[13:59] <mgdm> Yes, it's a P2450 :) I suspect they'll have a newer one by now
[14:08] <bigcalm_laptop> Gits :P
[14:08] <bigcalm_laptop> Love you all though
[14:09] <christel> <3
[14:13] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: now or next week?
[15:15] <popey> bug 1042343
[15:25] <shauno> remind me again, why can't we ban timezones?
[15:27] <mgdm> I'd like to ban daylight saving time
[15:28] <shauno> I want to scrap them completely.  my head hurts.
[17:21] <Seeker`> hmm, preordered an iphone 5 through carphone warehouse over the phone. Wonder whether I should have had a confirmation email yet
[17:36] <pinky-> iphone 5 is only avail on EE and Three, not avail on 02 or Voda.. The battercharger from old iphones are obsolete so new required also
[17:36] <AlanBell> wonder if the daily live cd works today
[17:38] <pinky-> battery*
[17:38] <pinky-> oh and you cannot make a call and surf net at same time
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: yay Apple.. oh wait
[17:42]  * MartijnVdS had an interesting experience with Apple's lock-in today
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> or actually, other people did (I just showed them that what they wanted to do was impossible unless they used ONLY apple hard/software)
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> (or ONLY other hard/software)
[17:43] <Seeker`> pinky-: well, thats just wrong
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> no mixing
[17:43] <pinky-> I'm desperate for a new phone and undecided what to buy next...
[17:44] <Seeker`> iphone 5 is available on all of the operators on the UK
[17:44] <Seeker`> You can only get 4G on EE / Three in the near future
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: Galaxy Nexus still wins for me :)
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> even though it's almost a year old now
[17:44] <pinky-> I read tech-news otherday that said different
[17:44] <pinky-> maybe I need to research further
[17:44] <Seeker`> http://www.vodafone.co.uk/brands/iphone/pay-monthly-iphone/index.htm
[17:45] <Seeker`> Well, that took the whole of 2 seconds to disprove :P
[17:45] <Seeker`> and http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/iphone-5
[17:45] <Seeker`> o2 are being really slow releasing their pre-orders though
[17:45] <Seeker`> hence why I gave up and pre-ordered from carphone warehoues
[17:47] <pinky-> The iPhone 5′s LTE Will Only Work on EE, Even After Vodafone and O2 Roll Out 4G too <= yes I see news has been updated thanks for pointing it out
[17:48] <popey> Ng, ordered yours? :)
[17:48] <Ng> popey: yup
[17:48] <popey> :)
[17:48] <Ng> 32gb black
[17:48] <Ng> popey: you?
[17:49] <Seeker`> Ng: snap
[17:49] <popey> nope
[17:49] <popey> sticking with 4s till Ubuntu phone arrives :)
[17:49] <Seeker`> Ng: who did you order with?
[17:49]  * Seeker` is upgrading from an almost-broken 3GS
[17:49] <Ng> Seeker`: direct from apple
[17:50] <pinky-> http://www.information-age.com/channels/comms-and-networking/news/2123318/apple-iphone-5-is-an-ee-4g-exclusive-in-the-uk.thtml
[17:50] <Seeker`> I tried to do that. Ran out between putting it in my basket and getting to the checkout though
[17:50] <Seeker`> pinky-: 'a 4G exclusive'
[17:51] <pinky-> says on that page.. Everything Everywhere, the owner of the T-Mobile and Orange networks, is in the process of selling part of its 4G band to mobile operator Three. If it went ahead, the deal would make Three the only other mobile operator in the UK to offer 4G services compatible with Apple's new iPhone.
[17:51] <Seeker`> yup. 4G services compatible. Not that Vodafone or O2 can't have the iphone 5.
[17:51] <Seeker`> Not sure how many other ways there are of saying it
[17:52] <pinky-> hehe
[17:52] <Seeker`> not sure whether I should be concerned over lack of confirmation email
[17:53] <Seeker`> I bet HSBC have blocked the payment or something. They seem to be really bored in their fraud department at the moment, seem to be blocking just about every transaction with my credit card.
[17:55] <pinky-> 2 wifi's in the iphone 5 is quite funky..
[17:59] <pinky-> I watch BBC Parliament regular in day time when nothing else on and I've noticed alllll politicians use Blackberrys. It must be because of encryption.
[18:00] <pinky-> and/or group chat
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> No, it's because they don't have any connection with "normal" people
[18:03] <pinky-> hehe well said:)
[18:05] <pinky-> yeah I liked Blackberry when they were first launched but I wouldn't buy one now
[18:07] <pinky-> and I really do need a new mobilephone
[18:08] <pinky-> I wonder if the new iphone 5 has real glass for the screen and break if you drop them? I don't know as not looked it up or read anything related yet.
[18:09] <pinky-> hmm I'm off to look stuff up, bbiab
[18:18] <bigcalm_laptop> Good afternoon peeps :)
[18:26] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: you know it's evening now right?
[18:27] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: time is relative. And it _is_ after noon :)
[18:27] <bigcalm_laptop> Best thing about London?
[18:27] <bigcalm_laptop> Leaving it to go home :)
[18:27] <pinky-> don't wear a watch and "you" decide what the time is
[18:27] <popey> pip pip
[18:28] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: That's not fair, there are some good people there too, but on the whole I find the best thing about London is it makes you appreciate where you live more :)
[18:29] <davmor2> popey: Tally Ho
[18:30] <pinky-> yeah I was born and bred in Hayes near Uxbridge but live in Yorkshire now and I'm much happier here as life is quiet and slow
[18:30] <pinky-> and the air is freash
[18:32] <pinky-> I live in a small village 1 mile from the sea and everybody knows everybody in the village... they miss nothing!
[18:32] <pinky-> so everybody behaves
[18:33] <pinky-> I could never move back to London, been here too long now and like it
[18:34] <pinky-> moving back to London would disturb me
[18:36] <popey> i used to work in uxbridge for a while
[18:36] <popey> that place is a hole
[18:36] <AlanBell> so did I
[18:38] <davmor2> popey: it might be a hole but it isn't in the middle of the Atlantic now is it :D
[18:39] <popey> thats aldershot
[18:39] <pinky-> I lived in Bordon near Aldershot for a few years once too
[18:39]  * bigcalm_laptop is just passing though Watford Junction
[18:39] <bigcalm_laptop> \o/
[18:42] <pinky-> the Big Divide is somehwere just north of Watford Junction
[18:42] <pinky-> so they say
[18:45] <Seeker`> bigcalm_laptop: you'll be near me now then
[18:45]  * Seeker` expects bigcalm_laptop to drop out due to tunnels shortly
[18:52] <Azelphur> anyone know roughly how much you'd pay for a home insurance type thing that would cover you for gadgets while wandering too?
[18:54] <pinky-> I've got mobilephone insurance from my banks but I pay monthly fees for the account so I'm unsure
[18:54] <pinky-> bank*
[18:54] <Azelphur> yea, I heard it's pretty cheap if you get the whole deal covered in one go
[18:55] <pinky-> yeah I get travel insurance and RAC cover and online fraud insurance thrown in
[18:56] <Azelphur> fun
[18:56] <pinky-> freebies really. its just the account I needed
[18:57] <popey> usually you have to specify on the policy certain items over a specific value
[18:57] <Azelphur> what perks does the account give you?
[18:57] <Azelphur> ah
[18:57] <jacobw> evening
[18:58] <Azelphur> I mean I checked out a few places that offer gadget insurance, but they are usually quite expensive (£15 a month-ish) for my GS3 Nexus 7 and a laptop
[19:25]  * MartijnVdS books a trip on a boat
[19:52] <shauno> off-chance anyone knows how to get mysql to not treat í and i as equals?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> shauno: "collation"
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> is the magic word
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/367711/what-is-the-best-collation-to-use-for-mysql-with-php
[20:10] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://www.splicd.com/IzmNy3jqFog/2064/2074 british police are fun :D
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: uh what
[20:10] <Azelphur> xD
[20:11] <shauno> hm, I thought I was using utf8_bin
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> ooh, new QI tonight
[21:32] <AlanBell> QI was good
[21:46] <mattt> internet's down
[21:46] <mattt> trying bt fon
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> BT fon hom?
[21:54]  * mattt looks at martinvds
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> mattt: "ET phone home"?
[21:58] <shauno> good lord, it actually works - https://dl.dropbox.com/s/hwyayrsecnp5bqt/Screen%20Shot%202012-09-14%20at%2022.56.08.png
[21:59] <shauno> crazy i18n _and_ timezones at 11pm.  how much do I hate myself right now.
[22:00] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but can you do this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205756/
[22:01] <ali1234> great
[22:01] <ali1234> perl scripts will make even less sense
[22:02] <ali1234> python3 can do that too
[22:02] <ali1234> why does perl use that "my" keyword?
[22:02] <ali1234> what are they trying to say by calling it "my"
[22:07] <ali1234> turns out what they are trying to say is "we already used the local keyword for something totally bizarre that nobody would ever want to do"