[00:02] <jrwren_> anyone know a good program that will tell me torrent info for a given torrent file. namedly the annoucne urls?
[00:03] <jrwren_> I tried using python-bittorrent to write somehtin, but DAMN if that isn't a shitty api, I've never seen one.
[00:24] <snap-l> I seriously want to find the folks who feel this is music, and stick their head in a dryer: http://glossolaliarecords.bandcamp.com/track/vicious-perversion-and-disregard
[00:25] <snap-l> http://glossolaliarecords.bandcamp.com/album/clan-dos-mortos-cicatriz-alkmorhilyion < It's like they based their entire careeer off of the last track of Skinny Puppy's Last Rites
[00:43] <paultag> snap-l: what the christ is this
[00:48] <snap-l> shit that shows up in my searches for CC metal
[00:49] <jrwren_> deluge and python-libtorrent ftw
[00:49] <paultag> snap-l: the fuck
[00:50] <snap-l> paultag: If you put more than 10 seconds listening to it, you're a braver man than I
[00:50] <paultag> snap-l: I went about 30 seconds in and was waiting for the drop
[00:50] <paultag> figured it was new wave dubstep
[00:51] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/knewdigate-stillwaters/
[00:51] <snap-l> I'd take 50 minutes of dubstep over that
[00:51] <snap-l> "Soothing, meditative, soulful piano by qualified Music Therapist
[00:51] <snap-l> AKA New Agey
[00:54] <paultag> I'll stick with my jams
[00:54] <paultag> which all sound like acid flashbacks
[00:54] <paultag> and I'm ok with that.
[00:54] <snap-l> What sort of stuff?
[00:54] <paultag> snap-l: right this very second, I've got http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX-5YVVeULA&feature=related on
[00:54] <paultag> I love this band
[00:54] <paultag> just backed their last kickstarter
[00:56] <snap-l> Ah, so you love the more trippy, slower stuff
[00:56] <paultag> yessir
[00:57] <snap-l> http://carthasy.bandcamp.com/
[01:15] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdIWKytq_q4 <- Hilarious.
[01:16] <paultag> snap-l: I giggled for minutes this morning watching that
[01:16] <paultag> snap-l: re: carthasy, not bad
[01:16] <snap-l> Thing is, it's so spot on
[01:16] <snap-l> Yeah, I like Carthasy.
[01:16] <paultag> totally
[01:17] <paultag> those folks must be hella bummed they said yes to that interview
[01:17] <snap-l> Well, I wonder how many folks they had to go through to find that batch
[01:18] <paultag> yr
[01:18] <paultag> yar
[01:50] <jrwren_> https://gist.github.com/3719337
[12:50] <brousch> snap-l: Have you heard these from Daniel Bautista? http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a113216/recycle-bin-2
[12:53] <snap-l> Nope, not yet
[12:53] <snap-l> Downloading. :)
[12:53] <snap-l> THank you.
[13:15] <brousch> snap-l: I like Bukkake best so far
[13:15] <brousch> OK, that didn't come out right
[13:16] <paultag> …
[13:16] <paultag> someone needs to put that in the /topic
[13:20] <rick_h__> dude, that was a cards against humanity card that we had to explain to my wife and now you're saying you like it best of all
[13:21] <brousch> There's a song in the album I linked snap-l to called "Bukkake"
[13:21] <paultag> sure
[13:22] <snap-l> Uh huh
[13:23] <snap-l> note how quickly he qualified it.
[13:28] <brousch> Ah dammit
[13:28] <brousch> I like Crabs too
[13:28] <rick_h__> lol
[13:28] <rick_h__> go brousch go!
[13:29] <snap-l> I'm just glad he didn't say he liked DIsmembered Boys
[13:29] <paultag> haha, oh lordy
[13:29] <paultag> I'm saving these logs
[13:31] <brousch> Well there goes my political career
[13:34] <paultag> oh trust me, they've all done way way worse stuff.
[13:34] <paultag> but they're absurdly rich, so none of that matters
[13:37]  * brousch likes another one. Is afraid to look at the title
[13:37] <brousch> Follow the Leather. That's not so bad
[13:43] <snap-l> Keep digging
[14:49] <nullspace> rick_h__: know of a good source for hand planes that arn't rediciolusly priced
[14:49] <rick_h__> nullspace: ebay
[14:49] <rick_h__> I've gotten most of mine via ebay and replaced the irons with hock iron/chipbreakers and <3 them
[14:51] <rick_h__> http://www.hocktools.com/products.htm
[14:55] <nullspace> thanks, hmm wonder why I never thought of ebay...
[14:55] <rick_h__> yea, check out millers falls, they're an old brand that makes nice planes
[14:56] <rick_h__> that's most of my collection
[14:56] <rick_h__> leevalley has the best price/new plane setup if you can get there
[14:56] <rick_h__> I just bought a shoulder plane from them should be here on monday
[14:56] <rick_h__> nullspace: or if it's a limited thing swing by some time. I've been pulling the woodshop out of mothballs
[16:31] <snap-l> http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/24001/senior-systems-administrator-stack-exchange
[16:31] <snap-l> It's a windows shop, but interesting
[16:34] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/9853/nekrogoblikon-no-one-survives-video
[16:47] <jrwren> they do a great job, very well designed infrastrcturw
[16:48] <jrwren> "Haproxy, Nginx, Redis, and Puppet"   <-- not your typical windows shop :)
[16:56] <paultag> might as well use GNU/Linux
[16:58] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh definittely
[17:45] <krondor> stacexchange actually had a good argument blog post once for why they used windows where they did and linux where they did
[17:48] <snap-l> krondor: Yeah, I have no qualms over them using WIndows
[17:48] <snap-l> it's what they're familiar with, and I'm sure they did their homework
[17:49] <snap-l> It's the ones that aren't pragmatic about it, and have blind brand loyalty that get my goat
[17:49] <snap-l> and yes, I know that makes me a hypocrite. :)
[17:50] <brousch> LINUX ALL THE THINGS
[17:50] <snap-l> I've had the best luck with Linux
[17:51] <snap-l> A more nuanced opinion: If your sole reason for going with a technology is "we've always done it that way", that's not valid
[17:52] <snap-l> If your reason is "I'm most comfortable with it, and it does what I need", that's valid.
[17:52] <snap-l> I find no comfort in using Windows.
[17:52] <krondor> yeah which I can't findthe story I was thinking of seems to have been their gist
[17:53] <krondor> http://highscalability.com/blog/2009/8/5/stack-overflow-architecture.html (ms stack familiarity is mentioned)
[17:56] <snap-l> I'd be very surprised of any site that Jeff Atwood or Joel Spolsky built using anything but MS
[17:57] <krondor> actually there's some newer ones I should read, I always like reading about other large environment architectures
[17:58] <krondor> http://highscalability.com/blog/2011/10/24/stackexchange-architecture-updates-running-smoothly-amazon-4.html they've got some thoughts about amazon in there and multi-datacenter
[17:59] <snap-l> Amazon is not cheap
[17:59] <paultag> it's not expensive, either
[17:59] <paultag> I'm using it for personal usage, it's ruddy great.
[17:59] <snap-l> You're paying a premium to not host your own stuff
[18:00] <snap-l> paultag: For low usage, it makes sense
[18:00] <paultag> I don't want to hose this stuff
[18:00] <paultag> host* :)
[18:00] <snap-l> but my Linode instance is comparable in price
[18:00] <paultag> I use it to spawn up 50 machines at a shot to do some builds and stuff
[18:00] <paultag> one instance sure
[18:00] <snap-l> paultag: It's awesome for that
[18:00] <paultag> I have a Linode myself, because it's backed by more then ramfs
[18:00] <snap-l> if you need to scale up quickly, it's perfect for that
[18:01] <paultag> but for throwing loads at it, it's flawless, and not expensive
[18:01] <paultag> I spent 4 bucks last month and i used it like crazy
[18:01] <snap-l> "We're noticing 10% increase in traffic. Add 10% more machines"
[18:01] <snap-l> That's what it solves
[18:01] <snap-l> it's not good for bread-and-butter computing
[18:01] <paultag> nah
[18:02] <snap-l> Also, if you're running Windows, it's ridiculously expensive
[18:02] <snap-l> and I think that's what Stack Exchange learned.
[18:04] <jcastro> SO scales up not out
[18:04] <jcastro> also iirc their cloud stuff was on azure in the old days
[18:04] <paultag> jcastro: azure is 2 years old
[18:04] <paultag> old days?
[18:05] <snap-l> two years old is a lifetimein compters. :)
[18:05] <krondor> 2 years is a long time particularly in things like aws, azure, etc...
[18:05] <paultag> but hardly "old days"
[18:05] <snap-l> paultag: While you ate breakfast, I started a company, had my IPO, and promptly tanked it before you could finish your orange juice.
[18:06] <paultag> mmm.
[18:06] <krondor> from that last link it seems SO has little redundancy actually.  Active in NY (1 DC), read only in Oregon (1 DC).  Surprised they're not more distributed.
[18:06] <jcastro> well, I mean vs. the newer stuff they just launched this summer
[18:06] <snap-l> krondor: They seem to have a more monolithic approach
[18:06] <snap-l> like SF had.
[18:07] <krondor> scares me for environmental.. water main bursts and ouch! things like that.
[19:17] <jrwren> amazon is cheap. its a whole lot cheaper than doing it yourself, until it isn't.
[19:20] <snap-l> jrwren: That's an awesome way of putting it. :-P
[19:20] <snap-l> It's cheaper, until it isn't.
[19:20] <jrwren> yup.
[19:20] <snap-l> and then it isn't. ;)
[19:20] <paultag> that's deep
[19:20] <paultag> until it's not
[19:21] <jrwren> we use it for 20 or so instances, and it is WAY cheaper than paying someone to maintain that many servers. even if we didn't hvae to buy the servers!
[19:21] <snap-l> Ah, now that's different
[19:22] <snap-l> if you're factoring in datacenter dudes, then yeah, it can be cheaper
[19:22] <jrwren> yeah, that is what I mean.
[19:23] <paultag> nothing makes you feel like you're alive then blowing a few bucks kicking up 20 large instances for poops and chuckless
[19:23] <paultag> chuckles
[19:24] <snap-l> Yeah, Amazon is great for back-of-the-envelope computing
[19:24] <paultag> totally
[19:24] <paultag> rebuilding debian on aws is killer too
[19:24] <paultag> a bunch faster and easier to kick off
[19:24] <paultag> and run a few at once
[19:24] <paultag> we got us some credits to do that
[19:25] <jrwren> was great to spin up an instance in ireland to proxy and watch olympics too
[19:25] <paultag> +1
[19:25] <paultag> I was getting my buddy to wire that up with netflix
[19:25] <paultag> ruddy brilliant (moreso, since 'flix uses EC2 for their stuff, too)
[20:28] <jcastro> jrwren, hey
[20:28] <jcastro> where do you live in relation to plymouth?
[20:29] <brousch> Did you Pythonistas know about pip --download-cache ?
[20:29] <brousch> You can use an environment var
[20:30] <brousch> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10336308/how-to-cache-downloaded-pip-packages
[20:30] <jcastro> hey smoser
[20:31] <jcastro> mramm and I want to drink beer
[20:31] <smoser> hey
[20:31] <jrwren> jcastro: 15miles south of ann arbor right off US23, so probably 30min from Plymouth
[20:31] <smoser> jcastro, i dant do it tonight. i have a sitter and a date
[20:31] <jcastro> (anyone else around the plymouth area?)
[20:31] <jcastro> jrwren, OHRLY, what exit?
[20:31] <jrwren> Carpenter Road, I think it is #27
[20:31] <jcastro> I found out today that flav is on Geddes.
[20:32] <jcastro> jrwren, OMG.
[20:32] <jcastro> jrwren, that's where I just bought a house
[20:32] <jrwren> yeah, flav is in awesome spot in AA
[20:32] <jcastro> carpenter and ellsworth
[20:32] <jrwren> jcastro: that is about 10 miles north of wehre I am at. but SWEET
[20:32] <jcastro> oh
[20:32] <jcastro> does the road turn around or something?
[20:32] <jcastro> jrwren, well, if you want to have beers tonight
[20:33] <jrwren> jcastro: I'll try to get wife perms. what time you thinking?
[20:33] <jcastro> mramm, smoser is going on a date
[20:33] <mramm> good for smooser!
[20:33] <jcastro> dunno, I am flexible
[20:33] <jrwren> I should have called a baby sitter for tonight.
[20:35] <jcastro> I can get used to calling him "smooser".
[20:35] <mramm> haha
[20:35] <mramm> typo's can be fun
[20:36] <jrwren> did you move in?
[20:36] <jrwren> oh no... plymouth. nevermind.
[20:39] <jcastro> not yet
[20:39] <jcastro> I close on Wednesday
[20:39] <jcastro> then whenever my stuff gets here
[20:52] <rick_h_droid> who brought mramm in here? blackmail involved?
[20:52] <mramm> haha
[20:52] <mramm> yes
[20:52] <mramm> but no-one is allowed to tell
[20:52] <mramm> and it's even possible that I was the one doing the blackmail
[20:54] <jcastro> I noted he was missing and it didn't seem right
[20:54] <jrwren> i'm gonna tell.
[23:01] <derekv> BTW SystemRescueCD is the bees knees