[13:18] <netritious> oh the FUD: http://goo.gl/w6Iq8
[13:20] <netritious> “This doesn’t reveal anything we didn’t already know about Linux and it just shows that it’s a great tool for people who otherwise want something quick and dirty. ..."
[13:20] <netritious> "... Just as much as it’s an excellent platform for at-home hobbyists, bloggers, or others who want a webserver on the quick; it’ll also be the go-to platform for fly-by-night and small criminal enterprises.”
[13:22] <wrst> netritious: about to read, but its also what most websites are hosted on too
[13:22] <netritious> I bet they only use winders at Iovation.
[13:23] <netritious> yep, and also Google, IBM, HP, Oracle....the list goes on forever
[13:25] <netritious> what I mean to say is, Linux is used by Fortune 500 companies, not just "at-home hobbyists" and "fly-by-night ... criminal enterprises"
[13:25] <netritious> like I said wrst, I bet they only use winders at Iovation.
[13:26] <wrst> netritious: i just scanned that but their numbers say 2.3% linux 1.4% windows 1%mac so by that you could say that other os's do more than linux especially considering most websites are hosted on linux and seems they are including webservers
[13:27] <wrst> that host malicious code
[13:28] <netritious> I think it just means that Linux is easier to use as a hacking tool than say Windows or Mac ;)
[13:29] <netritious> a buddy of mine went to blackhat and said everyone used some flavor of Linux. Few, very very few, had Macs. No one had Windows, unless it was for a demonstration. :)
[13:30] <wrst> that's true also bactrax anyone?
[13:30] <wrst> or backtracks or however its spelled
[13:30] <netritious> BackTrack
[13:30] <wrst> thank you :)
[13:32] <netritious> yw :)
[13:32] <netritious> but idk, maybe I am just being sensitive or didn't read something right, but it sure looks like they are downplaying Linux's existing role in the grand scheme of things.
[13:33] <netritious> *they = iovation and the author/blog/web site editor
[13:33] <wrst> yes very much an attack ad disguised as factual, but hey its an election year thats how we roll :)
[13:34] <netritious> haha, yeah...almost like "Linux used for Evil" = "Linux Bad"
[13:35] <wrst> yeah just silly stuff
[13:35] <netritious> lol makes me think "Can Opener used for Evil" = "Can Opener Bad"
[13:36] <wrst> yep exactly... garbage bag used for murder, gargabe bag = bad
[13:36] <wrst> i may have elevated that example a little too far!
[13:36] <netritious> nah, same thing ;)
[13:36] <wrst> ha ha :)
[13:36] <wrst> ok
[13:38] <netritious> Evil Can Opener...sounds like a sponge bob super villain lol
[13:39] <netritious> TGIF wrst! lol
[13:39] <wrst> you bet netritious!
[13:40] <wrst> i love me some spongebob
[13:40] <netritious> haha me too...best fmaily show on TV IMHO
[13:40] <netritious> *family
[13:41] <wrst> i never noticed the spelling, i read it correctly :)
[13:43]  * netritious wonders where's xTEMPLARx is
[13:47] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: !!!! where are you???
[13:47] <wrst> well that didn't work netritious
[13:50] <Svpernova09> netritious: you going to security b sides tomorrow?
[13:52] <kanliot> morning
[14:00] <netritious> looks pretty interesting Svpernova09...just heard about it though :/
[14:01] <netritious> morning kanliot
[14:01] <Svpernova09> Damn mississippi lag is brutal.
[14:01] <Svpernova09> :_X
[14:01] <kanliot> o/ netritious
[14:02] <netritious> lol Svpernova09
[14:16] <netritious> Svpernova09: are they going to stream the event live?
[14:16] <Svpernova09> I don't think so.
[14:17] <Svpernova09> Haven't seen htem say anything about it yet.
[14:17] <wrst> howdy Svpernova09, kanliot
[14:18] <netritious> Svpernova09: Oh well. I've been so wrapped up getting things done around the house lately that I've been a little disconnected from the net.
[14:19] <Svpernova09> Understandable.
[14:19] <netritious> garbage disposal has gone out, putting A/C in teh closet this weekend (maybe, should happen but we'll see if my bud comes through), etc
[14:21] <netritious> rather, installing in a vent and a return where there is none now :P
[14:22] <Svpernova09> nice
[14:23] <netritious> s/in/...just 'installing' lol
[14:23]  * wrst wonders if this is to keep computer components cool
[14:24] <netritious> yeah, got this IBM cabinet from Genphlux, but won't fit, so robbing the rail parts to mount inside the closet, then move servers.
[14:26] <netritious> In the winter I'll actually be able to recycle the heat back into the house.
[14:27] <netritious> looking for a "fart fan sized" exhaust fan with an automatic thermostat sensor...to hot? turn on. not as hot? turn off. With a kill switch for the summer time of course.
[14:28] <wrst> nice netritious, heating your house with servers
[14:28] <wrst> now if that ain't geeky tell me what is?
[14:28] <netritious> not exhaust, intake fan...get cold air from the attic
[14:29] <netritious> wrst: on a scale of 1-10 an 11 lol
[14:30] <wrst> yes i would say possibly a 12 ;)
[14:30] <netritious> :D
[14:39] <wrst> well netritious i would have to say i am turning into a linux snob
[14:39] <wrst> full blown
[14:41] <netritious> lol, I myself have become an RTFM and GIYF kinda guy lately
[14:42] <wrst> ha ha
[14:43] <wrst> well I was putting Arch back on my laptop after i became increasingly unsatisified yet again with ubuntu running gnome and i was thinking man i actually like it better since there is no installer
[14:43] <netritious> If I can to look it up, then /you/ can look it up lol. kinda the point of someone putting the info out there in the first place...so no one has to repeat the process of explaining how to solve <insert your problem here>
[14:43] <wrst> exactly!
[14:44] <netritious> wrst: yeah, it feels "cleaner" for some reason, at least to me.
[14:44] <wrst> you are turning into an elitist netritious ;)
[14:44] <netritious> but I get that feeling with minimal ubuntu or minmal debian, etc
[14:44] <wrst> yeah and i wanted ubuntu to be for me again i used the net installer and got rid of a lot of the fluff but still not right
[14:44] <wrst> and funny thing is ubuntu one works better in arch on gnome than it does in ubuntu :)
[14:45] <netritious> ouch that's pretty sad
[14:45] <wrst> i may have been missing a pacakge somewhere also but the integration wasn't as good in ubuntu
[14:45] <netritious> competing product runs your software better than you lol
[14:45] <wrst> now of course in unity that's a different story
[14:48] <netritious> I have yet to kill off winders in my home. Some of that is the wife...she ::has to have:: MS Word.
[14:49] <netritious> And no, there is no arguing or research to do there...it's been done and MS Word is what she has to have.
[14:50] <netritious> it works and was cheap enough...$130 x 3 home user lic., and her Win7 PC doubles as the living room entertainment and general purpose PC
[14:51] <wrst> well you can always do it in wine netritious
[14:51] <wrst> but i agree ms office is better than open office
[14:51] <wrst> or LO or whatever you call it now
[14:51] <wrst> but LO works well enough for me
[14:51] <wrst> at home
[14:52] <wrst> at work i really do prefer excel
[14:52] <netritious> Nope, you can't. MS updates fail quite often in that scenario. So what you end up with is a version of MS Word that can't be updated and is unsupported. For a technical Editor, that just won't fly lol.
[14:53] <netritious> And for a security paranoid fellow as a husband, doesn't fly with me either.
[14:53] <wrst> i would love to see ms office for linux, i would buy it
[14:53] <netritious> me too wrst
[14:55] <wrst> my wifes macbook has ms office on it... and it annoys the time out of me
[15:00] <netritious> lol wrst
[15:02] <netritious> I think of it like this: it's better to run a patched MS product than an unpactched MS product.
[15:02] <wrst> true
[15:03] <wrst> well netritious on mac office is fine but the interface isn't the ribbon which i don't hate, just tolerate it but a typical menu system but its different from windows just enough to confuse me, granted that doesn't take a great deal of work
[15:04] <netritious> lol, lazy wrst :D
[15:04] <netritious> I'm not a MS advocate by any means, but it works for what I use it for. Daughter still has XP to, but is seldomly used. Almost always she prefers her ubuntu install.
[15:05] <wrst> true true
[15:05] <wrst> netritious: i'm a what gets the job done advocate, and windows gets the job done for certain things, for me at home I have absolutely no use for the headache of managing it
[15:06] <wrst> i can run Arch on my laptop and my blend of debian and ubuntu servers and just keep my stuff updated and know within reason all is well if i don't just take a total stupid pill
[15:08] <netritious> I don't see why windows is hard to manage. If you keep it updated and don't look for illegal things or visit "less desirable" areas as you put it yesterday :) you generally shouldn't have a problem.
[15:08] <netritious> I mean, there is some maint. that has to take place, but every OS needs maint. just comes in different forms, although much of it is the same.
[15:09]  * netritious didn't feel like googling how to spell maintenance(?)
[15:09] <netritious> I think that's it, but wouldn't be surprised if it's wrong lol
[15:09] <wrst> yeah it is but i think my thing is the whole, you visit a site say a coupon site for my wife and the "your computer is infected, click here" thing comes up
[15:09] <wrst> well she clicks and there you go
[15:10] <wrst> dns settings changed sending everything to their server and all the other junk that happens
[15:10] <wrst> and use i'm bitter and thats a true story
[15:10] <netritious> well, for one, it sounds like you aren't immunizing the system against known sites that propagate such drivel
[15:10] <wrst> i think OS X requires elevation in privelages to change those settings so would require a password were most windows boxes don't even have a password setup so you don't really think at all
[15:11] <wrst> yeah netritious, i don't have to do that if i'm not running windows
[15:11] <netritious> not that is the be-all-end-all, but man it is a small thing to do and works really well for me and the systems I manage.
[15:11] <wrst> and its my wife's machine when i tell her, hey i need to make sure everything is ok, i get teh oh its fine response :)
[15:12] <netritious> But watch, I'll be pwn'ed by this afternoon for saying so lol
[15:12] <netritious> lol wrst
[15:12] <wrst> netritious: that's why i'm going to keep her on os x and me on linux you have a lot less worries
[15:12] <wrst> but i agree a properly set up windows machine can be safe and secure, but it takes possibly a little more work with windows
[15:13] <netritious> wrst: I thought you used OpenDNS? Doesn't that pretty much relieve you of having to worry as much?
[15:13] <netritious> notice I say "as much" lol
[15:13] <wrst> no i haven't set it up again since we moved
[15:13] <netritious> ah
[15:13] <wrst> but that is also why i started using opendns
[15:13] <wrst> and since she is on a better system its not as big of a deal
[15:14]  * netritious Evil Can Opener Strikes Again!
[15:14] <netritious> just poking fun at you wrst ;)
[15:16] <wrst> ha ha netritious :)
[17:57] <wrst> netritious: we may be building a garage here in a month or two, any ideas on waht i can do to geek it up?
[19:49] <netritious> wrst: be creative? :)
[20:01] <wrst> ha ha i hope to be :)
[22:04] <Svpernova09> hey netritious : @BsidesMemphis
[22:04] <Svpernova09> #BSidesMemphis 2012 live streaming possible. Watch the tweets for more info.
[22:08] <netritious> cool...thx for letting me know Svpernova09
[22:08] <Svpernova09> np
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