[06:32] <ailo-w> good morning Europe. Good night America
[06:37] <ailo-w> And maybe HK hasn't come home from school yet?
[08:26] <ailo-w> Would anyone like to volunteer for updating this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UbuntuStudio
[08:33] <smartboyhw> Let me finish my publishing one first:)
[08:38] <ailo-w> It was last updated 2008. I'm sure there is something there that is worth
[08:40] <smartboyhw> Well but then now balloons is planning to rewrite testcases in a standard form + distro special items
[08:40] <smartboyhw> So ailo-w: I'm not sure we should update it
[08:56] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Who is balloons?
[08:56] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: We need a special testcase for Ubuntu Studio
[09:00] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: Oh you don't know. balloons is Nicholas Skaggs, the Canoncial QA guy responsible for community testing:)
[09:00] <smartboyhw> Anyway I will contact him for special testcase writing
[09:28] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: He's of course not responsible for Ubuntu Studio test cases
[09:28] <smartboyhw> I know he's the coordinator ailo-w
[09:28] <smartboyhw> For ALL flavors
[09:28] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: What we need to consider is what we can use from generic test cases, such as those for Ubuntu and Xubuntu, whether we need to use those at all, and what we should add of what is specific to Ubuntu Studio
[09:29] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: He's not responsible for what is specific for Ubuntu Studio
[09:29] <ailo-w> We are
[09:29] <smartboyhw> I know then who gonna write it?
[09:29] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Anyone here
[09:30] <smartboyhw> Grrrrr
[09:30] <ailo-w> astraljava1: You veru busy? I know you were wanting to handle Ubuntu Studio testing QA
[09:30] <ailo-w> very*
[09:31] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: He's busy for three weeks... I can't seem to find him either
[09:31] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: I'm working on Ubuntu Studio developer docs, and will write about testing myself, something that I have not dealt with yet, unless someone else volunteers to do that part
[09:32] <smartboyhw> OK then you write the testcase ailo-w:)
[09:33] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: I'm doing all of this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/DeveloperDocumentation. Just looking for some help on specific items
[09:33]  * smartboyhw is looking at it
[09:34] <smartboyhw> That is big work:)
[09:35] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: So er what can I help then?
[09:36] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: I was just suggesting test cases, since you were mostly interested about that
[09:36] <smartboyhw> Oh alright:)
[09:37] <ailo-w> Time for lunch. bbl
[09:37] <smartboyhw> bbl
[09:37] <smartboyhw> Oops that's quick
[12:22] <smartboyhw> OK so ailo-w is back at work:)
[12:31] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Seems like I'm going in 5 min
[12:31] <smartboyhw> That's quick ailo-w:)
[12:31] <ailo-w> I have no choice. They are closing this place down
[12:31] <smartboyhw> I miss scott-work
[12:31] <ailo-w> For today
[12:31] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: What do you mean by closing this place down?
[12:32] <ailo-w> Everyone gets to go early
[12:32] <smartboyhw> Ooh congrats:)
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Wow faster than 5 min
[13:27] <smartboyhw> yeah ailo is back
[21:08] <Laney> hey
[21:09] <Laney> I was trying to fix your seeds to reflect the ubuntu-default-settings → ubuntu-settings rename, but I can't push to the branch
[21:09] <Laney> does someone here want to take care of that? :-)
[21:14] <holstein> len-dt: ailo ping ^
[21:15] <holstein> Laney: lemms see if i can find someone who can do that
[21:15] <Laney> try micahg ;)
[21:15] <holstein> i think len-dt can too
[21:15] <holstein> scottL can, but he's not here right now
[21:16] <ailo> I have yet not done any of that, so I don't even know if I as -dev am able
[21:16] <ailo> len-dt would know
[21:16] <ailo> Or Scott
[21:16] <ailo> And micahg, of course
[21:16] <Laney> you can update the seed branch if you are in -dev
[21:17] <ailo> Laney: If you can give me a step by step, I can do it right away (I presume it's fairly simple)
[21:17] <ailo> I have so far not dealt with bzr much at all
[21:17] <Laney> in desktop in ubuntustudio.quantal, change ubuntu-default-settings to ubuntu-settings
[21:18] <Laney> commit with an appropriate message ("desktop: renamed ubuntu-default-settings to ubuntu-settings, following rename in the archive")
[21:18] <Laney> and push
[21:18] <Laney> but don't worry if you aren't confident, feel free to leave it for someone else
[21:19] <ailo> I'm confident, just not done it before. I had a look at seeds. Just a textfile
[21:20] <Laney> make sure that `bzr whoami' is right
[21:20] <Laney> and that you are logged in (bzr lp-login yourusername)
[21:21] <ailo> Ok. I'll have a look
[21:31] <ailo> Well, I'm on it. Just need to get names and login right :P
[21:47] <len-dt> ailo, have you got it figgured out?
[21:48] <ailo> len-dt: Yep
[21:49] <ailo> len-dt: I had to do a bzr bind to get the adress right
[21:49] <ailo> Just commited
[21:49] <ailo> Used to git, so there's nothing after commit, right?
[21:49] <len-dt> Ok, I haven't had much time. Thanks
[21:50] <len-dt> I think micahg does the rest, he gets mail every time theres a seeds commit
[21:50] <ailo> Well, now I know a few things to add to the dev docs about seeds :)
[21:51] <len-dt> Seeds is different from all the other packages.
[21:51] <Laney> I'll upload it
[21:51] <Laney> thanks
[21:51] <ailo> Laney: Thanks for the help
[21:52] <len-dt> It's been my sons birthday today.. lots going on... and my first week back to work.
[21:53] <ailo> len-dt: No worries. I would think things go pretty smoothly. Only thing I come to think of is that no one is giving much feesback on recent changes, which I think is important, so we get things done as good as possible
[21:53] <ailo> len-dt: You've done some work on the menu, and seems like no one has really had the chance to look at that yetr
[21:54] <len-dt> I was waiting for the ISO to have all the metas in it and then for them to actually build...
[21:55] <ailo> Aha, not everything is there yet..
[21:55] <len-dt> We should have a new ISO tomorrow.
[22:19]  * micahg wonders what he does
[22:20] <micahg> ah
[22:20] <Laney> upload -meta, presumably
[22:20] <len-dt> micahg, I think it has been done
[22:20]  * micahg asked len-dt to update the seeds for that 
[22:21] <len-dt> Ya, len had family to deal with :-)
[22:21] <micahg> len-dt: ok :)
[22:21]  * micahg can upload the meta as much as laney could
[22:21] <Laney> i did it
[22:21] <micahg> Laney: I need to talk to scottl about fixing the branches so core-dev can commit
[22:22]  * micahg didn't see the -meta on -changes yet
[22:23] <Laney> LP has it
[22:31] <ailo> len-dt: Is there a way to have the "*-extra" item in the menu be at the top of the menu?
[22:41] <len-dt> ailo, yes.
[22:42] <len-dt> I would put it just below any subdirectories if I was going to move it.
[22:46] <ailo> len-dt: Why not at the top of the menu?
[22:46] <ailo> It's a function for adding more stuff to the menu. But, it'
[22:46] <ailo> it's neither an application, or a menu
[22:47] <len-dt> ailo, in the Audio production men (for example) the sub menus have their own extra...
[22:47] <ailo> So, it should be at the top of the menu, preferably with a line under it, separating it from the other items in the menu
[22:47] <len-dt> 6 of one half dozen of the other... ;-)
[22:48] <len-dt> ailo, it was partly for that reason I didn't place it.
[22:49] <ailo> len-dt: I was thinking about the submenus a bit. It striked me that there were a lot of extras. Something one is not used to seeing in a menu. Intuitively, I feel it's enough having the extras for each workflow, but I guess it doesn't hurt to keep it as is
[22:50] <ailo> I mean, the user will have the possibility to do his/her own searches. 
[22:50] <len-dt> The reason I broke it up is that the number of apps that can be added is limited by the length of the command line. So I thought that would give more room for adding things
[22:51] <len-dt> in hind sight... I have not run out of room on any of them.
[22:51] <len-dt> maybe it doesn't matter
[22:52] <ailo> Well, that's my initial perception of it. I can safely say, I had a fresh first encounter with it
[22:52] <len-dt> I'm not even sure if I chose the right apps
[22:53] <ailo> I never looked at that actually. But, I did feel this could be helpful
[22:53] <ailo> However, even one link could already do a lot
[22:54] <ailo> One for each workflow felt like more than enough
[22:54] <len-dt> That was why I did it a month ago so we could have more input. But it took some time to get it in. I think 13.04 might have something better thought out if some people try it.
[22:56] <ailo> I think it's the right way to try things. Go the full way, so to speak.