[08:08] <koegs> mrpouit: any chance that this will be fixed at any point? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/992579
[11:18] <knome> does all dvd's really need the libdvd* -packages?
[11:23] <davmor2> knome: all movie dvds will require uncrypting with libdvdcss and libdvdread to correctly display the format
[11:24] <knome> ok
[12:10] <ochosi> knome: i'll be gone for most of the weekend. please remind mrpouit to upload the themes if needed :)
[12:11] <ochosi> have a nice weekend everyone!
[12:11] <knome> ow
[12:11] <knome> hf
[12:11] <knome> see you next week
[13:39] <mips1911> Howz the bug fixes coming along, thinking of the xorg related one and gvfs duplicate icon issue
[14:55] <bluesabre> mrpouit, catfish 0.4.0.2 now available :)  Fixes the live cd issue as well as others
[14:59] <knome> pleia2, good morning sunshine!
[15:07] <pleia2> making coffee
[15:07] <knome> :)
[15:07] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Looked at the quantal team meeting and found that the weekly status is missing for Xubuntu:)
[15:10] <bluesabre> ochosi: If I remember correctly (it's been a little while now), I think I can hack manual subtitle selection into parole, by restarting the video.  Not the friendliest method, but do you think that it's necessarily bad?
[15:11] <knome> smartboyhw, correct.
[15:11] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi said he's out for the weekend
[15:11] <bluesabre> missed that
[15:11] <bluesabre> knome: thoughts?
[15:11] <knome> bluesabre, http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/parole/ntsc-fuzzy-text-4.png
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Grrrr
[15:11] <knome> bluesabre, if it works, and doesn't break stuff, i'm ok with it
[15:12] <bluesabre> oh, that's not bad.  People will stop thinking its a bug then
[15:18] <knome> bluesabre, exactly our motivation to create that
[15:18] <knome> pleia2, you're late :P
[15:18] <pleia2> yeah yeah :)
[15:19] <knome> so, i converted sections 3 and 7 to docbook
[15:19] <knome> i would actually rather want to look at other things than converting now, because:
[15:20] <knome> i think section 4 needs to be rethinked
[15:20] <knome> i mean, the structure
[15:20] <knome> others are probably fine structure-wise, but it would be great if we could confirm that the pages are ok to convert so people could get to towkr
[15:20] <knome> *work
[15:21] <knome> the footnotes are unfortunately completely up-to-date
[15:21] <knome> you will need to check our pad
[15:21] <pleia2> I dunno, I think it's fine
[15:21] <knome> the problem:
[15:21] <pleia2> I think at this stage in the game we need to strive for accuracy rather than perfection
[15:21] <knome> in the main page, we have subtitles
[15:22] <knome> those will be shown as subsections
[15:22] <knome> i'm proposing:
[15:22] <knome> 1) move the "main" page under "a quick overview of the applications"
[15:22] <knome> 2) move the media-related things under "media applications" (or sth)
[15:22] <knome> that's a simple move
[15:23] <knome> and yeah, i want accuracy too, but docbook has some limitations i don't know how to overcome, and we need to adapt to that
[15:24] <pleia2> which "main" page?
[15:25] <knome> open "quick guide to default applications"
[15:25] <pleia2> right
[15:25] <knome> if you looked at the built documentation, you'd notice that we are actually showing all subsections when you click a section or page
[15:25] <pleia2> oh, I see
[15:25] <knome> we are just linking to anchors inside those pages
[15:26] <knome> we can revert to "show only one subsection", but we have some really short pages
[15:26] <knome> and that's less optimal than having *long* pages imo :)
[15:26] <knome> that's just one 1/0, so not a biggie
[15:27] <knome> especially section 8 works much better this way imo
[15:27] <pleia2> ok yeah, so we should create a "Media" top level like we have "Internet and Networks"
[15:27] <knome> do you think so?
[15:27] <pleia2> yeah
[15:28] <knome> works for me too
[15:28] <pleia2> I think "Quick guide to default applications" can be its own thing without sub-pages
[15:28] <pleia2> like "Keeping your computer safe" is
[15:28] <knome> i think we actually had "media" previously
[15:28] <knome> but yeah, that's fine too
[15:28] <knome> we probably want to remove the "burning" page though
[15:29] <knome> that only tells where you'll find xfburn :P
[15:29] <knome> or: either remove, or extend
[15:31] <pleia2> bah, I think it's ok
[15:31] <pleia2> we can extend for 13.04
[15:32] <knome> i think it's just redundant and more work for docbook conversion ;)
[15:32] <knome> at least 5 lines...
[15:32] <knome> if i'm the one converting that section, i will leave it out :P
[15:32] <pleia2> haha
[15:32] <pleia2> ok, I'll find a way to put more words in it
[15:32] <knome> hehe, good, thanks
[15:33] <knome> apart from that, i think what we need is reviews now
[15:33] <knome> section 2, if somebody could review that
[15:33] <knome> (that one subpage)
[15:33] <knome> section 5 too, but please look at the pad at http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout
[15:33] <knome> and i think section 6 is pretty much ready to go too
[15:34] <knome> as well as 10 and 11
[15:34] <pleia2> (i've been on the pad all morning, I'm the pink person!)
[15:34] <pleia2> :)
[15:34] <knome> 4 needs that structuring work
[15:34] <knome> heh
[15:34] <knome> did you know you can name yourself?
[15:34] <pleia2> 4 is what we just talked about :)
[15:34] <pleia2> I am named too
[15:34] <knome> oh, you have
[15:34] <knome> hehe
[15:34] <knome> lol
[15:34] <knome> no pink comments on the pad though ;)
[15:34] <pleia2> that's because I'm slackin'
[15:34] <knome> yeah
[15:35] <knome> you should start workin'
[15:35] <pleia2> alright, I'll work on the burning page now and then do some reviews
[15:35] <knome> ok, thanks
[15:35] <knome> i'll do the restructuring
[15:37] <bluesabre> knome: For ubuntu package bugs (parole in ubuntu), do we mark as Fix Released when the package is available or when the version of ubuntu that package is shipping in (quantal) is released?
[15:37] <micahg> bluesabre: when it lands in Ubuntu
[15:37] <knome> restructuring done
[15:37] <bluesabre> micahg: thanks
[15:38] <knome> yeah, when a new ISO has that bug fixed
[15:40] <knome> i'm off soonish
[15:42] <bluesabre> Could somebody check if parole's system tray icon works in quantal?  It doesn't seem to work in the ppa version
[15:46] <pleia2> how's 4 lines? :) http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Burning%20CDs%20and%20DVDs#preview
[15:47] <knome> pleia2, still a bit bleh, but ok
[15:48] <pleia2> well, it's more accurate now too
[15:48] <knome> yeah
[15:48] <knome> good good :)
[15:49] <knome> ok, i'm almost flying already
[15:49] <knome> got to go
[15:49] <knome> thanks for the session, i think this clears much up
[15:49] <knome> now others; start reviewing the final bits so we can convert them!
[15:50] <knome> ->
[15:53] <pleia2> k
[16:54] <GridCube> :( i wont be able to attend the next meeting, i will be having an IRL one for my job
[20:02] <SkippersBoss> hi all
[20:05] <bluesabre> hey SkippersBoss
[20:05] <SkippersBoss> have i missed anything today ??
[20:05] <SkippersBoss> all packages still there ?
[20:06] <bluesabre> As far as I know
[20:06] <SkippersBoss> good
[21:48] <jjfrv8> Looks like the behavior of the NetworkManager icon has changed back to left-click to edit/view connections. Anyone know if that's the way it's going to stay now?
[21:55] <Sysi> is it in notification area or indicator?
[21:58] <jjfrv8> I'm not sure of the difference. It's the up and down arrows to the left of the date on a default install.
[21:59] <Sysi> nm-applet can be on notification area or indicator-network, click behaviour depends about which it's on
[22:09] <jjfrv8> Sorry, I not a dev. I'm just working on the Help document. I just experimented and removed the notification area from the panel and that did not remove the icon...
[22:09] <jjfrv8> Removing the Indicator plugin did.
[22:10] <jjfrv8> If I add the Notification area back, I get another network icon with the arrows, but it behaves the opposite of the Indicator plugin.
[22:11] <jjfrv8> The Indicator plugin icon seems to have changed behavior in the latest quantal build from last week. Which actually puts it back the way it was originally.
[22:23] <micahg> indicators should be back on an up to date quantal
[22:23] <micahg> save for the messaging indicator
[22:24] <micahg> oh, and sound is still in NEW
[22:28] <jjfrv8> micahg, if I get your drift, what I was seeing last week the result of a missing Indicator plugin and today after running latest updates, the Indicator came back...
[22:28] <jjfrv8> and that's why it appears that the icon behavior has changed?
[22:28] <micahg> yep
[22:28] <jjfrv8> Ah.
[22:28] <micahg> we had to drop the indicator plugin for beta 1
[22:29] <micahg> and then we added it back once it was installable again
[22:30] <jjfrv8> Okay, I'll go back and change my doc sections with those references again. :(
[22:31] <pleia2> jjfrv8: isn't writing documentation for a development release fun? :)
[22:31] <pleia2> (thanks for your patience)
[22:31] <jjfrv8> No worries.