| derekv | that moment when you realize that it isn't a problem with network or sshd you just had the ip wrong for the last half hour | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| derekv | actually its not half as bad as doing sysadming or troubleshooting over ssh and realizing you're totally shelled into the wrong machine | 00:07 |
| derekv | iow given I had the wrong IP, at least I was failing to connect and log in | 00:08 |
| derekv | so at least there's that | 00:08 |
| jrwren | ouch. | 00:39 |
| jrwren | at least it wasn't a super important production server and you'd typed shutdown -h now | 00:40 |
| jrwren | or ifdown eth0 :) | 00:40 |
| paultag | yo rick_h__ | 01:52 |
| paultag | rick_h__: what did you think of coffeescript? | 01:52 |
| snap-l | wow, mramm in thehouse | 02:41 |
| rick_h__ | paultag: ugh. I need to do a full project in it still but I've got mixed feelings. | 03:20 |
| paultag | heard that. | 03:21 |
| rick_h__ | I think it's a great helper/aid and provides structure nad good practice for people that don't know JS | 03:21 |
| rick_h__ | thinking along the lines of RoR or active record ORMs and the like | 03:21 |
| paultag | mmmmm. | 03:21 |
| rick_h__ | but fundamentally they can be limiting, force people into a single line of trained pattern/thought, and detrimental in the long run for true people that know/understand their stuff | 03:21 |
| rick_h__ | see jquery | 03:21 |
| derekv | How do I fix the feeling that I'm not a programmer, I just configure things. | 03:22 |
| paultag | derekv: write in ASM and relize "real" programming sucks ass. Be happy. | 03:22 |
| rick_h__ | derekv: by building a library and getting someone else to use it | 03:22 |
| rick_h__ | I think that's been the thing that's made me feel the most useful | 03:22 |
| paultag | rick_h__++ | 03:23 |
| rick_h__ | even more than the whole Bookie web app is when someone finds my library to make XXXX work/simple is probably more meaningful as it helps their programming vs just providing a tool/service for them to use | 03:23 |
| derekv | I think the world needs a new lisp class programming language. | 03:23 |
| paultag | clojure is neat | 03:23 |
| rick_h__ | kind of like you're now part of someone else's programing snowball | 03:23 |
| paultag | derekv: have you seen emacs-live? | 03:24 |
| rick_h__ | heh, isn't the problem with lisp programming languages is that there's too many? | 03:24 |
| derekv | paultag: no where is it? | 03:24 |
| paultag | I hate emacs, and that is the only reason i'd ever consider switching | 03:24 |
| paultag | derekv: https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live | 03:24 |
| paultag | derekv: http://vimeo.com/22798433[Bderhttp://vimeo.com/22798433[Bhttp://vimeo.com/22798433 | 03:24 |
| paultag | Gah! irssi! | 03:24 |
| derekv | paultag: nice | 03:25 |
| paultag | (play-chord (chord :C3 :minor)) | 03:25 |
| paultag | freeking awesome. | 03:25 |
| derekv | want to learn clojure and also continue learning haskell / CL | 03:25 |
| paultag | aye | 03:25 |
| derekv | paultag: there's been lisp music systems before | 03:26 |
| paultag | derekv: yes, I know. | 03:26 |
| paultag | derekv: but emacs-live + clojure is particularly awesome. | 03:26 |
| derekv | so the thing is that I also need to get better with javascript and with databases, and specific things we use at work | 03:26 |
| derekv | and I'm forcing myself to produce something non work related as well, which at the moment is android bookie, or else i'll just be a pit of learning | 03:27 |
| rick_h__ | derekv: yea, welcome to the 'not enough hours' syndrome | 03:27 |
| paultag | ugh | 03:27 |
| paultag | I've got so much work I need to kill off | 03:28 |
| rick_h__ | just takes time. I think it took me nearly 5 years before I felt adequate in the stuff I do today. | 03:28 |
| rick_h__ | and I've just about always had some tinkering side project outside of work to do the things I need to learn but don't have time to do during the day job | 03:28 |
| derekv | as a standing request if anyone discovers a healthy, permement solution to having to dedicate time to sleeping ... or a magic "pause time so I can hack" trick | 03:28 |
| derekv | i will pay money. | 03:29 |
| paultag | derekv: i've got something that can do the trick | 03:30 |
| paultag | it's called crack, not too expensive | 03:30 |
| rick_h__ | speaking of sleep, it's past my bed time. The boy will be up early all ready to go | 03:30 |
| rick_h__ | paultag: does that answer your CS question? | 03:30 |
| rick_h__ | unfortunately I've not used it extensively to be sold, but I think I *get* the attraction/idea | 03:30 |
| paultag | CS question? | 03:30 |
| rick_h__ | coffeescript | 03:30 |
| paultag | Ohh. | 03:30 |
| paultag | yep. | 03:30 |
| paultag | I just wanted to get your take after you played with it :) | 03:30 |
| rick_h__ | I'm a jquery hate too so maybe I just hate what the cool kids like :P | 03:31 |
| paultag | :P | 03:31 |
| derekv | man starbucks here on woodward is a great place to peoplewatch | 04:47 |
| derekv | these highschool students walked in, one gril with a football jersey, but bloused up , black pants leather boots curled hair and oddly done makeup, jock with about 2% body fat and calves that look like they weigh more than his entire upper body, and this other girl with a jean jacket craddleing a baby doll . | 04:49 |
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| tony-smlr | SMLR is live!! http://www.youtube.com/user/tbemus?v=A1950JVeQQ8 | 12:01 |
| jcastro_ | mramm, ping | 14:06 |
| mramm | jcastro_: pong | 14:22 |
| jrwren | did you guys get beer last night? | 14:39 |
| === lotia is now known as lotia-away | ||
| snap-l | hello from Beaumont | 17:12 |
| derekv | trying to decide what brakes to get for mtb | 17:54 |
| derekv | always drooled over hopes. guy at bike shop doesn't think i should due to difficulty getting parts in a timely fasion should I need parts | 17:54 |
| derekv | reviews for hopes are the most enthusiastic you can find, people who own them tend to be in awe of them | 18:03 |
| derekv | but everyone says the shimano's are good | 18:03 |
| derekv | "If you are hacker and you have forgotten your password, click here." | 18:13 |
| derekv | "to post in this forum your post count must be 5 or higher" ok wtf so I'm supposed to post in the wrong forum then? | 18:21 |
| rick_h__ | derekv: krondor was starting to get into mtn biking | 18:24 |
| derekv | the DH rims were one of the best purchases I ever made | 18:26 |
| derekv | those and lock-grips | 18:26 |
| derekv | it is MINDBLOWING how big of a difference grips make | 18:27 |
| derekv | i had no idea until I got the lockgrips, it was like I had a new bike | 18:27 |
| rick_h__ | heh, yea I've got a set of ergo grips I love | 18:28 |
| rick_h__ | with bar ends that make climbing a bit nicer | 18:28 |
| derekv | I can take or leave the bar end things | 18:34 |
| derekv | i had them on my first bike and would use them, but never got them on my current bike and never really missed them | 18:34 |
| derekv | i'm leaning towards the hopes just because of the drool factor | 18:43 |
| derekv | it may not be the most rational descision | 18:43 |
| derekv | i remember back in the day reading reviews of hope disk brakes | 18:56 |
| derekv | a very common comment was that the first time they hit the brakes they went flying over the front handlebars | 18:57 |
| derekv | i think the issue isn't so much stopping power anymore as most disk brakes probably could do that now | 18:58 |
| snap-l | Howdy | 20:15 |
| * snap-l wonders if he can even ride with you folks. JoDee and I have comfort bikes, with the wide tires | 20:15 | |
| derekv | yes | 20:19 |
| derekv | but | 20:19 |
| derekv | you might not like to ride everywhere i'd ride | 20:19 |
| derekv | what you can do is take your bike out on a trail | 20:23 |
| derekv | find the easier trails | 20:23 |
| derekv | some parks label them like ski hills | 20:23 |
| derekv | ride it and get off your bike and walk it anywhere you're not sure about | 20:23 |
| derekv | this is how everyone starts mountain biking | 20:24 |
| derekv | you decide you like riding on a trail more than on sidewalks and you start thinking about getting a different bike. | 20:24 |
| derekv | thats how it goes. | 20:24 |
| derekv | but yea i have two bikes now, the single speed with road-only tires and the mountain bike with big, big knarly tires | 20:28 |
| derekv | the later is needing some fixing up | 20:28 |
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