[00:06] <derekv> that moment when you realize that it isn't a problem with network or sshd you just had the ip wrong for the last half hour
[00:07] <derekv> actually its not half as bad as doing sysadming or troubleshooting over ssh and realizing you're totally shelled into the wrong machine
[00:08] <derekv> iow given I had the wrong IP, at least I was failing to connect and log in
[00:08] <derekv> so at least there's that
[00:39] <jrwren> ouch.
[00:40] <jrwren> at least it wasn't a super important production server and you'd typed shutdown -h now
[00:40] <jrwren> or ifdown eth0 :)
[01:52] <paultag> yo rick_h__
[01:52] <paultag> rick_h__: what did you think of coffeescript?
[02:41] <snap-l> wow, mramm in thehouse
[03:20] <rick_h__> paultag: ugh. I need to do a full project in it still but I've got mixed feelings.
[03:21] <paultag> heard that.
[03:21] <rick_h__> I think it's a great helper/aid and provides structure nad good practice for people that don't know JS
[03:21] <rick_h__> thinking along the lines of RoR or active record ORMs and the like
[03:21] <paultag> mmmmm.
[03:21] <rick_h__> but fundamentally they can be limiting, force people into a single line of trained pattern/thought, and detrimental in the long run for true people that know/understand their stuff
[03:21] <rick_h__> see jquery
[03:22] <derekv> How do I fix the feeling that I'm not a programmer, I just configure things.
[03:22] <paultag> derekv: write in ASM and relize "real" programming sucks ass. Be happy.
[03:22] <rick_h__> derekv: by building a library and getting someone else to use it
[03:22] <rick_h__> I think that's been the thing that's made me feel the most useful
[03:23] <paultag> rick_h__++
[03:23] <rick_h__> even more than the whole Bookie web app is when someone finds my library to make XXXX work/simple is probably more meaningful as it helps their programming vs just providing a tool/service for them to use
[03:23] <derekv> I think the world needs a new lisp class programming language.
[03:23] <paultag> clojure is neat
[03:23] <rick_h__> kind of like you're now part of someone else's programing snowball
[03:24] <paultag> derekv: have you seen emacs-live?
[03:24] <rick_h__> heh, isn't the problem with lisp programming languages is that there's too many?
[03:24] <derekv> paultag: no where is it?
[03:24] <paultag> I hate emacs, and that is the only reason i'd ever consider switching
[03:24] <paultag> derekv: https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live
[03:24] <paultag> derekv: http://vimeo.com/22798433[Bder	http://vimeo.com/22798433[Bhttp://vimeo.com/22798433
[03:24] <paultag> Gah! irssi!
[03:25] <derekv> paultag: nice
[03:25] <paultag> (play-chord (chord :C3 :minor))
[03:25] <paultag> freeking awesome.
[03:25] <derekv> want to learn clojure and also continue learning haskell / CL
[03:25] <paultag> aye
[03:26] <derekv> paultag: there's been lisp music systems before
[03:26] <paultag> derekv: yes, I know.
[03:26] <paultag> derekv: but emacs-live + clojure is particularly awesome.
[03:26] <derekv> so the thing is that I also need to get better with javascript and with databases, and specific things we use at work
[03:27] <derekv> and I'm forcing myself to produce something non work related as well, which at the moment is android bookie, or else i'll just be a pit of learning
[03:27] <rick_h__> derekv: yea, welcome to the 'not enough hours' syndrome
[03:27] <paultag> ugh
[03:28] <paultag> I've got so much work I need to kill off
[03:28] <rick_h__> just takes time. I think it took me nearly 5 years before I felt adequate in the stuff I do today.
[03:28] <rick_h__> and I've just about always had some tinkering side project outside of work to do the things I need to learn but don't have time to do during the day job
[03:28] <derekv> as a standing request if anyone discovers a healthy, permement solution to having to dedicate time to sleeping ... or a magic "pause time so I can hack" trick
[03:29] <derekv> i will pay money.
[03:30] <paultag> derekv: i've got something that can do the trick
[03:30] <paultag> it's called crack, not too expensive
[03:30] <rick_h__> speaking of sleep, it's past my bed time. The boy will be up early all ready to go
[03:30] <rick_h__> paultag: does that answer your CS question?
[03:30] <rick_h__> unfortunately I've not used it extensively to be sold, but I think I *get* the attraction/idea
[03:30] <paultag> CS question?
[03:30] <rick_h__> coffeescript
[03:30] <paultag> Ohh.
[03:30] <paultag> yep.
[03:30] <paultag> I just wanted to get your take after you played with it :)
[03:31] <rick_h__> I'm a jquery hate too so maybe I just hate what the cool kids like :P
[03:31] <paultag> :P
[04:47] <derekv> man starbucks here on woodward is a great place to peoplewatch
[04:49] <derekv> these highschool students walked in, one gril with a football jersey, but bloused up , black pants leather boots curled hair and oddly done makeup, jock with about 2% body fat and calves that look like they weigh more than his entire upper body, and this other girl with a jean jacket craddleing a baby doll .
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[12:01] <tony-smlr> SMLR is live!! http://www.youtube.com/user/tbemus?v=A1950JVeQQ8
[14:06] <jcastro_> mramm, ping
[14:22] <mramm> jcastro_: pong
[14:39] <jrwren> did you guys get beer last night?
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[17:12] <snap-l> hello from Beaumont
[17:54] <derekv> trying to decide what brakes to get for mtb
[17:54] <derekv> always drooled over hopes.  guy at bike shop doesn't think i should due to difficulty getting parts in a timely fasion should I need parts
[18:03] <derekv> reviews for hopes are the most enthusiastic you can find, people who own them tend to be in awe of them
[18:03] <derekv> but everyone says the shimano's are good
[18:13] <derekv> "If you are hacker and you have forgotten your password, click here."
[18:21] <derekv> "to post in this forum your post count must be 5 or higher" ok wtf so I'm supposed to post in the wrong forum then?
[18:24] <rick_h__> derekv: krondor was starting to get into mtn biking
[18:26] <derekv> the DH rims were one of the best purchases I ever made
[18:26] <derekv> those and lock-grips
[18:27] <derekv> it is MINDBLOWING how big of a difference grips make
[18:27] <derekv> i had no idea until I got the lockgrips, it was like I had a new bike
[18:28] <rick_h__> heh, yea I've got a set of ergo grips I love
[18:28] <rick_h__> with bar ends that make climbing a bit nicer
[18:34] <derekv> I can take or leave the bar end things
[18:34] <derekv> i had them on my first bike and would use them, but never got them on my current bike and never really missed them
[18:43] <derekv> i'm leaning towards the hopes just because of the drool factor
[18:43] <derekv> it may not be the most rational descision
[18:56] <derekv> i remember back in the day reading reviews of hope disk brakes
[18:57] <derekv> a very common comment was that the first time they hit the brakes they went flying over the front handlebars
[18:58] <derekv> i think the issue isn't so much stopping power anymore as most disk brakes probably could do that now
[20:15] <snap-l> Howdy
[20:15]  * snap-l wonders if he can even ride with you folks. JoDee and I have comfort bikes, with the wide tires
[20:19] <derekv> yes
[20:19] <derekv> but
[20:19] <derekv> you might not like to ride everywhere i'd ride
[20:23] <derekv> what you can do is take your bike out on a trail
[20:23] <derekv> find the easier trails
[20:23] <derekv> some parks label them like ski hills
[20:23] <derekv> ride it and get off your bike and walk it anywhere you're not sure about
[20:24] <derekv> this is how everyone starts mountain biking
[20:24] <derekv> you decide you like riding on a trail more than on sidewalks and you start thinking about getting a different bike.
[20:24] <derekv> thats how it goes.
[20:28] <derekv> but yea i have two bikes now, the single speed with road-only tires and the mountain bike with big, big knarly tires
[20:28] <derekv> the later is needing some fixing up