[00:20] <zoktar> http://pastebin.com/zs4QeEKZ from X.log
[00:21] <penguin42> shouldn't happen
[00:25] <zoktar> learn by failing :P
[00:25] <penguin42> yeh, please file a bug
[00:44] <trism> zoktar: I notice an old bug but crashing at the same spot, bug 738526 , you don't happen to have xfs installed, do you?
[00:47] <penguin42> hmm long running nasty buf
[00:47] <penguin42> g
[00:53] <zoktar> i will have a look
[01:06] <zoktar> thanks !
[01:28] <zoktar> is there any native app for bug reference? so you dont nessesairly have to have a web page to use it?
[02:01] <raymond_> I couldn't really find an answer.. is there is anyway I can downgrade my X server in quantal?
[02:02] <raymond_> (by searching the web) I just want to downgrade the X server (preferably without building from source) so that the legacy fglrx drivers will work with it.
[04:45] <rainchick> Hi everyone. I can't get Font Viewer to work long enough for me to install a few TrueType fonts without crashing. Where are fonts stored in the filesystem? I'd much rather do this from a terminal.
[05:08] <cowsquad> Does anyone knows how to activate the window spreader in ubuntu quetzal
[05:12] <jbicha> cowsquad: try Super+W
[09:20] <zekoZeko> hey everyone
[09:20] <zekoZeko> grub trouble
[09:20] <zekoZeko> i get to the grub rescue prompt and try to load the normal.mod, but it fails
[09:20] <zekoZeko> although it's there
[09:20] <zekoZeko> grub rescue> set
[09:20] <zekoZeko> prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub/
[09:20] <zekoZeko> root=(hd0,msdos1)
[09:22] <zekoZeko> when i ls $prefix/i386-pc/ i see the normal.mod
[09:48] <zekoZeko> anyone alive? I'd really like to know if there's any way to boot from grub rescue other than with a rescue cd ot netboot
[09:48] <zekoZeko> as i can't do either.
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> hi guys, my close/min/max are on the right. Ubuntu tweak doesn't seem to make it switch, can anyone advise how to switch it back. Thanks
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> yo
[11:18] <penguin42> Mornin'
[11:19] <BluesKaj> hey ActionParsnip, penguin42
[11:29] <Guest20426> http://wklej.org/hash/316d3ac1011/txt/ - what's wrong?
[11:30] <penguin42> Guest20426: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[11:31] <penguin42> Guest20426: See the note near the top of that; 12.04 sets update to only upgrade to next LTS by default
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> Guest20426: you'll need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades    and set Prompt=normal
[11:33] <Guest20426> thaks
[11:33] <Guest20426> *thanks
[12:06] <BluesKaj> just had an upgrade to kubuntu-desktop , that's a bit unusual
[12:08] <penguin42> ?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> usually there are associated packages
[12:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Changelog shows it was a 'Refreshed dependencies'
[12:53] <user82> !info wine
[12:53] <user82> they really stick with wine 1.4 stable until 1.6?
[12:57] <penguin42> I think there might be ppa's of latest-wine
[13:01] <penguin42> user82: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa  there is a few day old wine1.5 package in there
[13:04] <BluesKaj> penguin42, how does one configure the fonts in wine ...they're unreadable on my monitor unless I'm right up close
[13:04] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I don't actually use wine, don't know
[13:06] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ok ... I was curious about it again , hadn't used it in many yrs , but it was unreadable
[13:24] <gnomefreak> am i the only one that doesnt have screensavers? does KDE screensavers work?
[13:48] <user82> penguin42 true...but wine develops really fast i dont like the choice of sticking with 1.4
[13:51] <gnomefreak> wish there weas a site that told you what win apps work in winethan maybe i might use it
[13:52] <user82> gnomefreak http://appdb.winehq.org/
[13:52] <user82> don't you know that site
[13:53] <gnomefreak> no i didnt :(
[13:53]  * gnomefreak goes and looks
[13:54] <gnomefreak> you cant use warcraft on ubuntu?
[13:56] <gnomefreak> mostly games
[14:47] <penguin42> user82: It's hard to keep up with wine though, if you don't pick the release version which one do you decide to put into a release
[14:48] <user82> yes sure...but wine is not "ready" in a way so you could just go the firefox way and update to every version
[14:49] <user82> with most packages i understand they want a stable version...but the wine experience with a so called "stable" 1.4 is not any better than with the newest beta
[14:49] <penguin42> user82: not quite, firefox still has intermediates, the Firefox 15 is still there release; now why Ubuntu doesn't have Wine 1.4.1 is a valid question
[14:49] <user82> it has i think
[14:49] <user82> !info wine
[14:50] <penguin42> ah ok, so it is 1.4.1 - so that's what I'd expect
[14:53] <Wizard> Yeah, and Europa Universalis stopped working around 1.3 :/
[16:08] <hd1> i just apt-get dist-upgraded my quantal system, now it's stuck at the "grub restore>" prompt, any ideas?
[16:09] <hd1> am i hosed and need to reinstall from scratch?
[16:09] <hd1> or is there a way around this?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> hd1, yes , use the livecd to reinstall grub
[16:11]  * hd1 doesn't have a liveCD
[16:11] <hd1> though i suppose i could make one
[16:11] <hd1> the computer is a netbook, therefore no CDROM drive
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hd1, it should work from the media/OS installer you used
[16:15] <BluesKaj> usb stick ?
[16:15] <hd1> i installed the system years ago
[16:21] <BluesKaj> hd1, do you have separate/ and /home partitions ?
[16:24] <hd1> nope
[16:37] <penguin42> hmm - so on +1 how would I disable the guest login?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> hd1, whatever media that works on your netbook you can use to rescue it ,  a usb stick with the OS installer will work
[16:39] <hd1> BluesKaj: ok
[16:40] <penguin42> well, unity is more stable than last week in a kvm guest - but it's now moving from warm jelly to cold jelly stability
[16:44] <BluesKaj> then when the installer page comes up choose "Try Ubuntu", hd1 , do sudo fdisk -l ,  then sudo grub-install /dev/sdx , xbeing the name of the OS partition listed in fdisk , hd1
[16:54] <hd1> ok, cool, BluesKaj
[17:04] <zekoZeko> hello everyone. I'm having some grub trouble :) anyone willing to help?
[17:04] <zekoZeko> basically, i can only boot to grub rescue mode
[17:05] <zekoZeko> from which i can see the root/boot partition, but trying to load normal.mod fails
[17:05] <zekoZeko> with no such file or some such error.
[17:05] <jbicha> penguin42: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/62564/how-do-i-disable-the-guest-session
[17:05] <zekoZeko> ls works and i can see all the grub modules in $prefix/i386-pc
[17:05] <wilee-nilee> zekoZeko, this the only install or there other OS's
[17:06] <zekoZeko> only install
[17:06] <zekoZeko> happened yesterday when i updated to grub 2.0
[17:06] <zekoZeko> and the first partition starts at sector 2048, not 63
[17:06] <wilee-nilee> zekoZeko, from grub-legacy
[17:06] <zekoZeko> no
[17:06] <wilee-nilee> just a grub update?
[17:06] <zekoZeko> updated to Q a few days ago and it worked well
[17:06] <zekoZeko> yes
[17:07] <zekoZeko> i was updating daily for a few days and it all went tits-up yesterday.
[17:08] <wilee-nilee> zekoZeko, here are some reinstalls defaults to a live cd reload of the mbr the next is a chroot.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstall_from_the_LiveCD
[17:08] <zekoZeko> yeah, i could do that
[17:08] <zekoZeko> there's just a few little problems
[17:08] <zekoZeko> i don't have a cd burner and an empty CD/DVD
[17:09] <zekoZeko> and I can't boot from network, because i only have an USB keyboard and it doesn't work in BIOS, so I can't set the machine to boot from network
[17:09] <wilee-nilee> zekoZeko, You have a usb thumb that is loadable?
[17:09] <zekoZeko> not handy, but I can get it, that's what I was thinking about
[17:09] <zekoZeko> the strange thing is
[17:10] <zekoZeko> I can load another grub modul
[17:10] <zekoZeko> module
[17:10] <zekoZeko> what's it's name, just a sec
[17:11] <zekoZeko> minicmd
[17:12] <zekoZeko> with insmod (hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub/i386-pc/minicmd.mod
[17:12] <zekoZeko> but not with
[17:12] <zekoZeko> insmod minicmd
[17:12] <zekoZeko> set shows
[17:12] <zekoZeko> prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub
[17:12] <zekoZeko> root=hd0,msdos1
[17:14] <wilee-nilee> I'm not familiar with that, I have the manual boot saved somewhere, but a live cd on a cd or a thumb is about your best tool you should always have.
[17:15] <zekoZeko> OK, that's what I'll do then, thanks.
[17:15] <zekoZeko> I usually carry a grub rescue thumb drive with me, but it seems I threw it out of the backpack when I was at home :)
[17:16] <wilee-nilee> supergrub is another for booting in and fixing grub, I have a multiload usb with both of those and a handful of other tools.
[17:17] <zekoZeko> don't know what happened though, I read here about problems for people that have the first partition starting at sector 63, but I cheched and on this machine it starts at 2048
[17:17] <wilee-nilee> I doubt that is a problem honestly
[17:18] <zekoZeko> there is another thing though
[17:19] <zekoZeko> this drive is on a promise soft-raid IDE controller
[17:19] <zekoZeko> and root id /dev/mappd/pdbsomething1
[17:19] <zekoZeko> err
[17:19] <zekoZeko> /dev/mapper/pdbsometing1
[17:20] <zekoZeko> I think I've heard that new grub has some trouble with device mapper root partitions
[17:21] <wilee-nilee> I know nothing on raid and grub, always mention anything unusual.
[17:36] <penguin42> jbicha: Wow - there's no gui to turn it off; that's pretty amazing for something that a lot of people would want to do for security
[17:37] <tsimpson> penguin42: the guest login is "jail-boxed", so it's not really much of a security issue
[17:37] <penguin42> tsimpson: Experience tells me that every jail box that people have done like that is pretty much useless
[17:38] <penguin42> tsimpson: It's an absolute no-no if you've got anything confidential on the box, especially if you're using full disk rather than home encryption
[20:32] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/989295
[20:33] <kanliot> this bug is clearly misfiled  how can i 'fix' it
[20:34] <kanliot> for one reason, there's no info about if it's precise or quantal
[20:36] <Daekdroom> Of course there is.
[20:36] <Daekdroom> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
[20:39] <tsimpson> click the arrow on the left of "lubuntu-meta" and change the package
[20:44] <kanliot> no idea what the problem is really
[20:44] <kanliot> i don't want to guess
[22:12] <genewitch> i was looking at system requirements for 12.10-beta1-server and it doesn't mention HDD space, what's the bare minimum needed?
[22:22] <kanliot> i would guess 2 or 3
[22:22] <kanliot> genewitch,
[22:25] <genewitch> alright, good, anything more than that takes too long to set up on a mechanical HDD (as VHD)