[00:24] everyone's dc'ing up in here :P [00:26] ? [07:18] mornin' all :) [08:12] hello and good morning! [08:16] i try to send a "record signal" to zoneminder, but i don't know how. [08:41] zoneminder? wazzat? [09:20] good morning everyone. [09:24] hi brobostigon [09:25] hi jacobw [10:04] I know it's possible to copy packages from one PPA to another, but is it possible to copy packages from normal packaging projects to a PPA targeting a prior release (ie - copy a package from Quantal repository to Precise PPA) === IdleOne is now known as Guest92513 [10:35] awilkins, no [10:35] popey, Thought so, I have taken the alternate tack of making a build recipe targeting Precise [10:36] Which of course, has queued the build I want 8 hours hence :-) [10:36] hmm, not sure, the API looks like it allows that [10:36] https://api.launchpad.net/devel.html#archive > copyPackage toSeries [10:36] to_series [10:37] wont the packaging need updating? [10:37] not necessarily [10:37] it breaks if you have something with the same version published already [10:38] not necessarily, if the relationships haven't changed [10:38] so won't work to copy to the same PPA :-) [10:44] yeah, blame czajkowski for the launchpad delays :) [10:44] (not her fault, but fun to blame her anyway) [10:45] :( [10:46] * czajkowski blames popey for taking up all the builds, [10:46] ( not entirely true but fun to blane him anyways) === marsilainen_ is now known as marsilainen_work [10:47] should it be possible to buy a motherboard with on-board graphics chipset and get ok graphics performance? [10:47] I mean, not ultra-hot gfx performance or anything like that [10:48] but ok enough that e.g. DVD video plays ok [10:48] my current on-board gfx I believe to be Radeon 3000 [10:48] my desktop is like that, i7 with onboard sandybridge graphics [10:48] ok [10:48] that's good to know [10:48] it can playback 1080p fine [10:48] its a crappy msi motherboard [10:48] do you think that intel gfx is the best option if all I want is decent performance? [10:49] ms-7680 or something [10:49] decent performance doing what? [10:49] Flatland [10:49] well, sorry, I mean just ok performance really [10:49] so that DVD playback works ok etc [10:49] it runs unity fine :) [10:49] and video playback is excellent [10:49] and switching between workspaces is smooth [10:49] ok [10:49] intel works fine and is painless [10:49] sounds good [10:49] +1 [10:49] think I shall look for something that has intel as replacement [10:50] i would personally avoid amd/ati onboard [10:50] nvidea and ati are perhaps better when they work [10:50] yeah, it seems to suck [10:50] Running on the Intel at work (it's an Optimus laptop, but I don't need the GPU performance) [10:50] but if you are interested in running pre-release ubuntu then you risk ending up with no X for a month or two at a time [10:52] nah, you can go backwards and make it work [10:52] * popey dishes up roast dinner [10:53] I'd forgotten what hell motherboard shopping is like when you haven't kept up with what the latest sockets & CPU types are :) [10:55] wow you can still buy motherboards with parallel ports?? [10:55] Presumably for people who're still rockin' the line printer [10:56] Green stripe fanfold 4tw [10:57] lol [11:21] in my first proper job i had to operate a burster and a decollator to separate out multi-part carbon-impression print jobs into individual pieces of paper. that was fun [11:22] that must have been messy at the end of the day [11:24] the carbon got wound round spindles, which you just yank off and chuck in the bin [11:39] * penguin42 is liking vimium [15:11] quiet today [15:12] * Laney bangs some pots [15:13] * popey makes tea [15:13] * pinky- opens a tin [15:17] of baked beans? [15:17] lentil n carrot soup [15:17] mm [15:17] * Laney ponders making soup for dinner [15:18] got some beetroot that i'll never use otherwise ... [15:19] * popey has tea and digestive biccy [15:20] * popey wonders if xbmc can do iplayer [15:22] yay, xbmc box upgraded to 12.10 [15:22] only 1 biccy? :/ [15:22] yeah, nearly tea time [15:22] * penguin42 just had a couple of choc digestives :-) [15:22] it must be tea time, if you are having tea? [15:23] pate for tea i think [15:24] think I'll probably be having a Sunday Roast [15:24] i did that for lunch [15:24] nommy stuffed chicken [15:24] :D [15:25] tbh, it wasn't gonna be a great outcome for the chicken whatever you did, when it is getting cooked [15:25] something very wrong with this acer revo [15:25] unity wont start [15:25] bonus? [15:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209111/ [15:26] that doesn't look good [15:26] oh, that'll be my xorg.conf [15:26] * popey fixes that [15:27] erk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209113/ [15:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1033404 [15:28] Ubuntu bug 1033404 in Compiz "[GLES] [nvidia] ./bin/compiz (opengl) - Error: FBO is incomplete: GL::FRAMEBUFFER_UNSUPPORTED (0x8cdd)" [High,Fix released] [15:29] * popey adds unity staging ppa [15:30] 5 is too many computers to be fiddling with at once [15:31] wheee, new(er) compiz [15:38] \o/ unity desktop [15:38] huzzah [15:40] hmm, xbmc dies when i try to play some content [15:43] bah, nvidia driver got removed in the upgrade [15:44] $fun [15:44] * mattt is watching the reading game and reading about the peewee ORM [15:44] popey: Binary drivers (for both nvidia and AMD) seem to have been a bit late to settle down in this cycle === Guest92513 is now known as IdleOne [15:51] yeah [15:52] oh, which reminds me, I must do an update on my vm and see whether llvmpipe is usable yet [15:53] virtualbox? [15:53] kvm [15:54] popey: I installed the beta in a vm last week, Unity was pretty fast but unusably crashy [16:01] bah, xbmc on 12.10 just craps out whenever I play a video [16:01] * popey tries totem/vlc/mplayer/anything else [16:02] dragon? [16:02] so glad we didnt use nautilus/files/whatever 3.6 [16:04] wow, unity is painfully slow on this ion nvidia thing [16:05] popey: does that have 3d accel ? [16:05] glxinfo suggests yes [16:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209191 [16:06] but the UI is doing like 1fps when doing various effects [16:06] * penguin42 manages to type blind enough into the corrupted console on his vm to login and sudo apt-get install openssh-server [16:25] trying to convert vm disk images that are almost too big for my laptop, is quite a juggling act :/ [16:26] popey: It's incredibly slow in llvm-pipe on kvm as well [16:44] grr. vdpau seems to not work on 12.10 in xbmc, mplayer or vlc [16:48] ok, this is messed up [16:48] I'm getting 8fps from glxgears, and the glxgears box is just a black window [16:53] * popey remembers there's an identical device on his mums network.. [16:53] * popey ssh's to get the xorg.conf from it [16:53] does it need a config? [16:53] for nvidia, yeah [16:54] just want to see what the difference is [16:54] this is unbelievebly slow [16:54] like it's using llvmpipe [16:54] * Seeker` decides to skip 12.10 for now... [16:54] nvidia on +1 is supposed to be able to use xrandr isn't it? [16:54] nvidia on 12.04 can [16:54] but not the full 1.3 spec aiui [16:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209287/ mums xorg.conf [16:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209289/ mine [16:56] blagged from online.. [16:56] nvidia has been able to do xrandr for years [16:57] nothing odd in there [16:57] just not any part that involves multiple monitors [16:58] * popey files a bug [16:58] slowly [17:03] bug 1051640 [17:03] Launchpad bug 1051640 in Unity "Desktop performance unusably slow on nVidia ION" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051640 [17:16] phwoar [17:17] peeling cooked beetroot under the cold tap and then chopping it up has got to be one of the most pleasing cooking tasks [17:17] Laney: smelly ? [17:17] smells like beetroot [17:17] i wouldn't call that smelly [17:17] most people are more concerned about the staining :P [17:23] I dont eat it [17:23] and avoid the staining [17:26] for some reason the veg box and the father keep resupplying me, even though i'm not massively keen on them [17:26] the fun of cooking makes it alright though [17:28] how do you cook them ? [17:28] all you need is parsley! [17:31] oven [17:31] but the skin just comes off in your hands after they are cooked [17:31] it is most delightful [17:39] lovely [17:39] purple hands :p [18:11] Hi peeps [18:13] hi hi bigcalm [18:14] yo [18:14] Hey hey :) [18:16] 3 day week, not sure if I'll cope [18:16] popey: fixed your router? [18:16] rebooted it :) [18:16] hey all [18:16] popey: have you ever had success with that dongle method on a PS3? [18:16] i dont own a ps3, so no [18:17] ok [18:17] Heh [18:22] I heard kickstarter was coming to the UK in September ... is this a myth ? [18:28] Off topic a bit, does anyone know if MS word 2007 or above can save as PDF in the same way as Libreoffice can [18:29] i am doing a poster in libreoffice, to send to local youth centre, i know full well if they send me it back havng been modified in word it gets all messed up at my end [18:34] why not send it to them as a pdf and ask for comments in an email rather than let them edit it directly? [18:35] zleap: Generally exporting from libreoffice to Word tends to get messy [18:38] bootinfdsds, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18780184 [18:46] hmm, trying to fix a nerf gun [18:46] which has been left outside, so some of the screws are rusty, hard to get out :( [18:51] :( [18:51] my blender broke mid soup blending [18:51] Laney: You beet the life out of it [18:53] /win 40 [19:06] New channel topic I think is due [19:07] Here's a fun question. I have game server files on my server, and I run 5 instances of the server all off the same set of files, using command line arguments to change the configuration of each instance of the server, all good [19:08] but, I want to change a specific file, for one server and none of the others [19:08] any ideas short of making a copy of the whole thing to change one file? [19:09] Azelphur: Depending how many files, you could create a hard linked copy of most of it [19:09] penguin42: how many files in the server? probably like 400 or something, one of which I want to change xD [19:10] Azelphur: I'd script something to make a hardlinked copy of it [19:15] fun [19:17] popey, [Kickstarter.co.uk] Yeah I thnk I'll email them about it , and ask. I can't wait to see the British Public videos of online begging begin. [19:35] !info hardlink [19:35] hardlink (source: hardlink): Hardlinks multiple copies of the same file. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.1 (precise), package size 6 kB, installed size 60 kB [19:35] Azelphur: ^ [19:35] this concept confuses me xD [19:36] or there is cp -l [19:36] then make the file you want to change not a hardlink, and profit [19:37] fun [19:37] what's the difference between a soft and a hard link? [19:39] http://linuxgazette.net/105/pitcher.html is probably a better explanation than i can give on irc [19:40] fun [20:25] a softlink is a link to somewhere else in the path, a hard link is a link to somewhere else in this specific filesystem [20:38] jacobw: huh? [20:46] * christel yawns [20:47] /me injects christel with caffeine. [20:47] * brobostigon injects christel with caffeine. [20:47] <3 brobostigon [20:47] christel: :) === AlanBell is now known as zAlanBell [21:08] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/ farnham \o/ [21:09] i practised by consuming alcohol in vast quantities yesterday [21:09] * christel nods [21:09] (very) happy (few) hour(s)? http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/ [21:10] beerfests \o/ [21:11] woop :) === zAlanBell is now known as AlanBell [21:11] here's a fun question, Does anyone actually have a nice multiple presence setup on various IM networks? It seems like the networks themselves handle multiple presence poorly, if at all. :( [21:12] christel: last one, at my local, was meant to only be a weekend, and it lasted 5 days. [21:12] fantastic [21:12] christel: definatly, :) [21:13] christel: he ober bought the beer. [21:13] over* [21:14] fantastic [21:14] bring me to the next one! [21:14] christel: how does banbury sound, ? [21:15] excellent! it is not too far away [21:15] yay o/ [21:15] christel: i will keep you informed, :) [21:15] \o/ [21:16] \o/ [21:20] christel: in which, you would become, the third genius engineer, including myself and directhex in this area. [21:22] woop [21:22] sorry, bad joke. [21:23] :P [21:23] :) [21:25] christel: i was talking of myself. [21:27] is there a scale, of engineering skill? [21:32] Is that how many beers you can social engineer out of other people? [21:56] Why's it gone so quiet? [21:56] o/ [21:57] not sure its getting late here (UK) [21:57] 22:57 [21:57] yeah [21:57] 23:00 almost. I really don't want to go to work tomorrow [21:58] I'm still making object classes for a API calls [21:58] Slow and tedious work [22:27] http://opensource.apple.com/source/WebKit/WebKit-7533.16/chromium/src/x11/WebScreenInfoFactory.cpp [22:27] aaaaaaaaaaargh [22:28] no multimonitor support *at all* [22:34] nos da everyone, sleep well. [23:53] chrome determines the screen size by looking into the Display struct using X11 macros. can't patch macros :( [23:54] however i can probably just change the value in the struct, or patch XOpenDisplay and return something different