[00:24] <lanboy> everyone's dc'ing up in here :P
[00:26] <penguin42> ?
[07:18] <Monotoko> mornin' all :)
[08:12] <guest49026> hello and good morning!
[08:16] <guest49026> i try to send a "record signal" to zoneminder, but i don't know how.
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> zoneminder? wazzat?
[09:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:24] <jacobw> hi brobostigon
[09:25] <brobostigon> hi jacobw
[10:04] <awilkins> I know it's possible to copy packages from one PPA to another, but is it possible to copy packages from normal packaging projects to a PPA targeting a prior release (ie - copy a package from Quantal repository to Precise PPA)
[10:35] <popey> awilkins, no
[10:35] <awilkins> popey, Thought so, I have taken the alternate tack of making a build recipe targeting Precise
[10:36] <awilkins> Which of course, has queued the build I want 8 hours hence :-)
[10:36] <Laney> hmm, not sure, the API looks like it allows that
[10:36] <Laney> https://api.launchpad.net/devel.html#archive > copyPackage toSeries
[10:36] <Laney> to_series
[10:37] <popey> wont the packaging need updating?
[10:37] <Laney> not necessarily
[10:37] <Laney> it breaks if you have something with the same version published already
[10:38] <jacobw> not necessarily, if the relationships haven't changed
[10:38] <Laney> so won't work to copy to the same PPA :-)
[10:44] <popey> yeah, blame czajkowski for the launchpad delays :)
[10:44] <popey> (not her fault, but fun to blame her anyway)
[10:45] <czajkowski> :(
[10:46]  * czajkowski blames popey for taking up all the builds, 
[10:46] <czajkowski> ( not entirely true but fun to blane him anyways)
[10:47] <marsilainen_work> should it be possible to buy a motherboard with on-board graphics chipset and get ok graphics performance?
[10:47] <marsilainen_work> I mean, not ultra-hot gfx performance or anything like that
[10:48] <marsilainen_work> but ok enough that e.g. DVD video plays ok
[10:48] <marsilainen_work> my current on-board gfx I believe to be Radeon 3000
[10:48] <popey> my desktop is like that, i7 with onboard sandybridge graphics
[10:48] <marsilainen_work> ok
[10:48] <marsilainen_work> that's good to know
[10:48] <popey> it can playback 1080p fine
[10:48] <popey> its a crappy msi motherboard
[10:48] <marsilainen_work> do you think that intel gfx is the best option if all I want is decent performance?
[10:49] <popey> ms-7680 or something
[10:49] <popey> decent performance doing what?
[10:49] <awilkins> Flatland
[10:49] <marsilainen_work> well, sorry, I mean just ok performance really
[10:49] <marsilainen_work> so that DVD playback works ok etc
[10:49] <popey> it runs unity fine :)
[10:49] <popey> and video playback is excellent
[10:49] <marsilainen_work> and switching between workspaces is smooth
[10:49] <marsilainen_work> ok
[10:49] <AlanBell> intel works fine and is painless
[10:49] <marsilainen_work> sounds good
[10:49] <popey> +1
[10:49] <marsilainen_work> think I shall look for something that has intel as replacement
[10:50] <popey> i would personally avoid amd/ati onboard
[10:50] <AlanBell> nvidea and ati are perhaps better when they work
[10:50] <marsilainen_work> yeah, it seems to suck
[10:50] <awilkins> Running on the Intel at work (it's an Optimus laptop, but I don't need the GPU performance)
[10:50] <AlanBell> but if you are interested in running pre-release ubuntu then you risk ending up with no X for a month or two at a time
[10:52] <popey> nah, you can go backwards and make it work
[10:52]  * popey dishes up roast dinner
[10:53] <marsilainen_work> I'd forgotten what hell motherboard shopping is like when you haven't kept up with what the latest sockets & CPU types are :)
[10:55] <marsilainen_work> wow you can still buy motherboards with parallel ports??
[10:55] <awilkins> Presumably for people who're still rockin' the line printer
[10:56] <awilkins> Green stripe fanfold 4tw
[10:57] <marsilainen_work> lol
[11:21] <popey> in my first proper job i had to operate a burster and a decollator to separate out multi-part carbon-impression print jobs into individual pieces of paper. that was fun
[11:22] <penguin42> that must have been messy at the end of the day
[11:24] <popey> the carbon got wound round spindles, which you just yank off and chuck in the bin
[11:39]  * penguin42 is liking vimium
[15:11] <popey> quiet today
[15:12]  * Laney bangs some pots
[15:13]  * popey makes tea
[15:13]  * pinky- opens a tin
[15:17] <Laney> of baked beans?
[15:17] <pinky-> lentil n carrot soup
[15:17] <Laney> mm
[15:17]  * Laney ponders making soup for dinner
[15:18] <Laney> got some beetroot that i'll never use otherwise ...
[15:19]  * popey has tea and digestive biccy
[15:20]  * popey wonders if xbmc can do iplayer
[15:22] <popey> yay, xbmc box upgraded to 12.10
[15:22] <hamitron> only 1 biccy? :/
[15:22] <popey> yeah, nearly tea time
[15:22]  * penguin42 just had a couple of choc digestives :-)
[15:22] <hamitron> it must be tea time, if you are having tea?
[15:23] <popey> pate for tea i think
[15:24] <hamitron> think I'll probably be having a Sunday Roast
[15:24] <popey> i did that for lunch
[15:24] <popey> nommy stuffed chicken
[15:24] <hamitron> :D
[15:25] <hamitron> tbh, it wasn't gonna be a great outcome for the chicken whatever you did, when it is getting cooked
[15:25] <popey> something very wrong with this acer revo
[15:25] <popey> unity wont start
[15:25] <hamitron> bonus?
[15:26] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209111/
[15:26] <popey> that doesn't look good
[15:26] <popey> oh, that'll be my xorg.conf
[15:26]  * popey fixes that
[15:27] <popey> erk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209113/
[15:28] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1033404
[15:29]  * popey adds unity staging ppa
[15:30] <popey> 5 is too many computers to be fiddling with at once
[15:31] <popey> wheee, new(er) compiz
[15:38] <popey> \o/ unity desktop
[15:38] <popey> huzzah
[15:40] <popey> hmm, xbmc dies when i try to play some content
[15:43] <popey> bah, nvidia driver got removed in the upgrade
[15:44] <popey> $fun
[15:44]  * mattt is watching the reading game and reading about the peewee ORM
[15:44] <penguin42> popey: Binary drivers (for both nvidia and AMD) seem to have been a bit late to settle down in this cycle
[15:51] <popey> yeah
[15:52] <penguin42> oh, which reminds me, I must do an update on my vm and see whether llvmpipe is usable yet
[15:53] <popey> virtualbox?
[15:53] <penguin42> kvm
[15:54] <penguin42> popey: I installed the beta in a vm last week, Unity was pretty fast but unusably crashy
[16:01] <popey> bah, xbmc on 12.10 just craps out whenever I play a video
[16:01]  * popey tries totem/vlc/mplayer/anything else
[16:02] <penguin42> dragon?
[16:02] <popey> so glad we didnt use nautilus/files/whatever 3.6
[16:04] <popey> wow, unity is painfully slow on this ion nvidia thing
[16:05] <penguin42> popey: does that have 3d accel ?
[16:05] <popey> glxinfo suggests yes
[16:05] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209191
[16:06] <popey> but the UI is doing like 1fps when doing various effects
[16:06]  * penguin42 manages to type blind enough into the corrupted console on his vm to login and sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[16:25] <shauno> trying to convert vm disk images that are almost too big for my laptop, is quite a juggling act :/
[16:26] <penguin42> popey: It's incredibly slow in llvm-pipe on kvm as well
[16:44] <popey> grr. vdpau seems to not work on 12.10 in xbmc, mplayer or vlc
[16:48] <popey> ok, this is messed up
[16:48] <popey> I'm getting 8fps from glxgears, and the glxgears box is just a black window
[16:53]  * popey remembers there's an identical device on his mums network.. 
[16:53]  * popey ssh's to get the xorg.conf from it
[16:53] <penguin42> does it need a config?
[16:53] <popey> for nvidia, yeah
[16:54] <popey> just want to see what the difference is
[16:54] <popey> this is unbelievebly slow
[16:54] <popey> like it's using llvmpipe
[16:54]  * Seeker` decides to skip 12.10 for now...
[16:54] <penguin42> nvidia on +1 is supposed to be able to use xrandr isn't it?
[16:54] <popey> nvidia on 12.04 can
[16:54] <popey> but not the full 1.3 spec aiui
[16:55] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209287/ mums xorg.conf
[16:56] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1209289/ mine
[16:56] <popey> blagged from online..
[16:56] <ali1234> nvidia has been able to do xrandr for years
[16:57] <popey> nothing odd in there
[16:57] <ali1234> just not any part that involves multiple monitors
[16:58]  * popey files a bug
[16:58] <popey> slowly
[17:03] <popey> bug 1051640
[17:16] <Laney> phwoar
[17:17] <Laney> peeling cooked beetroot under the cold tap and then chopping it up has got to be one of the most pleasing cooking tasks
[17:17] <czajkowski> Laney: smelly ?
[17:17] <Laney> smells like beetroot
[17:17] <Laney> i wouldn't call that smelly
[17:17] <Laney> most people are more concerned about the staining :P
[17:23] <czajkowski> I dont eat it
[17:23] <czajkowski> and avoid the staining
[17:26] <Laney> for some reason the veg box and the father keep resupplying me, even though i'm not massively keen on them
[17:26] <Laney> the fun of cooking makes it alright though
[17:28] <czajkowski> how do you cook them ?
[17:28] <pinky-> all you need is parsley!
[17:31] <Laney> oven
[17:31] <Laney> but the skin just comes off in your hands after they are cooked
[17:31] <Laney> it is most delightful
[17:39] <czajkowski> lovely
[17:39] <czajkowski> purple hands :p
[18:11] <bigcalm> Hi peeps
[18:13] <christel> hi hi bigcalm
[18:14] <popey> yo
[18:14] <bigcalm> Hey hey :)
[18:16] <bigcalm> 3 day week, not sure if I'll cope
[18:16] <bigcalm> popey: fixed your router?
[18:16] <popey> rebooted it :)
[18:16] <andylockran> hey all
[18:16] <andylockran> popey: have you ever had success with that dongle method on a PS3?
[18:16] <popey> i dont own a ps3, so no
[18:17] <andylockran> ok
[18:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[18:22] <bootinfdsds> I heard kickstarter was coming to the UK in September ... is this a myth ?
[18:28] <zleap> Off topic a bit,  does anyone know if MS word 2007 or above can save as PDF in the same way as Libreoffice can
[18:29] <zleap> i am doing a poster in libreoffice,  to send to local youth centre,  i know full well if they send me it back havng been modified in word it gets all messed up at my end
[18:34] <popey> why not send it to them as a pdf and ask for comments in an email rather than let them edit it directly?
[18:35] <penguin42> zleap: Generally exporting from libreoffice to Word tends to get messy
[18:38] <popey> bootinfdsds, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18780184
[18:46] <popey> hmm, trying to fix a nerf gun
[18:46] <popey> which has been left outside, so some of the screws are rusty, hard to get out :(
[18:51] <Laney> :(
[18:51] <Laney> my blender broke mid soup blending
[18:51] <penguin42> Laney: You beet the life out of it
[18:53] <stgraber>  /win 40
[19:06] <bigcalm> New channel topic I think is due
[19:07] <Azelphur> Here's a fun question. I have game server files on my server, and I run 5 instances of the server all off the same set of files, using command line arguments to change the configuration of each instance of the server, all good
[19:08] <Azelphur> but, I want to change a specific file, for one server and none of the others
[19:08] <Azelphur> any ideas short of making a copy of the whole thing to change one file?
[19:09] <penguin42> Azelphur: Depending how many files, you could create a hard linked copy of most of it
[19:09] <Azelphur> penguin42: how many files in the server? probably like 400 or something, one of which I want to change xD
[19:10] <penguin42> Azelphur: I'd script something to make a hardlinked copy of it
[19:15] <Azelphur> fun
[19:17] <bootinfdsds> popey, [Kickstarter.co.uk] Yeah I thnk I'll email them about it , and ask. I can't wait to see the British Public videos of online begging begin.
[19:35] <Laney> !info hardlink
[19:35] <Laney> Azelphur: ^
[19:35] <Azelphur> this concept confuses me xD
[19:36] <Laney> or there is cp -l
[19:36] <Laney> then make the file you want to change not a hardlink, and profit
[19:37] <Azelphur> fun
[19:37] <Azelphur> what's the difference between a soft and a hard link?
[19:39] <Laney> http://linuxgazette.net/105/pitcher.html is probably a better explanation than i can give on irc
[19:40] <Azelphur> fun
[20:25] <jacobw> a softlink is a link to somewhere else in the path, a hard link is a link to somewhere else in this specific filesystem
[20:38] <mattt> jacobw: huh?
[20:46]  * christel yawns
[20:47] <brobostigon>    /me injects christel with caffeine.
[20:47]  * brobostigon injects christel with caffeine.
[20:47] <christel> <3 brobostigon
[20:47] <brobostigon> christel: :)
[21:08] <zAlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/ farnham \o/
[21:09] <christel> i practised by consuming alcohol in vast quantities yesterday
[21:09]  * christel nods
[21:09] <Laney> (very) happy (few) hour(s)? http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/
[21:10] <christel> beerfests \o/
[21:11] <brobostigon> woop :)
[21:11] <Azelphur> here's a fun question, Does anyone actually have a nice multiple presence setup on various IM networks? It seems like the networks themselves handle multiple presence poorly, if at all. :(
[21:12] <brobostigon> christel: last one, at my local, was meant to only be a weekend, and it lasted 5 days.
[21:12] <christel> fantastic
[21:12] <brobostigon> christel: definatly, :)
[21:13] <brobostigon> christel: he ober bought the beer.
[21:13] <brobostigon> over*
[21:14] <christel> fantastic
[21:14] <christel> bring me to the next one!
[21:14] <brobostigon> christel: how does banbury sound, ?
[21:15] <christel> excellent! it is not too far away
[21:15] <brobostigon> yay o/
[21:15] <brobostigon> christel: i will keep you informed, :)
[21:15] <christel> \o/
[21:16] <brobostigon> \o/
[21:20] <brobostigon> christel: in which, you would become, the third genius engineer, including myself and directhex in this area.
[21:22] <christel> woop
[21:22] <brobostigon> sorry, bad joke.
[21:23] <christel> :P
[21:23] <brobostigon> :)
[21:25] <brobostigon> christel: i was talking of myself.
[21:27] <brobostigon> is there a scale, of engineering skill?
[21:32] <bigcalm> Is that how many beers you can social engineer out of other people?
[21:56] <bigcalm> Why's it gone so quiet?
[21:56] <brobostigon> o/
[21:57] <zleap> not sure its getting late here (UK)
[21:57] <brobostigon> 22:57
[21:57] <zleap> yeah
[21:57] <bigcalm> 23:00 almost. I really don't want to go to work tomorrow
[21:58] <bigcalm> I'm still making object classes for a API calls
[21:58] <bigcalm> Slow and tedious work
[22:27] <ali1234> http://opensource.apple.com/source/WebKit/WebKit-7533.16/chromium/src/x11/WebScreenInfoFactory.cpp
[22:27] <ali1234> aaaaaaaaaaargh
[22:28] <ali1234> no multimonitor support *at all*
[22:34] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[23:53] <ali1234> chrome determines the screen size by looking into the Display struct using X11 macros. can't patch macros :(
[23:54] <ali1234> however i can probably just change the value in the struct, or patch XOpenDisplay and return something different