[09:24] <ailo> len-dt: If all went well, ppa:ailo.at/ustesting should soon include ubuntustudio-default-settings 0.38
[09:24] <ailo> I'll upload it to the bzr branch, once I confirm it's fine and working
[09:40] <ailo> Ah, I haven't added the toggle yet..
[09:54] <agondaku> i want to install ubuntu studio in windows to use dual boot like ubuntu but its not the same like the ubuntu ?
[09:57] <ailo> agondaku: #ubuntustudio is the channel for user questions
[09:58] <ailo> agondaku: Could we continue there?
[09:58] <ailo> agondaku: #ubuntustudio-user
[09:58] <smartboyhw> len-dt: You here? Why did you change the ubiquity slideshow bug to TODO? Don't tell me the bug came back again:(
[09:58] <ailo> Sorry
[09:58] <smartboyhw> It is #ubuntustudio
[09:58] <ailo> Ah, yeah
[09:58] <ailo> :)
[09:58] <smartboyhw> ;)
[09:59] <ailo> smartboyhw: 15:59 < len-dt> :P Our photo and publishing apps are still not there. The scroll bars are back in our slide show after having been gone for a month.
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Grrr that is bad in any means
[11:11] <ailo> micahg: I was just doing some changes to the ubuntustudio-default-settings package. Am I right in assuming I don't have the rights to commit?
[11:12] <ailo> micahg: I need to create my own branch, and push that, as described here? http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html#committing-the-fix
[11:13] <ailo> len-dt: ^
[13:36] <len-dt> you have the right to push directly
[13:36] <len-dt> ailo, you did to seeds right?
[13:36] <smartboyhw> ailo: If you are  in the dev team you can push directly...
[13:37] <ailo> len-dt: This is not the seeds
[13:38] <ailo> len-dt: I was not getting the same results as when working with the seeds
[13:38] <ailo> smartboyhw: Yes, thank you. I am aware that me being a dev does grant me some rights
[13:38] <smartboyhw> ailo: LOL
[13:39] <smartboyhw> You deserve it anyway
[13:39] <holstein> the phrasing of questions sometimes gets me going
[13:40] <holstein> "why doesnt ubuntustudio support dual monitors?"
[13:40] <holstein> how about.. "does ubuntustudio support dual montitors?"
[13:40] <holstein> or, how do i set up dual monitors?
[13:40] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:40] <ailo> len-dt: Let me recheck the lp adress..
[13:44] <len-dt> ailo, there is a problem in the seeds still. The photography and publishing metas are created but not shipped for some reason.
[13:44] <len-dt> I need to look at that.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Add oil! (Add oil in HK = give support)
[13:46] <ailo> len-dt: I was trying to commit to the ubuntu bzr repo
[13:46] <len-dt> I commit to my branch then push
[13:47] <smartboyhw> ailo: it should be easy
[13:47] <len-dt> That is I branch to my machine, make changes, commit to my machine then push
[13:47] <smartboyhw> If there are new files you bzr add or sth?
[13:48] <smartboyhw> THen commit, then push:)
[13:48] <len-dt> Once I have the branch on my machine, I do a pull if I think there may be other changes sinse I last did something
[13:48] <ailo> smartboyhw: I only started using bzr yesterday
[13:48] <smartboyhw> ailo: What the..........I use bzr at least twice....
[13:48] <len-dt> The learning curve
[13:49] <smartboyhw> But ailo, welcome to bzr!!!
[13:50] <ailo> Ok, I wasn't branching
[13:51] <smartboyhw> ailo: Oh you didn't branch!?
[13:55] <len-dt> ailo, the thing I found confusing is that you do the branch in a directory you create, then do any push or pull one directory up.
[14:10] <len-dt> ailo, Why does jackd (not jackdbus) need X11 to start?
[14:10] <ailo> len-dt: No idea. Sounds weird to me
[14:10] <len-dt> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=146788
[14:10] <len-dt> I have put together a very light system
[14:11] <len-dt> no X, only 191M ram and small drive
[14:11] <ailo> len-dt: Let me just double check a couple of things..
[14:11] <len-dt> I want to play with netjack and nama etc.
[14:11] <ailo> len-dt: bzr init-repo ubuntustudio-default-settings
[14:12] <len-dt> I have never used that command :)
[14:12] <ailo> And inside the created dir, bzr branch <?> <custom_name>
[14:12] <ailo> len-dt: So, what's your workflow then?
[14:12] <smartboyhw> ailo: I used the init-repo
[14:12] <len-dt> I have ~/software/studio/settings/
[14:13] <len-dt> then I go there do bzr branch and it creates a ubuntustudio dir in that with the branch in it.
[14:14] <smartboyhw> I will do bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio in ~ for me
[14:14] <len-dt> It could probably be done simpler easier though
[14:15] <len-dt> once I make the changes I do a bzr add from the dir below debian
[14:15] <len-dt> then a bzr commit
[14:15] <len-dt>  then a bzr push
[14:19] <ailo> len-dt: No dch -i ?
[14:19] <ailo> Updating the changelog..
[14:19] <len-dt> dch?
[14:21] <ailo> len-dt: It's how you normally update the changelog for debian packages
[14:21] <len-dt> That sounds easier than editing the changelog file.
[14:21] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:22] <ailo> len-dt: Not really. It's the same things basically
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Found something interesting
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Someone misspelt the ubuntustudio-forum.desktop
[14:23] <smartboyhw> it is ubuntustudio-formum.desktop lol
[14:23] <len-dt> That would be me...
[14:23] <smartboyhw> len-dt: LOL
[14:26] <ailo> len-dt: So, you edit the changelog to have the new version, and change UNRELEASED to quantal, before committing?
[14:27] <smartboyhw> len-dt: So would you change the misspelt file name? LOL
[14:28] <ailo> I can do that
[14:29] <smartboyhw> ailo: You mean changing the filename or the changelog??
[14:29] <ailo> changing the misspelling
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Ok please do then:)
[14:30] <micahg> ailo: no, leave the changelog  UNRELEASED until it's ready to be uploaded
[14:31] <ailo> micahg: ok
[14:31] <len-dt> micahg, is there a reason the two new metas are not included in the ISO?
[14:31] <ailo> len-dt: If I change the name of the desktop starter, I guess a meny entry needs to be changed too?
[14:31] <len-dt> Yes
[14:31] <smartboyhw> ailo: Think so
[14:32] <ailo> smartboyhw: I'm talking with len. Please..
[14:33] <ailo> len-dt: So, is that in the same package?
[14:33] <len-dt> Yes
[14:33] <len-dt> it is in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus
[14:33] <ailo> len-dt: etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[14:33] <smartboyhw> I actually changed it already
[14:33] <smartboyhw> lol;)
[14:34] <smartboyhw> len-dt and ailo: I mean I changed the xfce-applications.menu and the filename lol
[14:35] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I am not sure ailo is talking about my spelling mistake...
[14:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt: I think he is
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Since the spelling mistake can be found there also
[14:35] <micahg> len-dt: hrm, they should be
[14:36] <len-dt> Maybe it needs one more day micahg , 
[14:36] <smartboyhw> len-dt: In xfce-applications.menu line 378
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[14:36] <smartboyhw> So is it the spelling mistake or am I wrong?
[14:36] <len-dt> smartboyhw, that is not important right now.
[14:37] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:37] <micahg> len-dt: no, if the ISO succeeds and the new metas aren't there, something's wrong
[14:37] <len-dt> the link works and the spelling is not visible to the user.
[14:37] <len-dt> micahg, I can add them to desktop, but graphics is not and it works.
[14:38] <micahg> no, you shouldn't need to do that
[14:38] <smartboyhw> More important is that we need to add the new metas in and the scrollbars fixed:)
[14:41] <ailo> Ok, made the push
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Good ailo:)
[14:42] <ailo> smartboyhw: How is your work going on documentation?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Grrr I am too busy on school these days don't have time
[14:43] <smartboyhw> What is the deadline excuse me?
[14:44] <smartboyhw> *when is the deadline excuse me ailo?
[14:44] <ailo> smartboyhw: No deadline. But, since you seem to have time to be in here, it just makes sense that you would have time to do some actual work. I don't mind you being here, and it's just good for you to learn stuff. If you really do want to learn, however, I recommend you focus on work, not chat
[14:45]  * smartboyhw opens LibreOffice Writer to work on it
[14:45] <ailo> As a 14 year old, I know it's not easy to have the patience
[14:45] <ailo> But, you don't need to do more than you feel like
[14:45] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Now wait guys if I install ubuntustudio-publishing it should have scribus pre-installed right?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Please someone do tell me:)
[14:53] <len-dt> Yes
[14:54] <len-dt> I don't know that it would work with 12.04
[14:54] <len-dt> but it does with 12.10
[14:54] <len-dt> I tried it last night.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> OK thanks then:)
[14:56] <len-dt> ailo BTW, generic does not seem to add any battery life over lowlatency
[14:57] <len-dt> My battery just has half the capacity as when I bought it.
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Oh!
[15:07] <micahg> len-dt: actually, quantal is a little harder on the battery than preccise
[15:07] <knome> i hope "little harder" isn't half :P
[15:08] <smartboyhw> ;P
[15:10] <len-dt> micahg, I was talking about precise actually.
[15:11] <len-dt> What I noticed is that the battery info says I have less than half the watthours from new
[15:42] <ailo> len-dt: Do you test the packages before pushing?
[15:42] <ailo> Or, the package in question
[15:43] <ailo> I've been using the ppa, and also bzr builddeb to create a deb package. 
[15:44] <ailo> Problem with ppa is that UNRELEASED is not acceptable, so it needs to be edited
[15:46] <ailo> len-dt: I think it would be wise to have some sort of routine for that anyway. I'm adding something to the dev docs about this
[15:48] <ailo> len-dt: How did you test the battery life, btw?
[15:50] <ailo> len-dt: I really think we should move the extra items in the menu. It's almost by chance that I see them
[15:51] <ailo> And putting them between menus doesn't seem logical. I can't think of any better place than at the top of each workflow menu, and clearly separated from applications
[15:53] <ailo> len-dt: I'd like to work on some of the other menus (besides audio), to have them follow the same logic with submenus. Audacity needs to be in a menu that explains it's not a video application.
[15:53] <ailo> Other than that, I feel the menu is really nice
[15:54] <ailo> len-dt: We could use the ubuntu studio icon for the extras, or a version of it
[16:05] <len-dt> ailo, I can move the icons to the top of the menus. I used the package icon because it tells the user it installs things (I hope)
[16:06] <len-dt> The US icon doesn't really do that
[16:08] <len-dt> ailo, in the battery icon in systray there is an info selection. It has design capacity and real capacity.
[16:08] <ailo> len-dt: Ok, I didn't know if you had put any thought on the icon. Didn't realize it was the package icon. 
[16:10] <len-dt> When I first got the Netbook I put ubuntunetbook on it and got about 3.5 hours out of it. Now I get 1.5 hours out of it.
[16:10]  * len-dt thinks maybe a bit closer to 1.75 hours
[16:11] <len-dt> But it does follow pretty close what the batter info says.
[16:11] <len-dt> ubuntu netbook was the last LTS so that gives an idea how old the battery is.