=== TheMaster is now known as Unit193 | ||
knome | hey elfy | 09:56 |
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elfy | hi knome | 10:04 |
knome | elfy, want to review a few more doc pages? :] | 10:06 |
smartboyhw | lol | 10:06 |
elfy | knome: I can - which ones | 10:06 |
knome | elfy, let me see | 10:06 |
knome | these are not submitted by you, so these are the only ones you can still review: | 10:07 |
knome | 5/Photos and Cameras | 10:07 |
knome | 6/Network connections | 10:07 |
knome | 6/Troubleshooting | 10:07 |
knome | 7/Printing | 10:07 |
knome | 7/Scanning | 10:07 |
knome | and that's it | 10:08 |
elfy | ok | 10:08 |
knome | thanks | 10:08 |
knome | i'll try to get more converted to docbook today again | 10:08 |
smartboyhw | Identify yourselves guys chanserv is back | 10:09 |
* knome is still identified | 10:09 | |
* elfy is too | 10:09 | |
smartboyhw | Well sure I didn't since I just joined and I can't identify when it is down mate | 10:10 |
* Unit193 is as always | 10:10 | |
smartboyhw | lol | 10:10 |
knome | i suppose i should just start working with the docs... | 10:13 |
elfy | knome - just checking for englisg/grammar etc - I can't check scanning or prinitng for it working | 10:14 |
knome | elfy, yeah, that's fine, and if you can check that the app paths are correct as much as you can... | 10:15 |
knome | (and menus) | 10:15 |
elfy | yep :) | 10:15 |
elfy | ok - back in a bit then :p | 10:15 |
knome | thanks! | 10:15 |
* knome goes converting another subsection to docbook | 10:15 | |
elfy | knome: you want to know in here which I have checked or on the pad? if the pad - what's the link again :p | 10:20 |
knome | here is fine at this stahge : | 10:20 |
knome | stage and :P too | 10:20 |
elfy | scanning is done | 10:21 |
smartboyhw | elfy: You mean http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout ? | 10:21 |
elfy | knome: printing done, troubleshooting done - but if network connections is "network connections" then troubleshooting should be "network troubleshooting" logically | 10:45 |
knome | ok, thanks | 10:46 |
knome | i'll fix that for the docs | 10:46 |
elfy | k | 10:46 |
elfy | knome: network connections done | 10:53 |
knome | ta | 10:54 |
elfy | knome: I've removed the image viewer bits that jackFromm temp struck out and that is all checked now too | 11:02 |
knome | in what? :) | 11:06 |
knome | photos/cams? | 11:06 |
elfy | yea sorry - thought it would make sense as it was last one you asked me to check :) | 11:07 |
knome | hehe, yeah | 11:07 |
knome | ta | 11:07 |
elfy | should be just quick guide and upgrading left in Table of Contents not bold I think | 11:08 |
knome | yep | 11:08 |
knome | and not much that isn't underlined ;) | 11:08 |
elfy | underlined is ? converting to docbooks? | 11:09 |
knome | underlined is converted | 11:09 |
knome | isap | 11:09 |
knome | heh | 11:09 |
elfy | cool | 11:09 |
knome | there goes my test-vbox pass :P | 11:09 |
elfy | lol | 11:10 |
elfy | so anything you want me to look at today knome ? | 11:19 |
knome | umm.. not really after you done those reviews, unless you want to go adventurous and build the docs :D | 11:19 |
elfy | ... | 11:20 |
elfy | not sure :p | 11:20 |
knome | yeah, you really don't need to | 11:21 |
elfy | ok lol | 11:21 |
elfy | I'll go hae lunch instead then :) | 11:21 |
knome | ok, bon appetit :) | 11:22 |
knome | hey jjfrv8 :) | 11:44 |
jjfrv8 | G'day. | 11:44 |
jjfrv8 | knome, Looks like you're almost there :) | 11:45 |
knome | yeah, almost | 11:46 |
knome | hey bluesabre :) | 11:52 |
bluesabre | hiya knome! | 11:52 |
elfy | hi bluesabre | 11:53 |
bluesabre | hey elfy | 11:53 |
bluesabre | how is everyone today? | 11:53 |
knome | good | 11:53 |
elfy | ok now thanks | 11:53 |
knome | working on the docbook conversions again | 11:53 |
bluesabre | making good progress? | 11:55 |
knome | quite | 11:55 |
knome | check the wiki | 11:55 |
elfy | knome: you not want upgrading and quick guide checked - or have they been done already | 11:56 |
knome | elfy, you've submitted them for review, so you can't review them ;) | 11:56 |
knome | bluesabre could... | 11:56 |
bluesabre | wowza | 11:56 |
Unit193 | I took a look at upgrading one. | 11:56 |
elfy | aah - /me forgets stuff fairly quickly | 11:56 |
Unit193 | +the | 11:56 |
bluesabre | looks like we're almost there | 11:56 |
knome | bluesabre, exactly | 11:56 |
knome | Unit193, do you think it's ready to be published, or do you want somebody to still review it? | 11:57 |
bluesabre | I can have a look at quick guide | 11:57 |
knome | bluesabre, we should move the stuff in quick guide around | 11:57 |
knome | see how the internet -section is organized | 11:57 |
knome | i mean, inside the guide | 11:57 |
Unit193 | knome: I think it was pretty much set, just made a couple changes. | 11:58 |
knome | Unit193, ok, i'll mark it as checked-out hten | 11:58 |
knome | then | 11:58 |
Unit193 | Wouldn't hurt I'm sure, having another look. :P | 11:58 |
knome | well, all the pages are not going to be perfect anyway | 11:59 |
knome | so we'll probably get bugs, and we can fix them for Q or R | 11:59 |
elfy | that'll be a whole lot easier | 12:02 |
knome | definitely | 12:02 |
bluesabre | knome, as far as moving things around, what are you shooting for with the other sections in the quick guide? | 12:03 |
knome | i mean, the first word should be the application bolded | 12:03 |
knome | and the link should be at the end | 12:04 |
knome | feel free to disagree :) | 12:04 |
bluesabre | ok, I thought that was what you meant. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything | 12:04 |
knome | heh, sure | 12:04 |
Unit193 | elfy: If you wanted to look at the diff, and see if I changed something in error? :P | 12:05 |
elfy | there are 2 links in that page that go to empty pages - media applications adnd libreoffice | 12:05 |
elfy | Unit193: if it's needed | 12:06 |
knome | elfy, yeah, you can dismiss that | 12:06 |
elfy | dismiss or remove ? | 12:06 |
knome | LO is because the wiki markup (CamelCase creates links) | 12:06 |
knome | and media apps is fixed in docs | 12:06 |
knome | so just dismiss, it will be okay | 12:06 |
elfy | I thought bluesabre was looking anyway - so I was just saying :) | 12:07 |
knome | np | 12:07 |
knome | good to make sure | 12:07 |
elfy | :) | 12:08 |
bluesabre | so that means you're not currently editing, right elfy? | 12:08 |
elfy | yep | 12:08 |
bluesabre | Cool, thanks | 12:08 |
elfy | not editing anything at all | 12:08 |
knome | so update manager is "software updater" in Q? | 12:12 |
knome | i need to fix that | 12:12 |
knome | done | 12:22 |
knome | ok, all but 4 subsections converted | 12:23 |
* bluesabre wonders if we really need to link to the core xfce/gnome apps websites | 12:26 | |
knome | maybe not | 12:26 |
bluesabre | Done. http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Quick guide to default applications | 12:30 |
bluesabre | But yeah, who is honestly going to click the link for | 12:30 |
bluesabre | PulseAudio, Dictionary, Evince, Orage, Gigolo, Task Manager | 12:31 |
bluesabre | PulseAudio, maybe | 12:31 |
knome | bluesabre, feel free to drop links you don't think are necessary | 12:31 |
knome | and i don't even know if we should specifically list task manager :P | 12:32 |
knome | (unless we tell what it does, for starters) | 12:32 |
elfy | does not the name give it away | 12:32 |
knome | kind of | 12:33 |
knome | but doesn't every OS have one? | 12:33 |
elfy | I'd have to assume so | 12:33 |
bluesabre | I'd imagine that if a user doesn't know what it is, it's probably better for them to not know about the Task Manager | 12:35 |
* smartboyhw will click Orage and PulseAudio if I'm a beginner... | 12:36 | |
bluesabre | Yeah, I opted to not remove links | 12:36 |
bluesabre | knome, elfy, others? Wanna review the changes? | 12:46 |
* elfy can look | 12:46 | |
elfy | looks ok to me | 12:48 |
knome | looks fine to me | 12:48 |
elfy | though I wonder at the inclusion of Ibus - it's not to my knowledge mentioned anywhere else | 12:49 |
knome | so isn't task manager ;] | 12:52 |
elfy | :) | 12:52 |
bluesabre | yeah, not sure about that one, but people might be curious as to what it is (now that I read that section, I finally know what its for) | 12:52 |
elfy | and actually don't you have to install pavu? | 12:54 |
elfy | now I come to think about it | 12:55 |
bluesabre | I have no idea | 12:57 |
elfy | not in xubuntu-desktop so I assume not | 12:58 |
elfy | but anyway - as it stands - it looks ok :) | 12:59 |
knome | take that, docbook | 13:32 |
knome | only one section left to convert | 13:33 |
bluesabre | booyah | 13:33 |
* smartboyhw adds oil on knome | 13:34 | |
smartboyhw | add oil = give support:) | 13:34 |
olbi | hello | 16:24 |
olbi | who is responsible for translating slides during installation of Xubuntu 12.10? :) | 16:24 |
knome | olbi, the community | 16:54 |
SkippersBoss | knome, i send something through the e-mail list | 17:01 |
SkippersBoss | I was told i was blocked. Did you see it ?? | 17:02 |
knome | SkippersBoss, i believe it's simply in the queue | 17:02 |
knome | SkippersBoss, have you subscribed to the list? | 17:02 |
SkippersBoss | thought i did | 17:03 |
SkippersBoss | its was my reactions towards the wish to scrap all outside references in the quick guide | 17:04 |
SkippersBoss | :-) | 17:04 |
SkippersBoss | sorry smiley went ino wrong window | 17:04 |
knome | oh well | 17:05 |
knome | it's converted to docbook now :) | 17:05 |
SkippersBoss | never mind then | 17:06 |
SkippersBoss | Your the boss | 17:06 |
SkippersBoss | I follow your lead here | 17:06 |
knome | i think it's good to point to external stuff, especially if they offer more user support than our docs | 17:06 |
SkippersBoss | That was my rationelle. Don't do double work | 17:07 |
pleia2 | knome: yay! | 17:08 |
SkippersBoss | a ms ghana | 17:08 |
SkippersBoss | when are you leaving | 17:08 |
pleia2 | october 10th | 17:09 |
olbi | when will be updated Daily Builds LiveCD whith newest transaltions? | 17:09 |
knome | pleia2, :) | 17:11 |
knome | pleia2, now can you ask rocket2dmn to help us get the rest of the stuff done.. | 17:12 |
micahg | olbi: only if there are new upstream versions | 17:12 |
pleia2 | knome: if you put in a MP and send a mail to the -doc list, I can follow up on the thread I was talking to him on | 17:12 |
knome | MP? | 17:13 |
knome | oh, merge proposal | 17:13 |
pleia2 | yeah | 17:13 |
knome | before doing that, i'd actually want somebody to look at our branch | 17:13 |
pleia2 | ok | 17:13 |
pleia2 | actually, I think you really should just put in the MP | 17:15 |
knome | lol | 17:15 |
knome | i'll look at that when i'm on my desktop | 17:15 |
pleia2 | it should auto-ping the people who may want to look at it, so they can just sit down, review, approve | 17:15 |
pleia2 | instead of sit down, review, email you back to do the MP, forget where they left off, review 2 days later... | 17:16 |
knome | lol | 17:16 |
elfy | :) | 17:16 |
olbi | :] | 17:17 |
olbi | what is the adress of document where I could test daily builds and types results? | 17:18 |
elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker | 17:18 |
elfy | that one olbi ? | 17:18 |
pleia2 | disabled creation of new accounts on the wiki, now to do some cleanup | 17:19 |
olbi | I mean same document in google docs which was with Xubuntu 11.10 :) | 17:20 |
knome | have i done it wrong, or why don't i have a merge proposal button in my branch overview | 17:21 |
pleia2 | hmm | 17:22 |
pleia2 | the link should say "Propose for merging" | 17:23 |
knome | yeah, no such link | 17:23 |
pleia2 | how did you check it out initially, bzr branch? | 17:23 |
knome | i believe so yeah | 17:24 |
pleia2 | ok, I'll just send an email now and ask for some guidance | 17:27 |
knome | ta | 17:27 |
pleia2 | you're on the list right, no need to Cc:? | 17:28 |
knome | ubuntu-doc? | 17:28 |
knome | i'm not | 17:28 |
pleia2 | ok, I shall cc | 17:28 |
knome | i hate docs >:) | 17:28 |
pleia2 | ok, sent | 17:29 |
pleia2 | haha | 17:29 |
knome | oh oh! | 17:34 |
knome | i think i solved it | 17:34 |
pleia2 | oh good | 17:35 |
knome | hmm, no | 17:35 |
knome | meh | 17:35 |
pleia2 | hehe | 17:35 |
knome | head hurts | 17:35 |
pleia2 | aw | 17:35 |
Unit193 | Less whiskey. | 17:35 |
knome | ok, i think i fixed it | 17:42 |
knome | no? | 17:43 |
knome | "not mergeable" | 17:43 |
pleia2 | hrm | 17:44 |
pleia2 | maybe it has something to do with /quantal not existing as an active branch | 17:44 |
pleia2 | I guess we'll just wait for help | 17:44 |
knome | oh my! | 17:49 |
knome | https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubuntu/quantal/xubuntu-docs/new-docs/+merge/124580 | 17:49 |
pleia2 | huh | 17:50 |
knome | meh. :) | 17:53 |
knome | so at least it's done now | 17:53 |
knome | pleia2, do you want to update them? that branch you linked to doesn't exist anymore | 18:06 |
pleia2 | ok | 18:07 |
knome | thanks | 18:07 |
pleia2 | oh good connor replied | 19:47 |
knome | mmhmm | 19:49 |
knome | i shall look... | 19:50 |
knome | aha | 19:51 |
knome | pleia2, you still there? | 20:28 |
knome | hey Book_em_Dano | 20:36 |
Book_em_Dano | hey | 20:37 |
knome | so, what do you know about documentation building? :P | 20:37 |
Rocket2DMn | knome, this is Connor | 21:04 |
knome | hey Rocket2DMn! :) | 21:05 |
knome | so, i've pushed the changes to the branch | 21:05 |
knome | all the validation errors looks like gone now | 21:05 |
Rocket2DMn | alright, give me a minute | 21:07 |
knome | sure | 21:07 |
Rocket2DMn | did you update pot files? | 21:08 |
knome | mm, i'm not completely sure - possibly | 21:09 |
knome | i can do that if that's the only missing thing | 21:09 |
Rocket2DMn | no, you're not really supposed to touch them | 21:09 |
knome | doing 'make' still gives some warnings as i wrote in the mail | 21:09 |
knome | aha | 21:09 |
knome | ok, so why does make create them? :P | 21:09 |
knome | (there isn't even a make target that doesn't create them, but rebuilds the html and css) | 21:10 |
Rocket2DMn | i dont know very much about translations, not sure how they are supposed to get updated in our source, if at all. translations are done through lp | 21:10 |
knome | mm-hmm | 21:10 |
knome | yeah, i was wondering how they work too | 21:10 |
knome | but i can remove the .pots from the final version before MP | 21:10 |
Rocket2DMn | hmm im not really the person to answer questions about the pot files, i never touch them | 21:12 |
knome | ok... :) | 21:12 |
knome | do you know who is? | 21:12 |
Rocket2DMn | ive never actually worked with the xubuntu docs, mostly just the main ubuntu-docs and the serverguide | 21:12 |
Rocket2DMn | mdke (Matthew East) is in charge of the docs team, he would probably know how they are handled. | 21:12 |
Rocket2DMn | He's the guy we need to update the branches too | 21:12 |
knome | ubuntu-docs at least used to use the same stuff than xubuntu | 21:13 |
Rocket2DMn | yeah it used to be in docbook, now its in mallard. the proiject setup looks very similar to the older ubuntu-docs setup | 21:13 |
Rocket2DMn | the serverguide still uses docbook | 21:13 |
knome | yeah, it was really similar, but i've cleaned up a bit | 21:14 |
Rocket2DMn | we still have the problem of merging it back into our development branch | 21:14 |
knome | well, i noticed there were some problems earlier | 21:14 |
Rocket2DMn | you branched from lp:ubuntu/xubuntu docs rather than lp:xubuntu-docs right? | 21:14 |
knome | i didn't even get a "merge proposal" link | 21:15 |
Rocket2DMn | from what i gather, the latter just updates from the former whenever we do a release | 21:15 |
knome | but i simply pushed to different location, and now it allowed me to propose the merge | 21:15 |
knome | i can't remember which one i originall branched tbh, it's quite a lot of time | 21:15 |
pleia2 | Rocket2DMn: hey, thank you! | 21:15 |
Rocket2DMn | pleia2, long time no see. you're welcome | 21:16 |
Rocket2DMn | knome, i assume you deleted files as part of this process? | 21:16 |
knome | Rocket2DMn, yeah, quite a lot actually | 21:17 |
knome | Rocket2DMn, i was wondering if i deleted something we needed, but i don't think so | 21:18 |
Rocket2DMn | im just trying to figure out the best way to get your changes merged, give me a few minutes to play around | 21:20 |
knome | sure, and please tell me if i can help in any way | 21:20 |
Rocket2DMn | knome, how familiar are you with bzr? | 21:30 |
knome | mediocre | 21:31 |
Rocket2DMn | hmm | 21:32 |
Rocket2DMn | i'm trying to decide if i should do this in one commit or two. since we're gonna blow everything away that's currently there, it might be safer to delete everything first, commit, then merge | 21:33 |
Rocket2DMn | since these branches don't have a common ancestor, i get conflicts everywhere when i merge, which is expected, i'm just not entirely sure i am resolving them properly | 21:33 |
knome | deleting first sounds okay to me | 21:34 |
knome | we don't want to migrate anything from the old branch anyway | 21:34 |
knome | (and we'll always have the history) | 21:34 |
Rocket2DMn | it might be better to have mdke just create a new lp:xubuntu-docs branch from scratch | 21:34 |
Rocket2DMn | then we can dump everything there with a clean history | 21:34 |
knome | everything goes for me, as long as we can do this before docfreeze and beta2freeze | 21:34 |
Rocket2DMn | i can commit what i have, but i'm going to email Matthew to see how he wants to do it. i'd suggest a branch new branch since we're basically starting over | 21:35 |
knome | sure | 21:36 |
knome | and again, if you need anything from me... | 21:36 |
Rocket2DMn | knome, i sent an email to Matthew. You can find him in #ubuntu-doc but he is away most of the time | 21:50 |
knome | thanks, i'll join | 21:51 |
Rocket2DMn | if you idle on IRC, you can probably send him a message and wait. He lives in Europe I think, so it may be difficult to get ahold of him in the late afternoon/evening | 21:51 |
knome | huh, idle 60 days | 21:51 |
knome | i live in EU too. :) | 21:51 |
Rocket2DMn | 60 days, nice | 21:51 |
Rocket2DMn | ah ok, then you may have better luck getting ahold of him than i usually do | 21:51 |
knome | mmh, maybe, if he isn't planning to be idle the next 60 days too ;) | 21:52 |
Rocket2DMn | ok, well i'll idle on IRC for awhile, but i am stepping afk, i'll check back periodically | 21:55 |
knome | ok, have fun and thanks! | 21:56 |
knome | Rocket2DMn, just updated the branch; removed the .pots and did some more cleanup | 22:13 |
ochosi | hi everyone | 22:24 |
Book_em_Dano | knome, I have a question about the images that are supposed to appear inline on the docs, this may not be a high priority topic given what you are trying to accomplish as of yet | 22:31 |
knome | Book_em_Dano, yes? | 22:32 |
Book_em_Dano | the images are not appearing, what are you using to render the xml files | 22:32 |
knome | gedit :P | 22:32 |
knome | i wonder if the latest "fixes" broke them then | 22:33 |
knome | Book_em_Dano, i can see them. | 22:34 |
knome | Book_em_Dano, are you building the docs in a different way or sth? | 22:34 |
Book_em_Dano | I've been using yelp to render the source code | 22:35 |
knome | aha, i don't know about yelp. i've been building the docs with the Makefile | 22:35 |
knome | (just run make in the root, and look at "build") | 22:35 |
Book_em_Dano | once the package is built, you are using the html files | 22:35 |
knome | yes | 22:35 |
knome | those html files do show me the images | 22:36 |
ochosi | knome: what viewer are we using for our docs atm? (haven't bothered to use them in a looong time) | 22:41 |
knome | ochosi, for the offline docs? $default_browser | 22:41 |
ochosi | so ff in our default case | 22:42 |
knome | yes | 22:42 |
ochosi | mmhm | 22:42 |
* ochosi wonders whether there'd be a better solution for that | 22:42 | |
knome | what do you mean? | 22:42 |
ochosi | dunno, a slimmer browser | 22:42 |
knome | a better browser, or a better way to work with the docs? | 22:42 |
ochosi | i mean yelp is dedicated to docs | 22:42 |
knome | mm-hmm | 22:43 |
ochosi | but otoh it's not very slim | 22:43 |
knome | midori :P | 22:43 |
knome | i don't really know if we need yet another browser | 22:43 |
knome | ff works fine | 22:43 |
ochosi | either that, or a tiny gtk-html implementation | 22:43 |
knome | ok, it's slow, but so what? | 22:43 |
knome | you're not going to need to refer to the docs all the time | 22:43 |
knome | they aren't even so extensive you could | 22:43 |
ochosi | yeah, but still, imo it's always nice to have an efficient solution for one usecase | 22:44 |
knome | kind of, but in a way it again feels a bit unnecessary, since we already have FF for browsing and viewing html files | 22:44 |
knome | if we want to be lighter, let's switch firefox | 22:45 |
knome | why does amazon "recommend" me something that is on my wishlist? | 22:46 |
ochosi | heh | 22:46 |
ochosi | yeah, tbh switching ff would work for me | 22:46 |
ochosi | at least if we also switch to a different mailclient | 22:46 |
knome | heh | 22:47 |
knome | i'm still fine with that if people do thorough comparison reports | 22:47 |
micahg | FWIW, dropping yelp would be great as it would drop some more unneeded GNOME stuff | 22:48 |
micahg | (including gnome-user-docs) | 22:48 |
ochosi | +1 as our docs don't use yelp that'd be great | 22:49 |
knome | yeah, but something does use yelp, right? | 22:49 |
ochosi | gnome apps use yelp for their docs | 22:49 |
knome | yeah | 22:49 |
knome | would it suck if gnome apps didn't have help? | 22:50 |
knome | well, kind of, if they aren't pulling yelp in at all.. | 22:50 |
ochosi | haven't looked, but it'd be at least evince, simplescan... | 22:51 |
ochosi | an alternative would be to also use yelp for our docs | 22:52 |
knome | :F | 22:52 |
* ochosi sees potential up and downsides there | 22:53 | |
ochosi | it'd prolly be worth to talk to folks like j1mc bout that | 23:01 |
knome | yeah, and i think it might have been worth thinking if we want to step away from docbook too | 23:02 |
knome | (the answer is now: you are free to do it, but i'm not helping :P) | 23:02 |
knome | but might've been different 6 months ago | 23:02 |
ochosi | yeah i can see why now is a bad time to talk about that | 23:03 |
knome | now, or even for S | 23:04 |
knome | i don't see any reason why we'd migrate away, since docbook, once converted, does not need a specialized application to browse | 23:04 |
knome | and our situation now is quite good, the docs should be pretty up-to-date and all | 23:05 |
ochosi | yup | 23:06 |
ochosi | updating my quantal testbox now to see what awaits us in b2 | 23:11 |
knome | :) | 23:33 |
ochosi | strange, somehow greybird's xfwm4 didn't get installed... | 23:34 |
knome | hmm? :) | 23:34 |
ochosi | reinstalling the pkgs now | 23:35 |
knome | heh, monday's first mail | 23:36 |
knome | not to us, but neighbours | 23:36 |
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