=== TheMaster is now known as Unit193 [09:56] hey elfy [10:04] hi knome [10:06] elfy, want to review a few more doc pages? :] [10:06] lol [10:06] knome: I can - which ones [10:06] elfy, let me see [10:07] these are not submitted by you, so these are the only ones you can still review: [10:07] 5/Photos and Cameras [10:07] 6/Network connections [10:07] 6/Troubleshooting [10:07] 7/Printing [10:07] 7/Scanning [10:08] and that's it [10:08] ok [10:08] thanks [10:08] i'll try to get more converted to docbook today again [10:09] Identify yourselves guys chanserv is back [10:09] * knome is still identified [10:09] * elfy is too [10:10] Well sure I didn't since I just joined and I can't identify when it is down mate [10:10] * Unit193 is as always [10:10] lol [10:13] i suppose i should just start working with the docs... [10:14] knome - just checking for englisg/grammar etc - I can't check scanning or prinitng for it working [10:15] elfy, yeah, that's fine, and if you can check that the app paths are correct as much as you can... [10:15] (and menus) [10:15] yep :) [10:15] ok - back in a bit then :p [10:15] thanks! [10:15] * knome goes converting another subsection to docbook [10:20] knome: you want to know in here which I have checked or on the pad? if the pad - what's the link again :p [10:20] here is fine at this stahge : [10:20] stage and :P too [10:21] scanning is done [10:21] elfy: You mean http://typewith.me/p/x-q-docs-checkout ? [10:45] knome: printing done, troubleshooting done - but if network connections is "network connections" then troubleshooting should be "network troubleshooting" logically [10:46] ok, thanks [10:46] i'll fix that for the docs [10:46] k [10:53] knome: network connections done [10:54] ta [11:02] knome: I've removed the image viewer bits that jackFromm temp struck out and that is all checked now too [11:06] in what? :) [11:06] photos/cams? [11:07] yea sorry - thought it would make sense as it was last one you asked me to check :) [11:07] hehe, yeah [11:07] ta [11:08] should be just quick guide and upgrading left in Table of Contents not bold I think [11:08] yep [11:08] and not much that isn't underlined ;) [11:09] underlined is ? converting to docbooks? [11:09] underlined is converted [11:09] isap [11:09] heh [11:09] cool [11:09] there goes my test-vbox pass :P [11:10] lol [11:19] so anything you want me to look at today knome ? [11:19] umm.. not really after you done those reviews, unless you want to go adventurous and build the docs :D [11:20] ... [11:20] not sure :p [11:21] yeah, you really don't need to [11:21] ok lol [11:21] I'll go hae lunch instead then :) [11:22] ok, bon appetit :) [11:44] hey jjfrv8 :) [11:44] G'day. [11:45] knome, Looks like you're almost there :) [11:46] yeah, almost [11:52] hey bluesabre :) [11:52] hiya knome! [11:53] hi bluesabre [11:53] hey elfy [11:53] how is everyone today? [11:53] good [11:53] ok now thanks [11:53] working on the docbook conversions again [11:55] making good progress? [11:55] quite [11:55] check the wiki [11:56] knome: you not want upgrading and quick guide checked - or have they been done already [11:56] elfy, you've submitted them for review, so you can't review them ;) [11:56] bluesabre could... [11:56] wowza [11:56] I took a look at upgrading one. [11:56] aah - /me forgets stuff fairly quickly [11:56] +the [11:56] looks like we're almost there [11:56] bluesabre, exactly [11:57] Unit193, do you think it's ready to be published, or do you want somebody to still review it? [11:57] I can have a look at quick guide [11:57] bluesabre, we should move the stuff in quick guide around [11:57] see how the internet -section is organized [11:57] i mean, inside the guide [11:58] knome: I think it was pretty much set, just made a couple changes. [11:58] Unit193, ok, i'll mark it as checked-out hten [11:58] then [11:58] Wouldn't hurt I'm sure, having another look. :P [11:59] well, all the pages are not going to be perfect anyway [11:59] so we'll probably get bugs, and we can fix them for Q or R [12:02] that'll be a whole lot easier [12:02] definitely [12:03] knome, as far as moving things around, what are you shooting for with the other sections in the quick guide? [12:03] i mean, the first word should be the application bolded [12:04] and the link should be at the end [12:04] feel free to disagree :) [12:04] ok, I thought that was what you meant. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything [12:04] heh, sure [12:05] elfy: If you wanted to look at the diff, and see if I changed something in error? :P [12:05] there are 2 links in that page that go to empty pages - media applications adnd libreoffice [12:06] Unit193: if it's needed [12:06] elfy, yeah, you can dismiss that [12:06] dismiss or remove ? [12:06] LO is because the wiki markup (CamelCase creates links) [12:06] and media apps is fixed in docs [12:06] so just dismiss, it will be okay [12:07] I thought bluesabre was looking anyway - so I was just saying :) [12:07] np [12:07] good to make sure [12:08] :) [12:08] so that means you're not currently editing, right elfy? [12:08] yep [12:08] Cool, thanks [12:08] not editing anything at all [12:12] so update manager is "software updater" in Q? [12:12] i need to fix that [12:22] done [12:23] ok, all but 4 subsections converted [12:26] * bluesabre wonders if we really need to link to the core xfce/gnome apps websites [12:26] maybe not [12:30] Done. http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10/Quick guide to default applications [12:30] But yeah, who is honestly going to click the link for [12:31] PulseAudio, Dictionary, Evince, Orage, Gigolo, Task Manager [12:31] PulseAudio, maybe [12:31] bluesabre, feel free to drop links you don't think are necessary [12:32] and i don't even know if we should specifically list task manager :P [12:32] (unless we tell what it does, for starters) [12:32] does not the name give it away [12:33] kind of [12:33] but doesn't every OS have one? [12:33] I'd have to assume so [12:35] I'd imagine that if a user doesn't know what it is, it's probably better for them to not know about the Task Manager [12:36] * smartboyhw will click Orage and PulseAudio if I'm a beginner... [12:36] Yeah, I opted to not remove links [12:46] knome, elfy, others? Wanna review the changes? [12:46] * elfy can look [12:48] looks ok to me [12:48] looks fine to me [12:49] though I wonder at the inclusion of Ibus - it's not to my knowledge mentioned anywhere else [12:52] so isn't task manager ;] [12:52] :) [12:52] yeah, not sure about that one, but people might be curious as to what it is (now that I read that section, I finally know what its for) [12:54] and actually don't you have to install pavu? [12:55] now I come to think about it [12:57] I have no idea [12:58] not in xubuntu-desktop so I assume not [12:59] but anyway - as it stands - it looks ok :) [13:32] take that, docbook [13:33] only one section left to convert [13:33] booyah [13:34] * smartboyhw adds oil on knome [13:34] add oil = give support:) [16:24] hello [16:24] who is responsible for translating slides during installation of Xubuntu 12.10? :) [16:54] olbi, the community [17:01] knome, i send something through the e-mail list [17:02] I was told i was blocked. Did you see it ?? [17:02] SkippersBoss, i believe it's simply in the queue [17:02] SkippersBoss, have you subscribed to the list? [17:03] thought i did [17:04] its was my reactions towards the wish to scrap all outside references in the quick guide [17:04] :-) [17:04] sorry smiley went ino wrong window [17:05] oh well [17:05] it's converted to docbook now :) [17:06] never mind then [17:06] Your the boss [17:06] I follow your lead here [17:06] i think it's good to point to external stuff, especially if they offer more user support than our docs [17:07] That was my rationelle. Don't do double work [17:08] knome: yay! [17:08] a ms ghana [17:08] when are you leaving [17:09] october 10th [17:09] when will be updated Daily Builds LiveCD whith newest transaltions? [17:11] pleia2, :) [17:12] pleia2, now can you ask rocket2dmn to help us get the rest of the stuff done.. [17:12] olbi: only if there are new upstream versions [17:12] knome: if you put in a MP and send a mail to the -doc list, I can follow up on the thread I was talking to him on [17:13] MP? [17:13] oh, merge proposal [17:13] yeah [17:13] before doing that, i'd actually want somebody to look at our branch [17:13] ok [17:15] actually, I think you really should just put in the MP [17:15] lol [17:15] i'll look at that when i'm on my desktop [17:15] it should auto-ping the people who may want to look at it, so they can just sit down, review, approve [17:16] instead of sit down, review, email you back to do the MP, forget where they left off, review 2 days later... [17:16] lol [17:16] :) [17:17] :] [17:18] what is the adress of document where I could test daily builds and types results? [17:18] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker [17:18] that one olbi ? [17:19] disabled creation of new accounts on the wiki, now to do some cleanup [17:20] I mean same document in google docs which was with Xubuntu 11.10 :) [17:21] have i done it wrong, or why don't i have a merge proposal button in my branch overview [17:22] hmm [17:23] the link should say "Propose for merging" [17:23] yeah, no such link [17:23] how did you check it out initially, bzr branch? [17:24] i believe so yeah [17:27] ok, I'll just send an email now and ask for some guidance [17:27] ta [17:28] you're on the list right, no need to Cc:? [17:28] ubuntu-doc? [17:28] i'm not [17:28] ok, I shall cc [17:28] i hate docs >:) [17:29] ok, sent [17:29] haha [17:34] oh oh! [17:34] i think i solved it [17:35] oh good [17:35] hmm, no [17:35] meh [17:35] hehe [17:35] head hurts [17:35] aw [17:35] Less whiskey. [17:42] ok, i think i fixed it [17:43] no? [17:43] "not mergeable" [17:44] hrm [17:44] maybe it has something to do with /quantal not existing as an active branch [17:44] I guess we'll just wait for help [17:49] oh my! [17:49] https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubuntu/quantal/xubuntu-docs/new-docs/+merge/124580 [17:50] huh [17:53] meh. :) [17:53] so at least it's done now [18:06] pleia2, do you want to update them? that branch you linked to doesn't exist anymore [18:07] ok [18:07] thanks [19:47] oh good connor replied [19:49] mmhmm [19:50] i shall look... [19:51] aha [20:28] pleia2, you still there? [20:36] hey Book_em_Dano [20:37] hey [20:37] so, what do you know about documentation building? :P [21:04] knome, this is Connor [21:05] hey Rocket2DMn! :) [21:05] so, i've pushed the changes to the branch [21:05] all the validation errors looks like gone now [21:07] alright, give me a minute [21:07] sure [21:08] did you update pot files? [21:09] mm, i'm not completely sure - possibly [21:09] i can do that if that's the only missing thing [21:09] no, you're not really supposed to touch them [21:09] doing 'make' still gives some warnings as i wrote in the mail [21:09] aha [21:09] ok, so why does make create them? :P [21:10] (there isn't even a make target that doesn't create them, but rebuilds the html and css) [21:10] i dont know very much about translations, not sure how they are supposed to get updated in our source, if at all. translations are done through lp [21:10] mm-hmm [21:10] yeah, i was wondering how they work too [21:10] but i can remove the .pots from the final version before MP [21:12] hmm im not really the person to answer questions about the pot files, i never touch them [21:12] ok... :) [21:12] do you know who is? [21:12] ive never actually worked with the xubuntu docs, mostly just the main ubuntu-docs and the serverguide [21:12] mdke (Matthew East) is in charge of the docs team, he would probably know how they are handled. [21:12] He's the guy we need to update the branches too [21:13] ubuntu-docs at least used to use the same stuff than xubuntu [21:13] yeah it used to be in docbook, now its in mallard. the proiject setup looks very similar to the older ubuntu-docs setup [21:13] the serverguide still uses docbook [21:14] yeah, it was really similar, but i've cleaned up a bit [21:14] we still have the problem of merging it back into our development branch [21:14] well, i noticed there were some problems earlier [21:14] you branched from lp:ubuntu/xubuntu docs rather than lp:xubuntu-docs right? [21:15] i didn't even get a "merge proposal" link [21:15] from what i gather, the latter just updates from the former whenever we do a release [21:15] but i simply pushed to different location, and now it allowed me to propose the merge [21:15] i can't remember which one i originall branched tbh, it's quite a lot of time [21:15] Rocket2DMn: hey, thank you! [21:16] pleia2, long time no see. you're welcome [21:16] knome, i assume you deleted files as part of this process? [21:17] Rocket2DMn, yeah, quite a lot actually [21:18] Rocket2DMn, i was wondering if i deleted something we needed, but i don't think so [21:20] im just trying to figure out the best way to get your changes merged, give me a few minutes to play around [21:20] sure, and please tell me if i can help in any way [21:30] knome, how familiar are you with bzr? [21:31] mediocre [21:32] hmm [21:33] i'm trying to decide if i should do this in one commit or two. since we're gonna blow everything away that's currently there, it might be safer to delete everything first, commit, then merge [21:33] since these branches don't have a common ancestor, i get conflicts everywhere when i merge, which is expected, i'm just not entirely sure i am resolving them properly [21:34] deleting first sounds okay to me [21:34] we don't want to migrate anything from the old branch anyway [21:34] (and we'll always have the history) [21:34] it might be better to have mdke just create a new lp:xubuntu-docs branch from scratch [21:34] then we can dump everything there with a clean history [21:34] everything goes for me, as long as we can do this before docfreeze and beta2freeze [21:35] i can commit what i have, but i'm going to email Matthew to see how he wants to do it. i'd suggest a branch new branch since we're basically starting over [21:36] sure [21:36] and again, if you need anything from me... [21:50] knome, i sent an email to Matthew. You can find him in #ubuntu-doc but he is away most of the time [21:51] thanks, i'll join [21:51] if you idle on IRC, you can probably send him a message and wait. He lives in Europe I think, so it may be difficult to get ahold of him in the late afternoon/evening [21:51] huh, idle 60 days [21:51] i live in EU too. :) [21:51] 60 days, nice [21:51] ah ok, then you may have better luck getting ahold of him than i usually do [21:52] mmh, maybe, if he isn't planning to be idle the next 60 days too ;) [21:55] ok, well i'll idle on IRC for awhile, but i am stepping afk, i'll check back periodically [21:56] ok, have fun and thanks! [22:13] Rocket2DMn, just updated the branch; removed the .pots and did some more cleanup [22:24] hi everyone [22:31] knome, I have a question about the images that are supposed to appear inline on the docs, this may not be a high priority topic given what you are trying to accomplish as of yet [22:32] Book_em_Dano, yes? [22:32] the images are not appearing, what are you using to render the xml files [22:32] gedit :P [22:33] i wonder if the latest "fixes" broke them then [22:34] Book_em_Dano, i can see them. [22:34] Book_em_Dano, are you building the docs in a different way or sth? [22:35] I've been using yelp to render the source code [22:35] aha, i don't know about yelp. i've been building the docs with the Makefile [22:35] (just run make in the root, and look at "build") [22:35] once the package is built, you are using the html files [22:35] yes [22:36] those html files do show me the images [22:41] knome: what viewer are we using for our docs atm? (haven't bothered to use them in a looong time) [22:41] ochosi, for the offline docs? $default_browser [22:42] so ff in our default case [22:42] yes [22:42] mmhm [22:42] * ochosi wonders whether there'd be a better solution for that [22:42] what do you mean? [22:42] dunno, a slimmer browser [22:42] a better browser, or a better way to work with the docs? [22:42] i mean yelp is dedicated to docs [22:43] mm-hmm [22:43] but otoh it's not very slim [22:43] midori :P [22:43] i don't really know if we need yet another browser [22:43] ff works fine [22:43] either that, or a tiny gtk-html implementation [22:43] ok, it's slow, but so what? [22:43] you're not going to need to refer to the docs all the time [22:43] they aren't even so extensive you could [22:44] yeah, but still, imo it's always nice to have an efficient solution for one usecase [22:44] kind of, but in a way it again feels a bit unnecessary, since we already have FF for browsing and viewing html files [22:45] if we want to be lighter, let's switch firefox [22:46] why does amazon "recommend" me something that is on my wishlist? [22:46] heh [22:46] yeah, tbh switching ff would work for me [22:46] at least if we also switch to a different mailclient [22:47] heh [22:47] i'm still fine with that if people do thorough comparison reports [22:48] FWIW, dropping yelp would be great as it would drop some more unneeded GNOME stuff [22:48] (including gnome-user-docs) [22:49] +1 as our docs don't use yelp that'd be great [22:49] yeah, but something does use yelp, right? [22:49] gnome apps use yelp for their docs [22:49] yeah [22:50] would it suck if gnome apps didn't have help? [22:50] well, kind of, if they aren't pulling yelp in at all.. [22:51] haven't looked, but it'd be at least evince, simplescan... [22:52] an alternative would be to also use yelp for our docs [22:52] :F [22:53] * ochosi sees potential up and downsides there [23:01] it'd prolly be worth to talk to folks like j1mc bout that [23:02] yeah, and i think it might have been worth thinking if we want to step away from docbook too [23:02] (the answer is now: you are free to do it, but i'm not helping :P) [23:02] but might've been different 6 months ago [23:03] yeah i can see why now is a bad time to talk about that [23:04] now, or even for S [23:04] i don't see any reason why we'd migrate away, since docbook, once converted, does not need a specialized application to browse [23:05] and our situation now is quite good, the docs should be pretty up-to-date and all [23:06] yup [23:11] updating my quantal testbox now to see what awaits us in b2 [23:33] :) [23:34] strange, somehow greybird's xfwm4 didn't get installed... [23:34] hmm? :) [23:35] reinstalling the pkgs now [23:36] heh, monday's first mail [23:36] not to us, but neighbours