[01:19] <Guest77107> hi folks. got kubuntu 12.04 oon a laptop. it's not mine, but my roommate's. Anyway he said that it was running just fine on friday. yesterday he booted up and it won't see that he has a wifi card. it's on. as a matter of fact i'm on the machine now via a live disc and it loaded the wifi card just fine. so i guess there's some process locking the card and not sure how to release it so it can be used./
[01:26] <avihay> Guest77107: I recommand you supply more details, you need to be more specific about "won't see that he has a wifi card.". other then that, I've had issues with network not working after a failed suspend/hibernate, though I think it's been fixed, and you might want to have a look at the state of RFKill
[01:27] <Guest77107> avihay: looking at it, the file is empty
[01:28] <avihay> what file?
[01:28] <Guest77107> avihay: sorry i'm not being clear here. the saved=state file in rfkill
[01:29] <Guest77107> avihay: the network manager has the wireless tab greyed out. the only option it has is wired or vpn or dsl.
[01:29] <andrewx> I'd like to run a Bash script each time immediately after logging in, How do I do this please?
[01:29] <andrewx> I want this to run automatically.
[01:31] <avihay> calcmandan: can you run rfkill list on the laptop while the problematic os is on?
[01:31] <calcmandan> avihay: sure i'll do that, and record what it says and come back. problem is that i'm on the problematic laptop so i'll be back in a few mintues.
[01:32] <avihay> do you have wire lan?
[01:32] <calcmandan> avihay: i could. that would be a good idea. i think i'll do that.
[01:33] <avihay> andrewx: system settings->Startup and shutdown->autostart
[01:33] <avihay> the add script shold do and it lets you choose when to run it
[01:34] <avihay> add script button*
[01:35] <andrewx> I don't see any such thing...
[01:35] <andrewx> where is that, exactly?
[01:36] <avihay> system settings
[01:36] <andrewx> advanced settings, autostart <--- same thing?
[01:36] <andrewx> your verion of kubuntu is likely newer than this
[01:36] <andrewx> Okay, I see.
[01:36] <avihay> ya, the advanced tab dissapeard over two years ago, are you on debian stable?
[01:37] <avihay> disappeared
[01:37] <andrewx> I can't use 12.04, I seem to have trouble with it for some reason.
[01:37] <calcmandan_> avihay: rfkill list?
[01:37] <avihay> ya
[01:37] <andrewx> I use 10.x, earliest 11.x, since it works so much better
[01:37] <calcmandan_> avihay: lists nothing
[01:38] <avihay> if you are using pastebing, you might as well attach lspci, lsusb and ifconfig
[01:40] <avihay> andrewx: well, KDE has improved alot. you might wanna consider upgrading it independently, though you'd most likely need to recompile from source
[01:40] <andrewx> I'll stuck with 11.x, thanks.
[01:45] <avihay> calcmandan: [04:38:16] <avihay> if you are using pastebing, you might as well attach lspci, lsusb and ifconfig
[01:45] <avihay> didn't notice you disconnected
[01:45] <avihay> pastebin
[01:47] <calcmandan> avihay: paste.kde.org/550232
[01:47] <calcmandan> avihay: paste.kde.org/550238
[01:48] <calcmandan> avihay: paste.kde.org/550244
[01:48] <avihay> MSI laptop btw?
[01:49] <calcmandan> avihay: toshiba satellite
[01:49] <avihay> well, there's no entry for the wlan interface in ifconfig
[01:50] <calcmandan> yeah
[01:50] <calcmandan> don't konw what he did.
[01:50] <calcmandan> if it was my machine, i'd have an idea what i did to make it happen/ but i'm sick of hearing the nags.
[01:50] <calcmandan> he's been borrowing my laptop
[01:53] <avihay> do you get the same output as lsmod |grep ath  as here? http://askubuntu.com/questions/95875/how-do-i-make-my-atheros-ar9285-wireless-adapter-work
[01:53] <calcmandan>  avihay: if i boot that laptop on a live disc, should i copy the contents on the live ifconfig into the installed os's</
[01:55] <avihay> calcmandan: yes, also, can you send lsmod from both systems? I don't know what driver you need
[01:56] <calcmandan> avihay: i can.
[01:56] <calcmandan> avihay: lsmod shows no result
[01:56] <avihay> uhh
[01:56] <avihay> sudo lsmod?
[01:56] <calcmandan> avihay: yeah
[01:56] <avihay> and also without the sudo?
[01:56] <calcmandan> avihay: i did both
[01:57] <calcmandan> avihay: i did without sudo first like a dummy
[01:57] <avihay> try /sbin/lsmod
[01:57] <avihay> I don't need sudo
[01:57] <calcmandan> avihay: already rebooting
[01:58] <avihay> I just saw someone use it, so I thought maybe it's a permission thing
[02:02] <calcmandan> avihay: paste.kde.org/550268 from live boot
[02:02] <avihay> and the lsmod?
[02:03] <avihay> or if lsmod fails, can you go to the network manager, pick the wireless card and tell me what driver it uses?
[02:04] <calcmandan> avihay: paste.kde.org/550274
[02:04] <avihay> actually, do the networkmanager thing too, saves me time
[02:05] <avihay> ok, so the livecd uses the ath5k driver and it seems to work fine
[02:05] <avihay> knetworkmanger says the same thing?
[02:06] <calcmandan> it's not a known command.
[02:06] <avihay> in the system trey
[02:06] <avihay> the network manager gui
[02:07] <calcmandan> ath5k
[02:07] <calcmandan> sorry had to look for it
[02:08] <avihay> ok, I guess the next step is to look for it on the installed system
[02:09] <avihay> switchover and try to give me the output of /sbin/lsmod
[02:10] <calcmandan> mkay
[02:11] <avihay> if the output is empty, try to run "which lsmod" (without the '"''s)
[02:11] <calcmandan> k
[02:11] <avihay> oh, without the | grep stuff
[02:12] <avihay> bathroom break
[02:12] <calcmandan> still no output, after which, /sbin/lsmod
[02:15] <calcmandan> avihay: paste.kde.org/550316 just lsmod by itself
[02:22] <avihay> umm, wow, that's a short lsmod output
[02:23] <avihay> I'm guessing the driver on the wired lan is r8169, can you confirm that with knetworkmanager?
[02:24] <calcmandan> confiurmed
[02:24] <calcmandan> confirme
[02:24] <calcmandan> d
[02:24] <avihay> also, clearly the module for your wireless card doesn't load
[02:25] <avihay> I'm gonna assume it's ath5k, since it works well with the live
[02:25] <calcmandan> not sure why. he said he didn't do anything out of the ordinary. and he won't run updates until i review them
[02:25] <calcmandan> yeah
[02:27] <avihay> it's probably blacklisted, I guess
[02:27] <avihay> we can  take it out of the blacklist or load it manually
[02:27] <calcmandan> i'm open either way.
[02:28] <avihay> let's try sudo modprobe ath5k
[02:28] <calcmandan> no output
[02:29] <avihay> then lsmod with the grep, and compare to the paste from the live
[02:29] <calcmandan> lsmod |grep ath?
[02:30] <avihay> ya
[02:30] <calcmandan> avihay: paste.kde.org/550370
[02:31] <avihay> confirm that you can connect to a wireless network now
[02:31] <calcmandan> avihay: still booting on live
[02:31] <avihay> stop the live boot
[02:32] <calcmandan> alright, rebooting
[02:32] <avihay> we had the output from 10 min ago to compare against
[02:32] <calcmandan> yeah
[02:32] <calcmandan> brb, going to grab my plate.
[02:32] <calcmandan> roommate's my bitch tonight so he made my dinner
[02:32] <avihay> you'd need to modprobe again
[02:38] <calcmandan> avihay: no output for modprobe
[02:38] <cynicist> Guest77107: About the wireless card, most likely the driver for it isn't being loaded. I would run lsmod during the livecd to see what modules are running and compare that with his actual install
[02:38] <avihay> that means nothing went wrong, usually
[02:39] <avihay> cynicist: too late
[02:39] <calcmandan> cynist i'm guest 77107
[02:39] <avihay> calcmandan: try connecting to a wireless network
[02:39] <calcmandan> well what do you know? it's working now!
[02:39] <calcmandan> how the
[02:40] <avihay> well, the driver doesn't load by itself
[02:40] <avihay> it's either a detection problem, or driver being blacklisted
[02:40] <calcmandan> it connected to my oruter.
[02:40] <avihay> most likely the latter
[02:40] <calcmandan> did we do something to load the card?
[02:41] <avihay> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132608 this guy had that problem because he tried to use a different driver and the driver installer did the blacklisting for him
[02:42] <avihay> modeprob loads modules (drivers are one sort of module)  into the running kernel
[02:42] <avihay> modprobe*
[02:42] <calcmandan> well, whatever we did i wish yhhou were in this room with me cause i'd kiss you right on the lips. tongue, no tongue your choice.
[02:42] <cynicist> lol
[02:42] <avihay> we ain't over yet
[02:43] <calcmandan> oh?
[02:43] <cynicist> I would run 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist' and see if ath5k is in there
[02:43] <calcmandan> ok
[02:43] <cynicist> you don't want to modprobe every time you boot hehe
[02:43] <avihay> what he said
[02:43] <avihay> and what he said again
[02:44] <cynicist> seems strange to me though, why it would be blacklisted
[02:44] <calcmandan> no such file
[02:44] <cynicist> hmm
[02:44] <cynicist> I would definitely reboot then and see if it automatically works now
[02:44] <cynicist> if not you have more work to do, if it does then you're good :)
[02:45] <calcmandan> blacklist.conf?
[02:45] <avihay> probably
[02:45] <cynicist> oh oops, yes
[02:45] <calcmandan> i opened it in kate and it's not in there.
[02:46] <avihay> try /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ath_pci.conf
[02:47] <avihay> heck, try all the files there
[02:48] <cynicist> oh interesting, if you need blacklist-ath_pci.conf, apparently there is the potential for conflict for some atheros 5k chips
[02:48] <cynicist> so they say to use jockey to pick one driver or the other
[02:48] <calcmandan> i had to run modprobe again for it to see the card. blacklist-ath_pci has ath_pci blacklisted
[02:49] <avihay> humm, I didn't see anything that looked like a wifi driver in lsmod
[02:49] <cynicist> I would run jockey/additional drivers and see if atheros is mentioned there
[02:50] <avihay> jocky-kde from the terminal
[02:50] <cynicist> yeah or ALT+F2 and type in jockey or additional drivers
[02:51] <calcmandan> it's searching
[02:51] <calcmandan> nada
[02:51] <avihay> jockey-kde
[02:52] <avihay> you might need to install the appropriate package
[02:54] <calcmandan>  jockey loads, just doesn't see proprietary drivers.
[02:54] <cynicist> you could try commenting out the blacklist
[02:54] <calcmandan> i did. rebooting now
[02:54] <cynicist> hope it loads the right driver :s
[02:55] <calcmandan> it's still not loading the card.
[02:55] <cynicist> try changing it
[02:55] <cynicist> to blacklist madwifi
[02:55] <cynicist> instead of blacklist ath_pci
[02:56] <calcmandan> ok
[02:56] <calcmandan> rebooting
[02:57] <calcmandan> going for another round of dinner, brb
[03:02] <calcmandan> card's still not detected
[03:02] <cynicist> calcmandan: actually if ath5k is working out for you just fine and it's not loading automatically you can just add it to /etc/modules
[03:02] <cynicist> calcmandan: and just run sudo update-initramfs -u afterwards
[03:02] <cynicist> and keep ath_pci blacklisted
[03:03] <cynicist> I just realized it doesn't really matter if its autodetected or not as long as you can load it and wifi works :P
[03:03] <calcmandan> it's generating
[03:07] <calcmandan> there we go, it loaded.
[03:07] <cynicist> and wifi works?
[03:08] <calcmandan> yeah. i had to delete the profile for the wifi card and readd it.
[03:08] <cynicist> awesome
[03:08] <calcmandan> but it works.
[03:09] <calcmandan> i blow a kiss in your general direction/.
[03:09] <cynicist> :)
[06:15] <doyle> Hey. How can I get 12.04 to recognize my external monitor? Connected by hdmi. Nvidia graphics.
[06:15] <Deutopia> open synaptics or the software center and install the nvidia hdmi thingy?
[06:16] <Deutopia> synaptic*
[06:19] <hateball> doyle: You need to use nvidia-settings, assuming you use the proprietary driver
[06:22] <doyle> Thank you. Much better.
[06:42] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:55] <Smurphy> Morning ..
[06:56] <lordievader> Hey Smurphy, how are you?
[06:56] <Smurphy> Tired ... Week End too short :}
[06:56] <Smurphy> as usual
[07:41]  * iahmad test
[07:41] <Daskreech> fail!
[07:41]  * Daskreech checks notes
[07:42] <Daskreech> dang it wrong answer sheet
[07:42] <Daskreech> PAss!
[07:43] <none_13> hi guys....
[07:44] <none_13> can u tell  me, room for arp disscussion?
[08:08] <Daskreech> none_13: arp ? ##networking ?
[09:16] <TheOneRing> hi I'm trying to boot kubuntu-active beta1 on my tablet, but it  only starts with a black screen
[09:16] <TheOneRing> its a atom cpu
[09:16] <TheOneRing> with a gma600
[09:20] <TheOneRing> is there a bootopton I could use
[09:22] <Deutopia> is that a n200 atom?
[09:22] <Deutopia> or a very old Atom Z series?
[09:23] <TheOneRing> Z670
[09:24] <TheOneRing> the screen worked with 12.04
[09:25] <TheOneRing> it s a http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-st/pd and the last time I even got the wireless working
[09:25] <TheOneRing> but this time the screen wents black directly after booting
[09:25] <Deutopia> how much time did you allow? firstboot takes a lil while and that aint a camero
[09:26] <TheOneRing> quite some time, and strg+alt+f1 didnt show anything
[09:26] <Deutopia> my friend uses a kubuntu laptop that runs from USB and it just sits at a blank screen for a few minutes b4 booting directly to desktop
[09:26] <TheOneRing> hw to get a verbose boot
[09:27] <TheOneRing> remove quiet and splash in grub?
[09:28] <TheOneRing> hm worked for a few seconds I got some output and then the screen went black again
[09:35] <Deutopia> theonering; have patience; it could take that atom a half hour to boot
[09:36] <Deutopia> wont take so long next time
[09:36] <TheOneRing> it didnt when I tried it the last time
[09:36] <TheOneRing> and Im starting with unetbootin from the harddisk, because I'll need a keyboard and the thing has only one usb port
[09:38] <mah454> Hello
[09:38] <mah454> How can set keyboard shortcut for all users ?
[09:42] <mck182> shadeslayer: pings
[09:42] <shadeslayer> pongs
[09:43] <mck182> shadeslayer: is the kdevelop 4.4rc somewhere available for precise?
[09:43] <shadeslayer> oh derp, I completely forgot about that ... you know you can backport it yourself ? :D
[09:43] <mck182> I didn't
[09:43] <mck182> ...know
[09:43] <mck182> shadeslayer: tell me
[09:43] <shadeslayer> well ... install ubuntu-dev-tools
[09:44] <shadeslayer> and do you have a lp account?
[09:44] <mck182> probably
[09:44] <shadeslayer> and do you have gpg keys?
[09:45] <mck182> maybe
[09:48] <shadeslayer> well .. please upload your gpg keys to lp and sign the CoC with them :)
[09:48] <mck182> sounds like effort
[09:48] <mck182> I may just go and compile the tarball.. :D
[09:57] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[09:57] <shadeslayer> mck182: or, remind me this evening
[09:58] <mck182> I will bug you like crazy
[09:58] <shadeslayer> :)
[09:58] <mck182> ....if I remember.
[09:58] <shadeslayer> haha
[10:18] <shadeslayer> mck182: seeing how I just automated part of the backport process, packages will be landing in ppa:rohangarg/experimental
[10:18] <mck182> nice work!
[10:18] <shadeslayer> aye, I have a template script and I just define a list of package to backport :P
[10:19] <shadeslayer> mck182: http://paste.kde.org/550676/
[10:19] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[10:20] <shadeslayer> originally started for KDE telepathy, which is why the header is still the same
[10:20] <mck182> I like the second line
[10:20] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:25] <shadeslayer> mck182: build queues look fairly empty, so it should ideally build within the next half an hour
[10:26] <shadeslayer> amd64 is already building :)
[10:26] <mck182> shadeslayer: a-mazing
[10:27] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:27] <mck182> after the lady in the cafe asking "do you want a free coffee today?", you made my day again ^_^
[10:27] <shadeslayer> I never get free coffee's :(
[10:28] <mck182> you have to be a regular customer ^_-
[10:29] <mah454> nobody help me ?
[10:30] <mah454> I need set  keyboard shortcut for all users .
[10:30] <mah454> How can do this ?
[10:31]  * mck182 has no idea
[10:31] <mck182> I imagine there is some default shortcuts config
[10:32] <mck182> which is probably hardcoded
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:40] <Daskreech> hi BluesKaj
[13:40] <BluesKaj> hi Daskreech
[13:40] <Daskreech> HOw are you?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> I'm ok Daskreech , how about you ?
[13:53] <Daskreech> getting coca
[13:54] <Daskreech> Shuld be better after that
[14:32] <solar755> alguien sabe de iproute como configurar el balanceo para tolerancia a fallos?
[14:34] <solar755> o algun tutorial
[14:35] <hateball> !es
[14:35] <hateball> or whatever it may be
[14:36] <Daskreech> ha
[15:17] <yy_> 大家好
[15:19] <Daskreech> !cn
[15:23] <BluesKaj> BBL ..yardwork to do
[17:38] <graft> can someone explain to me what 'mark upgrades' means? i have no idea what this thing keeps telling me
[17:39] <DarthFrog> The utility has detected that upgrades are availble.  If you mark them and then apply, the upgrades will be downloaded and installed.
[17:39] <Daskreech> graft: Some of your packages have been upgraded. Ones that are already installed
[17:39] <Daskreech> In some cases those upgrades require new packages that have not yet been installed. Rather than adding new things on your computer yuo may not want it's asking if it should mark those new packages as an upgrade as well
[17:40] <graft> could be clearer
[17:40] <target> hi
[17:40] <lordievader> Hey target, how are you?
[17:40] <graft> thanks for the clarification
[17:41] <target> Hi lordievader, i'm god and you?
[17:41] <target> *good
[17:41] <target> but i'm having troubles installing myonboard sd card reader
[17:41] <lordievader> target: I'm doing good too :), do you have a problem?
[17:43] <target> I'm on a dell XPS M1330, clean new install but my sd card reader doesn't work
[17:43] <Daskreech> graft: Somewhat of a jargon thing. Anyone building a technical bit of software has certain words and phrases they use to make things clearer having an understanding of the breadth of things that work. Anyone not involved doesn't
[17:44] <Daskreech> after a while you forget which language is special and which isn't
[17:48] <target> anyone know how to install an on board sd card reader?
[17:48] <target> Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter
[18:02] <DarthFrog> graft: Does a tool-tip provide any help?
[18:03] <qnkel> hello
[18:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what graft and Daskreech wrote ... I tend to agree that it is not exactly straight forward
[18:03] <qnkel> is a german kubuntu irc chan avaible?
[18:03] <apachelogger> qnkel: #kubuntu-de
[18:03] <qnkel> thx
[18:04] <Daskreech> !de
[18:05] <Daskreech> hmm wonder if we can get a kubuntu exception to modify that /j command
[18:05] <apachelogger> Daskreech: hm?
[18:05] <apachelogger> ah
[18:05] <Daskreech> apachelogger: one of those things that I hope polish can be added. Is there an infrastructure that would allow not really bugs but user complaints/comments/observations ?
[18:06] <apachelogger> brainstorm :P
[18:07] <apachelogger> ultimately such things are to be discussed in a forum which is regularly roamed by a forum-dev-liaison, who would then throw big complaints at the devs and get them to fix them
[18:08] <Daskreech> Is that categorized by application? Or can a dev pull all cco's on their domain ?
[18:08] <apachelogger> (seeing as we have no such person a forum is just as big a sink hole as brainstorm though :P)
[18:10] <Daskreech> apachelogger: a queryable interface would be good though
[18:10] <Daskreech>  Sort of like bugzilla/LP but with more emphasis on free form writing than filling fields
[18:11] <apachelogger> Daskreech: doesn't work
[18:12] <Daskreech> Well we need better semantic search then :-p
[18:12] <apachelogger> nah
[18:12] <apachelogger> I mean the format does not work
[18:13] <Daskreech> Yes I know. That's why we need semantic searches on Bugzilla wishlists then
[18:13] <apachelogger> problem a) most devs do not search for anything b) free form information is vastly unparsable to developers
[18:14] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Yeah I know. It's aggregate info I was interested in
[18:14] <apachelogger> still needs parsing that a dev will not do
[18:14] <apachelogger> e.g. if someone writes 2k words on what is wrong with the web integration experience like 1 in 10 developers will read it
[18:14] <Daskreech> Which yeah implies an admin compiling stuff but having software somewhat auto tag things would be helpful/interesting
[18:14] <DarthFrog> apachelogger:  It just occurs to me that this might be an opportunity to ask for volunteers to do triage.
[18:15] <apachelogger> it's the kind of bug that remains a wishlist for ever and ever
[18:15] <graft> DarthFrog: there's a pop-up dialog that "explains" what is happening, it just uses very jargony language that is hard to figure out
[18:15] <DarthFrog> i.e folks who might like to contribute but can't program.
[18:15] <apachelogger> Daskreech: please send a proposal of what you have in mind to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com ;)
[18:16] <apachelogger> DarthFrog: you too
[18:16] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Yes but it would be cool if that would be a +1 to a cloud tag of webexperience
[18:16] <DarthFrog> graft: And that's the kind of thing that a user-friendly distro shouldn't do.
[18:16] <Daskreech> graft: feel free to try and do a better phrasing and submit it
[18:16] <apachelogger> Daskreech: actually, with autotagging ... not the simplest of things really
[18:16] <Daskreech> apachelogger: hence we need better semantic search
[18:17] <apachelogger> doesn't help ... free-form data is insanely hard to automatically process, and without processing you cannot do semantic search
[18:17] <apachelogger> that said.. what one can do is have users tag stuff, which you then can use semantically (or semi-semantically anyway)
[18:18] <apachelogger> I think KDE's brainstorm actually has an approach like that
[18:21] <Daskreech> Yes I would expect the user to tag the overall entry for muon or installer or partitioner etc
[18:22] <Daskreech> then the parser would pull out the most used words and sentences that contain words like problem or suggest/suggestion
[18:23] <Daskreech> sort of tag cloud the whole entry then start adding importance based on the overall tag clouds across the system
[18:23] <Daskreech>  so words like the would get dropped but experience would rise
[18:27] <Daskreech> apachelogger: pm me that email please
[18:38] <stuq> has anyone else had their amd catalyst driver stop working after a recent update?
[18:38] <kbroulik> the Kubuntu default settings are totally outdated and cause all sorts of weird problems.
[18:38] <stuq> seems like the nice kubuntu search for proprietary drivers tool is no longer there...
[18:38] <kbroulik> it is really time to update them people …
[18:44] <michealPW> Hrmm
[18:47] <michealPW> So, why would my screen resolution get reset after restart? :| Using Kubuntu 12.04.
[18:48] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:48] <shadeslayer> that sounds very odd
[18:48] <michealPW> Indeed!
[18:49] <shadeslayer> you could try using xrandr to set it and then reboot to check if it stays
[18:49] <michealPW> When I use the Display and Monitor utility I can't seem to successfully change the resolution/refresh rate. Almost everything I try results in an unresponsive black screen. Only thing that seems to work is xrandr.
[18:50] <michealPW> But, as I say, after each reboot it defaults back to the ridiculous 1440x1280@75 settings, which is way out of spec for this system (1024x768@60 is this monitor's native settings)
[18:51] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:51] <shadeslayer> does 1440x1280 show up in the KCM?
[18:51] <michealPW> Like, don't get me wrong.. It looks nice (rofl)
[18:51] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:51] <michealPW> But everything's really, really sluggish. It's way too much for this system heehee!
[18:51] <michealPW> Yea, the KCM shows 1440x1280 as the highest setting
[18:52] <shadeslayer> then I think KDE Defaults to the highest setting
[18:52] <michealPW> Ah, I see
[18:52] <michealPW> Interesting!
[18:53] <michealPW> I tried putting an couple xrandr calls in my /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup file but it doesn't seem to work :|
[18:53] <shadeslayer> which is odd since krandr should save it
[18:53] <michealPW> Not sure, maybe that's the wrong script to put it in?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> well .... you could make a autostart script maybe
[18:53] <michealPW> I'm using just xrandr utility from the command-line, not a KDE program
[18:53] <shadeslayer> michealPW: handedit : ~/.kde/share/config/krandrrc
[18:53] <michealPW> Ah, what's that? :|
[18:54] <shadeslayer> config file for krandr
[18:54] <michealPW> krandr, ehh? Hrmm
[18:54] <michealPW> I've been using just xrandr LOL
[18:54] <shadeslayer> michealPW: http://paste.kde.org/551066/
[18:54] <shadeslayer> is what I have
[18:54] <michealPW> Thx for the help mate ;)
[18:54] <shadeslayer> your groups will most likely vary
[18:55] <shadeslayer> so you'll need to change those, but that's the file that krandr uses
[18:55] <shadeslayer> and it looks like this is a issue in KDE and not in Kubuntu :)
[18:55] <michealPW> Oh bah, here it is!
[18:55] <michealPW> LOL: StartupCommands=xrandr --output VGA1 --pos 0x0 --mode 1440x900 --refresh 60.0702\nxrandr --output VGA1 --primary
[18:55] <michealPW> Fail :(
[18:56] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:56] <michealPW> Thank you LOl
[18:56] <shadeslayer> that's probably why :P
[18:56] <michealPW> What a silly resolution!
[18:56] <michealPW> LOl
[18:56] <shadeslayer> where was that though?
[18:56] <michealPW> In the file you told me to edit, krandrrc
[18:56] <shadeslayer> heh, I have 1440x900 and its just fine :P
[18:56] <shadeslayer> >.>
[18:56] <michealPW> I guess, but I don't have a video card :|
[18:56] <michealPW> It's putting my little intel IGP in a headlock
[18:57] <shadeslayer> again, running that on a intel card :P
[18:57] <michealPW> Which?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[18:57] <michealPW> Show off
[18:57] <shadeslayer> wot
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ofcourse, I have my discrete card disabled
[18:57] <shadeslayer> turning that one would have been show off :P
[18:57] <michealPW> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[18:57] <michealPW> (blush)
[18:58] <michealPW> So, I wasn't aware of any krandr at all LOL. brb, let me read what I can find
[18:58] <shadeslayer> michealPW: question, did you upgrade this machine?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> or fresh install
[18:59] <michealPW> Fresh install
[18:59] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:59] <shadeslayer> I would recommend completely removing the config file
[19:00] <michealPW> Can I use something like xrandr to generate a new one entirely? This syntax looks funky
[19:00] <michealPW> LOL
[19:00] <shadeslayer> michealPW: just remove it
[19:00] <shadeslayer> and use the kcm module to write it
[19:00] <michealPW> I haven't had any luck with that kcm module, Display and Monitors
[19:00] <shadeslayer> ok
[19:00] <shadeslayer> you can try krandrtray
[19:00] <michealPW> It always throws my X into a blackhole LOL
[19:01] <michealPW> Should I make an xorg.conf?
[19:01] <michealPW> Would that solve the problem, maybe?
[19:01] <michealPW> Or should I stick with this krandrrc thing?
[19:01] <shadeslayer> nah
[19:02] <shadeslayer> just stick to krandrrc
[19:02] <michealPW> Righto, thx
[19:02] <michealPW> brb in 'bout 20 minutes
[19:02] <shadeslayer> no point in messing with X
[19:02] <michealPW> Going to do some reading
[19:02] <shadeslayer> k
[19:02] <michealPW> X is a spitting camel :(
[19:02] <shadeslayer> feel free to highlight me
[19:02] <shadeslayer> not looking at IRC all the time
[19:02] <michealPW> Thx ;)
[19:50] <carter_> once i download something off the internet how do i open it?
[19:51] <lordievader> carter_: Depends on what you download. Can you give an example?
[19:53] <carter_> a music making software lmms-0.4.13.tar.bz2
[19:54] <lordievader> carter_: Well first you need to extract it.
[19:54] <DarthFrog> carter_:  bz2 indicates the file was compressed by bzip2.  tar indicates that a collection of files (a directory, perhaps) was combined into a single file (a tarball) by the tar (tape archive) utility.
[19:54] <DarthFrog> So you would use this command:  tar jxvf <filename>
[19:55] <michealPW> Or use Arc? LOL
[19:55] <carter_> alright i extracted it now what?
[19:55] <DarthFrog> Or use a graphic utilty, sure.   Sure, take the easy way out. :-)
[19:55] <michealPW> LOL
[19:55] <lordievader> DarthFrog: What does the -j do for tar?
[19:56] <DarthFrog> lordievader:  Uncompresses a bz2 file.
[19:56] <lordievader> DarthFrog: Ah, ok. Thank you :)
[19:56] <SIR_Taco> michealPW: I look at the bits and uncompress them in my mind : P
[19:56] <michealPW> LOL
[19:56] <michealPW> I just use Arc (blush)
[19:56] <carter_> alright i extracted it now what?
[19:57] <michealPW> So much easier to right-click and click Extract, let Arc figure it all out for me :P
[19:57]  * DarthFrog notes that SIR_Taco has a vast mind, with lots of empty space for uncompression.  <grinning, ducking and running>
[19:57] <michealPW> I can never remember the switches for utilities like tar hehe
[19:57] <oneadvent> any idea how to make my system volume control the volume in amarok? I tried settings and multimedia and both of my options act the same
[19:57] <SIR_Taco> DarthFrog: haha :P Kind of like Marvin from the guide to the galaxy ; )
[19:57] <DarthFrog> :-)
[19:58] <lordievader> carter_: It depends on what kind of files were inside the archive.
[19:58] <carter_> well what should i do to find out or what should i do?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> michealPW, , carter_ unp is your friend ,m it extracts just about any compressed file around
[19:58] <michealPW> "Why is it named Quassel? - quasseln" is a familiar German expression for "talking".
[19:58] <michealPW> Oh how ridiculous! LOL
[19:59] <LostMonk> question...I have 12.10 installed, but am trying to get a deb for 12.04 from a repo
[19:59] <LostMonk> it keeps trying to get the package list for quantel
[19:59] <BluesKaj> lost not a good practice
[19:59] <carter_> blueskaj i dont know what anything u said means i already extracted it idk what to do now though
[19:59] <BluesKaj> LostMonk,^
[19:59] <lordievader> carter_: Could you do an "ls" command on the directory and give us that output?
[20:00] <lordievader> !paste| carter_
[20:00] <michealPW> carter: cd to the directory you extracted it to and use ls to list directory contents.
[20:00] <carter_> i dont know what a "ls" command is im new at this
[20:00] <lordievader> carter_: Ah I see, do you know how to open a terminal?
[20:00] <michealPW> I'll teach you what ls is if you make my xorg.conf for me
[20:00] <michealPW> Deal? :)
[20:00] <LostMonk> BluesKaj: there is not packaged for 12.10 for this yet
[20:00] <carter_> yea
[20:00] <LostMonk> so, gotta give it a shot
[20:01] <lordievader> carter_: To whom was that?
[20:01] <DarthFrog> lordievader:  Actually, more correctly, the "j" switch to tar indicates the use of the bzip2 utility to both compress and uncompress tarballs, depending on whether the tarball is being created ("c" switch) or extracted ("x" switch).
[20:01] <carter_> i know how to open a terminal yes
[20:01] <BluesKaj> LostMonk, for what package ?
[20:02] <lordievader> DarthFrog: Thank you, I looked at the man page, but it wasn't very clear. Thank you for the explanation :)
[20:02] <lordievader> carter_: Ok good, do you know how to change to the directory containing the folder you have just extracted?
[20:02] <carter_> no i dont know how to do that
[20:03] <LostMonk> BluesKaj: Tv Maxe
[20:03] <LostMonk> need a sopcast player
[20:03] <michealPW> LOL lordievader. See?! Use Arc! :)
[20:04] <DarthFrog> carter_: lmms is available from the official repos.  You don't have to install it by hand.
[20:04] <lordievader> carter_: Ok, not to worry. To do this you need the "cd" command (change directory). I assume that you are in /home/<your-username> and that the extracted folder is in Downloads, to change to Downloads simply type: cd Downloads
[20:04] <lordievader> michealPW: I wanted an ls, not an extration.
[20:05] <carter_> so in terminal i need to type/home/coleman/cd download/lmms-0.4.13.tar.bz2
[20:05] <lordievader> carter_: It is indeed a good idea to follow DarthFrog's advice, however it is usefull to know your way around in the terminal.
[20:06] <carter_> alright but is what i typed in what i should type in the terminal?
[20:07] <carter_> i just wish linux was simpler
[20:07] <michealPW> Oh right, lord. It was DarthFrog I was poking fun at with arc. With arc, you wouldn't need to be cd'ing or ls'ing anywhere (giggle)
[20:08] <michealPW> Although, knowing these command-line utilities are a good thing carter_
[20:08] <lordievader> carter_: No. The command is "cd Downloads", this is using the relative path, this command would do the same "cd /home/coleman/Downloads", that is using the absolute path.
[20:09] <lordievader> michealPW: Could you use my full nick, makes your message highlight.
[20:09] <DarthFrog> carter_: Kubuntu is fairly easy to use, once you learn your way around.  You don't need to use the command line.  Really, you don't.  Though many of us prefer to do so.
[20:09] <michealPW> Oh sorry, no prob lordievader :)
[20:09] <lordievader> michealPW: ./Downloads and Download is for the ls command the same.
[20:09] <DarthFrog> carter_:  If you want to install lmms, use muon, it's the graphical package manager and will install the official version for Kubuntu.
[20:09] <BluesKaj> LostMonk, http://www.sopcast.com/download/linux.html
[20:10] <lordievader> carter_: Linux is about as difficult as Windows, it's just what you learn to use and what you are used to.
[20:10] <DarthFrog> carter_: No, what you typed won't work in the terminal.
[20:10] <lordievader> carter_: This is however just an opinion.
[20:10] <michealPW> I find them all annoying and confusing. Windows, Linux, UNIX, Macs etc. They've all got their own problems
[20:10] <carter_> what is lmms?
[20:11] <DarthFrog> carter_: Isn't that what you're trying to install?  Linux Multi-Media Studio?
[20:11] <LostMonk> BluesKaj: I was trying to avoid compliling
[20:11] <LostMonk> :P
[20:11] <carter_> yea your right srry then whats muon
[20:11] <michealPW> LostMonk: Compiling is your friend! :)
[20:12] <LostMonk> im lazy today
[20:12] <LostMonk> LOL
[20:12] <DarthFrog> carter_: In the K Menu/System/ Muon Package Manager.  Use it to Add/Remove Programs. :-)
[20:12] <LostMonk> i just know im gonna run into crazy dependencies
[20:13] <lordievader> michealPW: Meh, that is the great thing about ubuntu/debian, lots of packages. If you like compiling try Arch.
[20:13] <BluesKaj> LostMonk, well , time to get your feet wet :)
[20:13] <carter_> i see synaptic package manager is that the same?
[20:13] <michealPW> haha lordievader. Touche. Or Gentoo! :)
[20:13] <DarthFrog> carter_: Near enough.  You can use Synaptic instead.
[20:14] <michealPW> I'm lazy and my wife hates the more "radical" distros so I stick to the friendly/familiar Ubuntu (Although lately it's been taking a turn for the unfamiliar...)
[20:14] <DarthFrog> Is Muon not installed by default?
[20:14] <DarthFrog> In 12.04?
[20:14] <michealPW> Yes, Darth, it is.
[20:14] <michealPW> LOL carter are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu? (giggles)
[20:15] <carter_> now what do i do in package manager
[20:15] <DarthFrog> carter_:  Use the search function to search for lmms.
[20:15] <michealPW> carter_: Click on anything random in the list of packages and then start typing "lmms" to do a search
[20:16] <michealPW> It will find the lmms package. Highlight it and set it for Install then apply your changes.
[20:17] <michealPW> "Note for 11.10 release and above: Synaptic is no longer installed by default in Ubuntu 11.10, however it is still useful in some situations." omg what is what that?
[20:17] <michealPW> Why do the packages CONSTANTLY change for no reason other than "just because" ? LOL
[20:17] <michealPW> *shakes head*
[20:18] <lordievader> michealPW: Ubuntu moved to the "Software Center"...
[20:19] <michealPW> You know.... A lot of people who I've helped switch to Ubuntu moved away from Windows BECAUSE Microsoft kept forcing random changes just for the fun of it...
[20:19] <michealPW> *giggles* just saying, that's all...
[20:19] <michealPW> Really, is the "Software Center" better than Synaptics? :|
[20:19] <lordievader> michealPW: That is, ofcourse, personal.
[20:21] <lordievader> carter_: A good resource on learning the command line: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2015424
[20:28] <BluesKaj> LostMonk,if you decide to compile , make sure you have gettext installed
[20:34] <michealPW> Ah, I get it shadeslayer. So .krandrrc is the configuration file for KRandRTray, then? Is this also how the "Display and Monitors" KCM saves configuration?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> afaictl yes
[20:34] <michealPW> Ah, I see
[20:35] <michealPW> So somewhere along the lines I've saved that resolution as the default, which caused that file to be generated?
[20:35] <shadeslayer> somewhere along the line KRandr thought it would be a good idea to start executing randomn commands
[20:36] <shadeslayer> which is why it had : StartupCommands=xrandr --output VGA1 --pos 0x0 --mode 1440x900 --refresh 60.0702\nxrandr --output VGA1 --primary
[20:37] <michealPW> LOL
[20:39] <mausschubser> good evening
[20:39] <shadeslayer> michealPW: what happens if you nuke krandrc and configure the display from system settings
[20:40] <shadeslayer> does it work?
[20:40] <shadeslayer> because it looks like you've hit https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183143
[20:40] <michealPW> Well, I haven't tried 'cause I'm just getting everything closed first. Normally I have horrible results with the Display from System Settings
[20:40] <mausschubser> I recently upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 and now can't print any more
[20:40] <monkeyjuice> mausschubser:  reinstall printer?
[20:41] <michealPW> I set it to a resolution/rate I know my monitor and do and then when I click apply the screen goes block and doesn't come back LOL so I turn off the computer :|
[20:41] <mausschubser> monkeyjuice: hmm, ok. I'll try
[20:41] <michealPW> And try again. Everything I try seems to do that in Display from System Settings. Using xrandr from the command-line works fine, though.
[20:41] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[20:42] <shadeslayer> what about krandrtray?
[20:42] <michealPW> I've had success with that once but then not the second time (rofl) Iunno let me try that again
[20:43] <michealPW> Yes, that bug you linked sounds like my problem exactly. I've found a lot of people with my problem and a lot of them have fixed it using /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup but that only worked once for me (Weird, no?!)
[20:44] <michealPW> Literally, I set the xrandr command in .../Xsetup and rebooted, was fine. Resolution I set was applied. Then restarted a 3rd time and it went back to the silly 1440 LOL!
[20:44] <shadeslayer> michealPW: and which KDE SC version do you have?
[20:44] <michealPW> Crazyness
[20:44] <michealPW> Let me check
[20:45] <michealPW> "System Settings v1.0 using KDE Dev. Platform v4.8.4"
[20:45] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:45] <shadeslayer> I'd recommend getting 4.9 though
[20:45] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:45] <michealPW> Iunno, I just installed KUbuntu 12.04 and this is what it gave me (giggles)
[20:45] <shadeslayer> "I still have this issue under Kubuntu 12.04 with KDE 4.9."
[20:45] <michealPW> Ah, bad news.
[20:45] <shadeslayer> commend number 114
[20:46] <mausschubser> monkeyjuice: incredible! that solved my problem
[20:46] <mausschubser> thank you very much
[20:46] <monkeyjuice> great ;)
[20:47] <mausschubser> I run KDE 4.9.1. For me it seems to run slower than kde 4.8
[20:47] <michealPW> .1's a bad number (giggles)
[20:47] <shadeslayer> mausschubser: define slower
[20:48] <mausschubser> hmm
[20:48] <michealPW> Iunno if KDE version codes are the same, but typically an odd version number in the last block signifies an initial release of something new
[20:48] <mausschubser> well, everything seems to take a tiny bit longer
[20:48] <michealPW> Then an even number incrimental increase will have bugfixes for that initial feature release
[20:48] <michealPW> Etc
[20:49] <mausschubser> but my numbercruncher isn't the latest...
[20:49] <michealPW> So for example 4.8.1 may have introduced a new feature, like new KCM modules. Then 4.8.2 may have fixed bugs that were in those new KCM modules
[20:49] <michealPW> So on and so forth. That's how a lot of open-source versions work ;)
[20:50] <shadeslayer> actually
[20:50] <shadeslayer> 4.8 will introduce ne features
[20:50] <shadeslayer> *new
[20:50] <shadeslayer> and 4.8.1 will be the bug fix release
[20:50] <shadeslayer> and then 4.9.0 will introduce new features
[20:50] <shadeslayer> and so on and so forth
[20:50] <michealPW> Ah
[20:51] <shadeslayer> and usually Kubuntu ships all updates for the 4.x series in a realease
[20:51] <shadeslayer> *release
[20:52] <shadeslayer> so officially, Kubuntu 12.04 will support the latest 4.8.x release
[20:52] <shadeslayer> Quantal will support the 4.9.x series
[20:52] <mausschubser> ok, thanks for the help guys
[20:52] <mausschubser> good night
[20:53] <shadeslayer> then again, we do backport packages from Quantal to Precise
[20:53] <shadeslayer> night mausschubser
[20:53] <shadeslayer> but those only go in the Kubuntu Backport PPA
[20:53]  * shadeslayer had a nice flowgraph for this 
[20:53] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs
[21:00] <michealPW> Lemme do some more fiddling brb
[21:00] <przemek> that new kde 4.9.1 is little bit buggy when i connect usb pendrive ,and i've open in dolphin
[21:01] <przemek> its crash bug
[21:06] <michealpw> LOL omg I figured it out!
[21:07] <michealpw> So, I used xrandr from Konsole to set the resolution I wanted.. Then when I open Display in System Settings it showed all my settings... Then I just clicked "Save as default" and  it generated a new .krandrrc with the resolution I chose with xrandr (giggle)
[21:08] <michealpw> Kinda of clumsy workaround but meh, it's worked through at least 1 restart so far :D
[21:27] <skrite> hey all
[21:45] <ickefes> hi guys. i use x11vnc in 12.04 with firewall set to open port 5900. I can connect locally to my VNC server but not from my Android phone using external ip over 3G. It works when I have Krfb installed but not with x11vnc. Anyone have any idea why it's like this? Regards.
[21:45] <ickefes> i have set x11vnc to work on port 5900
[21:48] <ickefes> i tried my other computer which is in the local network and it could not connect neither.
[21:50] <ickefes> anyone that could help me, please?
[21:59] <ickefes> i wonder why no one shines in and give me some help. is it because it is not kubuntu specifically?
[22:32] <cynical> what's the issue?
[22:52] <michealpw> ickefes: Honestly, Iunno the answer to your question ;)
[23:44] <michealpw> Bingo!
[23:44] <michealpw> Problem solved completely by generating a xorg.conf and editing it (Added some modelines using gtf)
[23:44] <michealpw> Now,  no more resolution gimicks hehe
[23:45] <LostMonk> whats the key combo to open the desktop search box?
[23:46] <michealpw> There's a desktop search? :|
[23:46] <michealpw> LOL!
[23:47] <alco_> salve
[23:48] <michealpw> LOL I just added a "Find" widget on my desktop but it seems completely useless :|
[23:48] <michealpw> I type things in it but cannot submit it, LOL.
[23:50] <michealpw> God
[23:50] <michealpw> Now after all that, I get it down to 1024x768 and it seems so small (rofl)
[23:58] <michealpw> Anyone know if I can get the Display in System Settings to only show the modes I set in xorg.conf?
[23:59] <michealpw> It's listing a big list of unsupported modes. I want it easy for my wife to change her resolution if she wants..