=== ubuntu is now known as Guest77107 [01:19] hi folks. got kubuntu 12.04 oon a laptop. it's not mine, but my roommate's. Anyway he said that it was running just fine on friday. yesterday he booted up and it won't see that he has a wifi card. it's on. as a matter of fact i'm on the machine now via a live disc and it loaded the wifi card just fine. so i guess there's some process locking the card and not sure how to release it so it can be used./ === pjoe_afk is now known as pjoe [01:26] Guest77107: I recommand you supply more details, you need to be more specific about "won't see that he has a wifi card.". other then that, I've had issues with network not working after a failed suspend/hibernate, though I think it's been fixed, and you might want to have a look at the state of RFKill [01:27] avihay: looking at it, the file is empty [01:28] what file? [01:28] avihay: sorry i'm not being clear here. the saved=state file in rfkill [01:29] avihay: the network manager has the wireless tab greyed out. the only option it has is wired or vpn or dsl. [01:29] I'd like to run a Bash script each time immediately after logging in, How do I do this please? [01:29] I want this to run automatically. === Guest77107 is now known as calcmandan [01:31] calcmandan: can you run rfkill list on the laptop while the problematic os is on? [01:31] avihay: sure i'll do that, and record what it says and come back. problem is that i'm on the problematic laptop so i'll be back in a few mintues. [01:32] do you have wire lan? [01:32] avihay: i could. that would be a good idea. i think i'll do that. [01:33] andrewx: system settings->Startup and shutdown->autostart [01:33] the add script shold do and it lets you choose when to run it [01:34] add script button* [01:35] I don't see any such thing... [01:35] where is that, exactly? [01:36] system settings [01:36] advanced settings, autostart <--- same thing? [01:36] your verion of kubuntu is likely newer than this [01:36] Okay, I see. [01:36] ya, the advanced tab dissapeard over two years ago, are you on debian stable? [01:37] disappeared [01:37] I can't use 12.04, I seem to have trouble with it for some reason. [01:37] avihay: rfkill list? [01:37] ya [01:37] I use 10.x, earliest 11.x, since it works so much better [01:37] avihay: lists nothing [01:38] if you are using pastebing, you might as well attach lspci, lsusb and ifconfig === calcmandan_ is now known as calcmandan [01:40] andrewx: well, KDE has improved alot. you might wanna consider upgrading it independently, though you'd most likely need to recompile from source [01:40] I'll stuck with 11.x, thanks. === pjoe is now known as pjoe_dj [01:45] calcmandan: [04:38:16] if you are using pastebing, you might as well attach lspci, lsusb and ifconfig [01:45] didn't notice you disconnected [01:45] pastebin [01:47] avihay: paste.kde.org/550232 [01:47] avihay: paste.kde.org/550238 [01:48] avihay: paste.kde.org/550244 [01:48] MSI laptop btw? [01:49] avihay: toshiba satellite [01:49] well, there's no entry for the wlan interface in ifconfig [01:50] yeah [01:50] don't konw what he did. [01:50] if it was my machine, i'd have an idea what i did to make it happen/ but i'm sick of hearing the nags. [01:50] he's been borrowing my laptop [01:53] do you get the same output as lsmod |grep ath as here? http://askubuntu.com/questions/95875/how-do-i-make-my-atheros-ar9285-wireless-adapter-work [01:53] avihay: if i boot that laptop on a live disc, should i copy the contents on the live ifconfig into the installed os's calcmandan: yes, also, can you send lsmod from both systems? I don't know what driver you need [01:56] avihay: i can. [01:56] avihay: lsmod shows no result [01:56] uhh [01:56] sudo lsmod? [01:56] avihay: yeah [01:56] and also without the sudo? [01:56] avihay: i did both [01:57] avihay: i did without sudo first like a dummy [01:57] try /sbin/lsmod [01:57] I don't need sudo [01:57] avihay: already rebooting [01:58] I just saw someone use it, so I thought maybe it's a permission thing [02:02] avihay: paste.kde.org/550268 from live boot [02:02] and the lsmod? [02:03] or if lsmod fails, can you go to the network manager, pick the wireless card and tell me what driver it uses? [02:04] avihay: paste.kde.org/550274 [02:04] actually, do the networkmanager thing too, saves me time [02:05] ok, so the livecd uses the ath5k driver and it seems to work fine [02:05] knetworkmanger says the same thing? [02:06] it's not a known command. [02:06] in the system trey [02:06] the network manager gui === pjoe_dj is now known as pjoe_afk [02:07] ath5k [02:07] sorry had to look for it [02:08] ok, I guess the next step is to look for it on the installed system [02:09] switchover and try to give me the output of /sbin/lsmod [02:10] mkay [02:11] if the output is empty, try to run "which lsmod" (without the '"''s) [02:11] k [02:11] oh, without the | grep stuff [02:12] bathroom break [02:12] still no output, after which, /sbin/lsmod [02:15] avihay: paste.kde.org/550316 just lsmod by itself === pjoe_afk is now known as pjoe === pjoe is now known as pjoe_dj [02:22] umm, wow, that's a short lsmod output [02:23] I'm guessing the driver on the wired lan is r8169, can you confirm that with knetworkmanager? [02:24] confiurmed [02:24] confirme [02:24] d [02:24] also, clearly the module for your wireless card doesn't load [02:25] I'm gonna assume it's ath5k, since it works well with the live [02:25] not sure why. he said he didn't do anything out of the ordinary. and he won't run updates until i review them [02:25] yeah [02:27] it's probably blacklisted, I guess [02:27] we can take it out of the blacklist or load it manually [02:27] i'm open either way. [02:28] let's try sudo modprobe ath5k [02:28] no output [02:29] then lsmod with the grep, and compare to the paste from the live [02:29] lsmod |grep ath? [02:30] ya [02:30] avihay: paste.kde.org/550370 [02:31] confirm that you can connect to a wireless network now [02:31] avihay: still booting on live [02:31] stop the live boot [02:32] alright, rebooting [02:32] we had the output from 10 min ago to compare against [02:32] yeah [02:32] brb, going to grab my plate. [02:32] roommate's my bitch tonight so he made my dinner [02:32] you'd need to modprobe again [02:38] avihay: no output for modprobe [02:38] Guest77107: About the wireless card, most likely the driver for it isn't being loaded. I would run lsmod during the livecd to see what modules are running and compare that with his actual install [02:38] that means nothing went wrong, usually [02:39] cynicist: too late [02:39] cynist i'm guest 77107 [02:39] calcmandan: try connecting to a wireless network [02:39] well what do you know? it's working now! [02:39] how the [02:40] well, the driver doesn't load by itself [02:40] it's either a detection problem, or driver being blacklisted [02:40] it connected to my oruter. [02:40] most likely the latter [02:40] did we do something to load the card? [02:41] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132608 this guy had that problem because he tried to use a different driver and the driver installer did the blacklisting for him [02:42] modeprob loads modules (drivers are one sort of module) into the running kernel [02:42] modprobe* [02:42] well, whatever we did i wish yhhou were in this room with me cause i'd kiss you right on the lips. tongue, no tongue your choice. [02:42] lol [02:42] we ain't over yet [02:43] oh? [02:43] I would run 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist' and see if ath5k is in there [02:43] ok [02:43] you don't want to modprobe every time you boot hehe [02:43] what he said [02:43] and what he said again [02:44] seems strange to me though, why it would be blacklisted [02:44] no such file [02:44] hmm [02:44] I would definitely reboot then and see if it automatically works now [02:44] if not you have more work to do, if it does then you're good :) [02:45] blacklist.conf? [02:45] probably [02:45] oh oops, yes [02:45] i opened it in kate and it's not in there. [02:46] try /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ath_pci.conf [02:47] heck, try all the files there [02:48] oh interesting, if you need blacklist-ath_pci.conf, apparently there is the potential for conflict for some atheros 5k chips [02:48] so they say to use jockey to pick one driver or the other [02:48] i had to run modprobe again for it to see the card. blacklist-ath_pci has ath_pci blacklisted [02:49] humm, I didn't see anything that looked like a wifi driver in lsmod [02:49] I would run jockey/additional drivers and see if atheros is mentioned there [02:50] jocky-kde from the terminal [02:50] yeah or ALT+F2 and type in jockey or additional drivers [02:51] it's searching [02:51] nada [02:51] jockey-kde [02:52] you might need to install the appropriate package [02:54] jockey loads, just doesn't see proprietary drivers. [02:54] you could try commenting out the blacklist [02:54] i did. rebooting now [02:54] hope it loads the right driver :s [02:55] it's still not loading the card. [02:55] try changing it [02:55] to blacklist madwifi [02:55] instead of blacklist ath_pci [02:56] ok [02:56] rebooting [02:57] going for another round of dinner, brb === pjoe_dj is now known as pjoe_afk [03:02] card's still not detected [03:02] calcmandan: actually if ath5k is working out for you just fine and it's not loading automatically you can just add it to /etc/modules [03:02] calcmandan: and just run sudo update-initramfs -u afterwards [03:02] and keep ath_pci blacklisted [03:03] I just realized it doesn't really matter if its autodetected or not as long as you can load it and wifi works :P [03:03] it's generating [03:07] there we go, it loaded. [03:07] and wifi works? [03:08] yeah. i had to delete the profile for the wifi card and readd it. [03:08] awesome [03:08] but it works. [03:09] i blow a kiss in your general direction/. [03:09] :) === pjoe_afk is now known as pjoe === cyn is now known as toph === toph is now known as cynical === pjoe is now known as pjoe_dj === kubuntu is now known as Guest43219 === toni_ is now known as Guest47296 [06:15] Hey. How can I get 12.04 to recognize my external monitor? Connected by hdmi. Nvidia graphics. [06:15] open synaptics or the software center and install the nvidia hdmi thingy? [06:16] synaptic* [06:19] doyle: You need to use nvidia-settings, assuming you use the proprietary driver [06:22] Thank you. Much better. === pjoe_dj is now known as pjoe_afk [06:42] Good morning [06:55] Morning .. [06:56] Hey Smurphy, how are you? [06:56] Tired ... Week End too short :} [06:56] as usual === doyle is now known as Doyle [07:41] * iahmad test [07:41] fail! [07:41] * Daskreech checks notes [07:42] dang it wrong answer sheet [07:42] PAss! === ggvaberi is now known as none_13 [07:43] hi guys.... [07:44] can u tell me, room for arp disscussion? [08:08] none_13: arp ? ##networking ? === ubuntu is now known as Guest49531 [09:16] hi I'm trying to boot kubuntu-active beta1 on my tablet, but it only starts with a black screen [09:16] its a atom cpu [09:16] with a gma600 [09:20] is there a bootopton I could use [09:22] is that a n200 atom? [09:22] or a very old Atom Z series? [09:23] Z670 [09:24] the screen worked with 12.04 [09:25] it s a http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-st/pd and the last time I even got the wireless working [09:25] but this time the screen wents black directly after booting [09:25] how much time did you allow? firstboot takes a lil while and that aint a camero [09:26] quite some time, and strg+alt+f1 didnt show anything [09:26] my friend uses a kubuntu laptop that runs from USB and it just sits at a blank screen for a few minutes b4 booting directly to desktop [09:26] hw to get a verbose boot === pjoe_afk is now known as pjoe [09:27] remove quiet and splash in grub? [09:28] hm worked for a few seconds I got some output and then the screen went black again === pjoe is now known as pjoe_afk [09:35] theonering; have patience; it could take that atom a half hour to boot [09:36] wont take so long next time [09:36] it didnt when I tried it the last time [09:36] and Im starting with unetbootin from the harddisk, because I'll need a keyboard and the thing has only one usb port [09:38] Hello [09:38] How can set keyboard shortcut for all users ? [09:42] shadeslayer: pings [09:42] pongs [09:43] shadeslayer: is the kdevelop 4.4rc somewhere available for precise? [09:43] oh derp, I completely forgot about that ... you know you can backport it yourself ? :D [09:43] I didn't [09:43] ...know [09:43] shadeslayer: tell me [09:43] well ... install ubuntu-dev-tools [09:44] and do you have a lp account? [09:44] probably [09:44] and do you have gpg keys? [09:45] maybe [09:48] well .. please upload your gpg keys to lp and sign the CoC with them :) [09:48] sounds like effort [09:48] I may just go and compile the tarball.. :D [09:57] haha :D [09:57] mck182: or, remind me this evening [09:58] I will bug you like crazy [09:58] :) [09:58] ....if I remember. [09:58] haha [10:18] mck182: seeing how I just automated part of the backport process, packages will be landing in ppa:rohangarg/experimental [10:18] nice work! [10:18] aye, I have a template script and I just define a list of package to backport :P [10:19] mck182: http://paste.kde.org/550676/ [10:19] ^_^ [10:20] originally started for KDE telepathy, which is why the header is still the same [10:20] I like the second line [10:20] :P [10:25] mck182: build queues look fairly empty, so it should ideally build within the next half an hour [10:26] amd64 is already building :) [10:26] shadeslayer: a-mazing [10:27] :) [10:27] after the lady in the cafe asking "do you want a free coffee today?", you made my day again ^_^ [10:27] I never get free coffee's :( [10:28] you have to be a regular customer ^_- [10:29] nobody help me ? [10:30] I need set keyboard shortcut for all users . [10:30] How can do this ? [10:31] * mck182 has no idea [10:31] I imagine there is some default shortcuts config [10:32] which is probably hardcoded [12:23] Hey all === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 [13:40] hi BluesKaj [13:40] hi Daskreech [13:40] HOw are you? === james is now known as Guest23479 === paolo is now known as faLUCE [13:53] I'm ok Daskreech , how about you ? [13:53] getting coca [13:54] Shuld be better after that === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [14:32] alguien sabe de iproute como configurar el balanceo para tolerancia a fallos? [14:34] o algun tutorial [14:35] !es [14:35] En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. [14:35] or whatever it may be [14:36] ha [15:17] 大家好 [15:19] !cn [15:19] 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw [15:23] BBL ..yardwork to do === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 === cmagina is now known as cmagina_away === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [17:38] can someone explain to me what 'mark upgrades' means? i have no idea what this thing keeps telling me [17:39] The utility has detected that upgrades are availble. If you mark them and then apply, the upgrades will be downloaded and installed. [17:39] graft: Some of your packages have been upgraded. Ones that are already installed [17:39] In some cases those upgrades require new packages that have not yet been installed. Rather than adding new things on your computer yuo may not want it's asking if it should mark those new packages as an upgrade as well [17:40] could be clearer [17:40] hi [17:40] Hey target, how are you? [17:40] thanks for the clarification [17:41] Hi lordievader, i'm god and you? [17:41] *good [17:41] but i'm having troubles installing myonboard sd card reader [17:41] target: I'm doing good too :), do you have a problem? [17:43] I'm on a dell XPS M1330, clean new install but my sd card reader doesn't work [17:43] graft: Somewhat of a jargon thing. Anyone building a technical bit of software has certain words and phrases they use to make things clearer having an understanding of the breadth of things that work. Anyone not involved doesn't [17:44] after a while you forget which language is special and which isn't [17:48] anyone know how to install an on board sd card reader? [17:48] Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter [18:02] graft: Does a tool-tip provide any help? [18:03] hello [18:03] JontheEchidna: what graft and Daskreech wrote ... I tend to agree that it is not exactly straight forward [18:03] is a german kubuntu irc chan avaible? [18:03] qnkel: #kubuntu-de [18:03] thx [18:04] !de [18:04] In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [18:05] hmm wonder if we can get a kubuntu exception to modify that /j command [18:05] Daskreech: hm? [18:05] ah [18:05] apachelogger: one of those things that I hope polish can be added. Is there an infrastructure that would allow not really bugs but user complaints/comments/observations ? [18:06] brainstorm :P [18:07] ultimately such things are to be discussed in a forum which is regularly roamed by a forum-dev-liaison, who would then throw big complaints at the devs and get them to fix them [18:08] Is that categorized by application? Or can a dev pull all cco's on their domain ? [18:08] (seeing as we have no such person a forum is just as big a sink hole as brainstorm though :P) [18:10] apachelogger: a queryable interface would be good though [18:10] Sort of like bugzilla/LP but with more emphasis on free form writing than filling fields [18:11] Daskreech: doesn't work [18:12] Well we need better semantic search then :-p [18:12] nah [18:12] I mean the format does not work [18:13] Yes I know. That's why we need semantic searches on Bugzilla wishlists then [18:13] problem a) most devs do not search for anything b) free form information is vastly unparsable to developers === michael is now known as Guest47947 [18:14] apachelogger: Yeah I know. It's aggregate info I was interested in [18:14] still needs parsing that a dev will not do [18:14] e.g. if someone writes 2k words on what is wrong with the web integration experience like 1 in 10 developers will read it [18:14] Which yeah implies an admin compiling stuff but having software somewhat auto tag things would be helpful/interesting [18:14] apachelogger: It just occurs to me that this might be an opportunity to ask for volunteers to do triage. [18:15] it's the kind of bug that remains a wishlist for ever and ever [18:15] DarthFrog: there's a pop-up dialog that "explains" what is happening, it just uses very jargony language that is hard to figure out [18:15] i.e folks who might like to contribute but can't program. [18:15] Daskreech: please send a proposal of what you have in mind to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com ;) [18:16] DarthFrog: you too [18:16] apachelogger: Yes but it would be cool if that would be a +1 to a cloud tag of webexperience [18:16] graft: And that's the kind of thing that a user-friendly distro shouldn't do. [18:16] graft: feel free to try and do a better phrasing and submit it [18:16] Daskreech: actually, with autotagging ... not the simplest of things really [18:16] apachelogger: hence we need better semantic search [18:17] doesn't help ... free-form data is insanely hard to automatically process, and without processing you cannot do semantic search [18:17] that said.. what one can do is have users tag stuff, which you then can use semantically (or semi-semantically anyway) [18:18] I think KDE's brainstorm actually has an approach like that [18:21] Yes I would expect the user to tag the overall entry for muon or installer or partitioner etc [18:22] then the parser would pull out the most used words and sentences that contain words like problem or suggest/suggestion [18:23] sort of tag cloud the whole entry then start adding importance based on the overall tag clouds across the system [18:23] so words like the would get dropped but experience would rise [18:27] apachelogger: pm me that email please === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [18:38] has anyone else had their amd catalyst driver stop working after a recent update? [18:38] the Kubuntu default settings are totally outdated and cause all sorts of weird problems. [18:38] seems like the nice kubuntu search for proprietary drivers tool is no longer there... [18:38] it is really time to update them people … === christopher is now known as Guest74583 === michealpw_ is now known as michealPW [18:44] Hrmm [18:47] So, why would my screen resolution get reset after restart? :| Using Kubuntu 12.04. [18:48] hm [18:48] that sounds very odd [18:48] Indeed! [18:49] you could try using xrandr to set it and then reboot to check if it stays [18:49] When I use the Display and Monitor utility I can't seem to successfully change the resolution/refresh rate. Almost everything I try results in an unresponsive black screen. Only thing that seems to work is xrandr. [18:50] But, as I say, after each reboot it defaults back to the ridiculous 1440x1280@75 settings, which is way out of spec for this system (1024x768@60 is this monitor's native settings) [18:51] hm [18:51] does 1440x1280 show up in the KCM? [18:51] Like, don't get me wrong.. It looks nice (rofl) [18:51] heh [18:51] But everything's really, really sluggish. It's way too much for this system heehee! [18:51] Yea, the KCM shows 1440x1280 as the highest setting [18:52] then I think KDE Defaults to the highest setting [18:52] Ah, I see [18:52] Interesting! [18:53] I tried putting an couple xrandr calls in my /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup file but it doesn't seem to work :| [18:53] which is odd since krandr should save it [18:53] Not sure, maybe that's the wrong script to put it in? [18:53] well .... you could make a autostart script maybe [18:53] I'm using just xrandr utility from the command-line, not a KDE program [18:53] michealPW: handedit : ~/.kde/share/config/krandrrc [18:53] Ah, what's that? :| [18:54] config file for krandr [18:54] krandr, ehh? Hrmm [18:54] I've been using just xrandr LOL [18:54] michealPW: http://paste.kde.org/551066/ [18:54] is what I have [18:54] Thx for the help mate ;) [18:54] your groups will most likely vary [18:55] so you'll need to change those, but that's the file that krandr uses [18:55] and it looks like this is a issue in KDE and not in Kubuntu :) [18:55] Oh bah, here it is! [18:55] LOL: StartupCommands=xrandr --output VGA1 --pos 0x0 --mode 1440x900 --refresh 60.0702\nxrandr --output VGA1 --primary [18:55] Fail :( [18:56] heh [18:56] Thank you LOl [18:56] that's probably why :P [18:56] What a silly resolution! [18:56] LOl [18:56] where was that though? [18:56] In the file you told me to edit, krandrrc [18:56] heh, I have 1440x900 and its just fine :P [18:56] >.> [18:56] I guess, but I don't have a video card :| [18:56] It's putting my little intel IGP in a headlock [18:57] again, running that on a intel card :P [18:57] Which? [18:57] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) [18:57] Show off [18:57] wot [18:57] ofcourse, I have my discrete card disabled [18:57] turning that one would have been show off :P [18:57] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [18:57] (blush) [18:58] So, I wasn't aware of any krandr at all LOL. brb, let me read what I can find [18:58] michealPW: question, did you upgrade this machine? [18:58]