[05:25] <ajmitch> weird, I resumed my laptop & it didn't accept my password - used the switch user option & it did
[05:27] <ajmitch> heh, it seemed to be the numlock that got enabled somehow
[06:02] <hads> How are the Zareason laptops working out?
[06:03] <ajmitch> fairly well for me, I'm mostly just carrying to work each day & sitting it on my desk, with separate mouse & keyboard
[06:08] <hads> Happy with the build quality etc.?
[06:09] <ajmitch> mostly, not a big fan of the keyboard
[06:09] <ajmitch> but I never really like laptop keyboards anyway
[06:10] <hads> Indeed. Thanks, I'm weighing some things up :)
[06:10] <ajmitch> ibeardslee can give you some feedback from a few more people
[06:10]  * ajmitch would also have liked an all-metal body on it :)
[06:11] <hads> My ZaTab is suitable for it's purpose but I wasn't amazed with the build of it.
[06:12] <hads> Nothing wrong with it at all, I just wasn't blown away.
[06:12]  * ajmitch could probably say the same about the laptop
[06:13] <G> hads: oh glad I'm not the only person
[06:14] <G> hads: although maybe a bit more disappointed (for instance, even after hearing vague reports of people getting minor shocks off theirs, I was reaolly surprised to get one myself
[06:14] <G> the last build I tried seemed to improve the stability/touchscreen stuff though
[06:16] <G> the thing that gets me with it, (and this might be a complaint of Android itself, the Volume keys don't change the volume
[06:16] <hads> That's specific to this hardware, you hold them down and it does. Caught me out too.
[06:16] <hads> Mine went odd the other day all all the apps kept crashing. Tried to reboot but it wouldn't boot. Had to do a factory reset. Came up in Chinese language by default :)
[06:17] <ajmitch> odd
[06:17] <G> hads: hmmm, never tried long press... interesting
[06:18]  * ajmitch hasn't had to do a factory reset yet, just poking at the reset button occasionally when running linux on the sd card
[06:18] <hads> I don't know what the issue was and it doesn't seem to be a hardware issue. Tried a cache reset and some other things but ended up having to to a hard reset.
[19:56] <ibeardslee> hads: re the Zareason Laptops .. to me (and use here at Catalyst) the biggest win is being able to buy laptops without a licence for a legacy OS.  And I'm willing to overlook some of the faults to get that to happen.  Hopefully as we overlook the faults and help support ZaReason we'll find that they can grow and start being able to take that feedback (yes, each fault needs to be fed back to them) and build improved machines.
[19:57] <ibeardslee> for the UltraLap ..
[19:57] <ibeardslee> 1/ trackpad is centred to the laptop, not the spacebar
[19:58] <ibeardslee> 2/ front edge of the laptop is a bit sharp when resting the wrist there
[19:58] <ibeardslee> 3/ the spacebar is a bit dead/unresponsive at the ends
[19:59] <ibeardslee> 4/ had a comment that from one that the trackpad buttons required a bit of pressure to work
[19:59] <ibeardslee> 5/ could be quieter, even with the SSD there is a bit of noise
[20:01] <ibeardslee> 6/ the bezel around the screen is flexible and on one has tiny gap between the plastic and screen (it'll fill up with dust/hair etc)
[20:01] <ibeardslee> 7/ volume buttons weren't working with the precise kernel (haven't tried others)
[20:01] <ibeardslee> 8/ no caps/num lock indicator buttons
[20:02] <ibeardslee> s/buttons/lights/
[20:16] <mwhudson> morning
[20:17] <ajmitch> morning
[20:22] <ojwb> ibeardslee: I'd pay extra for no caps lock...
[20:25] <ojwb> fwiw, on this hp laptop, the trackpad isn't centred on either the space bar or the laptop, and it's not something I've even noticed
[20:26] <ojwb> i think it may be centred on the keyboard ignoring the number pad part
[20:30] <chilts> morning
[20:30] <ibeardslee> centred on the spacebar is quite handy because that is generally the default position of the hands, having to shit the position to use te trackpad does upset my cat when she is resting on my arms
[20:30] <ibeardslee> s/shit/shift/
[20:30]  * ibeardslee wanders for another coffee
[20:31] <chilts> yeah, centered on the spacebar :)
[20:31] <chilts> and because I don't do number pads on laptops, it's pretty much centered on the lappy too
[20:31] <chilts> ibeardslee: my System76 is pretty damn quiet (with the SSD)
[20:31] <chilts> quietest laptop I've ever had
[20:31] <chilts> same about the sharp front edge though
[20:32] <ibeardslee> the ultralap doesn't have the number pad, but it does have the column for the page up/down etc keys
[20:32] <hads> ibeardslee: Thanks for the feedback.
[20:32] <chilts> yeah, same
[20:32] <chilts> again, no caps/num lock indicators
[20:32] <ibeardslee> that off-centres the keyboard/space bar
[20:32] <chilts> only slightly though?
[20:32] <chilts> I don't mind a little bit
[20:32] <ibeardslee> prob no more than a couple of cm
[20:33] <chilts> yeah
[20:33] <ibeardslee> to me it is a distraction.
[20:34] <ibeardslee> hads: that's the word I was looking for earlier .. rather than 'faults' I see the issues etc as 'distractions' from the 'perfection' of a light fairly grunty laptop without the legacy OS licence
[20:34] <chilts> the most important thing for me these days is that the keyboard layout is standard ... no stupid positions for things like the arrow keys, home/pgup/pgdn/end, pause, delete ins etc
[20:34] <ibeardslee> oh an 9/ 1366x768 14" screen
[20:35] <chilts> and no keys to the left of `/~/tab/caps/shift/ctrl
[20:35] <ibeardslee> ++
[20:35] <chilts> ibeardslee: next time I'm in Catalyst, wanna compare your ZaReason with my System76?
[20:35] <chilts> I think they're quite alike to be honest
[20:35] <hads> I'm spoilt with the Thinkpad keyboard. I find it difficult to work on different laptops.
[20:36] <ibeardslee> sure .. although mine isn't here yet .. still got a temp one .. that we have issued to a staff member
[20:36] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: I'll certainly give it points for being light, it's nice to carry it to work each day
[20:38] <ojwb> ibeardslee: mostly i was pointing out it's not just a feature of the zareason one
[20:39] <ibeardslee> ojwb: understood, but just because it is a common 'feature' doesn't mean it isn't a distraction
[20:40] <ojwb> special keys not working in linux is quite common too IME, but something zareason should really be getting right
[20:42] <ajmitch> usually volume keys are easy enough to get working, brightness & wifi work on there
[21:52] <Atamira> morning
[21:53] <kcj> Morning.