[01:09] <three18ti> AlphaWolf, sorry for abandoning you earlier, had to do my real job.  doesn't look like you're still around but I hope you got it figured out.
[02:18] <danawar2> Hey #ubuntu i have a server and a user connects to that server types some commands via ssh then clears thier bash history, is there any way to recover that bash history
[02:23] <qman__> no
[04:02] <linocisco> hi all
[04:09] <pythonirc101> what's the pro/cons of running debian server vs ubuntu server ?
[06:03] <koolhead17> hi all
[06:42] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:13] <jamespage> morning all
[07:13] <lordievader> Hey jamespage, how are you?
[07:13] <jamespage> good thanks lordievader - hows your monday so far?
[07:14] <lordievader> jamespage: Just woke up, but so far pretty good. Got tea :)
[07:31] <randomDude> http://kuvaton.com/browse/23550/pizza_rolls_cooking_instructions.jpg
[07:31] <randomDude> oh woops
[08:38] <lynxman> morning jamespage o/
[08:38] <jamespage> morning lynxman!
[08:39] <TREllis> morning lynxman
[08:39] <TREllis> :)
[08:39] <lynxman> TREllis: morning good sir!
[08:41] <jamespage> hey TREllis
[09:13] <TREllis> afternoon all :)
[11:15] <rbasak> Could someone please check that I'm not missing something? It's RTC related. In http://paste.ubuntu.com/1210813/ line 5 was not what I expected. What am I doing wrong? Is this a hardware bug?
[11:41] <koolhead17> hi all
[11:48] <knxville> Hello, I got a ubuntu server running where my 3 video surveillance cameras record to. It takes a picture every second there is movement. This leads to thousands of pictures. Do you guys have any recommendations to sorting these pictures in some way, so it is easier to look through?
[11:49] <knxville> This might be the wrong channel, but I have no idea where to ask.. I was thinking of some sort of software that organized the pictures.. At the moment I just made a bash script that zips all pictures, and another that deletes pictures that are 30 days old or older..
[11:53] <rbasak> convert them to video perhaps? Look up mjpegtools, libav, ffmpeg for some tools
[12:02] <balboah> how do you disable ipv6 alltogether? Tried sysctl as http://www.noobslab.com/2012/05/disable-ipv6-if-your-internet-is.html but that didn't make a difference
[12:04] <balboah> ah maybe the module blacklist should help
[12:06] <balboah> nope still got tcp6 in netstat -na
[12:13] <knxville> rbasak: yeah that might be a solution, problem is, I wouldn't get a timestamp on the video, so you wouldn't know what time of the day it is. I think perhaps a solution would be a script that takes files and puts it in the folders according to what day it is recorded.
[12:15] <rbasak> Do you know about http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome ? Does all of this for you. Pretty astonishing that other solutions can't insert timestamps into captured frames!
[12:15] <rbasak> If you have the information you could superimpose a timestamp into the frames yourself though
[12:15] <rbasak> http://www.imagemagick.org
[12:16] <rbasak> specifically http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/draw/#text
[12:28] <knxville> rbasak: woow! I will look into that! Thanks
[13:06] <knxville> rbasak: You might not know, but in case, why is there a ; in front of some of the options in the motion.conf file?
[13:07] <rbasak> I don't know, but at a guess a ; means a comment in there perhaps?
[13:08] <knxville> well # is used elsewhere..
[13:13] <knxville> You're right.. ; is in from of options with parameters, # is for regular comments.. most login, username and other options is commented with ; so it doesn't break the config file
[13:30] <DoomGuy> hello all
[13:31] <DoomGuy> is there any problem with installing apache in ubuntu server 12.04
[13:31] <DoomGuy> after installing apache in my remote server and access it from my browser I got this message
[13:31] <DoomGuy> Forbidden
[13:31] <DoomGuy> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
[13:35] <chris||> DoomGuy, that means your apache is running, you just haven't configured it yet/wrong
[13:36] <DoomGuy> chris||, but the default installation must show me at least the famous message "it works !"
[13:36] <DoomGuy> chris||, the default vhost is setup and running
[13:37] <DoomGuy> I am trying to access the page from the internet is that an issue about access forbidden ?
[13:37] <DoomGuy> all I did is apt-get install apache2... I try to access the page
[14:26] <doko> kirkland, is there a FFe for anerd?
[14:26] <ogra_> a nerd ?
[14:26] <ogra_> :)
[14:28] <doko> zul, is there a FFe for websockify?
[14:29] <zul> doko: i believe so
[14:29] <zul> doko: gimme a sec
[14:30] <zul> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1048679
[14:32] <doko> zul, thanks
[14:32] <zul> doko: no
[14:32] <zul> doko: no problems
[14:32] <zul> hallyn: ping
[14:36] <koolhead17> zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1051998 Daviey ^^^
[14:37] <hallyn> zul: spu
[14:37] <hallyn> sup
[14:38] <zul> hallyn:  did you say there was a cve going in for libvirt?
[14:43] <rocky> anyone have experience setting up 9p mounts between host and guest vm's (libvirt) ?
[14:43] <rocky> having difficulty getting it to work and docs online that i can find are kinda vague
[14:48] <hallyn> zul: it's in
[14:48] <zul> hallyn:  k cool
[14:49] <zul> hallyn: thanks...i need to update libvirt in the CA
[14:49] <hallyn> CA?
[14:51] <kirkland> doko: sorry, no;  it's targeted for universe, didn't realize I needed one
[14:51] <kirkland> ogra_: yeah, anerd :-)
[14:52] <doko> zul, is this going to universe, or main?
[14:52] <doko> # Degraded functionality if these imports are missing
[14:52] <doko> for mod, sup in [('numpy', 'HyBi protocol'), ('ssl', 'TLS/SSL/wss'),
[14:52] <zul> doko: universe
[14:52] <doko> zul, numpy should be a recommendation, imo. or this the HyBi protocol essential to have?
[14:53] <doko> you could even hint at this (when the warning is printed)
[14:54] <doko> ohh, and it's even only for optimization
[14:56] <zul> doko: it isnt
[14:57] <doko> zul, why?
[14:57] <zul> doko: its only used by novnc which we dont really care about in openstack but people use it
[14:57] <zul> since novnc is in universe as well
[14:58] <doko> zul: please look at the code. it really is only used as an optimization
[14:58] <doko> no need for a dependency
[14:58] <zul> doko: i agree
[14:58] <doko> ahh, ok
[15:13] <doko> kirkland, rejecting anerd for now. contains binary files, config.log, etc ...
[15:14] <kirkland> doko: okay, thanks
[15:14] <doko> looks like the package doesn't clean
[15:17] <kirkland> doko: hmm, yeah, I need to add a better automake clean rule
[15:19] <doko> kirkland, and for the FFe please subscribe ubuntu-release. they seem to be picky about it
[15:19] <kirkland> doko: ack
[15:23] <zul> doko:  so did it get accepted?
[15:25] <doko> zul, now
[15:25] <zul> doko: cool thanks
[15:26] <DoomGuy> hello all
[15:27] <DoomGuy> wired problem..I have a server with a fresh with ubuntu 12.04.. the server can ping any machine in the LAN but the clients cannot ping the server until I initiate the pinging from the server
[15:27] <DoomGuy> can anybody explain this problem to me
[15:28] <TheLordOfTime> first question, do you have any firewall rules running?
[15:28] <TheLordOfTime> on the server
[15:28] <TheLordOfTime> (might sound stupid, but... :P)
[15:28] <ikonia> DoomGuy: probably a firewall rule that's connection established only, or something like that
[15:29] <DoomGuy> TheLordOfTime, No I have no firewall
[15:30] <DoomGuy> TheLordOfTime,  ikonia when I restart the server, everything looks OK.. clients are able to ping it
[15:30] <DoomGuy> but later on it doesn't work.. I don;t know why
[15:31] <ikonia> DoomGuy: are you sure you have no firewall ?
[15:31] <ikonia> DoomGuy: do the clients have firewalls ?
[15:33] <DoomGuy> ikonia, nobody has firewall the firewall is the external  ports
[15:34] <ikonia> the external ports ?
[15:34] <ikonia> DoomGuy: what OS is the clients running
[15:41] <DoomGuy> ikonia, Windows 7, Ubuntu 12.04
[15:41] <DoomGuy> nobody is able to ping the server
[15:46] <ikonia> DoomGuy: so the windows 7 firewall isn't on ?
[15:46] <ikonia> DoomGuy: can they do anything else on the server, eg use any other services,
[15:50] <thierry> hi everyone, i configured an access point on my ubuntu-server image using this tuto ( part 2 http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/wifi_ad-hoc) , the prob is that i see that in my Pandaboard that wlan0 is connected and that iwconfig returns the correct parameters
[15:50] <thierry> but i'm not able to find the network on any other device!
[15:53] <DoomGuy> ikonia, I have doubts on physical cable.. maybe it's the real problem.. because when I changed it everyting works fine
[15:54] <ikonia> DoomGuy: a cable wouldn't stop "ping" it would either be on the network or off the network
[16:01] <smoser> kirkland, ping
[16:02] <kirkland> smoser: pong
[16:02] <smoser> how would you recommend i initialize byobo for a user with a given set of status notifiactions to run
[16:03] <kirkland> smoser: just write their ~/.byobu/status for them?
[16:03] <kirkland> smoser: or do you want to do it system wide?
[16:03] <smoser> per-user is fine.
[16:03] <kirkland> smoser: yeah, just write out their ~/.byobu/status for them
[16:07] <kirkland> smoser: was this a trick question?
[16:07] <TheLordOfTime> lol?
[16:09] <thierry> up
[16:09] <thierry> :)
[16:09] <smoser> kirkland, well, only that i kind of wanted ot explicitly disable some things.
[16:09] <smoser> and kind of leave the others be
[16:09] <smoser> but yeah, i can just specify it
[16:17] <FFForever> Good morning -- What kernel version is ubuntu server 12.04 packaged with?
[16:18] <Awaken> cant remember but it's definitely over 3
[16:18] <FFForever> Do you remember if it's at least 3.4? I'm looking into distros compatible with working on HVM oob
[16:19] <iqualfragile> Linux vm-fai-ubuntuserver 3.2.0-30-generic-pae #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 24 17:14:09 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[16:19] <Awaken> i could find out, but my virtu server currently on my desk waiting for a RAID card, and it's REALLY noisy, so I don't want to turn it on :P
[16:19] <Awaken> what he said :P
[16:19] <FFForever> thanks iqualfragile, I also just found it on the release notes.
[16:23] <bjf> i have a quantal ubuntu server install and i'd like to add a ppa to my list of sources. apt-add-repository is not found even though i have installed python-software-properties
[16:23] <bjf> is that expected behavior?
[16:24] <iqualfragile> well then: question for you: im trying to get this kerberos-autoconfiguration-thing to work as described in https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/kerberos.html#kerberos-server configuration-point 5
[16:24] <iqualfragile> there are some bits i should add to my local dns
[16:24] <iqualfragile> but it just wont blend
[16:24] <iqualfragile> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?729504745596ccfe#3ncmoooSfY0L9l0qqJQO9Vy0pICyaSADOYIbNpjYT0U=
[16:25] <iqualfragile> when trying to combine those two the dns-server just stops working, at least for me.
[16:25] <iqualfragile> how do i add those enteries the right way?
[16:25] <thierry> have u tried adding the sources manually? i had that problem but i forget what have i done
[16:27] <thierry> hi everyone, i configured an access point on my ubuntu-server image using this tuto ( part 2 http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/wifi_ad-hoc) , the prob is that i see that in my Pandaboard that wlan0 is connected and that iwconfig returns the correct parameters but i cant find the network on anyother device!
[16:36] <doko> jamespage, do we want to fix the class format issues?
[17:05] <jamespage> doko, I think so; we said that for quantal backwards compatibility of libraries was important
[17:05] <jamespage> even if they are not issues in the package in the archive now - as soon as someone uploads a new version it will be
[17:31] <iqualfragile> hey guys, can you help me figuring out whats wrong with my reverse dns lookup configuration? http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?53ded84c2e97c6ea#QowJWl4cVuooagNLhsHVOnwQOKyGmDx4bKLp0lJh+ew=
[17:33] <hallyn> highvoltage: bug 529611 - would you be interested in writing a 'transitioning from openvz' section for the server guide lxc chapter?
[17:49] <highvoltage> hallyn: I might at least be able to write some things about how to do openvz things in lxc. Actual upgrade path from openvz containers to LXC containers is a lot more tricky.
[17:50] <highvoltage> (expecially since we can't anticipate what people actually did inside those containers)
[17:50] <highvoltage> (and especially judging by the hacks I've already seen in some containers :p)
[17:50] <highvoltage> but yes, sounds like something good for the server guide.
[17:58] <hallyn> highvoltage: cool, thanks!  i assume you're plenty busy - we can just talk at UDS about it ?
[17:59] <hallyn> (or of course you can just start if you like :)
[17:59] <highvoltage> hallyn: sounds good!
[18:00] <highvoltage> hallyn: I restarted my rlxc efforts based on the python3-lxc stuff (so it's now in python) and called llxc (but I'd still like to call it something nicer once it's more releasable
[18:01] <highvoltage> hallyn: it currently works well, I still need to package it and write something up about it, I'm planning to do so once I have 0.3 done: https://github.com/highvoltage/llxc
[18:01] <hallyn> highvoltage: cool :)
[18:01] <resno> hey yall question
[18:02] <highvoltage> it could potentially also make the transition from openvz easier. or perhaps just be nice for existing lxc users.
[18:02] <resno> accessing webmail, you generally use ssl. ssl certs arent expensive are they?
[18:02] <hallyn> highvoltage: should we schedule a demo session at uds?
[18:02] <hallyn> (perhaps others can demo their lxc-based things too, andw e can look for commonalities)
[18:04] <highvoltage> hallyn: good question. it's not particularly exciting from a technical perspective, I wouldn't want to bore people :)
[18:05] <highvoltage> (but I wouldn't mind showing it if there's a demo session)
[18:06] <resno> highvoltage: you use lxc?
[18:09] <highvoltage> resno: yep
[18:10] <resno> thats one the virtualizers that hasnt been on my radar for whatever reason
[18:11] <resno> oh, ya its openvz
[18:11] <resno> right?
[18:11] <resno> i like proxmox
[18:11] <resno> debians webgui thing
[18:11] <highvoltage> openvz is similar to lxc, but they're completely different implementations
[18:12] <resno> highvoltage: whats the major difference?
[18:12] <highvoltage> I played with proxmox for the first time last weekend. it's ok. I'd like to do something similar for lxc, at current pace I hope to have something nice'ish by the end of the year.
[18:12] <highvoltage> resno: openvz is a huge kernel patch, lxc uses technologies that already exists inside the kernel
[18:13] <resno> gotcha
[18:13] <highvoltage> (that's pretty much the biggest difference)
[18:13] <highvoltage> openvz will eventually start using more of the lxc stuff itself, but keep the current openvz userspace tools for that
[18:13] <resno> but lxc still uses the host for kernel stuff?
[18:13] <highvoltage> yep
[18:13] <resno> gotcha
[18:29] <jan__> Hi. Have a problem with bind9 installation, http://pastebin.com/v9GtuAcW
[18:31] <jan__> http://pastebin.com/930eY7t0
[18:31] <iqualfragile> apt-get install -f
[18:33] <jan__> iqualfragile, thank you.
[18:35] <iqualfragile> do you know something about bind9-configuration?
[18:36] <jan__> iqualfragile, did not help. Configuration? Soon, I am going thru the docs found online
[18:37] <iqualfragile> i guess you have tried apt-get update before
[18:37] <jan__> iqualfragile, sure thing
[18:37] <iqualfragile> and check your sources.list
[18:38] <jan__> iqualfragile, that is the latest output with -f , http://pastebin.com/ZFscgJVp
[18:38] <iqualfragile> no, just apt-get install -f
[18:38] <iqualfragile> without a packet
[18:39] <jan__> iqualfragile, "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded."
[18:42] <jan__> iqualfragile, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, precise
[18:42] <iqualfragile> so: have you added some additional repositories/ppa's?
[18:43] <iqualfragile> or did you interupt an previous installation
[18:43] <jan__> iqualfragile, no additional repositories/ppa's added, no interuption whatsoever
[18:45] <iqualfragile> apt-get install libbind9-80=1:9.8.1.dfsg.P1-4
[18:45] <iqualfragile> ?
[18:47] <jan__> iqualfragile, yeah. Something moved:)
[18:49] <iqualfragile> repeat for every lib
[18:52] <jan__> iqualfragile, thanks, much obliged.
[20:01] <pythonirc101> is anyone using http://www.anandtech.com/print/5850 on their servers by any chance?
[20:13] <SpamapS> pythonirc101: people still build servers?
[20:15] <RoyK> home servers, sure
[20:15] <RoyK> but something meant to be in production, probably not
[20:18] <pythonirc101> SpamapS: what else?
[20:18] <SpamapS> Even for home usage..
[20:19] <SpamapS> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/15351-15351-4237916-4237918-4237917-4248009.html?dnr=1
[20:21] <RoyK> SpamapS: de der støtter ikke ECC, så det er omtrent som en pc
[20:22] <SpamapS> RoyK: no hablo!
[20:24] <RoyK> like greit å kjøpe et billig hovedkort+cpu+minne og stappe inn store disker i en pc enn å kjøpe de jallagreiene der
[20:24] <RoyK> oops
[20:24] <RoyK> wrong language ;)
[20:25] <RoyK> SpamapS: those things don't support ECC, so better get some el cheapo PC hardware and setup something
[20:26] <patdk-wk> hmm, two x8, x4 and x1
[20:27] <patdk-wk> guess the question is, if you use one of the x8 slots does that disable the onboard video?
[20:27] <patdk-wk> if so, doesn't that make it kind of useless?
[20:28] <SpamapS> I don't think anybody cares about the video on those :)
[20:28] <patdk-wk> it helps when diagnosing, and installing :)
[20:28] <RoyK> patdk-wk: last I checked, those 8x or 16x slots worked well unless I tried to plug an LSI card into them
[20:59] <Karou1> could somebody lend me a hand?
[20:59] <Pawki> I need to boot via usb
[20:59] <Pawki> and can't really figure it out
[21:05] <morfeu> hi
[21:06] <Pawki> hi
[21:07] <morfeu> Pawki Can you help me configure dhcp-server
[21:07] <Pawki> dude
[21:07] <Pawki> I wish
[21:07] <TheLordOfTime> !patience
[21:07] <Pawki> I can't even get my own server working
[21:07] <Pawki> :P
[21:08] <Pawki> my issue is that my old pc won't read the boot.img
[21:08] <Pawki> and idk what to do the only way I can install is via usb
[21:09] <Pawki> if somebody could pm me if they can help that would be awesome
[21:09] <Pawki> until then
[21:09] <Pawki> ima chill in #ubuntu-ca
[21:12] <Pawki> anybody?
[21:15] <sarnold> Pawki: what's your actual question? I've seen a few pleas for help but insufficient details about what you're trying to accomplish, what you've tried, and how that failed. Be precise about what you've tried and how it failed.
[21:15] <iqualfragile1> TheLordOfTime: jup, but i asked about 3 hours ago and nobody answered till now
[21:16] <Pawki> basicly I have a older dell
[21:16] <Pawki> and a sub drive
[21:17] <Pawki> usb*
[21:17] <Pawki> I can only install from usb
[21:17] <Pawki> it has a internet connectio
[21:17] <Pawki> connection
[21:17] <Pawki> but for one reason or another will not boot to the usb drive
[21:18] <Pawki> any ideas?
[21:18] <sarnold> (a) are you confident the BIOS is set to boot to USB devices? (Not all systems even support it, even if the BIOS has the option -- perhaps yours does not?) (b) are you confident your drive is actually bootable?
[21:19] <Pawki> drive is bootable
[21:19] <Pawki> and the bips is able
[21:19] <Pawki> bios
[21:20] <sarnold> Pawki: have you tested the drive to boot another system? Have you tried booting a different USB Mass Storage device on your system?
[21:21] <sarnold> Pawki: is there any chance that your NIC supports bootp or something else friendly that would let you skip the USB end of things?
[21:21] <Pawki> other usb drives were problenatic
[21:21] <Pawki> no
[21:23] <Pawki> now what exactly should be on the drive tho
[21:23] <Pawki> just boot.img?
[21:24] <sarnold> best is if you can write it using usb-creator-gtk, it'll Just Do The Right Thing
[21:24] <Pawki> I have a ubuntu partion on my current pc
[21:24] <Pawki> but my other pc can only be running ubuntu server
[21:25] <sarnold> it'll create the bootable stick from whichever ISO you hand it, iirc
[21:25] <Pawki> perfect tyvm
[21:25] <Pawki> I will be back wih my results
[22:47] <GEM> Hello, does anyone know what ports need to be open on the router to access ISPConfig?
[22:49] <patdk-lap> not really, ispconfig isn't a part of ubuntu
[22:50] <GEM> I know, but I do not know where else to go.  I have the ISPConfig manula, but I cannot find where it mentions what ports need to be open.
[22:51] <patdk-lap> that will defently be hard for this channel to answer, as ubuntu doesn't support it, and generally don't recommend using software like that
[22:51] <patdk-lap> !ISPConfig
[22:53] <GEM> Why do they not recommend it?
[22:53] <patdk-lap> cause they are not distro friendly, they do things their way, and then you cause all kinds of issues is you update anything
[22:54] <patdk-lap> if you even get that far
[22:55] <GEM> So is there something else comparable Ubuntu suggests?  I am relatively new.
[23:11] <GEM> I wish people would not make a negative comment without a solution.  I.E. the comment patdk-lap made about ISPConfig
[23:16] <Pawki> hey
[23:16] <Pawki> im back
[23:16] <Pawki> im having a issue with the images i been getting they are all corrupt
[23:16] <patdk-lap> gem, if there was a solution, I might recommend one
[23:16] <patdk-lap> as there is none, I will not recommend any
[23:17] <patdk-lap> and ubuntu doesn't suggest any, why there are none that come with ubuntu
[23:17] <sarnold> Pawki: the .iso images don't sha1sum validate or something?
[23:17] <Pawki> pretty much
[23:17] <Pawki> when i do check disk for errors
[23:17] <sarnold> GEM: what does ISPConfig _do_? Why do you want to run it? What "native" tools might do the job instead?
[23:17] <Pawki> its always something
[23:25] <GEM> Well, first, like I said, I am relatively new to Ubuntu.  It looks as though ISPConfig offers a package that contains an interface for e-mail, websites, etc.  Am I wrong?  Should I really stay way from it?
[23:25] <patdk-lap> They claim they support ubuntu, ubuntu doesn't claim to support it
[23:25] <patdk-lap> so you will have to depend on them for your support
[23:28] <GEM> Gotcha
[23:28] <GEM> It's not that it is a problematic app, it's just not "supported" by Ubuntu.
[23:29] <GEM> Vecause I tried to Goolge complaints, issues, concerns, etc. about ISPConfig
[23:29] <patdk-lap> those types of apps tend to cause problems
[23:29] <patdk-lap> cpanel/plesk/webmin/...
[23:30] <GEM> Cpanel is better?
[23:32] <sarnold> GEM: what does it mean to "contain an interface for email, websites, etc"?
[23:32] <sarnold> GEM: does it provide something like kmail and chrome?
[23:32] <sarnold> GEM: or does it provide something to write nginx and postfix configuration files?
[23:33] <GEM> Don;t know yet
[23:34] <sarnold> GEM: hehe. Well, why do _you_ want it? :)
[23:34] <GEM> My peeps will get a hold of your!  :)
[23:34] <mklappstuhl> hey people. I have a machine with a process in state "D" which means "reboot to kill" afaik. I need to kill this process. I rebooted the machine but the process is still there. it even has the same PID
[23:34] <andol> GEM: Zentyal might do some of what you are after, perhaps. If nothing else, it is at least included in the repos.
[23:35] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: does that process rely upon a dead disk or unreachable network filesystem mount?
[23:35] <GEM> I guess I am wanting a GUI that I can offer to my clients
[23:36] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, apparently the machine didnt reboot. at least uptime says so. and yes the process is running on a mounted disk. thats also the reason why I want to kill it
[23:37] <andol> GEM: If you are relativly new to these things, do you really want to offer hosting services to others?
[23:37] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: is the process waiting for IO on a dead/dying disk?
[23:37] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, lol. I did "reboot" and "shutdown -r now" and I always get the "shutting down" message but it doesnt shut down?!
[23:38] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: hunh, I would hope that after N seconds of waiting politely that the system would reboot regardless.
[23:38] <GEM> I am in the learning process, that is why I am asking questions.  I do not intend on offering something I know nothing about.  Never have, never will
[23:38] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, Its an lvm volume. I would not saying that it is dying but I tried to use cat on a file of that fs and than trouble started
[23:39] <GEM> is cpanel free?
[23:39] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, that would be around 120 seconds now
[23:41] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: okay that's plentyh long then. reboot takes a --force option that pokes the reboot(2) system call _directly_. Be careful. Sync and umount all the filesystems yourself before using this. (Be sure to have multiple root terminals open before starting -- you will probably _not_ be able to unmount that wedged filesystem, and it'll probably put that shell into D when you try.)
[23:41] <xnox> GEM: it's free, doesn't mean it's not evil.
[23:41]  * xnox cpanel is the most evil thing you can do to yourself
[23:43] <GEM> xnox, I do not believe cpanel is free
[23:44] <GEM> I have no problem with free
[23:44] <GEM> Free is good
[23:44] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, _all_ filesystems? like / and sysfs and proc?
[23:44] <xnox> GEM: hm... wp says it's proprietary
[23:45] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: ah, you can tell my age, I forget about sysfs and friends. :)
[23:45]  * xnox ponders when did I get the idea that cpanel is free
[23:45] <xnox> GEM: php is free, yet evil ;-)
[23:45] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: you can use mount -oro,remount / for root
[23:46] <GEM> Who's line is "Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing, we want to be free, free as the wind"?
[23:47] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, so I ignore sysfs and friends and just leave those mounted?
[23:47] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: yeah, no harm there if those are still mounted.
[23:48] <mklappstuhl> "/" is busy ...
[23:49] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, how can I remount a busy mount ro?
[23:50] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: that's where the leap of faith comes in, I'm afraid. :(
[23:50] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: just hope that your filesystem is in a fairly stable state before you hit that reboot --force. :(
[23:51] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, what about fuser -v -m /
[23:52] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: definitely useful
[23:52] <sarnold> make sure that you've stopped as many processes by hand as you can.
[23:53] <sarnold> but at some point I think you may just need to leap an reboot.
[23:55] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, wish me luck
[23:55] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: good luck! :)
[23:57] <mklappstuhl> sarnold, yeah, ... reboot -f isn't restarting the machine either
[23:58] <sarnold> o_0
[23:58] <sarnold> mklappstuhl: is there anything enlightening in dmesg output?
[23:59] <mklappstuhl> lots of those:
[23:59] <mklappstuhl> [2509798.184874] parent transid verify failed on 42250240 wanted 312981 found 313007