[15:11] <balloons> phillw, ping
[15:12] <smartboyhw> phillw, ping
[15:12] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:15] <phillw> balloons: pong
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Yay
[15:27] <smartboyhw> phillw, balloons: You guys ping and not say anything??/
[15:27] <balloons> phillw, ping pong.. Sorry mate
[15:27] <balloons> just got off the weekly call
[15:28] <smartboyhw> The weekly call>.
[15:28] <balloons> anyways, I sent a mail to lubuntu-qa regarding the ppc stuff we spoke about
[15:28] <balloons> trying to catch up on everything and then dive back into the testcases
[15:28] <silverarrow> hi
[15:28] <balloons> hello silverarrow
[15:28] <phillw> balloons: yeah, just got the mail.
[15:29] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:31] <phillw> balloons: the consensus seems to be to make alternate the priority as it can run on lower spec ppc's. Desktop would be great, but is not as vital.
[15:31] <balloons> phillw, ok
[15:31] <balloons> I was going to ask you about if you got a shortlist of blocking bugs or anything
[15:32] <balloons> but thought I'd just send the mail
[15:32] <phillw> let the guys who have ppc's reply as at least one of critical bugs does not show on a virtual machine.
[15:32] <smartboyhw> balloons: We are thinking of a Ubuntu Studio specialized testcase (me and ailo), but we're not gonna do anything till astraljava1 comes back, so...
[15:33] <balloons> smartboyhw, right.. that's the right idea
[15:33] <silverarrow> ok, minimal install works somewhat with xorg at least now?
[15:33] <balloons> an optional testcase for your specific bits
[15:34] <smartboyhw> Grrrrr...Since astraljava1 is not here we are not gonna do anything, I don't wanna get beaten
[15:34] <silverarrow> I have a iBook G4
[15:34] <balloons> smartboyhw, use the sandbox.. you can write something up
[15:34] <smartboyhw> Grrrrrrrrrr....I wanna put ailo in then...
[15:34] <phillw> silverarrow: minimal or alternate?
[15:35] <smartboyhw> ailo = Kaj Ailomaa, the Ubuntu Studio doc lead
[15:35] <balloons> put ailo in?
[15:35] <balloons> I'm confused by what your saying
[15:35] <smartboyhw> yeah he is making dev docs
[15:35] <silverarrow> I am used to regular GUI install
[15:35] <silverarrow> lol
[15:35] <smartboyhw> I mean the testcase admins team
[15:35] <balloons> you could draft something up, and then you yourself could even place it on the sandbox page
[15:35] <smartboyhw> He is a good guy trust me
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Geeee.......
[15:35] <balloons> making a testcase doesn't require any special powers :-)
[15:36] <smartboyhw> I still got the publishing one to finish in the coming week....
[15:38] <phillw> silverarrow: I'm unsure what you are saying... Have you installed a 12.10 version of lubuntu onto your iBook G4?
[15:38] <silverarrow> struggeling to do so now
[15:38] <silverarrow> I am rereading some of the workarounds to make installer run
[15:39] <silverarrow> has the daily main is changed at all the last days ?
[15:39] <silverarrow> or just the update part
[15:46] <phillw> silverarrow: I'm not sure what has been comitted to the ppc builds in recent days
[15:47] <silverarrow> I am downloading the current listing just in case
[15:47] <silverarrow> both ubuntu and lubuntu
[15:47] <phillw> an easy was to check is to zsync up your current iso & see if it grabs new stuff. Zsyncing is far faster than a complete doownload as it only updates the parts that have changed.
[15:49] <silverarrow> I hope the build is stable enough to run
[15:49] <phillw> silverarrow: if you're unsure on using zsync, there is a wiki page for it at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[15:49] <silverarrow> it makes bug reporing much easer, even if it runs badly
[15:54] <phillw> yes, a failure to install does cause problems reporting :)
[15:59] <balloons> heh..
[16:16] <phillw> balloons: good news! we have a passed install on lubuntu desktop ppc :)
[16:17] <balloons> woot!
[16:28] <phillw> balloons: who should someone prepared to look after the Chromium ppa's in ubuntu contact? He already maintains his own set.
[16:32] <balloons> ?
[16:32] <balloons> phillw, did you miss a word in that sentence, or I am just not reading it right? :-)
[16:34] <phillw> hmm, i think all the words are there. But to summise, bug 1044307 There is someone who maintains a daily & stable ppa (see comment #4)
[16:35] <phillw> i contacted him and would be happy to help out, but I don't know to ask him to contact.
[16:35] <phillw> *and he would be*
[16:56] <balloons> ok, so you want to contact alex shkop?
[16:58] <phillw> balloons: I've already contacted him & he has replied that he is happy to help. I just need to inform him of who to contact with his offer :)
[16:58] <balloons> contact about what?
[16:58] <balloons> there are no official ppa's
[16:58] <balloons> by design all ppa's are third party :-)
[16:59] <phillw> https://launchpad.net/chromium-project
[16:59] <balloons> the package inside ubuntu comes from debian, but of course, ubuntu doesn't update the package from debian after the initial pull at the start of development.. and certainly not after release
[16:59] <balloons> the chromium team is micah
[17:00] <balloons> micahg.. heck, he's even in this channel ;-)
[17:00] <balloons> does that help?
[17:01] <phillw> balloons: yes, I'll try and catch micahg next time he is active :)
[17:01] <balloons> I think I get what your meaning now.. he wants to help restart the old ppa that most everyone was using
[17:01] <phillw> indeed he does :)
[17:02] <phillw> seems silly to turn the offer down :D
[17:05] <phillw> I get the gripes about chromium via my bug link to all lubuntu applications and the lubuntu mailing list (They do grumble :) )
[17:06] <balloons> phillw, yes, since lubuntu is shipping it, it's rather important
[17:06] <phillw> tell me about it :D
[18:14] <wxl> so i work in a bike shop. it's standard bike shop humour to talk about the guy who's got a problem that happened while he was "just riding along." well, i've got the computer equivalent here. wonder if anyone might be able to shed light on it. lubuntu quantal running upgrades in terminal. meanwhile upgrade manager pops up as usual. i had some sort of problem upgrading lxsession that forced me to apt-get -f install and somewhere along the way i get a
[18:45] <balloons> wxl, somewhere along the way you get a ?
[18:45] <balloons> get a what? ;-)
[18:45] <balloons> btw, <3 biking
[19:00] <wxl> balloons: biking indeed, but there was no action asked for on my part except the standard crash dialogue for chromium and just an ok dialogue for the weird error
[19:00] <wxl> not to pitch the wares but if you're really curious we technically are a bike manufacturer: http://bikefriday.com
[19:00] <balloons> wxl, perhaps it was simply my client, but most of your message is cut off
[19:01] <balloons> hence my question
[19:01] <balloons> ahh yes, I've heard of those :-0
[19:01] <wxl> oh
[19:01] <wxl> ok lemme break it down
[19:01] <wxl> lubuntu quantal running upgrades in terminal. meanwhile upgrade manager pops up as usual. i had some sort of problem upgrading lxsession that forced me to apt-get -f install and somewhere along the way i get apport running and chromium (which wasn't open) crashing.
[19:02] <balloons> ok, odd.. so is the question as to why chromium popped up?
[19:02] <wxl> end result: no report and apport complains "unpack requires a bytes object of length 4."
[19:02] <wxl> no it more has to do with that ↑ error
[19:02] <wxl> which i have never seen before
[19:02] <balloons> :-)
[19:02] <balloons> I also haven't heard of it
[19:03] <balloons> however, have a look in /var/crash
[19:03] <wxl> oh there we go
[19:03] <balloons> you can resubmit the crash manually
[19:03] <wxl> forgot about that
[19:03] <balloons> if apport complains the same way, file a bug on apport, and attach the crash :-)
[19:03] <wxl> none of these are dated today
[19:04] <wxl> oh wait there's one from lxsession
[19:04] <wxl> lxsession failing to upgrade seemed to trigger all this
[19:04] <wxl> however 0-length
[19:04] <wxl> strangely it's an .uploaded file which almost suggests to me that it's finished
[19:05] <wxl> is that an intermediate file in ubuntu-bug/apport's process?
[19:17] <balloons> .uploaded is a state file
[19:17] <balloons> it's written when it starts the upload though
[19:17] <balloons> err well
[19:17] <wxl> well written when finished uploaded
[19:17] <balloons> it may well represent that your crash did make it
[19:18] <wxl> and then i'd assume deleted when the process is complete?
[19:18] <balloons> however, you were not able to file the bug to accompany it
[19:18] <wxl> cuz i have no others
[19:18] <wxl> it seems? honestly i'm not sure what it filed it against
[19:20] <balloons> it filed no bug
[19:20] <balloons> just the crash data went into the db
[19:20] <balloons> if you didn't file a bug, there is no bug report for it :-)
[19:20] <balloons> however, the .uploaded file I'm believing means the data was successfully uploaded to the crash db
[19:20] <balloons> I could very well be wrong on this
[19:20] <balloons> that
[19:21] <balloons> that's simply my understanding.. we'd have to ask ev or someone else
[19:21] <wxl> so where do i go from here? i mean i have no idea what events really led to the crash so i have nothing intelligent to say in filing a bug report. without the data, i don't know what else to do.
[19:22] <balloons> ahh.. that's a good question
[19:23] <wxl> well i'll just leave it as is, i guess, but if you have some insight, let me know
[19:24] <wxl> i'll go back to trying to figure out why my touchpad randomly acts stupid
[19:24] <balloons> wxl, so you didn't find a .crash file with any data in it?
[19:24] <wxl> i've written a script where i can basically get every piece of diagnostic data lickety split
[19:24] <wxl> i have a crash file from 14 september
[19:24] <wxl> an .upload also from same time 14 sep
[19:25] <wxl> but the .uploaded is 17 sep
[19:25] <wxl> no other files for anything 17 sep (today in case it's not obvious; dunno your time zone)
[19:25] <balloons> yes, today is 17 sep still
[19:25] <balloons> ok, so can you re-create it?
[19:26] <wxl> not sure
[19:26] <wxl> it seemed that upgrading lxsession was the trigger
[19:26] <wxl> so if it's already upgraded…
[19:26] <balloons> btw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1017338
[19:26] <balloons> also this is 12.10 I assume yes
[19:26] <balloons> ?
[19:26] <wxl> yep, lubuntu
[19:27] <wxl> from .crash:
[19:27] <wxl> SegvAnalysis: Skipped: missing required field "Disassembly"
[19:27] <wxl> also complains that lxsession, et al. are out dated
[19:28] <wxl> this may be a fluke
[19:28] <wxl> i guess i'll wait to see if it happens again
[19:29] <wxl> i just HATE when i have bugs and i don't know why they happened
[19:30] <wxl> i'm just going to leave a comment on that bug
[19:30] <wxl> might not be related but if it turns out it is it might help
[19:36] <kanliot> i'm using software updater, why does it pull in more new stuff than apt-get dist-upgrade does?
[23:19] <kanliot> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/EverythingsBrokenAndNobodysUpset.aspx  < guy whining about bugs well taken
[23:30] <smartboyhw> balloons: went asleep or?