| ali1234 | to do it i must #define XLIB_ILLEGAL_ACCESS | 00:02 |
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| ali1234 | YEAH | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | pepper flash on google chrome: fixed | 00:06 |
| Azelphur | is it just me or does BT infinity have a lot better penetration than I think it does | 02:09 |
| knightwise | hey everyone :) | 05:19 |
| knightwise | hey TheOpenSourcerer | 06:38 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | meauning | 06:38 |
| knightwise | hey bootlkhtg | 06:38 |
| knightwise | how are you doing today $ | 06:39 |
| christel | morning | 07:31 |
| hoover_ | morning all | 07:33 |
| knightwise | hey hoover_ | 07:34 |
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| Monotoko | mornin' all! :) | 07:57 |
| hoover | mornin Monotoko, knightwise | 07:58 |
| mattt | morning all | 07:59 |
| diplo | Morning all | 08:09 |
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| JamesTait | Hello, world! :) | 08:34 |
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| world | Hi JamesTait | 08:34 |
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| JamesTait | daubers: :-P | 08:35 |
| christel | JamesTait, daubers \o/ | 08:36 |
| JamesTait | christel: \o/ | 08:37 |
| hoover | Has anyone had success connecting to an exchange 2010 server using fetchmail and IMAPS with GSSAPI / kerberos? | 08:50 |
| hoover | our local support are pulling their collective hair out over this | 08:50 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:23 |
| hoover | morning brobostigon | 09:28 |
| brobostigon | morning hoover | 09:28 |
| mungojerry | my hp touchpad tablet got smashed :( | 09:55 |
| brobostigon | :( | 09:56 |
| mungojerry | it's the glass screen, so maybe i can revive it. the lcd is OK | 09:57 |
| popey | oops | 09:57 |
| popey | how'd that happen? | 09:57 |
| mungojerry | http://ubuntuone.com/3JEOUrmks9U1IA04qKGCFU | 09:57 |
| popey | Oops-ID: OOPS-1569a612c39544928565b52d69b70b81 | 09:58 |
| popey | refresh worked | 09:58 |
| popey | odd | 09:58 |
| YaManicKill | that was the same for me, popey | 09:58 |
| YaManicKill | maybe it hadn't finished uploading when we first looked at it? | 09:58 |
| YaManicKill | that's not *too* bad a crack...I've seen much worse | 09:58 |
| mungojerry | wife had an accident, put in on the bed while charging, must have slipped off the bed, then a bowl fell on it | 09:58 |
| mungojerry | i can read stuff ok | 09:59 |
| mungojerry | but it makes me sad to use it | 09:59 |
| YaManicKill | yeah | 09:59 |
| popey | is it under warranty? | 10:00 |
| mungojerry | warranty won't fix accidental damage | 10:00 |
| popey | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Digitizer-Touch-Screen-Glass-Front-Panel-Lens-Replacement-for-HP-Touchpad-/310405990459?pt=Other_Tablet_eReader_Accessories&hash=item4845a3883b | 10:00 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:00 |
| popey | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Tactil-Ecran-Pantalla-Replacement-Repair-for-HP-TouchPad-/200777086042?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item2ebf3f345a | 10:00 |
| popey | loads of them | 10:01 |
| mungojerry | yeah, the first link is what i'm buying | 10:01 |
| mungojerry | however the process is tricky since it uses adhesive | 10:01 |
| mungojerry | and getting the shards off is fiddly work | 10:01 |
| mungojerry | even opeining the case can cause damage (thanks HP) | 10:01 |
| popey | house insurance? | 10:02 |
| mungojerry | meh, i'll just fix it | 10:02 |
| livingdaylight | Just discovered a cool Android app: WeTap: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mdc.wetap Just emailed them to request to make this a global project | 10:06 |
| mungojerry | hmm my mouse pointer is moving under the menus instead of over them ..weird | 10:07 |
| davmor2 | popey: thanks for the bug on cancel app install | 10:12 |
| popey | np | 10:12 |
| daubers | Asterisk question for people, can anyone recommend an ISDN card for both ISDN2e and ISDN30e? | 10:14 |
| davmor2 | daubers: have you had a look on the Asterisk site for hardware recommendations? | 10:18 |
| daubers | davmor2: Yeah, funnily enough they recommend the digium stuff at $Lots | 10:18 |
| directhex | My petition for the DWP to sell 51.0.0.0/8 was published. Sign! http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38744 | 10:28 |
| daubers | directhex: done! | 10:39 |
| diplo | I need to enable local-infile on my 12.04 machine | 10:41 |
| diplo | for mysql * | 10:41 |
| diplo | I've read I need to add local-infile=1 to [mysql] & [mysqld] | 10:41 |
| diplo | It works sometimes but fails others... anyone got any ideas ? | 10:42 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: you about | 10:44 |
| czajkowski | BigRedS: ello... | 10:50 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello | 10:51 |
| czajkowski | herro | 10:51 |
| awilkins | Is it just me or is it virtually impossible to get gawk to read tab-separated files properly? | 11:07 |
| awilkins | The manual lies blatantly about --traditional -Ft being the arguments for tabs | 11:08 |
| awilkins | Doesn't work | 11:08 |
| Laney | isn't it something like -F $'\t' | 11:09 |
| Laney | and set OFS if you want to output with tabs too | 11:09 |
| awilkins | Doesn't work for me... scoured the forums, stackoverflow, etc | 11:09 |
| awilkins | Don't know if it's a peculiarity of gawk vs mawk (the default awk for Ubuntu) | 11:10 |
| * awilkins considers it might be join at fault | 11:10 | |
| awilkins | Hmm, may be user error | 11:10 |
| awilkins | Aha | 11:11 |
| awilkins | Am joining files | 11:11 |
| awilkins | Join is not outputting tabs unless you tell it to. I am dufus. | 11:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | directhex: Duly signed too. | 11:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | If anyone needs some moar amo for their boss to consider FOSS: http://www.amadeus.com/blog/17/09/open-for-business/ well written white paper by Amadeus. | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | TheOpenSourcerer: I don't believe you he died ages ago I've seen the film ;) | 11:31 |
| * pinky- sings Amadeus Amadeus, oh oh oh Amadeus Come and rock me Amadeus | 11:43 | |
| popey | directhex, you should petition xerox to give up their 13.0.0.0/8 too :) (good luck with that) | 11:44 |
| directhex | popey, xerox don't answer to me. the government does :p | 11:45 |
| popey | heh | 11:46 |
| popey | their 13. addresses are hard wired all over the place | 11:46 |
| popey | wouldn't be surprised if DWP did same | 11:46 |
| davmor2 | directhex: you should stop partitioning for legacy ip infrastructure and start partitioning for everyone to move to ipv6 though surely :D | 11:46 |
| davmor2 | petitioning even | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | I was close it sounded right in my head anyway | 11:47 |
| AlanBell | but DWP should take the cash | 11:47 |
| directhex | davmor2, i'm a realist | 11:48 |
| directhex | AlanBell, exactly | 11:48 |
| directhex | davmor2, the government has a "useless" asset, why not sell it? | 11:49 |
| davmor2 | directhex: Hence the :D | 11:49 |
| directhex | popey, i had a NAS box once hardcoded to 1.1.1.1 by default @_@ | 11:49 |
| popey | as pointed out in another irc channel, maybe they should wait 5 years, do the migration in that time, and sell when they could get 5bn for it | 11:50 |
| directhex | popey, they should at least acknowledge the asset | 11:52 |
| directhex | popey, if not sell it now. i.e. say "yes, we have this, yes we know it has value, we dispute how easy it'd be to change to 10.0.0.0/8" | 11:53 |
| popey | ooh, hp have 15 and 16 | 11:55 |
| davmor2 | popey: don't mit or something like that have a couple too | 11:56 |
| popey | yeah | 11:56 |
| directhex | i'm sure HP need 32 million IPs | 11:56 |
| daubers | or we could transfer all public facing IP's to ipv6 already! | 11:58 |
| popey | i expect scandanavian countries to do that before we do | 11:58 |
| daubers | if I was BT I would have said FTTC only works with ipv6 | 11:59 |
| davmor2 | you would think that big UNIs would have enough geeks to update to ipv6 if they haven't already and sell the ipv4 address space on | 11:59 |
| shauno | I'd be very surprised to see anyone ditch their v4 allocations in the process | 12:00 |
| directhex | daubers, major ISPs won't start IPv6 migration for more than a decade. double-NAT will be the norm to deal with ISP-level exhaustion | 12:00 |
| daubers | hooray latency | 12:00 |
| daubers | I've been mightly tempted to jump ISP's recently to avoid double-NAT | 12:01 |
| xnox | directhex: yes HP needs 32 million IPs, they have just launched public cloud computing offering using those IPs. | 12:08 |
| directhex | xnox, better use case than DWP's 16 million.., | 12:09 |
| xnox | directhex: well, they were not doing anything with them up until a 1-2 years ago. They didn't have public cloud perspectives then. | 12:09 |
| xnox | directhex: africa should sell it's IPv4 and become rich.... then they will need more IPv4s and they will buy them back twice the price. dejavu?! | 12:12 |
| xnox | =( | 12:12 |
| xnox | I think fostering IPv4 market is a bad idea | 12:13 |
| xnox | IPs should not cost anything. | 12:13 |
| directhex | xnox, i want ipv4 to become prohibitively expensive. it's the only thing that will drive v6 migration | 12:14 |
| directhex | note: i want this to happen after i get a couple if private /25's or /26's for work | 12:14 |
| directhex | :p | 12:14 |
| * xnox giggles | 12:14 | |
| AlanBell | the bad situation would be if IPv4 is for "servers" and ipv6 is for "consumers" | 12:14 |
| directhex | AlanBell, the reverse will happen first | 12:14 |
| AlanBell | well putting servers on IPV6 means that not everyone can get to them | 12:15 |
| directhex | bridge all the things! | 12:16 |
| AlanBell | an ISP could turn on IPV6 for consumer connections (no idea why phones don't do this already) | 12:16 |
| directhex | AlanBell, i think big ISPs lack v6-capable core routers | 12:17 |
| directhex | AlanBell, i.e. no HW acceleration o v6, so couldn't cope with current load if s/v4/v6/ | 12:18 |
| daubers | AlanBell: some ISP's are already IPv6-ing all the things | 12:20 |
| ali1234 | if i have a static IPv4, can't I use 6to4 or something? | 12:45 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: that's just tunneling you can do that now without the need for a static ipv4 | 12:50 |
| ali1234 | "This memo specifies an optional interim mechanism for IPv6 sites to communicate with each other over the IPv4 network without explicit tunnel setup" | 12:50 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: oh interesting | 12:51 |
| livingdaylight | Microsoft trumped Amazon, eBay and other tech giants with its more than $1 billion purchase of the majority of AOL Inc's patent trove. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/09/us-aol-microsoft-idUSBRE83809X20120409 | 13:07 |
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| popey | livingdaylight, april... | 13:15 |
| davmor2 | popey: is it not US dating so 04 september | 13:17 |
| livingdaylight | popey: either, way, its bad news. They're back to their old bullying ways | 13:18 |
| popey | Mon Apr 9, 2012 4:43pm EDT | 13:18 |
| popey | from the article :) | 13:19 |
| livingdaylight | yea, I@m slow catching up on the news, I guess :) | 13:20 |
| ali1234 | so what patents did they get? | 13:21 |
| davmor2 | popey: ah /me goes back to sleep | 13:21 |
| ali1234 | year first is almost always y/m/d btw | 13:21 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: Yeah but Americans hate standards the rest of the world use ;) | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | the american standard is m/d/y though | 13:27 |
| ali1234 | not y/d/m | 13:27 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: but the rest of the world use d/m/y that was kinda my point :D | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | not really | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | the only internationally recognized standard is y/m/d | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 | 13:28 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: it was a joke chill out | 13:29 |
| mungojerry | all we know is that days are never in the middle | 13:30 |
| mungojerry | in sensible countries | 13:30 |
| shauno | you can't just pick on the yanks, belize use m/d/y too | 13:34 |
| davmor2 | shauno: you can't belize everything you read, sorry could resist | 13:41 |
| hoover | cheers all | 14:21 |
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| ali1234 | any idea where i might get "uclibc-crosstools-gcc-4.2.3-3_LFS.tar.bz2" | 15:40 |
| * AlanBell wonders whether to take the tube or a boris bike | 15:40 | |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: from where to where | 15:46 |
| einonm | ali1234: I assume google doesn't provide? | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | no | 15:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ali1234: CLFS? | 15:47 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That sounds lile a Cross-Linux From Scratch Project | 15:47 |
| einonm | you can build your own version using crosstool-ng | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | own version isn't good enough | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | i need the exact version | 15:47 |
| einonm | crosstool-ng should be able to build an exact version of what you want, surely? | 15:48 |
| ali1234 | how will i know if it is the same or not, if i don't have the original? | 15:49 |
| einonm | As far as the toolchain name will tell you - configure it for uclibc, gcc-4.2.3-3, and the target. Why do you need an exact version? | 15:53 |
| einonm | ...or, after a quick google, you could try irc.linuxfromscratch.org #cross-lfs ? | 15:55 |
| AlanBell | czajkowski: canary wharf to waterloo | 15:56 |
| czajkowski | tube | 15:56 |
| czajkowski | jubilee straight in | 15:56 |
| AlanBell | sure, but bike is more interesting | 15:56 |
| Laney | yeah, bike it | 15:57 |
| Laney | cyclestreets.net | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | einonm: i need the exact version because i need to build a module for a kernel binary | 15:58 |
| einonm | Ah, and this is a kernel binary that you didn't build yourself? If it's just a module, can you not build it natively? | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | not without a toolchain | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | and since it's an in-kernel module I have to rebuild the whole kernel | 16:00 |
| ali1234 | the resulting kernel binary needs to be binary identical though, so that i don't have to reflash | 16:00 |
| einonm | ERm, isn't that impossible? An 'in kernel module' is no longer a module. And any resulting binary won't be identical, by definition | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | in-tree | 16:01 |
| einonm | ali1234: I'm thinking this isn't the correct channel for your questions. Are you trying to hack something, which is why you can't re-flash? | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | always | 16:05 |
| einonm | protected bootloader? | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | no | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | not that it matters | 16:05 |
| einonm | It would matter for my next suggestion - go to the LFS website and build from scratch. It'll be easier to create your own toolchain and kernel to get the job done | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | you nuts? | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | i have the full GPL source release | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | it comes with a full build system | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | all you have to do is type "make image" | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | after supplying the necessary toolchain | 16:07 |
| einonm | great. Just use toolchain-ng to get a toolchain built then. | 16:08 |
| einonm | (toolchain-ng.org) | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | not to mention that if i do that i'll need to reflash the kernel and root filesystem with the new ones i just built, which is incredibly annoying | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | building the toolchain is out of the question because i don't have the source of it either | 16:09 |
| einonm | If you can access the bootloader, you should be able to run from an nfs or disk mounted kernel & root | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | why? | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | why woudld that be a good idea? | 16:09 |
| einonm | crosstool-ng gives you the toolchain souce | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | no it doesn't | 16:10 |
| einonm | it's a good idea, as it's less annoying | 16:10 |
| einonm | ali1234: Ok, I'm done here. Maybe you want to read the docs at crosstool-ng.org to perhaps see where you're getting muddled there | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | i think you are the one getting muddled. i don't see how i can compile a toolchain without the source of it! | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | there is absolutely no guarantee that the referenced toolchain download does not contain custom patches added by the vendor | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | as a result there is no way i can ever know if the resulting toolchain is actually the same or not | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | this is unacceptable | 16:17 |
| einonm | You build everything using the same toolchain, so you don't need to compare it with your unknown binary toolchain | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | not possible | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | the kernel requires proprietary binaries | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | they will only work with the exact kernel revision, compiled by the exact toolchain version, and nothing else | 16:18 |
| einonm | sorry, I don't offer support for proprietary code. | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | so basically you've just been wasting my time for the past half an hour? | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | it's a good thing i actually know what i'm doing :) | 16:19 |
| ali1234 | you'll note i never asked how to build my own toolchain, or rebuild the vendor kernel | 16:20 |
| einonm | My mistake, you didn't mention proprietary binaries at the beginning, and I assumed by 'full GPL source release' you had the full source. Best of luck in your search. | 16:31 |
| czajkowski | ali1234: people have only been trying to help you today, there is no need to be so short with them | 16:48 |
| * popey spies mgdm mentioned in http headers | 16:55 | |
| popey | $ curl -I http://local.stv.tv/edinburgh/190640-scottish-defence-league-told-they-cannot-hold-rally-in-edinburgh/ | grep Team | 16:55 |
| popey | X-Team-BE: @weejames, @mgdm, @skippychalmers, @calummackenzie, @automatical | 16:55 |
| popey | :) | 16:55 |
| popey | I will take the opportunity to rant at mgdm for the demented auto-starting video in the corner of the pages on stv.tv | 16:56 |
| mgdm | Oh, not again | 16:57 |
| mgdm | popey: heh, you're the first person to notice that :-) Though I do wonder why! | 16:58 |
| popey | :D | 16:59 |
| popey | friend of mine wondered why when he pastes an stv url to a story, like the one above, the bot in the irc channel always gets the wrong headline | 16:59 |
| popey | so i used curl -I to look at the headers and saw that | 17:00 |
| popey | made me chuckle | 17:00 |
| mgdm | :D | 17:01 |
| mgdm | that is a bit weird, though | 17:01 |
| taras | :o | 17:01 |
| mgdm | I suspect the bot is maybe latching on to a random <h1> | 17:02 |
| taras | it was me asking why the bot was returning the wrong title | 17:02 |
| mgdm | the HTML uses <article> entries for the lists, which then each have their own <h1> | 17:02 |
| mgdm | o/ taras | 17:02 |
| taras | also wondering why it autoplays a video *every time I want to read a news story*, but that's another matter :) | 17:03 |
| MartijnVdS | because you haven't uninstalled flash? ;) | 17:03 |
| MartijnVdS | or set it to "click to play" | 17:03 |
| mgdm | it woudl actually not matter if you did | 17:03 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: it's <video> ? | 17:04 |
| brobostigon | whats the keyboard shortcut to bring back gnome-terminal's menu bar.? | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | F10? | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | Alt+F10? | 17:04 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: :) thank you, worked. | 17:05 |
| mgdm | MartijnVdS: it detects one or t'other | 17:05 |
| MartijnVdS | can't you make <video> click to play as well? | 17:06 |
| MartijnVdS | using some kind of extension | 17:07 |
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| b1ackcr0w | arrrggg! late! Watchin c4 talking about Poundland being lying bastards | 19:14 |
| b1ackcr0w | Not to mention... | 19:14 |
| b1ackcr0w | they don't sell... | 19:14 |
| b1ackcr0w | BUM WHITE! | 19:15 |
| b1ackcr0w | Bum White! Buy a tube, and take it home for FREE! | 19:16 |
| davmor2 | b1ackcr0w: you know this is a family channel right | 19:17 |
| b1ackcr0w | I'm so sorry. I thought I was in the Linux Outlaws channel | 19:18 |
| b1ackcr0w | major ooooops | 19:18 |
| b1ackcr0w | FWIW - I did get a colleague to install 12.04 on all his home machines this week... | 19:20 |
| popey | :) | 19:21 |
| * zleap is now on 12.04 | 19:23 | |
| zleap | well lubuntu but being able to create a new doc from right click is great | 19:23 |
| zleap | is there a way to make top not refresh so fast so i can actually follow the line across to see which pid to kill | 19:58 |
| zleap | ok man top reveals top -d | 20:00 |
| zleap | can then specify pid | 20:00 |
| zleap | within the k option once running | 20:00 |
| AlanBell | directhex: http://blog.jgc.org/2012/09/the-uk-has-entire-unused-ipv4-8-that-is.html new comments (including one calling you a cretin!) | 20:15 |
| Azelphur | ali1234 / popey latest news from pirate http://pastebin.com/DVNsx7xz if your interested xD | 20:16 |
| Azelphur | that stuff at the bottom seems real dodgy | 20:16 |
| BigRedS | Gotta say I agree with the idea of waiting until there's an actual market for it | 20:16 |
| popey | ho ho ho | 20:17 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: well there will be a window of opportunity for selling IPv4 space I guess | 20:19 |
| AlanBell | at some point in the future it will be worthless as everyone will be on IPv6 (even if that is 20+ years it will one day happen) | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: please, he's obviously stalling, just like the whole thing was obviously dodgy months ago | 20:20 |
| Azelphur | hehe, perhaps | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | and on the IP address note, i fail to see why deploying a firewall is a bad thing? | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | just because you can't ping an address doesn't mean it is not in use | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | if you could reach those machines you'd all be crying about how government IT is terrible and can't do security properly | 20:23 |
| AlanBell | there was a question about whether any of them were in use, it would appear that they are, which is fine | 20:25 |
| AlanBell | bet they are not using all of the class A though | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | no, almost certainly not | 20:25 |
| AlanBell | they could presumably just sell class B blocks | 20:26 |
| AlanBell | bit like the wireless spectrum auctions | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | it does look rather like the whole block is unroutable | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | what do you mean by that? | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | well, try a traceroute | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | it will only go a couple of hops | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | that means that it's not simply firewalled | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | your ISP literally doesn't know where to send packets for those addresses | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | which means the machines are likely not connected to the internet at all | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | or if they are, they are behind nat | 20:31 |
| AlanBell | I see | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | i notice the MOD has one as well | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | so, they can see out via nat, as if they were on 10.0.0.0/8 but their nat router is somewhere outside of 51 | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | i'm sure hey could just share it | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | if they did nothing and sold the whole thing then they wouldn't be able to see sites using the new addresses (probably) | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | actually they use multiple levels of nasty proxys so it might well be workable | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | continuing to use the addresses and also selling them is not workable | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | unless they are only used on machines which are not connected to the internet at all | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | it is a bad idea, but it is workable | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | in whch case they can use whatever IPs they want on those | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | no, it isn't workable | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | I had a customer that picked a random address range for their internal machines, they had no idea that 10 and 192.168 were special | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | it might work, in some circumstances, but it is not workable, because it will fail in unpredictable and unexpected ways in others | 20:36 |
| AlanBell | but they used a proxy server and the proxy server was configured to cope with it | 20:36 |
| AlanBell | so they could see sites using their internal addresses and the proxy would look outwards for the site | 20:36 |
| AlanBell | but yeah, that is daft and wrong | 20:37 |
| popey | http://blog.modernmechanix.com/gain-weight-stop-being-skinny-and-tired/ saw that and thought of mungojerry | 20:37 |
| AlanBell | heh, nice. None of the images on it are particularly plump though | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | hmm actually | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | they aren't unroutable | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | just that nothing after the firewall returns traces | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | so it's plausible that they are all in use in a way that would make it very difficult indeed to change | 20:46 |
| Azelphur | Is 802.11n faster than USB2? | 20:51 |
| Azelphur | (ie, should I get a USB 3 adapter) | 20:51 |
| Azelphur | seems like usb 2 is 480mbits, so I'm guessing not :P | 20:52 |
| Seeker` | 'USB3 adapter'? | 20:53 |
| Azelphur | Seeker`: wifi usb adapters, was thinking if usb 2 would bottleneck 802.11n | 20:53 |
| Seeker` | ah | 20:53 |
| Seeker` | have seen routers claiming ridiculous speeds for wireless n | 20:54 |
| Azelphur | more than 480? o.O | 20:54 |
| Seeker` | never managed to reach those speeds over a PCI card :P | 20:54 |
| Azelphur | ah apparently 802.11n caps out at 600mbits | 20:54 |
| Seeker` | yup | 20:54 |
| Azelphur | fun | 20:55 |
| AlanBell | not going to happen | 20:57 |
| YaManicKill | ac supports >1Gb | 20:57 |
| YaManicKill | but if we are talking about bottlenecking... | 20:57 |
| YaManicKill | I saw a gigabit ethernet usb 2.0 adapter | 20:58 |
| YaManicKill | kinda pointless :-P | 20:58 |
| * bittin is gonna book a december trip to the UK | 21:53 | |
| Laney | awesome | 21:53 |
| Laney | don't just stay in London though! | 21:54 |
| bittin | Laney, hmm okay :p | 21:54 |
| bittin | only going for 4days to London, might go longer in 2012 :p | 21:54 |
| Laney | boo | 21:54 |
| brobostigon | good night everyone, sleep well. | 21:54 |
| Laney | there's so much more than london | 21:54 |
| bittin | when my friend moved there and i have somewhere to stay | 21:54 |
| bittin | Laney, yeah might explore that later | 21:55 |
| bittin | will go longer in 2013 and might even move there | 21:59 |
| * bigcalm looks about the mad house | 21:59 | |
| bigcalm | Whose going to the happy hour this weekend in Farnham? | 21:59 |
| pinky- | I prefer Alton | 22:00 |
| bigcalm | I'm practising my drinking right now | 22:01 |
| AlanBell | Alton is good too | 22:01 |
| pinky- | as went to school at Eggars once apon a time | 22:01 |
| bittin | damn i get money tommorow, this month for some reason | 22:01 |
| Laney | mmm money | 22:01 |
| pinky- | the mother of my two sons, her first name was Jackie, used to be a landlady of a pub in Alton, but I forget the name of the pub | 22:04 |
| pinky- | I'll ask tomorrow | 22:05 |
| popey | http://www.gizchina.com/2012/09/17/5-things-we-know-about-the-oppo-find-5/ | 22:07 |
| popey | i want that running ubuntu | 22:07 |
| YaManicKill | ubuntu phone? or ubuntu for android? | 22:08 |
| popey | personally, I'd rather have an Ubuntu Phone, but U4A if you're buying :) | 22:08 |
| YaManicKill | heh | 22:08 |
| bittin | ah need to pay via credit card on Norwegian so i have to wait until tommorow | 22:08 |
| YaManicKill | I actually really like the idea of U4A | 22:08 |
| popey | you are not alone | 22:09 |
| YaManicKill | especially when you start thinking about the padfone | 22:09 |
| AlanBell | the manufacturers should like it too, not sure why it has been so quiet | 22:09 |
| YaManicKill | padfone with tablet dock + laptop dock + desktop dock + U4A ... with tegra 3 processor, and 4G... | 22:09 |
| YaManicKill | for people that don't game, and don't do video/photo editing on a large scale...it'd be all they would need | 22:10 |
| AlanBell | more people play games on phones than on computers | 22:10 |
| AlanBell | probably | 22:10 |
| YaManicKill | ha | 22:10 |
| YaManicKill | oh, I just pressed "j" on google reader...and look what appeared | 22:11 |
| YaManicKill | http://androidcommunity.com/asus-padfone-2-benchmark-leaks-with-quad-core-in-tow-20120917/ | 22:11 |
| popey | i have a wii and xbox360 and pc, and i play games on iphone and ipad _daily_ | 22:11 |
| YaManicKill | that was quite handy ;-) | 22:11 |
| popey | I suspect I am not alone in this | 22:11 |
| YaManicKill | yeah | 22:14 |
| YaManicKill | I don't game on my computer much anymore tbh... | 22:14 |
| YaManicKill | I'm not massively bothered about higher and higher resolutions | 22:14 |
| bigcalm | Hayley has become hooked on solitaire on my iPad. I think I've lost this one, better start looking for a new lady | 22:17 |
| ahayzen | Evening guys.....got Uni internet working :).... i remember an option to stop disks spinning down does tht still exist somewhere on Ubuntu? Thanks Andy | 22:20 |
| pinky- | I like Alton because there's a lot of parsley there | 22:20 |
| AlanBell | ahayzen: yes, hdparm options can do that | 22:20 |
| ahayzen | thought it was in default...did it get removed in GNOME settings reshuffle? | 22:21 |
| AlanBell | sudo hdparm -S 2 /dev/sda might do it | 22:21 |
| AlanBell | nothing to do with gnome | 22:22 |
| ahayzen | ...the reason i want to stop spin down is i've got a Hybrid drive SSD+HDD so stopping spin down will stop the HDD from spinning down ..correct? | 22:22 |
| AlanBell | oh, you want it to stop spinning down | 22:22 |
| ahayzen | yh | 22:22 |
| AlanBell | err in that case a bigger number :) | 22:22 |
| AlanBell | 2 is 10 seconds I think | 22:23 |
| AlanBell | personally with that drive I would let it sort itself out | 22:23 |
| ahayzen | basically when u leave the lappy or a bit it spins down the HDD...but adds more wear when it has to spin up i would rather use more power...what do you think? | 22:23 |
| ahayzen | *for a bit | 22:24 |
| AlanBell | I would let it just get on with things | 22:24 |
| ahayzen | ok think i'll leave it as it is for now then :) | 22:24 |
| ahayzen | it is the System76 panp9 best laptop ever so far :)....none of tht rubbish u get on windows laptops ;) | 22:25 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell, anyway, Thanks for your prompt and useful response as usual :) | 22:26 |
| AlanBell | so did you import it? | 22:27 |
| ahayzen | yep | 22:27 |
| AlanBell | no £ on shift 3 then? | 22:27 |
| ahayzen | like ~$100 delivery charge.... then + 20%tax | 22:27 |
| ahayzen | well they have a UK keyboard option now :) | 22:27 |
| AlanBell | interesting | 22:28 |
| ahayzen | just gave the UPS man a cheque to pay for the tax | 22:28 |
| bigcalm | Sleeeeeeeeep | 22:29 |
| ahayzen | AlanBell, 'International UK Keyboard Layout - Including Pound, Euro, and Alt GR keys ( + $33.00 )' | 22:29 |
| AlanBell | so it is | 22:29 |
| ahayzen | and the ship u the US keyboard in the box which is a nice touch as u have paid for it effectively | 22:29 |
| AlanBell | very nice | 22:30 |
| ahayzen | *they ship....getting used to new keyboard lol | 22:30 |
| bittin | 2-5th Dec, bittin goes to UK and prolly going there sometime Feb/March 2013 aswell | 22:30 |
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