[00:02] <ali1234> to do it i must #define XLIB_ILLEGAL_ACCESS
[00:06] <ali1234> YEAH
[00:06] <ali1234> pepper flash on google chrome: fixed
[02:09] <Azelphur> is it just me or does BT infinity have a lot better penetration than I think it does
[05:19] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[06:38] <knightwise> hey TheOpenSourcerer
[06:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> meauning
[06:38] <knightwise> hey bootlkhtg
[06:39] <knightwise> how are you doing today $
[07:31] <christel> morning
[07:33] <hoover_> morning all
[07:34] <knightwise> hey hoover_
[07:57] <Monotoko> mornin' all! :)
[07:58] <hoover> mornin Monotoko, knightwise
[07:59] <mattt> morning all
[08:09] <diplo> Morning all
[08:34] <JamesTait> Hello, world! :)
[08:34] <world> Hi JamesTait
[08:35] <JamesTait> daubers: :-P
[08:36] <christel> JamesTait, daubers \o/
[08:37] <JamesTait> christel: \o/
[08:50] <hoover> Has anyone had success connecting to an exchange 2010 server using fetchmail and IMAPS with GSSAPI / kerberos?
[08:50] <hoover> our local support are pulling their collective hair out over this
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:28] <hoover> morning brobostigon
[09:28] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[09:55] <mungojerry> my hp touchpad tablet got smashed :(
[09:56] <brobostigon> :(
[09:57] <mungojerry> it's the glass screen, so maybe i can revive it. the lcd is OK
[09:57] <popey> oops
[09:57] <popey> how'd that happen?
[09:57] <mungojerry> http://ubuntuone.com/3JEOUrmks9U1IA04qKGCFU
[09:58] <popey> Oops-ID: OOPS-1569a612c39544928565b52d69b70b81
[09:58] <popey> refresh worked
[09:58] <popey> odd
[09:58] <YaManicKill> that was the same for me, popey
[09:58] <YaManicKill> maybe it hadn't finished uploading when we first looked at it?
[09:58] <YaManicKill> that's not *too* bad a crack...I've seen much worse
[09:58] <mungojerry> wife had an accident, put in on the bed while charging, must have slipped off the bed, then a bowl fell on it
[09:59] <mungojerry> i can read stuff ok
[09:59] <mungojerry> but it makes me sad to use it
[09:59] <YaManicKill> yeah
[10:00] <popey> is it under warranty?
[10:00] <mungojerry> warranty won't fix accidental damage
[10:00] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Digitizer-Touch-Screen-Glass-Front-Panel-Lens-Replacement-for-HP-Touchpad-/310405990459?pt=Other_Tablet_eReader_Accessories&hash=item4845a3883b
[10:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:00] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Tactil-Ecran-Pantalla-Replacement-Repair-for-HP-TouchPad-/200777086042?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item2ebf3f345a
[10:01] <popey> loads of them
[10:01] <mungojerry> yeah, the first link is what i'm buying
[10:01] <mungojerry> however the process is tricky since it uses adhesive
[10:01] <mungojerry> and getting the shards off is fiddly work
[10:01] <mungojerry> even opeining the case can cause damage (thanks HP)
[10:02] <popey> house insurance?
[10:02] <mungojerry> meh, i'll just fix it
[10:06] <livingdaylight> Just discovered a cool Android app: WeTap: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mdc.wetap Just emailed them to request to make this a global project
[10:07] <mungojerry> hmm my mouse pointer is moving under the menus instead of over them ..weird
[10:12] <davmor2> popey: thanks for the bug on cancel app install
[10:12] <popey> np
[10:14] <daubers> Asterisk question for people, can anyone recommend an ISDN card for both ISDN2e and ISDN30e?
[10:18] <davmor2> daubers: have you had a look on the Asterisk site for hardware recommendations?
[10:18] <daubers> davmor2: Yeah, funnily enough they recommend the digium stuff at $Lots
[10:28] <directhex> My petition for the DWP to sell 51.0.0.0/8 was published. Sign! http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38744
[10:39] <daubers> directhex: done!
[10:41] <diplo> I need to enable local-infile on my 12.04 machine
[10:41] <diplo> for mysql *
[10:41] <diplo> I've read I need to add local-infile=1 to [mysql] & [mysqld]
[10:42] <diplo> It works sometimes but fails others... anyone got any ideas ?
[10:44] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you about
[10:50] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ello...
[10:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello
[10:51] <czajkowski> herro
[11:07] <awilkins> Is it just me or is it virtually impossible to get gawk to read tab-separated files properly?
[11:08] <awilkins> The manual lies blatantly about --traditional -Ft being the arguments for tabs
[11:08] <awilkins> Doesn't work
[11:09] <Laney> isn't it something like -F $'\t'
[11:09] <Laney> and set OFS if you want to output with tabs too
[11:09] <awilkins> Doesn't work for me... scoured the forums, stackoverflow, etc
[11:10] <awilkins> Don't know if it's a peculiarity of gawk vs mawk (the default awk for Ubuntu)
[11:10]  * awilkins considers it might be join at fault
[11:10] <awilkins> Hmm, may be user error
[11:11] <awilkins> Aha
[11:11] <awilkins> Am joining files
[11:11] <awilkins> Join is not outputting tabs unless you tell it to. I am dufus.
[11:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Duly signed too.
[11:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> If anyone needs some moar amo for their boss to consider FOSS: http://www.amadeus.com/blog/17/09/open-for-business/ well written white paper by Amadeus.
[11:31] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I don't believe you he died ages ago I've seen the film ;)
[11:43]  * pinky- sings Amadeus Amadeus, oh oh oh Amadeus Come and rock me Amadeus
[11:44] <popey> directhex, you should petition xerox to give up their 13.0.0.0/8 too :) (good luck with that)
[11:45] <directhex> popey, xerox don't answer to me. the government does :p
[11:46] <popey> heh
[11:46] <popey> their 13. addresses are hard wired all over the place
[11:46] <popey> wouldn't be surprised if DWP did same
[11:46] <davmor2> directhex: you should stop partitioning for legacy ip infrastructure and start partitioning for everyone to move to ipv6 though surely :D
[11:47] <davmor2> petitioning even
[11:47] <davmor2> I was close it sounded right in my head anyway
[11:47] <AlanBell> but DWP should take the cash
[11:48] <directhex> davmor2, i'm a realist
[11:48] <directhex> AlanBell, exactly
[11:49] <directhex> davmor2, the government has a "useless" asset, why not sell it?
[11:49] <davmor2> directhex: Hence the :D
[11:49] <directhex> popey, i had a NAS box once hardcoded to 1.1.1.1 by default @_@
[11:50] <popey> as pointed out in another irc channel, maybe they should wait 5 years, do the migration in that time, and sell when they could get 5bn for it
[11:52] <directhex> popey, they should at least acknowledge the asset
[11:53] <directhex> popey, if not sell it now. i.e. say "yes, we have this, yes we know it has value, we dispute how easy it'd be to change to 10.0.0.0/8"
[11:55] <popey> ooh, hp have 15 and 16
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: don't mit or something like that have a couple too
[11:56] <popey> yeah
[11:56] <directhex> i'm sure HP need 32 million IPs
[11:58] <daubers> or we could transfer all public facing IP's to ipv6 already!
[11:58] <popey> i expect scandanavian countries to do that before we do
[11:59] <daubers> if I was BT I would have said FTTC only works with ipv6
[11:59] <davmor2> you would think that big UNIs would have enough geeks to update to ipv6 if they haven't already and sell the ipv4 address space on
[12:00] <shauno> I'd be very surprised to see anyone ditch their v4 allocations in the process
[12:00] <directhex> daubers, major ISPs won't start IPv6 migration for more than a decade. double-NAT will be the norm to deal with ISP-level exhaustion
[12:00] <daubers> hooray latency
[12:01] <daubers> I've been mightly tempted to jump ISP's recently to avoid double-NAT
[12:08] <xnox> directhex: yes HP needs 32 million IPs, they have just launched public cloud computing offering using those IPs.
[12:09] <directhex> xnox, better use case than DWP's 16 million..,
[12:09] <xnox> directhex: well, they were not doing anything with them up until a 1-2 years ago. They didn't have public cloud perspectives then.
[12:12] <xnox> directhex: africa should sell it's IPv4 and become rich.... then they will need more IPv4s and they will buy them back twice the price. dejavu?!
[12:12] <xnox> =(
[12:13] <xnox> I think fostering IPv4 market is a bad idea
[12:13] <xnox> IPs should not cost anything.
[12:14] <directhex> xnox, i want ipv4 to become prohibitively expensive. it's the only thing that will drive v6 migration
[12:14] <directhex> note: i want this to happen after i get a couple if private /25's or /26's for work
[12:14] <directhex> :p
[12:14]  * xnox giggles
[12:14] <AlanBell> the bad situation would be if IPv4 is for "servers" and ipv6 is for "consumers"
[12:14] <directhex> AlanBell, the reverse will happen first
[12:15] <AlanBell> well putting servers on IPV6 means that not everyone can get to them
[12:16] <directhex> bridge all the things!
[12:16] <AlanBell> an ISP could turn on IPV6 for consumer connections (no idea why phones don't do this already)
[12:17] <directhex> AlanBell, i think big ISPs lack v6-capable core routers
[12:18] <directhex> AlanBell, i.e. no HW acceleration o v6, so couldn't cope with current load if s/v4/v6/
[12:20] <daubers> AlanBell: some ISP's are already IPv6-ing all the things
[12:45] <ali1234> if i have a static IPv4, can't I use 6to4 or something?
[12:50] <davmor2> ali1234: that's just tunneling you can do that now without the need for a static ipv4
[12:50] <ali1234> "This memo specifies an optional interim mechanism for IPv6 sites to    communicate with each other over the IPv4 network without explicit    tunnel setup"
[12:51] <davmor2> ali1234: oh interesting
[13:07] <livingdaylight> Microsoft trumped Amazon, eBay and other tech giants with its more than $1 billion purchase of the majority of AOL Inc's patent trove. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/09/us-aol-microsoft-idUSBRE83809X20120409
[13:15] <popey> livingdaylight, april...
[13:17] <davmor2> popey: is it not US dating so 04 september
[13:18] <livingdaylight> popey: either, way, its bad news. They're back to their old bullying ways
[13:18] <popey> Mon Apr 9, 2012 4:43pm EDT
[13:19] <popey> from the article :)
[13:20] <livingdaylight> yea, I@m slow catching up on the news, I guess :)
[13:21] <ali1234> so what patents did they get?
[13:21] <davmor2> popey: ah /me goes back to sleep
[13:21] <ali1234> year first is almost always y/m/d btw
[13:26] <davmor2> ali1234: Yeah but Americans hate standards the rest of the world use ;)
[13:27] <ali1234> the american standard is m/d/y though
[13:27] <ali1234> not y/d/m
[13:28] <davmor2> ali1234: but the rest of the world use d/m/y that was kinda my point :D
[13:28] <ali1234> not really
[13:28] <ali1234> the only internationally recognized standard is y/m/d
[13:28] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
[13:29] <davmor2> ali1234: it was a joke chill out
[13:30] <mungojerry> all we know is that days are never in the middle
[13:30] <mungojerry> in sensible countries
[13:34] <shauno> you can't just pick on the yanks, belize use m/d/y too
[13:41] <davmor2> shauno: you can't belize everything you read, sorry could resist
[14:21] <hoover> cheers all
[15:40] <ali1234> any idea where i might get "uclibc-crosstools-gcc-4.2.3-3_LFS.tar.bz2"
[15:40]  * AlanBell wonders whether to take the tube or a boris bike
[15:46] <czajkowski> AlanBell: from where to where
[15:47] <einonm> ali1234: I assume google doesn't provide?
[15:47] <ali1234> no
[15:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> ali1234: CLFS?
[15:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> That sounds lile a Cross-Linux From Scratch Project
[15:47] <einonm> you can build your own version using crosstool-ng
[15:47] <ali1234> own version isn't good enough
[15:47] <ali1234> i need the exact version
[15:48] <einonm> crosstool-ng should be able to build an exact version of what you want, surely?
[15:49] <ali1234> how will i know if it is the same or not, if i don't have the original?
[15:53] <einonm> As far as the toolchain name will tell you - configure it for uclibc, gcc-4.2.3-3, and the target.  Why do you need an exact version?
[15:55] <einonm> ...or, after a quick google, you could try irc.linuxfromscratch.org #cross-lfs ?
[15:56] <AlanBell> czajkowski: canary wharf to waterloo
[15:56] <czajkowski> tube
[15:56] <czajkowski> jubilee straight in
[15:56] <AlanBell> sure, but bike is more interesting
[15:57] <Laney> yeah, bike it
[15:57] <Laney> cyclestreets.net
[15:58] <ali1234> einonm: i need the exact version because i need to build a module for a kernel binary
[15:59] <einonm> Ah, and this is a kernel binary that you didn't build yourself? If it's just a module, can you not build it natively?
[15:59] <ali1234> not without a toolchain
[16:00] <ali1234> and since it's an in-kernel module I have to rebuild the whole kernel
[16:00] <ali1234> the resulting kernel binary needs to be binary identical though, so that i don't have to reflash
[16:01] <einonm> ERm, isn't that impossible? An 'in kernel module' is no longer a module. And any resulting binary won't be identical, by definition
[16:01] <ali1234> in-tree
[16:05] <einonm> ali1234: I'm thinking this isn't the correct channel for your questions. Are you trying to hack something, which is why you can't re-flash?
[16:05] <ali1234> always
[16:05] <einonm> protected bootloader?
[16:05] <ali1234> no
[16:05] <ali1234> not that it matters
[16:07] <einonm> It would matter for my next suggestion - go to the LFS website and build from scratch. It'll be easier to create your own toolchain and kernel to get the job done
[16:07] <ali1234> you nuts?
[16:07] <ali1234> i have the full GPL source release
[16:07] <ali1234> it comes with a full build system
[16:07] <ali1234> all you have to do is type "make image"
[16:07] <ali1234> after supplying the necessary toolchain
[16:08] <einonm> great. Just use toolchain-ng to get a toolchain built then.
[16:08] <einonm> (toolchain-ng.org)
[16:08] <ali1234> not to mention that if i do that i'll need to reflash the kernel and root filesystem with the new ones i just built, which is incredibly annoying
[16:09] <ali1234> building the toolchain is out of the question because i don't have the source of it either
[16:09] <einonm> If you can access the bootloader, you should be able to run from an nfs or disk mounted kernel & root
[16:09] <ali1234> why?
[16:09] <ali1234> why woudld that be a good idea?
[16:10] <einonm> crosstool-ng gives you the toolchain souce
[16:10] <ali1234> no it doesn't
[16:10] <einonm> it's a good idea, as it's less annoying
[16:15] <einonm> ali1234: Ok, I'm done here. Maybe you want to read the docs at crosstool-ng.org to perhaps see where you're getting muddled there
[16:16] <ali1234> i think you are the one getting muddled. i don't see how i can compile a toolchain without the source of it!
[16:16] <ali1234> there is absolutely no guarantee that the referenced toolchain download does not contain custom patches added by the vendor
[16:17] <ali1234> as a result there is no way i can ever know if the resulting toolchain is actually the same or not
[16:17] <ali1234> this is unacceptable
[16:17] <einonm> You build everything using the same toolchain, so you don't need to compare it with your unknown binary toolchain
[16:18] <ali1234> not possible
[16:18] <ali1234> the kernel requires proprietary binaries
[16:18] <ali1234> they will only work with the exact kernel revision, compiled by the exact toolchain version, and nothing else
[16:18] <einonm> sorry, I don't offer support for proprietary code.
[16:19] <ali1234> so basically you've just been wasting my time for the past half an hour?
[16:19] <ali1234> it's a good thing i actually know what i'm doing :)
[16:20] <ali1234> you'll note i never asked how to build my own toolchain, or rebuild the vendor kernel
[16:31] <einonm> My mistake, you didn't mention proprietary binaries at the beginning, and I assumed by 'full GPL source release' you had the full source. Best of luck in your search.
[16:48] <czajkowski> ali1234: people have only been trying to help you today, there is no need to be so short with them
[16:55]  * popey spies mgdm mentioned in http headers
[16:55] <popey> $ curl -I http://local.stv.tv/edinburgh/190640-scottish-defence-league-told-they-cannot-hold-rally-in-edinburgh/ | grep Team
[16:55] <popey> X-Team-BE: @weejames, @mgdm, @skippychalmers, @calummackenzie, @automatical
[16:55] <popey> :)
[16:56] <popey> I will take the opportunity to rant at mgdm for the demented auto-starting video in the corner of the pages on stv.tv
[16:57] <mgdm> Oh, not again
[16:58] <mgdm> popey: heh, you're the first person to notice that :-) Though I do wonder why!
[16:59] <popey> :D
[16:59] <popey> friend of mine wondered why when he pastes an stv url to a story, like the one above, the bot in the irc channel always gets the wrong headline
[17:00] <popey> so i used curl -I to look at the headers and saw that
[17:00] <popey> made me chuckle
[17:01] <mgdm> :D
[17:01] <mgdm> that is a bit weird, though
[17:01] <taras> :o
[17:02] <mgdm> I suspect the bot is maybe latching on to a random <h1>
[17:02] <taras> it was me asking why the bot was returning the wrong title
[17:02] <mgdm> the HTML uses <article> entries for the lists, which then each have their own <h1>
[17:02] <mgdm> o/ taras
[17:03] <taras> also wondering why it autoplays a video *every time I want to read a news story*, but that's another matter :)
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> because you haven't uninstalled flash? ;)
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> or set it to "click to play"
[17:03] <mgdm> it woudl actually not matter if you did
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: it's <video> ?
[17:04] <brobostigon> whats the keyboard shortcut to bring back gnome-terminal's menu bar.?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> F10?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> Alt+F10?
[17:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :) thank you, worked.
[17:05] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: it detects one or t'other
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> can't you make <video> click to play as well?
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> using some kind of extension
[19:14] <b1ackcr0w> arrrggg! late! Watchin c4 talking about Poundland being lying bastards
[19:14] <b1ackcr0w> Not to mention...
[19:14] <b1ackcr0w> they don't sell...
[19:15] <b1ackcr0w> BUM WHITE!
[19:16] <b1ackcr0w> Bum White! Buy a tube, and take it home for FREE!
[19:17] <davmor2> b1ackcr0w: you know this is a family channel right
[19:18] <b1ackcr0w> I'm so sorry. I thought I was in the Linux Outlaws channel
[19:18] <b1ackcr0w> major ooooops
[19:20] <b1ackcr0w> FWIW - I did get a colleague to install 12.04 on all his home machines this week...
[19:21] <popey> :)
[19:23]  * zleap is now on 12.04
[19:23] <zleap> well lubuntu but being able to create a new doc from right click is great
[19:58] <zleap> is there a way to make top not refresh so fast so i can actually follow the line across to see which pid to kill
[20:00] <zleap> ok man top reveals top -d
[20:00] <zleap> can then specify pid
[20:00] <zleap> within the k option once running
[20:15] <AlanBell> directhex: http://blog.jgc.org/2012/09/the-uk-has-entire-unused-ipv4-8-that-is.html new comments (including one calling you a cretin!)
[20:16] <Azelphur> ali1234 / popey latest news from pirate http://pastebin.com/DVNsx7xz if your interested xD
[20:16] <Azelphur> that stuff at the bottom seems real dodgy
[20:16] <BigRedS> Gotta say I agree with the idea of waiting until there's an actual market for it
[20:17] <popey> ho ho ho
[20:19] <AlanBell> BigRedS: well there will be a window of opportunity for selling IPv4 space I guess
[20:20] <AlanBell> at some point in the future it will be worthless as everyone will be on IPv6 (even if that is 20+ years it will one day happen)
[20:20] <ali1234> Azelphur: please, he's obviously stalling, just like the whole thing was obviously dodgy months ago
[20:22] <Azelphur> hehe, perhaps
[20:23] <ali1234> and on the IP address note, i fail to see why deploying a firewall is a bad thing?
[20:23] <ali1234> just because you can't ping an address doesn't mean it is not in use
[20:23] <ali1234> if you could reach those machines you'd all be crying about how government IT is terrible and can't do security properly
[20:25] <AlanBell> there was a question about whether any of them were in use, it would appear that they are, which is fine
[20:25] <AlanBell> bet they are not using all of the class A though
[20:25] <ali1234> no, almost certainly not
[20:26] <AlanBell> they could presumably just sell class B blocks
[20:26] <AlanBell> bit like the wireless spectrum auctions
[20:28] <ali1234> it does look rather like the whole block is unroutable
[20:29] <AlanBell> what do you mean by that?
[20:30] <ali1234> well, try a traceroute
[20:30] <ali1234> it will only go a couple of hops
[20:30] <ali1234> that means that it's not simply firewalled
[20:30] <ali1234> your ISP literally doesn't know where to send packets for those addresses
[20:30] <ali1234> which means the machines are likely not connected to the internet at all
[20:31] <ali1234> or if they are, they are behind nat
[20:32] <AlanBell> I see
[20:33] <ali1234> i notice the MOD has one as well
[20:33] <AlanBell> so, they can see out via nat, as if they were on 10.0.0.0/8 but their nat router is somewhere outside of 51
[20:33] <ali1234> i'm sure hey could just share it
[20:34] <AlanBell> if they did nothing and sold the whole thing then they wouldn't be able to see sites using the new addresses (probably)
[20:34] <AlanBell> actually they use multiple levels of nasty proxys so it might well be workable
[20:34] <ali1234> continuing to use the addresses and also selling them is not workable
[20:35] <ali1234> unless they are only used on machines which are not connected to the internet at all
[20:35] <AlanBell> it is a bad idea, but it is workable
[20:35] <ali1234> in whch case they can use whatever IPs they want on those
[20:35] <ali1234> no, it isn't workable
[20:35] <AlanBell> I had a customer that picked a random address range for their internal machines, they had no idea that 10 and 192.168 were special
[20:36] <ali1234> it might work, in some circumstances, but it is not workable, because it will fail in unpredictable and unexpected ways in others
[20:36] <AlanBell> but they used a proxy server and the proxy server was configured to cope with it
[20:36] <AlanBell> so they could see sites using their internal addresses and the proxy would look outwards for the site
[20:37] <AlanBell> but yeah, that is daft and wrong
[20:37] <popey> http://blog.modernmechanix.com/gain-weight-stop-being-skinny-and-tired/  saw that and thought of mungojerry
[20:40] <AlanBell> heh, nice. None of the images on it are particularly plump though
[20:44] <ali1234> hmm actually
[20:44] <ali1234> they aren't unroutable
[20:45] <ali1234> just that nothing after the firewall returns traces
[20:46] <ali1234> so it's plausible that they are all in use in a way that would make it very difficult indeed to change
[20:51] <Azelphur> Is 802.11n faster than USB2?
[20:51] <Azelphur> (ie, should I get a USB 3 adapter)
[20:52] <Azelphur> seems like usb 2 is 480mbits, so I'm guessing not :P
[20:53] <Seeker`> 'USB3 adapter'?
[20:53] <Azelphur> Seeker`: wifi usb adapters, was thinking if usb 2 would bottleneck 802.11n
[20:53] <Seeker`> ah
[20:54] <Seeker`> have seen routers claiming ridiculous speeds for wireless n
[20:54] <Azelphur> more than 480? o.O
[20:54] <Seeker`> never managed to reach those speeds over a PCI card :P
[20:54] <Azelphur> ah apparently 802.11n caps out at 600mbits
[20:54] <Seeker`> yup
[20:55] <Azelphur> fun
[20:57] <AlanBell> not going to happen
[20:57] <YaManicKill> ac supports >1Gb
[20:57] <YaManicKill> but if we are talking about bottlenecking...
[20:58] <YaManicKill> I saw a gigabit ethernet usb 2.0 adapter
[20:58] <YaManicKill> kinda pointless :-P
[21:53]  * bittin is gonna book a december trip to the UK 
[21:53] <Laney> awesome
[21:54] <Laney> don't just stay in London though!
[21:54] <bittin> Laney, hmm okay :p
[21:54] <bittin> only going for 4days to London, might go longer in 2012 :p
[21:54] <Laney> boo
[21:54] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[21:54] <Laney> there's so much more than london
[21:54] <bittin> when my friend moved there and i have somewhere to stay
[21:55] <bittin> Laney, yeah might explore that later
[21:59] <bittin> will go longer in 2013 and might even move there
[21:59]  * bigcalm looks about the mad house
[21:59] <bigcalm> Whose going to the happy hour this weekend in Farnham?
[22:00] <pinky-> I prefer Alton
[22:01] <bigcalm> I'm practising my drinking right now
[22:01] <AlanBell> Alton is good too
[22:01] <pinky-> as went to school at Eggars once apon a time
[22:01] <bittin> damn i get money tommorow, this month for some reason
[22:01] <Laney> mmm money
[22:04] <pinky-> the mother of my two sons, her first name was Jackie, used to be a landlady of a pub in Alton, but I forget the name of the pub
[22:05] <pinky-> I'll ask tomorrow
[22:07] <popey> http://www.gizchina.com/2012/09/17/5-things-we-know-about-the-oppo-find-5/
[22:07] <popey> i want that running ubuntu
[22:08] <YaManicKill> ubuntu phone? or ubuntu for android?
[22:08] <popey> personally, I'd rather have an Ubuntu Phone, but U4A if you're buying :)
[22:08] <YaManicKill> heh
[22:08] <bittin> ah need to pay via credit card on Norwegian so i have to wait until tommorow
[22:08] <YaManicKill> I actually really like the idea of U4A
[22:09] <popey> you are not alone
[22:09] <YaManicKill> especially when you start thinking about the padfone
[22:09] <AlanBell> the manufacturers should like it too, not sure why it has been so quiet
[22:09] <YaManicKill> padfone with tablet dock + laptop dock + desktop dock + U4A ... with tegra 3 processor, and 4G...
[22:10] <YaManicKill> for people that don't game, and don't do video/photo editing on a large scale...it'd be all they would need
[22:10] <AlanBell> more people play games on phones than on computers
[22:10] <AlanBell> probably
[22:10] <YaManicKill> ha
[22:11] <YaManicKill> oh, I just pressed "j" on google reader...and look what appeared
[22:11] <YaManicKill> http://androidcommunity.com/asus-padfone-2-benchmark-leaks-with-quad-core-in-tow-20120917/
[22:11] <popey> i have a wii and xbox360 and pc, and i play games on iphone and ipad _daily_
[22:11] <YaManicKill> that was quite handy ;-)
[22:11] <popey> I suspect I am not alone in this
[22:14] <YaManicKill> yeah
[22:14] <YaManicKill> I don't game on my computer much anymore tbh...
[22:14] <YaManicKill> I'm not massively bothered about higher and higher resolutions
[22:17] <bigcalm> Hayley has become hooked on solitaire on my iPad. I think I've lost this one, better start looking for a new lady
[22:20] <ahayzen> Evening guys.....got Uni internet working :).... i remember an option to stop disks spinning down does tht still exist somewhere on Ubuntu? Thanks Andy
[22:20] <pinky-> I like Alton because there's a lot of parsley there
[22:20] <AlanBell> ahayzen: yes, hdparm options can do that
[22:21] <ahayzen> thought it was in default...did it get removed in GNOME settings reshuffle?
[22:21] <AlanBell> sudo hdparm -S 2 /dev/sda might do it
[22:22] <AlanBell> nothing to do with gnome
[22:22] <ahayzen> ...the reason i want to stop spin down is i've got a Hybrid drive SSD+HDD so stopping spin down will stop the HDD from spinning down ..correct?
[22:22] <AlanBell> oh, you want it to stop spinning down
[22:22] <ahayzen> yh
[22:22] <AlanBell> err in that case a bigger number :)
[22:23] <AlanBell> 2 is 10 seconds I think
[22:23] <AlanBell> personally with that drive I would let it sort itself out
[22:23] <ahayzen> basically when u leave the lappy or a bit it spins down the HDD...but adds more wear when it has to spin up i would rather use more power...what do you think?
[22:24] <ahayzen> *for a bit
[22:24] <AlanBell> I would let it just get on with things
[22:24] <ahayzen> ok think i'll leave it as it is for now then :)
[22:25] <ahayzen> it is the System76 panp9 best laptop ever so far :)....none of tht rubbish u get on windows laptops ;)
[22:26] <ahayzen> AlanBell, anyway, Thanks for your prompt and useful response as usual :)
[22:27] <AlanBell> so did you import it?
[22:27] <ahayzen> yep
[22:27] <AlanBell> no £ on shift 3 then?
[22:27] <ahayzen> like ~$100 delivery charge.... then + 20%tax
[22:27] <ahayzen> well they have a UK keyboard option now :)
[22:28] <AlanBell> interesting
[22:28] <ahayzen> just gave the UPS man a cheque to pay for the tax
[22:29] <bigcalm> Sleeeeeeeeep
[22:29] <ahayzen> AlanBell, 'International UK Keyboard Layout - Including Pound, Euro, and Alt GR keys ( + $33.00 )'
[22:29] <AlanBell> so it is
[22:29] <ahayzen> and the ship u the US keyboard in the box which is a nice touch as u have paid for it effectively
[22:30] <AlanBell> very nice
[22:30] <ahayzen> *they ship....getting used to new keyboard lol
[22:30] <bittin> 2-5th Dec, bittin goes to UK and prolly going there sometime Feb/March 2013 aswell