[00:02] to do it i must #define XLIB_ILLEGAL_ACCESS [00:06] YEAH [00:06] pepper flash on google chrome: fixed [02:09] is it just me or does BT infinity have a lot better penetration than I think it does [05:19] hey everyone :) [06:38] hey TheOpenSourcerer [06:38] meauning [06:38] hey bootlkhtg [06:39] how are you doing today $ [07:31] morning [07:33] morning all [07:34] hey hoover_ === hoover_ is now known as hoover [07:57] mornin' all! :) [07:58] mornin Monotoko, knightwise [07:59] morning all [08:09] Morning all === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:34] Hello, world! :) === daubers is now known as world [08:34] Hi JamesTait === world is now known as daubers [08:35] daubers: :-P [08:36] JamesTait, daubers \o/ [08:37] christel: \o/ [08:50] Has anyone had success connecting to an exchange 2010 server using fetchmail and IMAPS with GSSAPI / kerberos? [08:50] our local support are pulling their collective hair out over this [09:23] good morning everyone. [09:28] morning brobostigon [09:28] morning hoover [09:55] my hp touchpad tablet got smashed :( [09:56] :( [09:57] it's the glass screen, so maybe i can revive it. the lcd is OK [09:57] oops [09:57] how'd that happen? [09:57] http://ubuntuone.com/3JEOUrmks9U1IA04qKGCFU [09:58] Oops-ID: OOPS-1569a612c39544928565b52d69b70b81 [09:58] refresh worked [09:58] odd [09:58] that was the same for me, popey [09:58] maybe it hadn't finished uploading when we first looked at it? [09:58] that's not *too* bad a crack...I've seen much worse [09:58] wife had an accident, put in on the bed while charging, must have slipped off the bed, then a bowl fell on it [09:59] i can read stuff ok [09:59] but it makes me sad to use it [09:59] yeah [10:00] is it under warranty? [10:00] warranty won't fix accidental damage [10:00] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Digitizer-Touch-Screen-Glass-Front-Panel-Lens-Replacement-for-HP-Touchpad-/310405990459?pt=Other_Tablet_eReader_Accessories&hash=item4845a3883b [10:00] Morning all [10:00] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Tactil-Ecran-Pantalla-Replacement-Repair-for-HP-TouchPad-/200777086042?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item2ebf3f345a [10:01] loads of them [10:01] yeah, the first link is what i'm buying [10:01] however the process is tricky since it uses adhesive [10:01] and getting the shards off is fiddly work [10:01] even opeining the case can cause damage (thanks HP) [10:02] house insurance? [10:02] meh, i'll just fix it [10:06] Just discovered a cool Android app: WeTap: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mdc.wetap Just emailed them to request to make this a global project [10:07] hmm my mouse pointer is moving under the menus instead of over them ..weird [10:12] popey: thanks for the bug on cancel app install [10:12] np [10:14] Asterisk question for people, can anyone recommend an ISDN card for both ISDN2e and ISDN30e? [10:18] daubers: have you had a look on the Asterisk site for hardware recommendations? [10:18] davmor2: Yeah, funnily enough they recommend the digium stuff at $Lots [10:28] My petition for the DWP to sell 51.0.0.0/8 was published. Sign! http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38744 [10:39] directhex: done! [10:41] I need to enable local-infile on my 12.04 machine [10:41] for mysql * [10:41] I've read I need to add local-infile=1 to [mysql] & [mysqld] [10:42] It works sometimes but fails others... anyone got any ideas ? [10:44] AlanBell: you about [10:50] BigRedS: ello... [10:51] czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello [10:51] herro [11:07] Is it just me or is it virtually impossible to get gawk to read tab-separated files properly? [11:08] The manual lies blatantly about --traditional -Ft being the arguments for tabs [11:08] Doesn't work [11:09] isn't it something like -F $'\t' [11:09] and set OFS if you want to output with tabs too [11:09] Doesn't work for me... scoured the forums, stackoverflow, etc [11:10] Don't know if it's a peculiarity of gawk vs mawk (the default awk for Ubuntu) [11:10] * awilkins considers it might be join at fault [11:10] Hmm, may be user error [11:11] Aha [11:11] Am joining files [11:11] Join is not outputting tabs unless you tell it to. I am dufus. [11:23] directhex: Duly signed too. [11:27] If anyone needs some moar amo for their boss to consider FOSS: http://www.amadeus.com/blog/17/09/open-for-business/ well written white paper by Amadeus. [11:31] TheOpenSourcerer: I don't believe you he died ages ago I've seen the film ;) [11:43] * pinky- sings Amadeus Amadeus, oh oh oh Amadeus Come and rock me Amadeus [11:44] directhex, you should petition xerox to give up their 13.0.0.0/8 too :) (good luck with that) [11:45] popey, xerox don't answer to me. the government does :p [11:46] heh [11:46] their 13. addresses are hard wired all over the place [11:46] wouldn't be surprised if DWP did same [11:46] directhex: you should stop partitioning for legacy ip infrastructure and start partitioning for everyone to move to ipv6 though surely :D [11:47] petitioning even [11:47] I was close it sounded right in my head anyway [11:47] but DWP should take the cash [11:48] davmor2, i'm a realist [11:48] AlanBell, exactly [11:49] davmor2, the government has a "useless" asset, why not sell it? [11:49] directhex: Hence the :D [11:49] popey, i had a NAS box once hardcoded to 1.1.1.1 by default @_@ [11:50] as pointed out in another irc channel, maybe they should wait 5 years, do the migration in that time, and sell when they could get 5bn for it [11:52] popey, they should at least acknowledge the asset [11:53] popey, if not sell it now. i.e. say "yes, we have this, yes we know it has value, we dispute how easy it'd be to change to 10.0.0.0/8" [11:55] ooh, hp have 15 and 16 [11:56] popey: don't mit or something like that have a couple too [11:56] yeah [11:56] i'm sure HP need 32 million IPs [11:58] or we could transfer all public facing IP's to ipv6 already! [11:58] i expect scandanavian countries to do that before we do [11:59] if I was BT I would have said FTTC only works with ipv6 [11:59] you would think that big UNIs would have enough geeks to update to ipv6 if they haven't already and sell the ipv4 address space on [12:00] I'd be very surprised to see anyone ditch their v4 allocations in the process [12:00] daubers, major ISPs won't start IPv6 migration for more than a decade. double-NAT will be the norm to deal with ISP-level exhaustion [12:00] hooray latency [12:01] I've been mightly tempted to jump ISP's recently to avoid double-NAT [12:08] directhex: yes HP needs 32 million IPs, they have just launched public cloud computing offering using those IPs. [12:09] xnox, better use case than DWP's 16 million.., [12:09] directhex: well, they were not doing anything with them up until a 1-2 years ago. They didn't have public cloud perspectives then. [12:12] directhex: africa should sell it's IPv4 and become rich.... then they will need more IPv4s and they will buy them back twice the price. dejavu?! [12:12] =( [12:13] I think fostering IPv4 market is a bad idea [12:13] IPs should not cost anything. [12:14] xnox, i want ipv4 to become prohibitively expensive. it's the only thing that will drive v6 migration [12:14] note: i want this to happen after i get a couple if private /25's or /26's for work [12:14] :p [12:14] * xnox giggles [12:14] the bad situation would be if IPv4 is for "servers" and ipv6 is for "consumers" [12:14] AlanBell, the reverse will happen first [12:15] well putting servers on IPV6 means that not everyone can get to them [12:16] bridge all the things! [12:16] an ISP could turn on IPV6 for consumer connections (no idea why phones don't do this already) [12:17] AlanBell, i think big ISPs lack v6-capable core routers [12:18] AlanBell, i.e. no HW acceleration o v6, so couldn't cope with current load if s/v4/v6/ [12:20] AlanBell: some ISP's are already IPv6-ing all the things [12:45] if i have a static IPv4, can't I use 6to4 or something? [12:50] ali1234: that's just tunneling you can do that now without the need for a static ipv4 [12:50] "This memo specifies an optional interim mechanism for IPv6 sites to communicate with each other over the IPv4 network without explicit tunnel setup" [12:51] ali1234: oh interesting [13:07] Microsoft trumped Amazon, eBay and other tech giants with its more than $1 billion purchase of the majority of AOL Inc's patent trove. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/09/us-aol-microsoft-idUSBRE83809X20120409 === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [13:15] livingdaylight, april... [13:17] popey: is it not US dating so 04 september [13:18] popey: either, way, its bad news. They're back to their old bullying ways [13:18] Mon Apr 9, 2012 4:43pm EDT [13:19] from the article :) [13:20] yea, I@m slow catching up on the news, I guess :) [13:21] so what patents did they get? [13:21] popey: ah /me goes back to sleep [13:21] year first is almost always y/m/d btw [13:26] ali1234: Yeah but Americans hate standards the rest of the world use ;) [13:27] the american standard is m/d/y though [13:27] not y/d/m [13:28] ali1234: but the rest of the world use d/m/y that was kinda my point :D [13:28] not really [13:28] the only internationally recognized standard is y/m/d [13:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 [13:29] ali1234: it was a joke chill out [13:30] all we know is that days are never in the middle [13:30] in sensible countries [13:34] you can't just pick on the yanks, belize use m/d/y too [13:41] shauno: you can't belize everything you read, sorry could resist [14:21] cheers all === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [15:40] any idea where i might get "uclibc-crosstools-gcc-4.2.3-3_LFS.tar.bz2" [15:40] * AlanBell wonders whether to take the tube or a boris bike [15:46] AlanBell: from where to where [15:47] ali1234: I assume google doesn't provide? [15:47] no [15:47] ali1234: CLFS? [15:47] That sounds lile a Cross-Linux From Scratch Project [15:47] you can build your own version using crosstool-ng [15:47] own version isn't good enough [15:47] i need the exact version [15:48] crosstool-ng should be able to build an exact version of what you want, surely? [15:49] how will i know if it is the same or not, if i don't have the original? [15:53] As far as the toolchain name will tell you - configure it for uclibc, gcc-4.2.3-3, and the target. Why do you need an exact version? [15:55] ...or, after a quick google, you could try irc.linuxfromscratch.org #cross-lfs ? [15:56] czajkowski: canary wharf to waterloo [15:56] tube [15:56] jubilee straight in [15:56] sure, but bike is more interesting [15:57] yeah, bike it [15:57] cyclestreets.net [15:58] einonm: i need the exact version because i need to build a module for a kernel binary [15:59] Ah, and this is a kernel binary that you didn't build yourself? If it's just a module, can you not build it natively? [15:59] not without a toolchain [16:00] and since it's an in-kernel module I have to rebuild the whole kernel [16:00] the resulting kernel binary needs to be binary identical though, so that i don't have to reflash [16:01] ERm, isn't that impossible? An 'in kernel module' is no longer a module. And any resulting binary won't be identical, by definition [16:01] in-tree [16:05] ali1234: I'm thinking this isn't the correct channel for your questions. Are you trying to hack something, which is why you can't re-flash? [16:05] always [16:05] protected bootloader? [16:05] no [16:05] not that it matters [16:07] It would matter for my next suggestion - go to the LFS website and build from scratch. It'll be easier to create your own toolchain and kernel to get the job done [16:07] you nuts? [16:07] i have the full GPL source release [16:07] it comes with a full build system [16:07] all you have to do is type "make image" [16:07] after supplying the necessary toolchain [16:08] great. Just use toolchain-ng to get a toolchain built then. [16:08] (toolchain-ng.org) [16:08] not to mention that if i do that i'll need to reflash the kernel and root filesystem with the new ones i just built, which is incredibly annoying [16:09] building the toolchain is out of the question because i don't have the source of it either [16:09] If you can access the bootloader, you should be able to run from an nfs or disk mounted kernel & root [16:09] why? [16:09] why woudld that be a good idea? [16:10] crosstool-ng gives you the toolchain souce [16:10] no it doesn't [16:10] it's a good idea, as it's less annoying [16:15] ali1234: Ok, I'm done here. Maybe you want to read the docs at crosstool-ng.org to perhaps see where you're getting muddled there [16:16] i think you are the one getting muddled. i don't see how i can compile a toolchain without the source of it! [16:16] there is absolutely no guarantee that the referenced toolchain download does not contain custom patches added by the vendor [16:17] as a result there is no way i can ever know if the resulting toolchain is actually the same or not [16:17] this is unacceptable [16:17] You build everything using the same toolchain, so you don't need to compare it with your unknown binary toolchain [16:18] not possible [16:18] the kernel requires proprietary binaries [16:18] they will only work with the exact kernel revision, compiled by the exact toolchain version, and nothing else [16:18] sorry, I don't offer support for proprietary code. [16:19] so basically you've just been wasting my time for the past half an hour? [16:19] it's a good thing i actually know what i'm doing :) [16:20] you'll note i never asked how to build my own toolchain, or rebuild the vendor kernel [16:31] My mistake, you didn't mention proprietary binaries at the beginning, and I assumed by 'full GPL source release' you had the full source. Best of luck in your search. [16:48] ali1234: people have only been trying to help you today, there is no need to be so short with them [16:55] * popey spies mgdm mentioned in http headers [16:55] $ curl -I http://local.stv.tv/edinburgh/190640-scottish-defence-league-told-they-cannot-hold-rally-in-edinburgh/ | grep Team [16:55] X-Team-BE: @weejames, @mgdm, @skippychalmers, @calummackenzie, @automatical [16:55] :) [16:56] I will take the opportunity to rant at mgdm for the demented auto-starting video in the corner of the pages on stv.tv [16:57] Oh, not again [16:58] popey: heh, you're the first person to notice that :-) Though I do wonder why! [16:59] :D [16:59] friend of mine wondered why when he pastes an stv url to a story, like the one above, the bot in the irc channel always gets the wrong headline [17:00] so i used curl -I to look at the headers and saw that [17:00] made me chuckle [17:01] :D [17:01] that is a bit weird, though [17:01] :o [17:02] I suspect the bot is maybe latching on to a random

[17:02] it was me asking why the bot was returning the wrong title [17:02] the HTML uses
entries for the lists, which then each have their own

[17:02] o/ taras [17:03] also wondering why it autoplays a video *every time I want to read a news story*, but that's another matter :) [17:03] because you haven't uninstalled flash? ;) [17:03] or set it to "click to play" [17:03] it woudl actually not matter if you did [17:04] mgdm: it's