[00:01] <Artemis3> so do you need moderators for brainstorm or you already have?
[00:03] <ochosi> we don't have any afaik
[00:03] <ochosi> so mods would be welcome
[00:03] <Artemis3> "Ubuntu Brainstorm is read regularly by Ubuntu developers and contributors. They are doing their best to keep you up-to-date on the most popular ideas." :)
[00:05] <Artemis3> need an account i guess, they don't use the launchpad accounts i presume?
[00:05] <ochosi> should be ubuntu sson i think
[00:05] <ochosi> sso
[00:05] <ochosi> or ssi? (single-sign-in?)
[00:05] <knome> sso
[00:06] <knome> re: moderation, i think brainstorm has its own moderators
[00:06] <knome> but one more can't hurt
[00:07] <ochosi> well, one dedicated to xubuntu wouldn't hurt
[00:07] <ochosi> they're just general moderators
[00:07] <ochosi> so that's not much help to us i gather
[00:11] <knome> ok, i need to hit the sack
[00:11] <knome> see you later and good night :)
[00:11] <ochosi> +1
[00:11] <ochosi> night!
[00:19] <Artemis3> in the end i had to create an account, the one from launchpad didn't work...
[04:39] <pcroque> exit
[04:39] <pcroque> oops
[05:59] <mlpokn> Hey guys!
[05:59] <mlpokn> I need some help setting up conky.
[06:00] <mlpokn> I have the config, placed it in the right place. but it doesn't work
[06:49] <koegs> mlpokn: did you put it in ~/.conkyrc and did you restart conky?
[06:50] <mlpokn> koegs; I've put it in: /home/<user>/.conky.rc
[06:50] <mlpokn> koegs; I've put it in: /home/<user>/.conkyrc
[06:51] <mlpokn> isn't it the same thing? Tried with a different config and that worked
[06:53] <Mathias> it's the same location
[06:53] <mlpokn> ok :)
[06:55] <mlpokn> this is the code: http://pastie.org/private/3xlnmcsxlak89ugqkjit9g . It's really nice. Too bad I can't use it
[06:59] <MartS> .
[07:00] <koegs> mlpokn: kill conky and try to start it from the terminal, maybe there is some error-message there
[07:01] <koegs> the minimum and maximum size is a bit odd :D
[07:01] <mlpokn> koegs
[07:01] <mlpokn> that how I usually start conky
[07:02] <mlpokn> there are errors: http://pastie.org/private/6kbxims93sy5cvll7ys7gg  :: koegs
[07:05] <koegs> mlpokn: try so set alignment to "top_left", reduce the size of the window and remove all the variables
[07:05] <koegs> then you can try to add one var each restart and see which breaks the config :)
[07:08] <mlpokn> LOL
[07:08] <mlpokn> worked
[07:08] <mlpokn> still some errors
[07:09] <mlpokn> hmm. How can I change it's position?
[07:13] <mlpokn> How can I make it dragable? Is it possible?
[07:13] <mlpokn> Messing with gap_x and y doesn't work
[07:14] <mlpokn> hahaha
[07:14] <mlpokn> worked
[07:14] <mlpokn> One more question. I want to place it on a panel in xfce, how can I make it stay on top?
[07:15] <Deutopia> right click on it in task switcher?
[07:16] <mlpokn> hmm
[07:16] <mlpokn> I mean a command in the config
[07:18] <mlpokn> found it
[07:18] <mlpokn> "below'
[07:54] <Deutopia> how do i save files to a network location in the Save As box?
[07:55] <MartS> u should use fstab for mounting it
[07:56] <Artemis3> if it was mounted via gvfs (thunar) it should show as well
[07:56] <Deutopia> mont the samba://host/dir  adress?
[07:57] <Deutopia> how do i mount a network folder in thunar?
[07:57] <Artemis3> try accessing the share with thunar first
[07:57] <MartS> mount //somepc/someshare /mountpoint -t cifs -o adparams
[07:58] <Artemis3> thunar should have network icon in the tree and you could browse your shares there
[07:58] <MartS> or use fstab for permanent share
[07:58] <Deutopia> there is nothing in the tree even after having browsed the share
[07:59] <Artemis3> how did you browse it?
[07:59] <Deutopia> opened the Home folder on my desktop with thunar and clicked the network icon
[07:59] <Artemis3> and you can't redo this again?
[08:00] <Deutopia> in Save As boxes, there is no option for Network
[08:00] <MartS> try to mount smb share as a local folder
[08:00] <Artemis3> perhaps it would be simpler to save to desktop then move file?
[08:00] <Deutopia> that is not an option. i do not have a hard drive
[08:00] <Deutopia> i will try mount
[08:01] <Artemis3> actually you can save things in the desktop, even if you don't have a disk its saved in ram
[08:01] <Artemis3> try it
[08:01] <MartS> may be file is too big
[08:01] <Artemis3> then move it where you want
[08:01] <Artemis3> nah
[08:01] <Artemis3> unless its 4g+
[08:02] <Artemis3> well depends how much ram you have
[08:02] <MartS> may be he use thin client
[08:02] <Deutopia> will it mess with my persistence? my understanding is you cant re-use space from deleted files
[08:02] <MartS> as a terminal)
[08:02] <Artemis3> if you have persistence on, it will actually save it :)
[08:02] <Artemis3> but moving it will take care of that
[08:02] <Artemis3> if you don't have persistence, doesn't matter, will be there until you reboot
[08:03] <Deutopia> right but im homeless and this thumbdrive with xubuntu is my bread and butter. if i fill the drive and cant recover space by deleteing files... what am i to do?
[08:03] <Artemis3> plenty of time to move your file where you want
[08:03] <MartS> but it will takes much time
[08:03] <Artemis3> you can see your free space the usual way
[08:04] <Artemis3> open thunar, it tells you :)
[08:04] <Deutopia> am i incorrect? if i delete a file in persistent mode i really can re-use the space the deleted file used to occupy?
[08:04] <Artemis3> browse your home folder
[08:05] <Artemis3> yes
[08:05] <Artemis3> its not a CD-R :)
[08:05] <Deutopia> didnt work with kubuntu but that must have been something going wrong
[08:06] <Mathias> how about emptying the trash bin?
[08:06] <Deutopia> i would end up with a full drive by the time i deleted all the unnessesary stuff
[08:06] <Deutopia> i did
[08:06] <Mathias> weird
[08:06] <Mathias> which filesystem?
[08:07] <Deutopia> 2GB Fat16 partition and 13GB ext2 casper-rw partition. created using Linux Live USB Creator, partitioned with gparted
[08:09] <Deutopia> i would just install to the USB instead of using live, but the installer crashes no matter what distro I use (worked fine b4 i lost my hard drive)
[08:41] <Artemis3> Deutopia, you could use the minimal iso to install
[08:44] <Deutopia> after failing so many times, i think the USB is the problem
[08:44] <Artemis3> Deutopia, i would not make swap, and format ext4 using the option ^has_journal (means no journal), and try to put grub where it belongs ;) you could force the installer to ask everything using priority=low
[08:44] <Artemis3> you could try another?
[08:45] <Deutopia> all i have is a 2GB and a 16GB
[08:45] <Deutopia> buying one isnt an option. i have a hard enough time just eating
[08:45] <Artemis3> it will probably work, try formating that 16gb with ext4 :)
[08:46] <Mathias> Artemis3: ext4 isn't reccommended on flash devices
[08:46] <Artemis3> shhh
[08:46] <Artemis3> read what i put above
[08:46] <Deutopia> yeah i know about the journaling
[08:47] <Artemis3> boot minimal from the 2gb and install into the 16gb, should work
[08:48] <Deutopia> ill try that next time i screw up xubuntu
[08:49] <Artemis3> well at least minimal iso is a small download, should be tricky to dd unless you already can boot from the 16gb
[08:50] <Artemis3> why you didn't like persistence again? :)
[08:51] <Deutopia> i was under the understanding that i couldnt re-use drive space after deleting files
[08:51] <Artemis3> hmm that should not be the case...
[08:51] <Deutopia> must have been a fluke
[08:52] <Deutopia> my current question is how do i mount a network folder so i can save files directly from browser to network folder
[08:52] <Deutopia> tried mount and it said it doesnt exist in fstab
[08:53] <TheSheep> Deutopia: browse it with thunar
[08:53] <TheSheep> Deutopia: or gigolo
[08:53] <Deutopia> i did
[08:53] <TheSheep> Deutopia: then it's mounted
[08:53] <Deutopia> well how do i save to that folder?
[08:53] <TheSheep> Deutopia: it's in ~/.gvfs
[08:55] <Deutopia> what does that mean?
[08:56] <Deutopia> i click filesystem and all i see are folders and initrd and vmlinuz
[08:57] <Artemis3> it means a (hidden) folder called .gvfs in your /home/user, what are you looking in / ?
[08:59] <Deutopia> well i guess i cant see it cuz it's hidden
[08:59] <MartS> ls -la
[08:59] <Deutopia> im in a save as window
[08:59] <Artemis3> usually ctrl h does the trick
[08:59] <MartS> or ctr+h
[08:59] <Artemis3> else just type it
[09:04] <Deutopia> ctrl + H did the trick
[09:07] <Mathias> just remember "ctrl+Hidemyporn"
[09:45] <penreturns> hahahahhaha
[09:45] <penreturns> nice
[10:08] <Viktor> hallo
[11:15] <Kingsy> anyone around? I am getting this error from arandr --> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/screenlayout/xrandr.py:42: UserWarning: XRandR wrote to stderr, but did not report an error (Message was: 'xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default\n')       warnings.warn("XRandR wrote to stderr, but did not report an error (Message was: %r)"%err)    <--- and its only detecting 1 of my 3 displays.
[11:18] <TheSheep> Kingsy: what graphics card do you have?
[11:19] <Kingsy> hmm actually I think I have it
[11:19] <Kingsy> I have not installed the radeon / ati drivers at all..
[11:19] <Kingsy> its a 6850 sapphire
[11:19] <Kingsy> HD
[12:54] <recon_tv> hi all, laptop just died and was wondering if anyone had suggestions as to whats good to get theses day. Particularly with regard to onboard video
[12:59] <recon_tv> like whats  Intel® HD's driver support like?
[13:00] <TheSheep> intel has excellent drivers, because they are the only ones that are actually open source
[13:01] <TheSheep> and they improved greatly thanks to the work Valve did on them
[13:01] <recon_tv> TheSheep: thx, thats good to know, I normally will only buy nvidia , but not a lot of nvidia on offer
[13:02] <TheSheep> recon_tv: http://www.zdnet.com/valve-linux-runs-our-games-faster-than-windows-7-7000002060/
[13:03] <Mathias> i got a weird(ish) problem, i'm dualbooting with xubuntu and windows, and windows won't hibernate (it will, but when i try to boot it again it just boots normally, it doesn't restore)
[13:03] <recon_tv> lol, well. I never though anything runs particularly fast on MS.
[13:04] <TheSheep> recon_tv: usually windows gets better performance in graphics, because the drivers are written by the hardware vendors
[13:04] <TheSheep> recon_tv: who have very detailed knowledge of their hardware
[13:04] <recon_tv> is it possible to resize preinstalled windows theses ? do does it just cry like a baby ?
[13:04] <recon_tv> do/or*
[13:05] <TheSheep> recon_tv: theses?
[13:05] <recon_tv> days
[13:05] <TheSheep> recon_tv: you mean resize the partition?
[13:05] <recon_tv> yep, tried it about 5 years ago las time i had windows and windows was not happy
[13:06] <TheSheep> recon_tv: it is possible, but you should make a backup, because there is a chance it will go wrong
[13:06] <TheSheep> recon_tv: but you should have a backup anyways
[13:07] <recon_tv> no big deal, have barely used windows since and never on a computer I owned
[13:07] <recon_tv> might be nice to keep it on a little partition just incase, who know I migh need it some day
[13:08] <TheSheep> I use a virtual server for that
[13:09] <Mathias> brb, try something with windows :P
[13:09] <TheSheep> be careful to not cut yourself
[13:09] <recon_tv> any other hardware I should look out for, like must have or avoid?
[13:10] <recon_tv> think multi touch keypad is somthing I want to try
[13:12] <Mathias> nope, still just "diea" :\
[13:13] <TheSheep> recon_tv: you might want to check the linlap wiki
[13:13] <recon_tv> was hoping to wait till the new year sales, but HDD died :( , bit annoying as now I'm now using my TV and media box to surf
[13:14] <recon_tv> TheSheep: I'll have a look at that , thx
[13:14] <Mathias> s/diea/die
[13:17] <recon_tv> Mathias: would this not be a windows issue?
[13:17] <Mathias> don't know exactly
[13:17] <Mathias> but it worked before i installed xubuntu
[13:17] <recon_tv> sorry about the double neg :)
[13:17] <Mathias> :P
[13:18] <recon_tv> Mathias: all i can think of is that windows expects it's boot loader and cries if it's not there on resume.
[13:19] <TheSheep> recon_tv: but grub does call windows boot loader
[13:23] <recon_tv> but there probably is something, I would think Mathias is not lying, and a issue like this is going to be in windows so ignored by linux people. Also ignored by windows people "What do you mean you loaded linux, It's you fault!!!, restore it to factory default and it'll work" baa
[13:24] <Mathias> kind of in limbo
[13:25] <recon_tv> Mathias: you looked for other people having the same issues ?
[13:25] <Mathias> not so extremely much
[13:25] <Mathias> but on some laptops it works and on others it won't
[13:28] <recon_tv> Mathias, So it's got a hardware element, is your laptop new? I'd be looking for advanced features in power management supported by you laptop.
[13:29] <olbi> when I add new files to Templates directory, they appear in contextual menu. How I can add to them icons in this menu? They looks like blank file only
[13:30] <TheSheep> olbi: just give them the right extension and content for the file type
[13:32] <recon_tv> Disabling these features in windows/bios likely the best fix. I'd be looking to find other people with the same problem and find out what hardware they got and what windows version. also try find people with the same laptop as you and see if they have the same problem. But this is really a windows issue.
[13:34] <Guest77859> hi! how could I register in this channel?
[13:34] <recon_tv> Mathias: so my guess is it a very new method of saving battery life thats badly coded and tightly bound to the default factory  setup of windows.
[13:34] <Mathias> damnit
[13:34] <Mathias> windows raped my xubuntu again
[13:35] <recon_tv> Guest77859: you don't need to register use "/nick <you handle>" to change screen name
[13:36] <Mathias> any way to easily restore the ext4 partition in windows?
[13:37] <Guest77859> recon_tv: it says me 'Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable'
[13:38] <recon-lap> Guest77859: maybe without the caps /nick "newname"
[13:38] <recon-lap> Guest77859: also /msg nickserv help
[13:38] <Mathias> f it, i'll reinstall xubuntu again :\
[13:39] <Mathias> and windows still won't hibernate :s
[13:39] <recon-lap> Mathias: does windows even understand ext partitions ? and what do you mean by windows raped you partition?
[13:40] <Mathias> tried marking the /dev/sda2 (which is windows) as "active/boot")
[13:41] <recon-lap> Mathias: lol, just like MS, try hold the non techs hostage. glad I got myself off MS's crap years ago.
[13:42] <Guest77859> recon-lap thanks. now I see
[13:42] <Mathias> there's two reasons i still use it, world of tanks (game) and school
[13:43] <recon-lap> Mathias: love tank games, you ever try wwiiol? had a bad addiction to that years ago, it would only run on windows too. thats was a added plus of getting rid of windows, I was badly addicted to that game.
[13:44] <Mathias> maybe i'll try the wubi option
[13:47] <recon-lap> Mathias: Have a look in you BOIS for power management features, I'd guess disabling one of them likely to fix you hibernate problem. but it's a tricky area. as to windows messing with you boot drive setting without asking, thats just rude!!!
[13:47] <Mathias> have they removed the install (x)ubuntu in windows option? :\
[13:49] <recon-lap> Mathias: dont know, but did not see it when I loaded up my 12.04 usb today. was not looking though
[13:50] <recon-lap> Mathias: anyway wubi sucks as far as I'v heard.
[13:51] <Mathias> damnit :\
[13:51] <recon-lap> anyway, going shopping
[13:52] <Mathias> weird
[13:52] <Mathias> it didn't rape it, but it did something
[14:02] <olbi> some1 will plan to journey FOSDEM 2013? :) I will be there at 80% :)
[14:08] <Monte_Cristo> Anyway, I'm going to burn the iso file of xubuntu in a usb stick, I downloaded and installed the free program ISOtoUSB, I started it, I selected the ISO file from my pc, I selected the USB drive, but under FIle System I don't know what to choose between FAT, FAT32, exFAT, NTFS. Can someone help me, please?
[14:09] <GridCube> Monte_Cristo, it should be fat32 but you should not have to care about that
[14:09] <GridCube> use unetbootin, it should do all the things for you instead
[14:09] <koegs> unetbootin++
[14:10] <Mathias> unetbootin <3
[14:10] <koegs> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Live_USB_creator
[14:11] <Monte_Cristo> GridCube, thank you.
[14:11] <Monte_Cristo> Now, I'm going to download unetbootin
[14:16] <Monte_Cristo> Other question: is it necessary to close all the applications which are running in my pc when I burn?
[14:16] <Monte_Cristo> like the antivirus, firefox...
[14:16] <GridCube> Monte_Cristo, not really
[14:16] <Monte_Cristo> ok
[14:16] <GridCube> it just converts it and copies it, but if you have low specs it can be fasters if you do
[14:17] <Monte_Cristo> ok
[14:35] <Monte_Cristo> I apologize in advance, because I'm going to harass you with so many questions lol. Could you tell me what I should do, after that I will start the computer from the USB stick to install Xubuntu? The installation will be immediate and intuitive, or I will have to know first what steps to take? If the answer is the second could you help me? There is an online tutorial? a few days ago I have bought a netbook Asus Eee X101CH with 
[14:36] <Monte_Cristo>  I decided to switch to Xubuntu to make my computer faster. However, to use programs that only operate with Windows, I would keep both operating systems, Windows and Xubuntu. In your opinion, keep them both, could slow down even more the computer? Last question: when installing Xubuntu there will be the option to create a partition where you want the new system? Even here: the procedure is simple or do I have to know something 
[14:36] <Monte_Cristo>  Thank you, and please excuse my extreme ignorance in these matters. I'm trying to learn, but it's hard to be alone.
[14:36] <holstein> Monte_Cristo: i would load the live CD up... you can do that from USB.. check it out and install from there
[14:37] <holstein> keeping windows around will only take up hard drive space.. no noticable performance change in either operating system
[14:38] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall
[14:38] <Sysi> xubuntu uses same installer
[14:38] <holstein> as always, i would back up all data, and know how to recover windows in case there is an issue
[14:42] <Monte_Cristo> thank you Sysi. It's just what I wanted, the use of images facilitates understanding.
[14:43] <Mathias> ok, wubi didn't work, windows throws bluescreens at me when i try to format the partition and the bios is locked. lets try pxe, if that doesn't work i'll piss on the harddrive
[14:45] <holstein> wubi doesnt make a partition... maybe its a failing hard drive?
[14:45] <Sysi> wubi isn't very trustworthy generally
[14:45] <Mathias> holstein: brand new harddrive
[14:45] <Mathias> was going to use wubi temporarily
[14:45] <holstein> Mathias: i test.. new hard drives fail too, and *all* hard drives fail
[14:45] <GridCube> Mathias, it being new doesnt means that it can not be faulty
[14:46] <Mathias> might be windows' way to annoy people
[14:47] <Monte_Cristo> holstein: ok, I decided to keep both systems. then I'm going to run a small back up data
[14:47] <holstein> Monte_Cristo: i would backup prior to doing any partition resizing
[14:48] <Monte_Cristo> ok
[14:52] <Monte_Cristo> i'm going to work. thanks and see you later
[15:08] <Guest31839> i have a newbie question: i installed latest xububtu, and ati gr.drivers. and i cant watch even youtube without great lag
[15:09] <Guest31839> i have old laptop, sempron3200+ and radeon x1100
[15:09] <Guest31839> ram 3gb
[15:10] <Guest31839> even windows 7 wasn't so slow, win xp has no lag at all
[15:11] <GridCube> Guest31839, go to a  youtube video and go to the configuration menu for flash player and disable hardware acceleration
[15:19] <Guest31839> i tried, but SETTINGS menu is grey - can't access
[15:19] <GridCube> m
[15:20] <GridCube> you have the same problems using default drivers?
[15:21] <GridCube> do you have problems using other videos? like default media players?
[15:21] <GridCube> have you installed the xubuntu-restricted-extras?
[15:22] <GridCube> its youtube setted to use html5?
[15:25] <Guest31839> ok, now i disabled hardware acceleration, restarted, and the same old lag
[15:34] <GridCube> greg22, did you read my questions?
[15:36] <greg22> moment
[15:37] <greg22> lag with default drivers, new drivers, using flash, or html5
[15:37] <greg22> now i'm tinstalled g.monkey
[15:39] <greg22> it's like using win xp without graphic drivers installed
[15:40] <greg22> lag everywhere
[15:40] <GridCube> mmhm
[15:41] <holstein> i would try with the chrome browser to troubleshoot the flash version
[15:41] <holstein> i would try with the vesa driver as well
[15:42] <GridCube> you could also join the #ati channel
[15:42] <holstein> its challenging sometimes when there is poor support for your hardware... you wont be able to use the windows drivers though, so its not really constructive to compare the XP and win7 performance
[15:42] <greg22> thanx :)
[15:43] <holstein> threres nothing in ubuntu or linux preventing the graphics hardware from being supported... if it were me, i might load up an old 10.04 live cd as well and test an older kernel
[15:50] <synaptix> is there a way to increase the size of scrollbars globally (including firefox) in 12.04?
[16:16] <greg22> i'll try 10.04... also chrome has lag....  all brousers have lag even when scrooling down web page
[17:23] <vermundo> hello, i have  problem, ive installed xubuntu on my asus eee pc x101ch and the videos are lagging. any advice?
[17:27] <holstein> vermundo: all video? or just in flash in the browser? you can try the chrome browser as a troubleshooting step for flash.. you can run lspci and see what the exact intel gpu is and search for bugs... i had a 1015* with a tricky gpu
[17:31] <vermundo> flash videos run perfect, but at 1080p they begin to lag. Same goes for the .avi files. cant watch any movies, they lag too.
[17:31] <GridCube> use smplayer or other mplayer player for highdef video
[17:32] <GridCube> flash video at 1080 will fail on linux, thats to be expected
[17:33] <Sysi> basically you're runnig out of cpu/gpu
[17:33] <Sysi> I'd try mplayer2
[17:34] <vermundo> ok, mplayer worked, thank you :) any solution for flash 1080p videos?
[17:34] <Sysi> if you have proper graphics drivers and acceleration enabled already, no
[17:35] <vermundo> not sure about that though , how do i make sure that acceleration is enabled?
[17:36] <Sysi> right click on video and see flash properties
[17:37] <GridCube> right clic on avideo go to configuration and the first tab should have a "enable hardware aceleration" checkbox
[17:38] <coneone> hi there
[17:38] <vermundo> ok, thanks :)
[17:40] <GridCube> !hi | coneone
[17:40] <coneone> yesterday i dared to install Xubuntu just because it was available, then after having installed and updated (during and after install) i ran into some _strange_ issue: apt somehow appended ":http" to each host in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:42] <coneone> so there was no way to update or downgrade or change the system, i even tried to manually append ":80" after each hostname in /etc/apt/sources.list, no luck my system was kind of petrified just because of this!
[17:43] <coneone> i installed ubuntu and i'll install lxde as soon as i get tired of cinnamon
[17:43] <holstein> coneone: did you add a ppa for cinamon?
[17:44] <holstein> coneone: i would just look at the sources and see that they are what you are expecting... get sudo apt-get update to run without any issues
[17:44] <holstein> theres nothing about XFCE or xubuntu-desktop that should change your sources
[17:45] <coneone> holstein, naw man there was no way to even think of something like that, all i did was install and update... IIRC
[17:45] <GridCube> you can always try to change the software sources from synaptic
[17:46] <holstein> coneone: you installed xubuntu? fresh? from a live CD?
[17:46] <coneone> holstein, i verified the sources.list, there was no CRLF... at least vi(nvi? vim?)  did not complain.
[17:47] <holstein> coneone: whats the issue then?
[17:47] <coneone> holstein, xubuntu from a USB-stick that was lying around . i cannot telll you how old this image is.
[17:48] <holstein> coneone: what version of xubntu is it? maybe its end of life
[17:48] <holstein> coneone: i would look at the sources list.. pastebin it here if you need a 2nd opinion
[17:49] <coneone> *blush* im sorry to have wasted your time, i cant remember the version either.
[17:49] <holstein> i would run sudo apt-get update, and work through any errors
[17:50] <holstein> you can open a terminal and run "cat etc/issue"
[17:51] <holstein> coneone: if its a fresh install, maybe you just want to go and get a new xubuntu 12.04 iso and make a new stick and reinstall
[17:51] <GridCube> coneone, whats the results of uname -a ?
[17:51] <coneone> the sources list was clean, i can tell you, and after having manually added the suffix ":80" to each host in sources.list APT did not replace my value but it stopped with "cannot resolve hostname de.archive.ubuntu.org:80"
[17:51] <coneone> im using ubuntu 12.04 and IIRC this USB-stick also installed 12.04
[17:52] <holstein> coneone: ubuntu? or xubuntu?
[17:52] <coneone> USB-stick(bad install case im talking about) = Xubuntu 12.04, my system _now_ ubuntu12.04
[17:52] <GridCube> ok
[17:52] <holstein> coneone: you can clear up quite a few of these variables easily by pastebin-ing the sources list and running that command and seeing that it is 12.04.1
[17:53] <GridCube> coneone, check if you can choose other sources from synaptic
[17:55] <coneone> i think i tried that changing from de.archive to archive or sth like that, but it was all in vain! "name or hostname not found"
[17:55] <coneone> i had internet with firefox
[18:18] <coneone> apt-get update exited 1 because of "failed to resolve hostname de.archive.ubuntu.org:http"  OR (after having edited sources.list using VI editor) "failed to revolve hostname de.archive.ubuntu.org:80"
[18:19] <holstein> coneone: if you'd like, pastebin your sources file here
[18:19] <holstein> !paste | coneone
[18:20] <holstein> coneone: i didnt edit each line and add a port to mine, and you shouldnt have to change them
[18:20] <holstein> you should be able to use the default one, no problem
[18:20] <coneone> i cannot to that because i already installed ubuntu <- without XXX ;)
[18:20] <coneone> do even
[18:21] <utab> I can not login to my account after an upgrade however I can login by getting a terminal with same information
[18:21] <utab> what is the reason for this
[18:21] <utab> any ideas
[18:22] <holstein> coneone: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1211541/ is working fine for me...
[18:23] <holstein> utab: typo
[18:23] <holstein> ?
[18:24] <holstein> coneone: im not following what "without xxx" means
[18:24] <coneone> utab i say it might be your keyboard-mapping
[18:25] <holstein> you could temporarily set the password to something simpler that the keyboard wouldnt fail while typing and confirm
[18:25] <coneone> hostein ubuntu without the Character(letter) "X"
[18:25] <holstein> coneone: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[18:25] <holstein> the sources are all the same
[18:26] <coneone> holstein then how come i can perfectly update and use apt now?
[18:26] <holstein> coneone: ?
[18:26] <holstein> coneone: whats the problem then?
[18:26] <coneone> holstein ubuntu = main distri, xubuntu = version of ubuntu.
[18:27] <holstein> coneone: they all use the same repos
[18:27] <holstein> coneone: there is no xubuntu repo.. the packages are all in the main repo
[18:27] <coneone> holstein but what went wrong yesterday?
[18:27] <utab> holstein: no I can login with  my password in terminal login
[18:28] <utab> coneone: I used a mac keyboard for that and guessed that however changing the keyboard also did not help
[18:28] <holstein> utab: ok.. so i think the keyboard mapping suggestion is a good one.. you can temporarily set your password to something simpler and try it
[18:28] <coneone> utab are u using unity?
[18:28] <holstein> coneone: im still not clear that anything went wrong yesterday... if all is well now, it could have been a netowrk issue, or a mirro down.. anything really
[18:29] <holstein> coneone: so, there is no issue with your system?
[18:29] <coneone> utab there might be something wrong with the unity-greeter or gdm-greeter
[18:29] <utab> coneone: I do not use that
[18:29] <holstein> utab: and how about with a simpler password? something with just lowercase letters. as a test
[18:29] <utab> coneone: I should reinstall these two from the terminal??
[18:30] <utab> my old password was also simple 4 numbers ;P
[18:31] <utab> coneone: it is not strange
[18:32] <coneone> utab try to add a user without password and try to login, if that fails you might have a problem with authentification on your system.
[18:32] <utab> not to find gdm-greeter with apt-cache search??
[18:32] <coneone> it is part of gdm
[18:33] <coneone> utab
[18:33] <utab> I tried that already I created another user and I can login to that one
[18:33] <coneone> oh
[18:33] <utab> however all my data is on the old home dire
[18:33] <coneone> utab so it first accepts your password and then you get flickering screen and it asks again?
[18:34] <utab> exactly no errors warnings go back to login screen
[18:34] <coneone> okay
[18:36] <holstein> yeah, i dont think thats a failing password
[18:36] <utab> ok let me try sth else, since I have dual screens let me take the VGA one off
[18:36] <coneone> well then... do the following: (WARNING this will CHANGE your system) login as root, then cd /home/user, then mkdir old, then mv .* old, then mv * old, then try to login again!
[18:37] <holstein> i would start moving things out of the home directory related to config
[18:37] <coneone> holstein jinx!
[18:37] <bazhang> no need to login as root
[18:37] <holstein> renaming... shouldnt need root access to fix the issue since you can login as a newuser
[18:37] <bazhang> ever
[18:37] <coneone> bazhang, true
[18:37] <bazhang> coneone, so dont suggest it
[18:38] <coneone> bazhang, im sorry , it has been a while i last chatted on IRC
[18:39] <utab> ok the problem is not dual monitors, still having the same issuer
[18:40] <utab> just to be sure once more I logged into the new created account and it is fine
[18:40] <coneone> utab, you can login to the terminal?, then do it using the normal user
[18:41] <xubuntu688> cant install from usb , enters the setup t some text run on the screen then stucks
[18:41] <xubuntu688> help me please !!
[18:41] <utab> coneone: I am guessing that there is a permission wise problem.
[18:42] <coneone> utab then you should get an error by typing "ls" after login
[18:42] <xubuntu688> cant install from usb , enters the setup t some text run on the screen then stucks help me please !!
[18:43] <Myrtti> that's not very descriptive
[18:44] <coneone> utab i yould rather say there is a messed up entry somehow in /home/user/.xsession
[18:44] <utab> coneone: ok, now my  home dir of my old profile seems to with drwx------ access privilages
[18:45] <Myrtti> xubuntu688: please ask your question in the channel and please be more descriptive of your problem
[18:46] <utab> I guess this is a problem
[18:48] <coneone> utab try setting "chmod g+rx /home/user" then
[18:51] <utab> coneone: I did that already and the new created user account and my old account has the same privilages now but no use still I can not log ing
[18:52] <coneone> utab ok then pastebin the content of /home/user/.xprofile
[18:53] <utab> coneone: no file like that
[18:56] <Sysi> utab: in tty run "rm -rf .ICEauthority"
[18:56] <coneone> utab damn... running out of ideas... pastebin /home/user/.xsessionrc
[18:57] <coneone> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/X/Config/SessionStartup maybe there is something alike for xubuntu
[18:57] <utab> Sysi: no it is the same
[18:58] <Sysi> utab: you may need to wipe your .config/
[18:59] <utab> Sysi: rm -rf .config/ ??
[18:59] <holstein> utab: yeah, i aggree with Sysi ...i would just rename it
[19:00] <holstein> utab: no reason to rm it.. just rename it and let a new one respawn
[19:00] <utab> Sysi, holstein : renamed still the same
[19:00] <holstein> utab: it'l be something in the /home directory
[19:01] <utab> holstein: ??
[19:01] <utab> holstein: what?
[19:01] <holstein> utab: if the new user you made is working fine, then its an issue with that user account
[19:01] <holstein> utab: a user configuration in the user /home
[19:01] <utab> holstein: it is not clear to me what you mean
[19:02] <holstein> utab: in the /home for the user account that is failing to login.. i am proposing there is a confiuration error in there that is causing the login to fail
[19:02] <holstein> i was thinking it would be in .config but it could be anything in there
[19:02] <holstein> utab: you can always just move *everything* out, and get the user logging in.. put back what you need...
[19:03] <utab> holstein: after renaming the old .config as .config_backup and trying to login did not create a new one
[19:04] <holstein> utab: move it out of there then
[19:05] <utab> holstein: you mean to move the .config_backup to a different directory
[19:05] <holstein> utab: just out of the users home directory
[19:05] <utab> holstein: ok let me try??
[19:06] <holstein> utab: if *all* other users are getting to a desktop fine, then its pretty safe to assume its an issue in the user /home... i save the old .config files, and since it literally cant hurt anything as long as i have the backups, i typically just move *everything* out
[19:12] <utab> holstein, I am sure if I understood you correctly but now I moved the .config_backup under / with sudo'ing and tried to login to the account it was not possible
[19:13] <holstein> utab: cool... just keep in mind that if all the other users work fine, the issue is very likely in the /home directory
[19:13] <utab> holstein: I can guess that but which one is the problem
[19:13] <holstein> utab: i typically just take *everything* out when i cant figure out what is what
[19:14] <holstein> especially in an upgrade scenario where who knows what has changed
[19:14] <utab> holstein: I hate upgrades after every upgrade I spend hours configuring the system back to a healthy state :((
[19:15] <holstein> utab: i only upgrade to test and report that it works
[19:15] <holstein> best case and upgrade takes about 7 or 8 hours... a freshing install is pretty fast
[19:16] <utab> holstein: yes u r right
[19:17] <utab> holstein: but now there is no config related files in the home dir still I can not login so the cause is not completely there I guess
[19:18] <holstein> utab: i might just make a new user, and move the stuff over i want
[19:18] <utab> utab: that would be the best best and last option
[19:20] <recon_tv> I hate shopping, have to choose a new laptop on a budget. aggh!!
[19:21] <utab> holstein: I have to update lots of paths in lots of makefiles, I might search a bit more maybe to make a work around, I did not write the makefiles that flexible I guess
[19:21] <holstein> i just got one of these used, mostly because of this awesome site recon_tv https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn
[19:23] <utab> holstein: there is one more question to ask
[19:24] <utab> well as a session selection I have both xubuntu session and xfce session, why are there both of these and can there be something conflicting
[19:25] <holstein> utab: you can try as the other user thats working and confirm.. xfce should be just xfce, and xubntu will be the xubuntu configuration
[19:26] <recon_tv> holstein: interesting, dont know about the batter on second hand laptops though. but I'm looking for a laptop come desktop so a eepc not really going to do it for me.
[19:26] <recon_tv> battery*
[19:28] <recon_tv> was looking at a toshiba c870-11h , hard to find reviews though
[19:29] <utab> holstein: the other account is working, the best bet is to compress the docs and move them here
[19:40] <coneone> utab no need to compress, moving _AND_ chown chmod can do the trick, but make sure you make a directory within the new users directory, and move everything in there.
[19:42] <utab> coneone: you say 'no move' but then at the end you say move again??
[19:43] <coneone> utab you can move without compressing first that will speedup the process.
[19:44] <utab> you mean with the sudo and then changing with the sudo again ownership and group
[19:57] <recon_tv> lol, went to listen to kusf only to discover they got sold down the river
[20:06] <recon_tv> what do i need to play a MP3 ShoutCast playlist ? it's a .pls file, gmusicbrowser want to open it but cant play it?
[20:10] <recon_tv> never mind Rhythmbox to the rescue, got Spanish guitar music =-O
[20:21] <coneone> utab yes that sounds good
[20:35] <recon_tv> got a question, if you try open a downloaded files with "other application" it's really hard as you have to know the location of the program you want to use? usability issue?
[20:36] <TheSheep> yeah, firefox has lots of those
[20:40] <recon_tv> bloodyhell, still trying to find executable of rhythmbox
[20:40] <TheSheep> recon_tv: open a terminal and type 'which rhythmbox'
[20:41] <recon_tv> thx TheSheep, thats a useful command I never saw before
[20:42] <TheSheep> dpkg -S is also useful
[20:43] <Deutopia> what works better and has better compatibility than firefox?
[20:43] <TheSheep> Deutopia: two firefoxes?
[20:44] <TheSheep> Deutopia: compatibility with what?
[20:44] <recon_tv> now to try find the url for bbc radio 6 .pls :)
[20:44] <TheSheep> recon_tv: menu -> accessories -> catfish
[20:46] <recon_tv> catfish is another program I never used, but "find -name" was the one i use
[20:47] <TheSheep> also 'locate'
[20:47] <TheSheep> it's much faster
[20:55] <Deutopia> things becides basic html4
[20:56] <Deutopia> like silverlight, flash and all that odd stuff
[20:57] <TheSheep> Deutopia: no browser does silverlight or flash
[20:57] <Deutopia> k
[20:57] <TheSheep> Deutopia: it's all browser plugins
[20:57] <TheSheep> Deutopia: and they work equally crappy in all browsers
[20:59] <Deutopia> im just noticeing chromium, konquorer, iceweasle having difficulties with websites that firefox is not
[21:00] <recon_tv> though the browser wars ended in the late 90's
[21:00] <Deutopia> why is google and IE on my TV?
[21:01] <Deutopia> spending lots of money it seems
[21:02] <holstein> recon_tv: i can tell you about the 2nd hand battery on this machine, which is dual core and quite a nice netbook... we could discuss in the OT channel at your leisure
[21:02] <Deutopia> i still dont understand why there are commercials for internet browsers on the TV
[21:02] <recon_tv> well, I got xubuntu and netscape on my tv atm :)
[21:03] <recon_tv> sure holstein, what the full channel ?
[21:04] <holstein> you mean #xubuntu-offtopic ?
[21:04] <recon_tv> yep, thats the one
[21:31] <Deutopia> i already have php mysql and apache2 installed (laest version) should i remove them b4 installing xampp1.8.0?
[21:34] <recon_tv> Deutopia: cant be sure, but it should use apt-get like everything else, so would just skip the packages already downloaded. but thats just my best guess
[21:42] <Monte_Cristo> hi
[21:42] <Unit193> Howdy.
[21:46] <Monte_Cristo> I successfully installed Xubuntu, keeping windows 7 on another partition, I copied my documents into the new system, I turned off the computer and I removed the USB flash drive containing the iso file of Ubuntu. But when I turn on the computer again, Windows will automatically start and I can not choose! Why? I also installed Xubuntu Gparted ...
[21:46] <Monte_Cristo> *I also installed Gparted in Xubuntu
[21:47] <Unit193> Sounds like a grub issue to me.
[21:47] <Unit193> !grub
[21:47] <Deutopia> ubiquity installed grub to the wrong location. a bugfix is comming in next version of ubiquity.
[21:47] <Unit193> Grub is what is used to choose what to boot,.
[21:50] <Deutopia> boot again with the disk but dont install. just sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub
[21:51] <recon_tv> this grub issue seems to be a regular here
[21:52] <Monte_Cristo> ok, I try
[21:52] <Deutopia> or if all that sound hard, just install again but at the disk setup "choose something else" use the big ext4 partition as "/" and the swap as swap and scroll down and make sure grub installs to sda
[21:52] <Deutopia> too slow...
[21:52] <recon_tv> haa, ok, it's the install windows after xubuntu issue
[21:54] <Deutopia> next he is gonna install win 8 n do it all over n end up with 3 bootloaders
[21:57] <Deutopia> gonna b a tidal wzve of that
[21:59] <recon_tv> Deutopia: have you tried $sudo  tasksel for setting up your lamp server?
[22:00] <recon_tv> might be a bit late , but just remembered it
[22:00] <Deutopia> no im just sitting down with a "Sam's" book and starting to learn. (transitioning over from the world of IIS)
[22:01] <recon_tv> Deutopia: fire it up and have a look, all text based so will work over ssh
[22:04] <Deutopia> yeah i need to remove sql
[22:07] <Deutopia> or if all that sound hard, just install again but at the disk setup "choose something else" use the big ext4 partition as "/" and the swap as swap and scroll down and make sure grub installs to sda
[22:08] <Monte_Cristo> nothing... windows starts again
[22:09] <Deutopia> yeah install again. see my last post
[22:09] <Monte_Cristo> I did
[22:10] <Deutopia> you chose "something else" and where did grub install to?
[22:10] <Monte_Cristo> I typed in the terminal of Xubuntu sudo grub-install and sudo update-grub
[22:10] <Monte_Cristo> no
[22:11] <Monte_Cristo> I did not choose where to install grub
[22:11] <Deutopia> no i was saying just install xubuntu all over again. in the wizard under disk setup choose "something else"
[22:11] <Monte_Cristo> again O_O
[22:12] <Deutopia> that would be easier rather than geeking out trying to fix grub
[22:12] <holstein> yeah.. if its a fresh install, the install doesnt take that long
[22:12] <holstein> the link Unit193 linked earlier...
[22:12] <holstein> !grub
[22:12] <Monte_Cristo> However, if I enter the liveusb I can choose whether to start or xubuntu windows
[22:13] <holstein> has information about how to install grub from a live CD/USB
[22:13] <Monte_Cristo> ok
[22:13] <Monte_Cristo> i red that
[22:14] <Monte_Cristo> i don't understand what you mean with something else
[22:15] <recon_tv> Monte_Cristo:  have you actualy installed xubuntu onto your computers HD, or are you just booting from the usb?
[22:15] <Deutopia> when you were installing xubuntu you were presented with 2 options. use the entire disk or "something else"
[22:15] <Monte_Cristo> i installed xubuntu, I also used it!
[22:16] <holstein> Monte_Cristo: sure.. but the disc partitioning step... theres actually an option there "something else"
[22:16] <Monte_Cristo> Deutopia, I've done that, now I remember, I chose something else
[22:16] <holstein> http://imagecdn.maketecheasier.com/2012/08/ubuntu-mac-installation-type.jpg
[22:17] <Monte_Cristo> not entire disk
[22:17] <Deutopia> right. okay in that disk partitioning screen you need to scroll down and make sure the bootloader installs to your primary hard disk
[22:17] <Monte_Cristo> thank you holstein for the photo
[22:19] <Monte_Cristo> initially I had chosen something else, then I changed and I chose the first option! Now try with something else
[22:19] <Monte_Cristo> but
[22:19] <Deutopia> yes. use the big ext4 partition as "/" and swap as swap and scroll down and make sure grub installs to the primary hard disk (the book disk)
[22:20] <recon_tv> Monte_Cristo: and probably should have a back up of all important files
[22:20] <Deutopia> not your USB boot disk  >_<
[22:20] <Monte_Cristo> nel mio pc ci sono già tre partizioni primarie di windows. io devo creare due partizioni per xubuntu, una per il root e l'altra per lo swap. come faccio a creare una partizione estesa? non mi compare l'opzione!
[22:21] <Monte_Cristo> in my pc there are already three primary partitions of windows. I have to create two partitions for xubuntu, one for root and one for swap. how do I create an extended partition?
[22:22] <Deutopia> right click on unallocated space and select New (you may need to resize partitions. have you made backups?)
[22:22] <Monte_Cristo> don't worry, i've done the back up yet
[22:23] <Monte_Cristo> no
[22:23] <Monte_Cristo> I deleted an empty partition of windows
[22:23] <Monte_Cristo> and now
[22:23] <Deutopia> if you already installed xubuntu there should already be a root and swap partition
[22:23] <Monte_Cristo> there are 200 GB of empty space
[22:23] <recon_tv> Deutopia: I dont think he actualy installed ubuntu yet
[22:24] <Monte_Cristo> but when i create a new partition
[22:24] <Deutopia> okay right click on the unused space and create a new 200GB extended partition
[22:24] <recon_tv> Monte_Cristo: use the empty space to create partitions, the swap should be about twice the amount of ram on your pc
[22:25] <Monte_Cristo> there isn't the option extended partition
[22:25] <Deutopia> click on where it says primary
[22:26] <recon_tv> personally I like to put "home" in it's own partition
[22:26] <Monte_Cristo> really? i have red the opposite:with a ram of 1 GB swap space should be equal to or less than 1 GB
[22:26] <Deutopia> you want to give it extra breathing room
[22:26] <Deutopia> even though it'll never get used
[22:28] <Deutopia> you cant hibernate if the swap is smaller than ram (you dont want to any way, suspend it or shut it down)
[22:29] <recon_tv> someday someone will make a simple computer ;)
[22:30] <Monte_Cristo> ok, so... the swap should be larger then the ram..right?
[22:30] <martinphone> aint that called mac nowadays?
[22:30] <recon_tv> thought they where called iphones
[22:31] <Monte_Cristo> thank you
[22:31] <Monte_Cristo> see you later
[22:32] <martinphone> i enjoyed the count
[22:32] <recon_tv> Monte_Cristo: good luck :)
[22:33] <Monte_Cristo> anyway, I think I'll buy a manual to learn how to make the best use of xubuntu
[22:34] <Monte_Cristo> or maybe some online manual
[22:34] <recon_tv> Monte_Cristo: naa, just keep bugging people in IRC
[22:34] <Monte_Cristo> ; - ) see you
[22:34] <Monte_Cristo> eh eh eh
[22:34] <Monte_Cristo> manual living
[22:35] <recon_tv> there is an online manual though
[22:36] <oelsen> hi
[22:37] <oelsen> I want to mount a folder as an iso file that can be delivered over http
[22:37] <oelsen> how do I do that? the files in the folder should be changeable just like files of a normal webserver
[22:38] <oelsen> I don't want to create $file.iso first, It should be generated on the fly
[22:46] <recon_tv> oelsen: sounds like a question for #web
[22:52] <oelsen> thx
[22:53] <oelsen> pointless: /join #web "you are already on the web, dave." :D
[22:56] <v1adimir> lol
[22:58] <Monte_Cristo> I have deleted the two partition of Xubuntu, with an option in windows, to reinstall the operating system and chose 'something else'. But when i boot pc again, from the usblive,, appeared the following inscription: 'error: no such device: 1b4f-4d78-9bfd-5cbfd41f933d: grub rescue> ... so after removing usblive  i reboot the pc : (
[23:00] <holstein> Monte_Cristo: you'll just install xubuntu, and that'll put grub on, after installing xubuntu, then you'll just reboot the system, not the usb stick
[23:00] <Monte_Cristo> i know
[23:01] <Monte_Cristo> I rebooted the system, and that error appeared, without the possibility of continuing
[23:01] <Monte_Cristo> so i removed the usblive, and the error disappeared
[23:01] <holstein> Monte_Cristo: so, whats the problem?
[23:02] <Monte_Cristo> the error disappeared
[23:02] <Monte_Cristo> but windows starts!
[23:02] <Monte_Cristo> not the installation on xubuntu
[23:02] <Monte_Cristo> *of
[23:03] <v1adimir> meh it seems grub's on the usb, that can happen
[23:03] <holstein> Monte_Cristo: i would recover grub from a live CD/USB..
[23:05] <recon_tv> nearly should be a newbissh built into the live usb
[23:05] <Monte_Cristo> Today I give up, but only for today. try again tomorrow
[23:06] <Monte_Cristo> thanks to all, bye!