| zykotick9 | i think "ubuntu-bug <PACKAGE-NAME>" helps no one but canonical... ubuntu is NOT a community distribution (even if it's had that "rap" for a while), ubuntu volunteers are unpaid canonical employees. | 00:40 |
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| IdleOne | which is pretty much what any volunteer for any organization is. | 00:41 |
| IdleOne | our "payment" is the freedom to use the OS as we please | 00:42 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: i doubt "most" volunteer orgainization take/or accept volunteer submissions for core "intellectual property" (i'm useing IP although i hate that word) | 00:43 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: you are NOT "free" to use ubuntu as you please! that is wrong. ubuntu has a ton of non-free software. sorry i gotta point this out - strongly. | 00:44 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: ubuntu's changing/evolving stand on "free" software is very interesting actually... | 00:45 |
| IdleOne | You are free to remove the non-free software | 00:46 |
| IdleOne | nobody forces you to use it. | 00:46 |
| zykotick9 | lol i use it by choice, and it's a personal failing ;) | 00:47 |
| IdleOne | I'm not 100% certain but I don't believe that any non-free software is installed default. | 00:47 |
| IdleOne | zykotick9: I also use some non-free software by choice :) | 00:47 |
| IdleOne | I'm just being devils advocate here | 00:47 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: lol... you must be kidding. drivers/ubuntuone/many more. | 00:47 |
| IdleOne | which drivers? | 00:48 |
| IdleOne | I'll give you ubuntuone :) | 00:48 |
| zykotick9 | do you say ubuntu "comes" with nvidia/ati drivers? | 00:48 |
| IdleOne | it doesn't come with those drivers, it does come with the ability to install them. | 00:49 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: nouveau for nvidia is "free" | 00:49 |
| IdleOne | the choice is left to the user to install or not. | 00:49 |
| zykotick9 | nice - my requirement for an OS - is free and NON-FREE! | 00:49 |
| zykotick9 | ubuntu doesn't meet that standard :( | 00:49 |
| IdleOne | I'm not sure I understand exactly what that standard is. | 00:50 |
| IdleOne | I do understand that the /Ubuntu Community/ is about more than the OS and what drivers it comes with. | 00:51 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: my "requirement" that my OS, be either to be totally free/libre OR non-free. debian and gentoo meet my requirement. | 00:51 |
| IdleOne | zykotick9: I see. I am happy that there is an alternative out there that meets those standards. | 00:51 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: ubuntu was a very cool experience for me! especially running an ubuntu-hour for a while, i met a lot of very cool/interesting people because of it. | 00:52 |
| IdleOne | My standards for choosing which OS I install is the type of people I am likely to meet while using the OS. Unfortunately in other communities I was unable to find the quality of people (I am happy with) to meet those standards | 00:53 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: the reason i still frequent #ubuntu, is because of a genuine desire to "help" people with gnu/linux. i'm most familiar with/the best help with DEB based releases, and #ubuntu has a seemingly never ending stream of new-gnu/linux-users | 00:54 |
| IdleOne | The community appreciates the help you provide :) | 00:54 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: differnt priorites ;). i hear ya. | 00:54 |
| IdleOne | We may not say it often enough though :/ | 00:55 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: no doubt! "ubuntu has been the best community i have ever been apart of" ;) | 00:55 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: i'm "sad" i feel (and should) outside that community now. | 00:56 |
| IdleOne | because you prefer to use debian or gentoo? | 00:57 |
| zykotick9 | because i use debian. i actually swithced from gentoo to ubuntu - very happy i did BTW. | 00:57 |
| IdleOne | You don't have to use Ubuntu to be part of the community, it helps if you do to get your foot in, but like I said it is more than what OS you use. IMHO it is about a way of thinking, wanting to be a part of something that is bigger. | 00:58 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: it's the "wanting to be a part of something that is bigger" that eventually drove me away from ubuntu | 01:00 |
| IdleOne | You don't want to be a part of a larger family? in a sense that what The Ubuntu Community is. | 01:01 |
| IdleOne | I like knowing that no matter where I go in the world I can find someone who is a part of Ubuntu and that I would probably be welcomed into their home. | 01:02 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: ubuntu is a family - but a dysfunctional one, with an over-domineering father (aka BDFL) | 01:02 |
| zykotick9 | that is "cool" about the ubuntu family, it's worldlie-ness ;) | 01:03 |
| IdleOne | Show me a family without dysfunction and I'll show you a family with a really big closet | 01:03 |
| zykotick9 | lol, sorry | 01:03 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: honestly - to sumarize my current feelings about ubuntu. ubuntu was #1 on distrowatch for years, as a user-friendly-debian. since unity, now #3. | 01:04 |
| IdleOne | I don't agree with all the choices Mark has made but those choices are distro-centric and even if they do affect the Community, sometimes negatively, I don't believe mark ever makes any decision lightly | 01:05 |
| zykotick9 | sebsebseb is probably smiling that mageia overtook ubuntu. he's there community-leader or whatever... | 01:06 |
| IdleOne | being in 1st place on a download counter does not make it the best or most popular | 01:07 |
| zykotick9 | agreed. but ubuntu was #1 for years. | 01:07 |
| IdleOne | right, Canonical never pointed to distrowatch to tell the world "Look we are the best!" | 01:08 |
| zykotick9 | the "change" is telling of ubuntu's popularity. | 01:08 |
| IdleOne | btw sebsebseb was active in Ubuntu because he wanted to become "famous" He seeks out the acclaim, that doesn't work in our community. I would go as far as saying that we actively discourage people from trying to be stars. | 01:10 |
| IdleOne | When he saw that his positive work wasn't getting him up the ladder, he started being negative. | 01:11 |
| IdleOne | This is my personal opinion btw. I am talking as IdleOne and not on behalf of Ubuntu or the Community. | 01:12 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: you can speak to me honestly, i'm not going anywhere with the info ;) sebsebseb doesn't impress me much (that wasn't really my point). i was just commenting on a known prior-member, that moved on (i didn't really know any of the history you shared!) | 01:14 |
| IdleOne | I'm not concerned about what I say being read by anyone :) | 01:15 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: "This is my personal opinion btw. I am talking as IdleOne and not on behalf of Ubuntu or the Community. | 01:15 |
| zykotick9 | isn't required with me! swear to god (but i'm a non-believer) | 01:16 |
| IdleOne | The history we share is what I saw from almost 7 years in this community. I saw him become a positive helper in #ubuntu and go to a very unhappy user who was only negative and almost a troll at the end. | 01:16 |
| zykotick9 | of ubuntu people, you rang high on the list ;) | 01:16 |
| zykotick9 | lol - i'm headed in the same direction! lol | 01:17 |
| IdleOne | Well, I hope not, it would be a shame to lose someone so helpful. | 01:18 |
| zykotick9 | i do honestly with people wouldn't use ubuntu. but it is the group of people i can help the most. i don't mention my debian use as much as i can, 'cause i really do want to help people... | 01:18 |
| zykotick9 | s/with/wish/ | 01:19 |
| IdleOne | zykotick9: i think I ring high because I make a lot of noise :P | 01:20 |
| zykotick9 | IdleOne: i don't consider you "noise" ;) that what /ignore is for ;) | 01:21 |
| IdleOne | Thanks :) | 01:21 |
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