[03:24] <krosswindz> I was wondering if someone could help me with a question on packaging for my ppa
[03:25] <krosswindz> i want to build a package for which i want to build-depend on an older version of the package from my ppa rather than a newer version from ubuntu main
[03:25] <krosswindz> I tried to set the version in build depend package foo(= version-bar) then I get an error
[03:26] <krosswindz> "missing build dependencies"
[03:26] <krosswindz> any way I could fix this so that I can build the package with an older version of one of its dependencies
[06:55] <dholbach> good morning
[07:00] <geser> good morning dholbach
[07:00] <dholbach> hi geser
[09:50] <mitya57> dholbach: hi, do you have five minutes for me?
[09:51] <dholbach> mitya57, I'm currently in the middle of fixing a problem I created :)
[09:51] <dholbach> maybe you just explain how I could help and maybe we can figure it out together?
[09:51] <mitya57> ah, I see it on #ubuntu-devel
[09:52] <mitya57> I wanted you to say something good (or bad) about me at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitryShachnev/PPUApplication ...
[09:52] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:52] <mitya57> thanks
[09:52] <dholbach> do you think you could drop me an email about it, so I don't forget?
[09:52] <dholbach> I'm happy to do it!
[09:53] <mitya57> ok, will send now :)
[09:53] <dholbach> awesome, thanks a lot
[13:02] <krosswindz> hi
[13:03] <krosswindz> i was wondering if anybody could help me with a question regarding packaging and ppa
[13:12] <geser> just ask
[13:13] <krosswindz> geser: I am trying to build xbmc 11.0 in my ppa to support nfs using libnfs
[13:14] <krosswindz> The problem being that the version of libnfs in ubuntu repos is new and isnt compatible with xbmc v11.0
[13:14] <krosswindz> I built an older version of libnfs which is comptabile with xbmc in my ppa
[13:15] <krosswindz> I setup the build-depends in the xbmc debian/control file as libnfs-dev (= 1.0.0~git20110902.0804e67)
[13:15] <geser> apt automatically selects the newest version and installs it
[13:15] <krosswindz> is there a way to downgrade or tell apt not to install the newer version
[13:16] <krosswindz> or downgrade to an older version
[13:16] <TheLordOfTime> geser, i have a question, if i enable proposed in a VM to test, apparently it won't "upgrade" a given package's dependencies according to what's needed, unless i specify the version for each.  Any suggestion to get around that and force autoinstall of the deps?
[13:18] <geser> krosswindz: no, you would need to rename that older version to something like libnfs-1.0-dev (and the same with library package itself) so it doesn't collide with the newer version of libnfs
[13:18] <krosswindz> geser: ok thanks for the help
[13:19] <krosswindz> I was hoping one wouldnt have to do it, guess I will have to name it differently
[13:19] <geser> TheLordOfTime: did you try "apt-get install foobar -t ...-proposed"?
[13:20] <marga> Heys.  Long time ago, when Ubuntu was still new and shiny, I remember someone saying that all Debian Developers had automatic (or similar) upload rights to universe.  Is that still the case? Do I have to go through any process to get universe upload rights? (I'm a DD)
[13:20] <TheLordOfTime> geser, no, i'll try that
[13:22] <geser> marga: I don't remember that it was ever the case. But as a DD we trust you to have the needed packaging skills :) and you just need to show knowledge on the Ubuntu-specific processes (mostly about freezes)
[13:22] <marga> geser, ok.  So, is there a process that I need to go through?
[13:25] <geser> marga: I hope the best starting point describing it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers
[13:26] <marga> ok... that looks like a lot of steps :).
[13:26] <geser> in short: show interest in Ubuntu, participate through sponsors, apply for MOTU (or PPU for your maintained packages) at the DMB
[13:29] <marga> Yes, well, I just wanted to update a package that already has a patch in the bug queue... participating through sponsoring kind of loses the purpose.
[13:30] <TheLordOfTime> geser, is there a method to get upload permissions to -proposed for a specific package, or is it the same as Ubuntu Dev procedures?
[13:31] <TheLordOfTime> out of curiosity
[13:31] <TheLordOfTime> btw, that apt-get command works :)
[13:31] <geser> TheLordOfTime: if you have upload permissions for that package, you can also upload to -proposed this package
[13:31] <TheLordOfTime> assuming i don't have upload perms for that package, what's the process?
[13:31] <TheLordOfTime> (yet)
[13:33] <geser> TheLordOfTime: for uploading? go through a sponsor. for getting upload rights? show that you have sufficient skills to manage that package (easily by getting uploads sponsored) and apply for PPU rights
[13:35] <geser> marga: I don't know if the DMB has any shortened process for DDs but I guess they would like to see that you really want to care about your packages in Ubuntu too (and the sponsoring is usually pretty quick and easy)
[14:39] <mitya57> A (stupid?) packaging question:
[14:39] <mitya57> I have two packages (retext and retext-wpgen), and I want to merge them, so that
[14:39] <mitya57> retext-wpgen is removed on upgrade
[14:40] <dholbach> I'll start a hangout-on-air about Ubuntu development in 20 minutes - anyone interested in co-hosting?
[14:40] <mitya57> Is a usual Breaks/Replaces fine for that?
[14:41] <coolbhavi> dholbach, m there!
[14:41] <mitya57> (or there should be something like Provides/Breaks/Replaces)?
[14:41] <dholbach> coolbhavi, cool - I'll invite you when I start it
[14:41] <coolbhavi> sure dholbach
[14:43] <geser> mitya57: Breaks/Replaces should be enough (check the Debian policy manual if you want to be sure)
[14:45] <mitya57> geser: policy section 7.6.2 suggests using Provides/Breaks/Replaces, but for a slightly different case
[14:48] <dholbach> coolbhavi, you might want to join #ubuntuonair for the questions/discussions
[14:48] <coolbhavi> done dholbach
[14:48] <dholbach> perfect
[17:37] <obounaim> I want to become a maintainer of a python package, does anybody interested in helping me?
[18:30] <paultag> anyonw know where jodh hangs out?
[18:31] <stgraber> paultag: #ubuntu-devel mostly
[18:31] <paultag> thanks, stgraber
[18:32] <TheLordOfTime> i assume the process for PPU rights is the same regardless of main or universe?
[18:32] <TheLordOfTime> for applying for PPU*
[19:16] <Laney> yes
[20:52] <jtaylor> anyone familiar with typo3?
[20:53] <jtaylor> I'm planing on syncing 4.15.19 to quantal several sec issues but also 3 bugfix releases
[20:55] <jtaylor> asssuming the upstream changelogs are correct it should not need release team ack, but its still quite large and quite late
[20:55] <jtaylor> opinion?
[20:55] <jtaylor> http://wiki.typo3.org/TYPO3_4.5.1[789]
[21:35] <jtaylor> I'll sync it, the fixes seem worth it