[03:46] <Kavi_> Hi
[03:46] <Kavi_> How to use symmetric multiprocessing in ubuntu
[03:52] <Thanapal> What is Symmetric multiProcessing in ubuntu
[03:52] <ali1234> it just works
[03:53] <Kavi_> How to configure SMP(Symmetric MultiProcessing) in ubuntu
[03:54] <Thanapal> How to configure SMP(Symmetric MultiProcessing) in ubuntu
[03:55] <Azelphur> Kavi_: / Thanapal please drop the clones, and don't spam.
[06:14] <popey> morning
[06:15] <Azelphur> morning :)
[07:23] <daubers> o/
[07:34] <christel> morning lovelies
[08:00] <hoover> morning all
[08:17] <JamesTait> Happy Tuesday, folks! :-D
[08:20]  * AlanBell observes directhex's petition on slashdot
[08:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:29] <AlanBell> morning czajkowski
[08:29] <czajkowski> howdy
[08:30] <christel> lauraaaa
[08:30] <czajkowski> ello christel how's you?
[08:31] <christel> not at all bad! thyself lovely one? :)
[08:33] <czajkowski> not bad
[08:35]  * AlanBell wonders if Laura is coming out to play in Farnham on Saturday
[08:35] <czajkowski> nope fraid not
[08:35] <czajkowski> sorry
[08:44] <christel> :(
[09:02] <Azelphur> I just been watching some of the TV License inspector videos on youtube, it's astounding the amount of harassment they get away with lol
[09:17] <mungojerry> Azelphur, do their vans really work?
[09:17] <Azelphur> mungojerry: nah that's a load of crap from what I hear
[09:18] <Azelphur> it's more the punching people in the face I'm worried about :P
[09:18] <popey> they dont have vans these days
[09:18] <popey> haven't had for years
[09:18] <mungojerry> apprently a tv which receives a OTA signal can be detecetd with a listening device
[09:18] <Azelphur> popey: yea, they have "handheld devices" ;)
[09:18] <popey> some do, most don't
[09:18] <mungojerry> so they just knock on doors onf those people who don't have licences?
[09:18] <popey> basically
[09:19] <popey> they go through the database and send people round
[09:19] <daubers> mungojerry: That used to work with old CRT based TV's, was something to do with the coils
[09:19] <Azelphur> mungojerry: and they are usually really rude and often abusive while doing so, from what I see on youtube
[09:19] <mungojerry> i have a CRT
[09:19] <daubers> You just have to remember that they have no legal right to enter your property without a warrent
[09:19] <mungojerry> but i also have licence
[09:20] <mungojerry> why don't they get the JWs to check , since they knock at my house twice a day on the weekend
[09:20] <Azelphur> daubers: indeed
[09:20] <Azelphur> swear warning, but this is the worst video I found of the inspectors coming knocking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZENQpDgUms
[09:21] <daubers> Azelphur: I got the police to escort one tv licence man out of the student halls because he just walked in to peoples flats
[09:21] <Azelphur> daubers: nice
[09:23] <popey> you're basing your opinion of TVL on one visit from a guy who was videoed by a neighbour back in 2005?
[09:23] <Azelphur> popey: I've actually watched like 20 videos, as I say that was the worst of em
[09:23] <Azelphur> there's lots of more recent ones I've seen where they are really rude and basically say that if you don't answer my questions and let me search your property I'll be back with a warrant
[09:24] <Azelphur> and lots where they outright lie about the laws to try and force a license on you, too
[09:25] <daubers> Yeah, the TV licence people are run by a private company these days. Wouldn't be surprised if they got paid by the number of people they foist a licence onto
[09:25] <Azelphur> daubers: I've read they get £20 commission per sale
[09:26] <Azelphur> daubers: I've read other stuff too like picking on disabled people and stuff, not nice, as I say dunno how they get away with this lol
[09:27] <Azelphur> it's like large scale super harassment
[09:27] <hoover> morning folks
[09:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:30] <popey> i do wonder how many of those people videoing the TVL people actually do have a telly and use it to watch live TV
[09:32]  * daubers has a telly but doesn't watch live TV!
[09:32] <Azelphur> popey: who knows, myself I actually legitimately just don't watch it, where I live now we have a license, I could watch it if I wanted, I just don't. Everything I consume is online
[09:32] <daubers> "But you have an aerial on the side of your house" "But there's no cable connected to it" "Does that matter sir?"
[09:33] <Azelphur> lol
[09:33] <daubers> stupid TV licence people
[09:33] <popey> none of my aerials are connected to anything
[09:33] <popey> 3 on the side of the house
[09:33] <popey> and a dish :)
[09:33] <Azelphur> daubers: yea, there was one that said that he had a TV because he has a satellite dish in the videos I found
[09:33] <daubers> I have 2 and a dish :) Replacing the tallest one with a weather station when I can get hold of a long enough ladder
[09:33] <Azelphur> some of the newer videos are absolutely hilarious though, apparently they've been instructed to run away if your filming them
[09:34] <Azelphur> results in hilarity such as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qxev8L27Lo :p
[09:34] <daubers> Hah! So all I need do now is open the door to them with a camera and they'll stop bothering me?
[09:34] <popey> i recorded some pikeys who came to tarmac my mums drive
[09:34] <Azelphur> daubers: apparently
[09:34] <Azelphur> popey: nice :p
[09:34] <Azelphur> "Oh no, a tripod! *runs*"
[09:36] <popey> wonder what he uses to record constantly
[09:36] <Azelphur> Indeed, seems like a nice setup to have
[09:37] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWjAFykk1MQ&t=0m47s she looks so mad xD
[09:38] <Azelphur> the face she pulls when she sees the phone lol
[09:45] <kirrus> czajkowski: Please stop trying to steal BigRedS ;)
[09:45] <kirrus> We like him quite a lot :)
[09:46] <n1md4> ....and have need for him at the pub!
[09:46] <czajkowski> well pub is always a good reason
[09:49]  * hoover agrees with czajkowski 
[09:49] <hoover> Dang, there goes my focus ;-)
[09:52] <Azelphur> 11am and already yearning for the pub :P
[09:54]  * mattt shakes his head
[09:56] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:10] <mungojerry> Azelphur, just watched those videos
[11:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[11:10] <mungojerry> how rude
[11:10] <Azelphur> indeed
[11:11] <Azelphur> mungojerry: I don't think I linked one with a bunch of threats in it
[11:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!!!!!!!!!!!!! morning :)
[11:11] <mungojerry> i have a no cold callers sign. anyone who wants to visit needs an appointment
[11:12] <mungojerry> i like the man with a fear of tripods though
[11:12] <Azelphur> hehe indeed
[11:12] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GmXU65p7AQ is a good one for lies and threats everywhere
[11:16] <popey> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ostrich-pillow/ostrich-pillow
[11:16] <popey> awesome
[11:17] <Azelphur> popey: I'm sure I've seen stuff like that before
[11:17] <Laney> what a load of crap he talks
[11:17] <Laney> his house is a soverign nation hahaha
[11:17] <Azelphur> Laney: xD
[11:17] <Azelphur> Laney: the inspector is talking an equal amount of crap though :p
[11:18] <Laney> yeah nobody knows what they're going on about
[11:18] <Azelphur> hehe
[11:18] <Azelphur> it's illegal not to have a TV License, true stories.
[11:20] <mungojerry> are they in the employ of the govt, or subcontracted?
[11:20] <mungojerry> why haven't BBC watchdog done a piece on this :P
[11:20] <Azelphur> mungojerry: they are a private company and have no more rights than a salesman
[11:20] <mungojerry> s/govt/bbc
[11:20] <Azelphur> mungojerry: why would BBC watchdog attack themselves? XD
[11:21] <Azelphur> that'd be pointless
[11:22] <mungojerry> exactly
[11:23] <Azelphur> hehe
[11:23] <popey> pretty sure watchdog have done something on this
[11:23] <Azelphur> mungojerry: I also saw a video of an investigator going through some guys computer which was a little worrying :p
[11:23] <davmor2> Azelphur: because they would have to to remain unbias, like when sky news and the sun and news of the world had to report on the phone tapping incident
[11:24] <Azelphur> popey: that would be interesting to see just for the whole self-policingness of it all
[11:24] <Azelphur> davmor2: haha
[11:24] <popey> not self policing
[11:24] <popey> bbc != tvl
[11:25] <Azelphur> tvl are hired and paid for by BBC though
[11:44] <mungojerry> i've switched computer and i still get freezes in my desktop UI while installing packages from USC :S
[11:45] <davmor2> mungojerry: how do you mean freezes?
[11:45] <davmor2> mungojerry: is it something you can record and put in a bug please
[11:45] <mungojerry> mouse doesn't move , windows don't open
[11:46] <mungojerry> davmor2, i'm using cinnamon, so i'll prob need to boot into unity to get better bug support
[11:46] <davmor2> mungojerry: in unity it might not happen
[11:46] <mungojerry> that's true too
[11:47] <davmor2> mungojerry: it could be a bug in cinnamon that is causing it, in which case we are unlikely to fix it unless it is definitely our code causing the issue
[11:47] <mungojerry> of course :)
[11:48] <mungojerry> in which case, i'd also probably try gnome shell to see if it does it there too
[11:53] <mungojerry> the likelihood of the problem being cinnamon is probably quite high :(
[11:55] <davmor2> mungojerry: were you installing more than one app in a single session?  there was a huge memory leak I discovered in precise that has been partially addressed in quantal
[11:56] <mungojerry> i was, yes, however i only just opened the USC app
[11:56] <mungojerry> surely it couldn't bring the machine to it's knees so quickly?
[11:57] <mungojerry> i'll try apt-get next time and see if it's just because of i/o
[11:57] <mungojerry> (i guess it might be)
[11:59] <davmor2> mungojerry: how much memory does the box have and what type of processor, gfx shouldn't matter as it uses gtk so should display happily in 2d and 3d
[12:05] <mungojerry> davmor2, 4GB ram, core i5 processor
[12:06] <mungojerry> when i get some time later i'll try in a different DE
[12:06]  * daubers turns on the heating
[12:07] <davmor2> mungojerry: Oh man I'm on amd quad here 4 gig never seen an issue my laptop is an i3 and that works faster than the amd :D
[13:48] <KungFuPanda> Hi guys, any1 meet this problem ? my system crashed everytime when I first time try to start window 64bit xp image under virtrual box? the whole system freezed, I have to hold the power button to restart, after that I can start the xp then, very annoying.
[13:50] <hoover> KungFuPanda: A colleague is having similar issues with Virtualbox and a centos 6 64bit guest
[13:51] <KungFuPanda> great, so I am not alone, did he find any solutions ?
[13:52] <hoover> no, not yet I'm afraid, I think his system crashes repeatedly so his case is even worse than yours ;-)
[13:53] <KungFuPanda> damn linux, so easy to crash. :P
[13:53] <hoover> I run an xp guest (32bit) on a 64bit centos host without any problems though (sp3)
[13:54] <hoover> have you tried a 32 bit xp?
[13:54] <KungFuPanda> not yet, maybe I should try that,
[13:56]  * mungojerry boggles at the community app showdown results
[13:56] <KungFuPanda> it is not make any sense at all, it only crash on first  time of the  day, after that, no matter how many times I restart the system, it always works fine then, only the first time of the day. :p
[13:57] <ali1234> why is everyone shocked at the app showdown results?
[13:57] <ali1234> you know only about 400 people even voted on it?
[13:58] <ali1234> also, why surprised that an app that returns one of the liked but irritatingly removed features of nautilus would win?
[13:58] <ali1234> this is what's great about open source. idiot developers can take stuff out, and the users can just put it back in
[14:01] <mungojerry> it's a pretty ugly implementation
[14:01] <mungojerry> how do you vote on it? i don't think i saw that
[14:02] <mungojerry> tbh there were too many apps to choose from , so any app that was receommended on reddit/forum would have won
[14:03] <ali1234> i'm just curious what you expected to win
[14:03] <ali1234> if you look at the full results, the winder got 3x the votes of anything else
[14:03] <ali1234> *winner
[14:03] <mungojerry> cuttlefish looked interesting, and lightread is a v good app
[14:04] <ali1234> the problem with lightread and fogger is nobody actually needs that stuff
[14:05] <ali1234> lightread is just a limited RSS reader - we've got hundreds of those
[14:05] <ali1234> and fogger only exists to work around problems with unity's design
[14:06] <ali1234> and cuttlefish is an app to make it easier to change settings, so no surprise that came third
[14:08] <mungojerry> ali1234, no, where's the hundreds of decent rss readers?
[14:08] <ali1234> i never said any of them were decent
[14:08] <mungojerry> liferea is prety much the main one, and it's slow
[14:08] <ali1234> lightread has not improved things at all
[14:08] <mungojerry> lightread is decent
[14:09] <mungojerry> if you use google reader
[14:09] <ali1234> yeah. google reader is completely terrible in every way
[14:09] <mungojerry> i use it every day, where liferea was misbehaving and didn't show certain feeds
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> except it's not
[14:09] <ali1234> lightread being tied to it is basically an automatic fail
[14:09] <mungojerry> i think you're in a bad mood. lightread is v good
[14:09] <ali1234> google reader hides things by design
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it does?
[14:10] <ali1234> you have no control over how many posts it show from each feed
[14:10] <ali1234> it just shows the first 10
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it shows all unread ones.
[14:10] <ali1234> and stuff mysteriously dissappears after you have read it
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> that's good
[14:10] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: that is categorically untrue
[14:10] <ali1234> it shows all the nread ones if the feed has 10 or less items
[14:10] <ali1234> otherwise it just shows the first 10 unread items
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I always use the "All unread items" view.
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> works fine for me..
[14:11] <ali1234> again, that only shows the first 10 unread items from each of your feeds
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> I read it often enough to not hit the problems you're describing
[14:11] <ali1234> for example, if you have a feed which gets about 30 posts per day
[14:11] <ali1234> such as the BBC one
[14:12] <ali1234> or slashdot
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> I don't read those.
[14:12] <ali1234> or pretty much any news blog really
[14:12] <mungojerry> try lightread then
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> Busiest feed I read is ars technica
[14:12] <ali1234> i have tried it
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> and they post throughout the day, so I keep up..
[14:12] <ali1234> i tried it after the showdown ended and the apps were all released
[14:12] <ali1234> and this is what happened
[14:12] <ali1234> all i'm doing is telling you the results of my trial
[14:13] <ali1234> basically lightread is unusable for these feeds
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> and I'm telling you that "doesn't work for you" doesn't mean "doesn't work for anyone"
[14:13] <ali1234> liferea works perfectly however
[14:13] <ali1234> !wfm
[14:19] <mungojerry> ali1234, load lightread and change "max read items" to 50
[14:20] <mungojerry> click refresh, and it will show 50 items in the feed (unread ones)
[14:20] <ali1234> i only just noticed that lightread has google ads plastered all over it
[14:20] <mungojerry> where?
[14:20] <ali1234> maybe it's in the feed actually
[14:21] <mungojerry> do the change i just mentioned and it will fix your problem
[14:21] <mungojerry> of the max messages
[14:21] <ali1234> yeah it is
[14:22] <ali1234> max read items?
[14:22] <ali1234> ok i set it to 50. now  can't close the settings window because the dialog is messed up
[14:24] <ali1234> http://ubuntuone.com/6nMz2gwmuhBP6gHvrLkR1o
[14:24] <ali1234> got to love these html5 apps
[14:27] <ali1234> so in summary this app has a confusing interface that doesn't match the rest of the desktop, is tied to a google account, and doesn't show all of feeds
[14:28] <ali1234> but you know what is even better than using a stand alone rss redaer? just using firefox live bookmarks
[14:28] <ali1234> doesn't suffer from any of these problems, doesn't need you to keep yet another app open all the time...
[14:29] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[14:29] <hoover> hey biggie
[14:29] <bigcalm> Hiya hoover
[14:35] <christel> hiya tinycalm
[14:35] <bigcalm> Hey, it's not my fault. It's just cold today
[14:36]  * bigcalm hugs christel :)
[14:37] <ali1234> hmm actually cuttlefish is genuinely innovative
[14:37] <davmor2> christel: hello
[14:37] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[14:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: hello
[14:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: you just got on or did we not say hello earlier
[14:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: Have an early start and long drive on Thursday, might need reminding of that at the LUG tomorrow
[14:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: just popped on
[14:39] <bigcalm> I am somewhat over worked right now
[14:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: does that mean you won't be at the coworking space?
[14:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: that is quite correct. I did warn you last time :)
[14:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: you probably did me remembering on the other hand is something completely different :D
[14:40] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:42] <christel> heya davmor2 :D
[14:43] <hoover> cheers all
[14:43] <davmor2> hoover: what for :D
[16:44]  * SuperEngineer is now known as "back from sanity break in Dartmouth" & was never known as SuperEngineer|Away] ;)
[16:45] <popey> welcome back SuperEngineer
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> o? thanks
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> took me surprise - nice to be back
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> *me by
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> now I've stopped nom nom boiling over & cleaned up the mess - I'll try that again... thanks popey, much appreciated
[19:26] <mgdm> can anyone recommend a USB wireless adapter? (It's ultimately for a Windows box so compatibility with Ubuntu sadly isn't a huge concern right now...)
[19:30] <Flashtek> mgdm: tp-link stuff generally wors well ime
[19:30] <zleap> hi feisar
[19:30] <zleap> hi Flashtek
[19:31] <mgdm> Flashtek: ta
[19:31] <davmor2> mgdm: ditto on the tplink
[19:32] <Flashtek> sensibly priced also
[19:32] <mgdm> very much so, thanks!
[19:33] <feisar> zleap hi
[19:39] <zleap> hi
[19:46] <popey> mgdm, yes!
[19:46] <popey> mgdm, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Technologies-802-11N-150Mbps-Wireless-Compatible/dp/B0035FVL4G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1347997589&sr=8-2
[19:46] <popey> i have a few of them
[19:46] <mgdm> popey: you really are a font of all kinds of useful info, thanks :)
[19:47] <mgdm> and that looks cool, ta
[19:49] <einonm> Watch out with those though - I've got a similar Edimax nano USB wifi dongle - I think because the antenna is so small, the thing isn't very good at picking up weak wifi.
[19:50]  * bigcalm rumbles in
[19:50] <mgdm> I have the Edimax one, it came with my RPi
[19:50] <mgdm> but I've not had occasion to test it yet
[19:52] <dwatkins> I have the Edimax, there's a neat automated install script linked from here for Debians: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
[19:53] <einonm> Wow. That's a huge script, isn't it?
[19:53] <dwatkins> yeah, works well though
[19:54] <dwatkins> run it before connecting the device, as my Pi failed to boot with it connected
[19:54] <einonm> I think the 8188 driver is a bit new, it probably isn't well supported on a pi kernel yet
[19:57] <einonm> I ended up using a trusty ralink2800 dongle on mine - I think it's one of the longest supported drivers in the kernel.
[20:00] <popey> I've had no issues with that LM device
[20:03] <einonm> cool - the price is certainly good
[20:49] <ali1234> libxrender-dev and libxrender-dev:i386 can't be installed at the same time
[20:52] <ali1234> hmm. fullscreenhack tends to crash these opengl games that insist on drawing over all available monitors
[20:53] <ali1234> i don't understand how these games consistently fail to provide any kind of usable screen resolution setting
[20:53] <ali1234> this one has a resolution setting and the options are "50% - 100%"
[20:53] <ali1234> and changing it makes absolutely no difference at all
[21:41] <brobostigon> nos da everyone sleep well,
[21:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: lo
[21:44] <bigcalm> Evenin mukka
[21:44] <brobostigon> nos da bigcalm
[21:45] <bigcalm> Night brobostigon
[21:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: you still at work too or are you just being social
[21:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: still at work, but trying to be social of sorts at the same time
[21:48] <mgdm> at work this late? :(
[21:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahaha
[21:48] <davmor2> mgdm: Yes too much too do
[21:48] <bigcalm> mgdm: I do this regularly. One of the dangers of working from home
[21:49] <bigcalm> That said, I often stayed at the office until 9/10pm
[21:49] <bigcalm> I live to work
[21:50] <bigcalm> But hopefully it means that I can take Thursday to Sunday off work and not worry about it
[21:50] <mgdm> well, if you get it back then fair enough
[21:52] <bigcalm> Get it back?
[21:53] <mgdm> as in, the time you put in now is time you can then take later
[21:53] <davmor2> mgdm: one of the dangers of fix period releases when there is loads to do at the end
[21:54] <mgdm> sure - but I'm not a believer in letting things get to the point where you're doing work at 11pm
[21:55] <bigcalm> mgdm: I don't get the time back. I'm working in my own time for free. I am an idiot
[21:55] <mgdm> You are
[21:55] <mgdm> you are being taken advantage of
[21:56] <davmor2> mgdm: this is more of a one off,  we had a few things go wrong today and now it's catch up time
[21:56] <bigcalm> Tricky when it's a 2 person company. Pretty much the only way to keep the job
[21:57] <mgdm> davmor2: well, fair enough
[21:57] <mgdm> bigcalm: I've worked for a 3-person company, and i would still not do that without compensation
[21:57] <mgdm> if you're not getting something in return, you are selling yourself short
[21:57] <davmor2> mgdm: but it gets more chaotic as the Ubuntu release goes on
[21:58] <czajkowski> files more bugs
[21:58] <czajkowski> no where near popey level
[21:58] <czajkowski> but getting there
[21:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: no your not
[21:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: you are a rank amateur at bug reporting
[22:00] <davmor2> which reminds me I still have 2 I need to report
[22:00] <czajkowski> :/
[22:01] <mgdm> davmor2: well there's a problem in the release structure, then, that needs resolved
[22:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes, fix it now
[22:03] <popey> sadly stuff landed late
[22:03] <popey> as often happens
[22:03] <davmor2> mgdm: no there is a bunch of stuff that our team can't do till just before beta 2 and then the retest happens just before release so it kinda sucks to be me sometimes :) not the end of the world though it doesn't always happen :)
[22:04] <mgdm> if it often happens, it sounds like a problem; if not, then well, fair enough
[22:05] <czajkowski> where as with me I do my work during the day and my ububntu work in the evening,somtimes during the day I'll find a bug and report it and in theevening I get the odd poke for LP work
[22:06] <bigcalm> I had the choice of working or watching Downton Abbey with Hayley...
[22:06] <mgdm> oh, well, when you put it like that...
[22:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: Today I broke USC on precise and quantal guess what I spent most of the day doing :D
[22:07] <czajkowski> oh today I also lost my desktop and had a mini panic attack and had to pke popey
[22:07] <czajkowski> flip side is every thursday @6pm UTC+1 atm will be 5pm UTC in a few weeks I've a CC meeting
[22:07] <czajkowski> but then other days I dont run away at 6
[22:08] <czajkowski> s there is a bit of give and take
[22:08] <bigcalm> Timezones are a bugger
[22:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: even more so when the rest of the world don't use ours
[22:09] <bigcalm> Yep, everybody should use GMT and be awake at the same time
[22:09]  * bigcalm nods
[22:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed it's only fair we gave the world everything(TM)
[22:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: how dare you be so sidest, what's wrong with rightfield?
[22:27] <popey> i have found episode 1 of the young ones on a vhs tape
[22:29] <davmor2> popey: wow you had worse taste than I remember.......oh wait no I've seen your shirts......you have better taste than I remember :D
[22:29] <davmor2> popey: the young ones was cool but my god has it dated
[22:30] <popey> yeah
[22:33] <popey> actually it's a bit chucklyworthy, but I've seen it so many times
[22:34] <popey> this was recorded off UK Gold
[22:34] <popey> and part way through the programme they have mistakenly played the continuity announcement
[22:34] <popey> remember how we used to record programmes on VHS by the exact start time and end time
[22:39] <popey> davmor2, usc should remember my username/password :(
[22:40] <ahayzen> popey, omg i remember setting up the VHS when i was like 5 lol :)
[22:40] <popey> :)
[22:41] <ahayzen> popey, betamax ftw!
[22:41] <davmor2> popey: you keep saying that and it shouldn't :D it should in quantal now remember your username once you have a stored key,  Ie activated recommendations or installed a previous purchase
[22:43] <davmor2> popey: the unified sso client was meant to happen but precise fixes took up a lot of our time unfortunately, so that might be 13.04 if we are lucky, you'll still have to use your 2f though
[22:43] <popey> :(
[22:43] <popey> makes the whole 'one click buy' a bit of a lie :)
[22:45] <popey> none of the games have appeared in the launcher
[22:46] <ali1234> dustforce appears in gnome panel menu
[22:46] <ali1234> none of the others are even in my USC yet
[22:46] <popey> that one hasn't finished installing for me yet
[22:46] <ali1234> yeah it took ages for me too
[22:46] <popey> shatter and space pirates are installed for me, but no icon
[22:47] <ali1234> still "not found" for both here
[22:47] <ali1234> i left USC running for about 4 hours now
[22:48] <davmor2> popey: I think is it really hit an miss there are some changes in unity that broke it
[22:48] <ali1234> can i firce it to update the sources in a way that i can see what it is doing?
[22:49] <davmor2> ali1234: sudo /usr/share/software-center/update-software-center-agent
[22:49] <davmor2> ali1234: it does it automatically on restart though
[22:49] <ali1234> yeah, well, apparently it doesn't work
[22:50] <davmor2> ali1234: it does you just got in early it does keep retriggering
[22:50] <ali1234> ok that command exited with no output after about 2 seconds, almost as if it did absolutely nothing at all
[22:50] <popey> shatter is a bit funky
[22:51] <popey> and works well on my i7
[22:51] <ali1234> "funky"?
[22:51] <davmor2> ali1234: I'm taking it that you have gone back to the HIB and clicked on the next button right?
[22:51] <ali1234> next button?
[22:51] <directhex> waiting for USC publication of HiB6 games
[22:51] <ali1234> what next button?
[22:51] <davmor2> ali1234: so you clicked on the install button for the first app did you click on the next apps button?
[22:52] <ali1234> you mean the "download for ubuntu" button?
[22:52] <directhex> ali1234, right
[22:52] <davmor2> ali1234: yeap
[22:52] <ali1234> yeah, i clicked on it, then software centre loaded up and said "not found". then i waited 4 hours, closed software center, then clicked the "download for ubuntu" button again, and it still says "not found"
[22:53] <popey> i just pressed back in usc then clicked the game
[22:53] <popey> they're now listed on the front page
[22:53] <popey> it knows you bought them
[22:53] <popey> but obviously did that 4 hours after you
[22:53] <ali1234> yeah, i got the emails about the tokens
[22:53] <ali1234> when i first did this, the SPAZ was not even on that page yet
[22:54] <davmor2> ali1234: if you see the apps on the what's new section you should just be able to install them
[22:54] <ali1234> yeah i see them on the front page
[22:54] <ali1234> so why doesn't the button work?
[22:54] <popey> yeah, spaz wasnt there for me earlier, but I only just clicked to install them
[22:54] <ali1234> There isn’t a software package called “spacepiratesandzombies” in your current software sources.
[22:54] <popey> busy working before :)
[22:55] <ali1234> aaaaah
[22:55] <popey> ooh, dustforce is now in my launcher
[22:55] <popey> doesn't look like it installed the others
[22:55] <ali1234> it's because it needs to be searching for "spacepiratesandzombies:i386" and "shatter:i386"
[22:55] <popey> ahhhhh
[22:55] <ali1234> however, dustforce is just dustforce, so the link works
[22:56] <ali1234> i reported this bug ... several months ago
[22:56] <davmor2> ali1234: it should matter USC should pick up on that grrrrr
[22:56] <ali1234> yeah... it doesn't
[22:56] <davmor2> ali1234: that'll be why the button doesn't work then
[22:56] <ali1234> there's packages in the universe which are broken in the same way
[22:56] <ali1234> for example eagle cad
[22:56] <ali1234> which has only i386 version
[22:56] <ali1234> let me find the bug...
[22:57] <ali1234> bug 999301
[22:57] <directhex> i see one game in USC - Dustforce
[22:57] <davmor2> ali1234: these should all be multiarch so there should be a 64bit package that basically points at the i386 one I wonder if that didn't build hmmmmm
[22:57] <ali1234> this is the exact same bug. eagle can be found if you search, but not if some other app kicks off software center
[22:57] <ali1234> yeah, eagle has no 64 bit wrapper package
[22:58] <davmor2> popey: are you on i386 or amd64?
[22:59] <davmor2> popey: if the answer is 64bit then the reason is the apps are multiarch I've already filed a bug, and unity and USC are currently trying to figure out who's code needs to handle it iirc
[23:01] <popey> yes amd64
[23:01] <popey> nice one
[23:02] <ali1234> btw, is dustforce supposed to run in a tiny window with huge black borders?
[23:02] <davmor2> popey: it took me ages to figure out why some did and some didn't, it didn't help it was the same apps on both i386 and amd 64
[23:04] <bigcalm> Sleep now
[23:04] <directhex> i on;y really care about rochard working, btw :p
[23:05] <directhex> that's the only one i have any reputation staked on
[23:05] <ali1234> yeah?
[23:05] <popey> haha
[23:06] <popey> dustforce runs with a small border on my 1366x768 laptop
[23:06] <ali1234> dustforce is basically super meat boy with sloppy unresponsive controls :(
[23:06] <popey> runs really well
[23:06] <popey> hah
[23:06] <ali1234> and bad level design
[23:06] <popey> i dont think i have played smb properly
[23:06] <ali1234> maybe i'm just doing it wrong
[23:06] <popey> i have it here somewhere
[23:06] <ali1234> it was in 5 as the bonus i think
[23:07] <popey> a hyes
[23:07] <ali1234> my favourite game out of any of them yet
[23:07] <popey> i have kinda ocd downloaded all of them and stuffed them in U1
[23:07] <ali1234> i've installed them all from USC
[23:07] <ali1234> but only played about half
[23:07] <popey> for some i even downloaded osx and win versions too
[23:07] <popey> yeah, i haven't got around to playing them all
[23:07] <directhex> i've actually liked the mono-based games. they've been good. this is convenient for a narative i want to spread :p
[23:07] <ali1234> i've spent more time trying to fix them, than actually playing them though
[23:08] <ali1234> whic are mono except for bastion?
[23:08] <popey> i haven't had a single issue playing any of them
[23:08] <popey> the new unity ones
[23:08] <ali1234> bastion was Ok but the narrator gimmick started getting annoying after about 2/3 of the game
[23:08] <directhex> ali1234,  spacechem; atom zombie smasher; bastion; rochard
[23:08] <ali1234> spacechem bored me to tears :(
[23:08] <directhex> i like spacechem, but it's crazy hard
[23:09] <ali1234> really?
[23:09] <ali1234> i didn't find it challenging... just repetitive and annoying
[23:09] <directhex> it's the first "programming puzzle" game i've enjoyed. y'know, the "guide the robot by programing his path" type puzzles, like microsoft tinker
[23:09] <ali1234> i think it's the difficulty curve... it's too shallow
[23:09] <ali1234> can i skip directly to the hard stuff?
[23:10] <directhex> there's a lot of tutorial to it
[23:10] <ali1234> yeah really
[23:10] <directhex> did you get far enough to build composite reactors?
[23:10] <directhex> i.e. pipe one reactor into another
[23:11] <ali1234> no
[23:12] <ali1234> i dont think so anyway
[23:12] <directhex> yeah, i'd say that's where it starts to really open out. that and the boss stages
[23:12] <ali1234> i guess i'll persevere then :)
[23:12] <ali1234> i tried the android games actually on android too
[23:12] <directhex> one level sees you assembling a nuclear missile
[23:12] <ali1234> touch screen gaming is kind of fail
[23:13] <directhex> i.e. fuel and fissile warhead
[23:13] <directhex> your input is... water
[23:13] <ali1234> world of goo is perfect example... you can't see what your doing because your finger blocks your view
[23:13] <ali1234> it makes the game about 100 times harder
[23:13] <directhex> ali1234, we agree for once! :o
[23:13] <ali1234> however: there was one GREAT game: osmos
[23:13] <ali1234> because you tap on the opposite side of where you want to go
[23:14] <directhex> not big on osmos. can't get into it
[23:14] <ali1234> so this problem is averted
[23:14] <ali1234> it is a kind of slow paced game but they used the touch screen mechanic well
[23:14] <ali1234> i actually prefer it on android to PC
[23:15] <ali1234> it's a perfect game to just pass time while you're waiting for a train or something
[23:15] <directhex> wake me when there's a humble bundle for wp7 ;)
[23:15] <hamitron> you got wp7?
[23:16] <directhex> hamitron, http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/407/
[23:17] <directhex> anyway, wake me when another hib6 game hits the ubuntu software centre
[23:17] <directhex> man, i basically hate being awake
[23:17] <directhex> but [place a lot of permitted waking conditions
[23:17] <hamitron> I like wp7 tbh
[23:18] <ali1234> how do i make grep ignore device nodes?
[23:18] <ali1234> trying to grep firmware source and it keeps hanging on target/fs/dev/random etc
[23:19] <ali1234> ah, -D skip
[23:19] <popey> directhex, have you bought the bundle?
[23:20] <directhex> popey, bien sur!
[23:21] <popey> script curling your usc page, and check for updates
[23:21] <popey> notify-osd yourself a ping when it changes :)
[23:21] <directhex> or "go to bed, then wake up tomorrow"?
[23:21] <popey> pffffffft
[23:21] <popey> "slacker"
[23:21]  * popey goes to bed
[23:21] <ali1234> that's a pretty good idea
[23:34] <ball> I'm starting to think I might try Ubuntu again.